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@Savant
China's actions toward Taiwan. And the world relies on Taiwan for semiconductors.
Well then that effects us if we depend on semiconductors. We should make it clear they get nukes if they make a move. Ukraine though whether it stays or not has zero effect
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Unless I have a good reason to town read bullish, I am okay being the hammer if it comes down to a no lynch.
I don't know that a no lynch is a terrible ideal currently especially since I am struggling to come up with any reads at all. Ultimately I feel useless this game.
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@Savant
Optics matter. If the US does not support Ukraine's defense, it's seen as a less reliable ally.
Who gives a shit? Their view of us literally has zero effect on us
Because Russia has shown an interest in invading other counties, and them allying outwardly with the US does not mean they will stop. It means the US will likely continue to enable them.
From a cost benefit analysis it makes no sense to do that if it risks powerful allies and trade deals.
You are dealing with smart logical people not emotional wersterners who want tampons in meds rooms.
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Just to clarify. I was just joking about bullish earlier. Having a difficult time with developing a read on anyone this game at all
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@Savant
Why wouldn't they want more allies? There is two ways to defeat an enemy and the easiest way is to befriend them.
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@whiteflame
@Moozer325
I was just asking pie how the strengthener would work with my role because I thought it would be great to use it on me but then he told me that it would not do anything for me if it does exist in the game.
So I was going to ask him to use it on me, but then found out it was pointless.
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@Lunatic
Why mharman's claim ? Is that just random?
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@Savant
Yeah because the country currently invading Ukraine would be a trustworthy ally lol. You want to trade all of America's other allies (including the countries bordering the US) for Putin?
What no they can be his allies as well. Yes it's n his best interest to be a good Allie, just do a cost benefit analysis to see why
Do you mean Thucydides Trap?
Yes
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@Savant
Theres no point. We are better off allying with them and removing them as an allie of China so we can escape the Euclidian trap.
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@whiteflame
It may be a good thing you claimed. Give me a minute to confirm
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I can help push whiteflame since a few people ne ruined gut and that's the only way to catch him early.
VTL whiteflame
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@Casey_Risk
. Or they're just binding their time
I am pretty sure it's biding their time asshole. Normally this wouldn't offend me but AI am pretty sure this wasn't caused by autocorrect
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@Savant
Except in this case, there are significant geopolitical consequences to whether Ukraine or Russia wins
If this were true why do the only arguments I hear center around "it's unethical to invade" and not center around the disadvantages to the rest of the free world if Ukraine loses?
I literally only hear please to mortality and none that have anything to do with Realpolitik when I pop on CNN
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Conservatives actually do try to conserve natural resources. It's in the name while liberals use "green policies" to grab more government control and take power from the people
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But anyway, whats the difference? If reducing freedom is a crime which deserves to be punished by death, why would you limit punishment to politicians?
Because they decide policy. People who voted them do not directly determine policy and no I am not running from what I said.
I said those nations have no right to exist and that policy makers are at fault and should be treated as treasonous you than are either retarded and did not know that citizens are not politicians or are acting like a retard.
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How come the American left supports self determination for Canada and not for Crimea?
Because Trump. That's as deep as their thinking goes. They see Trump support something so they do the opposite. The right hated Obama and we gave him our. Full support when he killed Saddam Hussein the left would never do the same.
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Often at least 30% of people support the government. Otherwise, would be very hard to even govern. Not everyone supports "full freedom". Not everyone supports what you support
Since I specified politicians not those that support them your false equivalency fails. It doesn't matter if they are elected. The will of the people doesn't matter. Only right and wrong matter and if you are put in a position where you have the option to protect freedom or protect sovereignty and you choose sovereignty over freedom you deserve a painful death. Even a temporary sacrifice by citizens for long term freedom is evil. Give us liberty or death
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What would that look like?
What I do is imagine that my life depends on being able to argue that position and win against my own position.
I usually email professors who have argued in favor of a position I oppose or I find books they have written and read them and I don't really stop until I understand their position well enough that it creates a ton of doubt in my own. Ideally I disprove my own position and then now that ai hold that position I do the same in another direction.
I haven't done this with every position yet. For example I haven't done a deep dive in the arguments that white privilege is a real problem. Part of the reason is because I expect their best arguments to be ones that take what I understand about Marxism and extrapolate from it and swapping class with identity characteristics. I already did a deep dive on Marxism so it feels like it would be double work, but I don't really drink up white privilege here anyway unless it is in the hopes of finding somebody who can really save me time by breaking down the argument for me.
So whatever you are intuitively against ideally you research the opposite opinion until you are convinced. The issue comes if once you are convinced you don't also attack your current position in the same way.
I will add to this because doing this can disrupt your sense of identity which may be psychologically damaging and my never ending cycle of this may have contributed to my depression. To keep a stable sense of identity through the process it can be useful to hold on to certain values. Maybe you value freedom or logic or your highest value is the good for the greatest amount of people, though that one may be too vague. The point is that if doing this will make you feel suicidal or anything just cling onto one or more values. It's worth risking the depression though by challenging that value first so it remains stronger through the process.
Let's just say there is a reason why true intellectuals such as Neitzsche go mad. It's this ever shifting removal of identity to fully embody the arguments and mindsets of another
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@zedvictor4
and I ask you quite a simple question about the future role of people as fragile limited organisms in a hostile but technologically evolving Universe.
Yes that's how you phrase it in a sensible way. Thanks.
We will do what's known as a Kurzwelian merger to keep pace with computers. We are already in the midst of it by augmenting our memory with not taking apps and the phone, augmenting our ability to comprehend complex topics by having AI break it down for us in an individualized way.
