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@zedvictor4
Because they all want Greenland's natural resources.
So it would be mutually beneficial? Not only would we better secure them but we would create great jobs in the area by building the infrastructure for mineral extraction?
Good for Greenland. I wish I lived there to take advantage of these rare opportunities, we give up resources we never had the capability to extract and develop for security and prosperity. That is actually awesome
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@zedvictor4
Though a 1984 Orwellian style world order does seem to be emerging.
I would be hopeful. Yes free speech did come close to ending in the United States and England is arresting people for wrong think.
Yes many countries are looking to put big brother in charge of more things instead of of the people but some of that seems to be weakening.
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@Swagnarok
Seriously, we'd have to be idiots to pass up on this once in a lifetime opportunity. Our mortal enemy has volunteered to let us bleed them dry without us having to risk our own necks in the process.
It feels sick to trade lives like that. There is two ways to destroy an event. One is to defeat him but another is to become friends.
But the Greenland thing is stupid. We need some kind of intact alliance with Europe if this is to work. Making them pull their own weight is fine, because deep down they know that's what they are supposed to be doing, but imagine if the Canadians stole Alaska from us and then were like "Hey, let's stay allies".
If they did it but it better secured us from threats it seems like a fair trade. Besides, Russian ships and Chinese ships are coming close enough to Greenland to be scary. There is only 50k residents and so is they want to become American so they aren't taken over in a large scale war later on down the road, especially since it would literally have zero impact on any of the residents lives in any way that's even noticable but it creates more world peace, why would Greenland residents oppose it?
Especially if Trump makes an offer like one million dollars to every single resident if they vote yes on joining the United States in the name of securing world peace
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@zedvictor4
That's correct that computers won't work if they aren't working. Great observation
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@zedvictor4
Ah, but is everything resultant of sensory input?
Yes
Aargh.........Is everything a simulation?
Not sure. It's irrelevant to the discussion of free will though
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@Sidewalker
Great rebuttal. You definitely belong on a debate site.
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All of the alien warn us videos are scrubbed from the internet. I found dead YouTube links so yes liberals literally scrubbed some really fun rabbit hole on Aileen Warnhous
Seriously when you guys find cool shit just preserve it offline because no matter who wears the boot it is coming again and it will censor shit that is absolutely retarded to censor. My god why wasn't I archiving shit back then.
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Aileen Warnhous was something I really went down the conspiracy pipeline with. I was a liberal when it happened btw and some of the conspiracy touched on politics.
Her name i felt was a type of hint.
Aileen Warnhous to me seemed to hint at "alien warn us".
Watching her on the stand she was talking about exposing everyone and named Republican politicians including Jeb Bush and she referred to her execution several times as "going up to the mother ship"
So I felt like maybe this bitch is an alien and her people the Bush and Cheney families for example kind of left her out to dry and she was going to expose this whole alien conspiracy and tell us the truth about George Bush finally.
I wish I was joking guys but I also was zooming in on her face. Her features change a ton when she is angry and looks very lizard like. I think the good visa were all scrubbed from the internet when censorship was kicked into overdrive but I will see if I can scrap anything together to give you a crum of the stupid rabbit hole I was in.
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@Casey_Risk
That's fair that she did claim they all raped her, but she was a prostitute and they paid for sex so the claim is silly. I am not sure lunatic is basing his opinion of SKs on the narratives they put out themselves
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Savant said rape was involved Aileen Warnhous wouldn't fit. There was a few female serial killers who were part of teams that did participate in rape. Warnhous was unique because she wasn't part of a duo. Female serial killers are very rare and in most cases where you find them, they are part of a duo because ultimately women are soulless creatures that will just go along with any random shit.
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I thought he was sorting Aileen Warnhous. I will say she didn't exactly commit sex crimes unless you consider prostitution a sex crime. Her murders were mostly financially motivated and. She does appear to have some delusions as well.
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@7000series
Wylted, standing strong like Galileo against the inquisition that is racial inclusivity.
Only when it comes at the cost of truth or meritocracy.
Oh brave Wylted, in a world filled with conniving minorities who twist the narrative for their own selfish gains, bless us with your wisdom, so that we may see clearly again.
On the contrary I think the reasoning is for altruistic reasons, they just happen to be factually incorrect.
Oh Wylted, he who has mastered Fortran, COBOL, and 32-bit assembly.
Well I am white and like the millions of white guys who have, even mastering a programming language wouldn't get me in the history books
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@TheGreatSunGod
The true story is scientific fraud. Science needs creatives and they are essentially big people which is why they value study 18 hours a day over creative work.
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There is a theory and I would say we should ignore the theory known as Thucydides trap. It essentially states that an established global power when faced with a rising power must fight. Foreign policy experts knowing of Thucydides trap are acting and talking as if an evential war with China will happen. WHen Thucydides trap is back tested its accurate less than 75% of the time, but it's part of the reason the United States doesn't tolerate rivals and part of would scares the geezers from the cold war era who still have a major influence in foreign policy.