We will keep pace and our world is no less hostile in the future than it is today.
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@zedvictor4
I don't know WTF you are talking about. I just mentioned post quantum E2E encryption
I never mentioned an issue with people but an issue with an action taken by people that could bite them in the ass later
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This seems AI wrutten but it would most likely happen in slow motion. Slowly integrating cancer therapies and then heart strengthening stuff and then it would kind of be like indefinite lifespans creeping up on you.
You would still need faith to cope with death if that is what faith is. You still have to contend with the eventual heat death of the universe but some of the leading causes of death are not age related but murder, suicide, car accidents etc.. if we inject ourselves with nanobots that repair cells as fast as they decay than we have a situation where the average lifespan is still less than 500.
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"All arguments are either emotional or can be refuted"
Followed by a list of arguments that remove all nuance from what people actually argue and leave out many.
Why not argue devils advocate and try to lay out as convincing of an argument for the other side as possible and then once you have done that, attack that argument.
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We are already having post quantum encryption that is available to the average person. So it doesn't seem correct that quantum computing would make encryption pointless.
We do have the issue of people just storing hashed encrypted data and are waiting for technology to improve to decrypt it, but companies should already have moved over to post quantum encryption.
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How am I strawmanning? It could be my tense living situation at home that is accidentally coming off on the screen.
What the fuck would your mood or how you come across have anything to do with whether something is factually a strawman argument or not?
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@Savant
The high ground is relative to who one is fighting, and being above Putin is a low bar.
If you are in the piece of shit bucket that would put you in the same bucket as Putin. If you don't in spirit accept the same principles as the bill of rights than your country is a shit hole and doesn't deserve to exist.
It's silly to sit here and argue "well does a rapist or a serial killer have the moral high ground". I don't care neither have the right to exist and so if one dominates and kills the other it's a good thing because now we are down to one piece of shit
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@TheGreatSunGod
Nations are made by people, and you already said that anyone who restricts freedom should be executed. Not sure why you try to run away from your own words.
Nations are made of all the people in them. Governments are made up of the ruling class and are individuals.
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@iamanabanana
And what happens when that player ends up being a really strong town role?
I don't care. I think ideally we are all vanilla and so is mafia. We shouldn't be leaning on roles.
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If there are less claims on the table and ability to lie than it may be better to push claims on players bad at coming up with fake claims
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@TheGreatSunGod
dont think people who dont have full freedom dont deserve to exist, but thats now going off topic
Nations not people reread it
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@TheGreatSunGod
And from this you draw conclusion that harming civilians isnt a crime?
Correct. It would destroy the purpose of calling something a war crime..the purpose of the category of crime is to punish leaders who would cause unnecessary harm to civilians intentionally.
We don't call Roosevelt a war criminal because there was shortages of sugar in America which harmed civilians . It's retarded and destroys the purpose of the word
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Then you may ask. What about temporary restrictions in freedom. Then you temporarily lose your right to exist and when it comes time to expand freedom, those who restricted it, even if it resulted in saving the country should be executed for treason.
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That's one of the reasons why I find Ukraine disgusting. If you have to end freedom of the press or freedom of religion or pause elections for your survival than it isn't worth surviving. You can live in a shuttle country just as easily with complete surrender at that point and there are only two types of countries free and shit hole and once you slip into the second category degree doesn't matter because you lost the moral highground and reason that justifies your existence at all.
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@Swagnarok
. So the moral ideal that "landmines shouldn't be used in conflicts" must bend in the face of the right to national survival, which is the first law and priority of any nation.
Disagree. I don't understand why national survival is placed so high. A nation should not survive for example if they don't believe in values like free speech or in capitalism. If that means you are completely destroyed by a power who is significantly more fascist because you are unwilling to budge than that is a better result than losing your identity and losing the reason you have a right to exist at all.
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A war crime could be defined as "causing some harm to some civilians", with civilians being those who arent part of military.
Civilians are harmed in every war. This definition is unreasonable.
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@Casey_Risk
Do you think scum would be more likely to push for or against softclaims in this case?
In my opinion they are more likely to sit on the sidelines and just and give support to the narrative that helps them instead of overtly pushing one
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How the fuck have you been here several years and literally every post is still a strawman.
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Reread my pM it mentions my death so definitely dead.
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My character died I assume, otherwise some of. The stuff in my PM makes no sense
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@ILikePie5
“We can do this all day. We got plenty of windows.”
—Grigori Weaver
This is also something Randy Weaver would say.
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@Casey_Risk
Why?
I wasn't prepared for this question
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@Moozer325
It was my first thoughts also, I almost posted the same thing
I haven't played with bullish too much, but what do people make of this post?
thank fuck I'm town cause I wasn't about to do research for this game
I'm genuinely asking, because there are some WIFOM arguments to be made that I'm not nearly advanced enough to see.
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Whoever claims solid Snake I am automatically town reading. Solid Snake was an awesome character and was red pulling niggas even before loose change came out.
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I bought the pre release for this game and never played it. I won a taco bell gold PS4 when they were having that scratch off to win game on their cups or whatever. I wish I never sold it but I was short on rent that month
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@Double_R
And by "they" you're talking about one deranged conservative kid who by all the evidence was motivated by nothing more than a desire to be famous by killing someone famous, and one Vivek/Haley supporter. But tell me more about "they".
There sure are a lot of trump supporters and republicans trying to kill trump. You know those guys firebombing tesla dealerships probably own Tesla stock and love elon musk
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