The Trump team is essentially looking to avoid or win Thucydides trap with the following foreign policy changes. This is how the New World Order will look and you will begin to gradually see more and more shifts that represent this. First the United States will soften it's stance against Russia and split them from China by making us better economic partners than the CHinese. Notice the Russians still have some petty border disputes with China as well that get swept under the rug so there is some unnamed tension there.
The United States will secure Greenland and cut off the Chinese ships that appear way to close to the coast. The Canadians also aren't doing much to scare off Chinese "drive bys" Which is why Trump is considering how he could either acquire Canada or get them to beef up security. The Panama Canal was recently removed of Chinese companies and replaced with ones loyal to the United States.
We are also going to hand off a lot of global security to the Europeans, while we personally will soften our stance on Russia the Europeans will slowly start to rearm so invest in american Arms companies since they will be forced to buy from us. Essentially America will merely exist to counter the Chinese and The Europeans will exist solely to counter Russia. Since the Chinese and Russia also have their hands in the middle east you can expect to see the Europeans help Americans and Israelis more in that region as well.
So that's the new world order and how Trump will get rid of cold war politics and prevent Thucydide's trap.
TLDR
China < United STates
Russia < Europeans
Middle east/ Africa < Europe, United States Israel
south/Latin America < United States
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@Sidewalker
You forgot the Jews, you need to disparage Jewish scientists too.
I just lumped them in with whites knowing they would be uncomfortable with that and having whites take credit for their work. I think I even called Einstein white to downplay Jewish contributions so you're welcome.
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@Sidewalker
Consciousness has causal influence due to its content, not solely because of the physical aspects of its neural correlates. A continuous conscious state includes desires or intentions
those desires and intents are a result of your brain correct? A brain made of atoms and electrical impulses and subatomic laws and behavior out of your control. If it's true you can control these electrical influences, atoms and subatomic particles, I want you to do me a favor and conduct an experiment to prove it. change the atoms in your brain around to force yourself to believe you are actually marilyn Monroe. WHen you do that, I want you to control the signals involuntarily received in your brain to literally change your vision around so you see all modern cars as 1950s cars. You have free will. This means you can control the interpretation of signals and the atoms and subatomic particles that make up your brain and thoughts. SO please prove you have this free will.
You believe in science, lets test your claim. My claim has already been tested by science and we already know that the brain is not made up of magic free will stuff but of atoms, electrical impulses, chemicals and subatomic particles
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@TheGreatSunGod
You are like that bully in school who mocked others for having worse grades than him. I may be stupid, but its not really my choice, in the same way smart people didnt choose to be smart but just got it as free gift.
I only mocked the A students who scored lower than me on state or federal exams such as the SAT. So I limited it to people who wanted to prove or prided themselves on being smart. I never mocked retards. I would have been cool with you in school
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@7000series
Are you arguing that Black Women have made many contributions to science, and also that each contribution is not impressive as the media makes it seem? Please clarify.
I am argue about women and blacks having their contributions puffed up. the real science is in creative work. Stuff Darwin did or Galileo and it's those type of creative scientists who hired women mostly to essentially be meat computers. So like staring at a small region of the sky to document stars spotted, time of day etc. Clearly the people doing that work contributed otherwise they wouldn't have been employed to do it. They contributed in the way a mule may contribute to tilling the land, but we don't give the mule the same recognition for the crops as the farmer.
The names listed for example were meat computers who made no or very little creative efforts in science. Sorting things into categories was their main work for many. You could essentially swipe them for other randos, where as that's not going to happen if you swap the creatives like Einstein or Nicolai Tesla.
Wylted, it's a smart idea keeping this Lpinion ( loser + opinion ) on DebateArt
I don't know what this means but if it's a criticism of attacking sacred cows, I don't care.
I am honestly confused by this Wyant ( Wylted + rant ).
What's with you combining words like this? it's odd
You say "The black invention rabbit hole is not one I want to jump into right now", but that implies that the rabbit-hole is big, and that there are many black inventions to ?disprove?
Correct. There are many inventions blacks get credit for that are just plainly and obviously false but they get repeated often, such as George Washington Carver inventing peanut butter. They honestly trick a lot of people into thinking that Carver invented mashing peanuts into a paste. It's just dumb.
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I feel uncomfortable continually piggy backing off of whiteflame but whatever
unvote VTL SAVANT
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@whiteflame
LOL I get it
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@whiteflame
as a scientist please give your opinion on the political motivation to overstate the contributions of blacks and women in science and technology.
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Throughout history there have supposedly been women and African Americans credited with scientific discoveries and inventions. The black invention rabbit hole is not one I want to jump into right now, but it has ridiculous claims of inventing stuff like peanut butter and is full of lies as well.
Women and African Americans weren't intelligent or creative enough to actually contribute to science, so what often happened was that they were treated as a type of #meat-computer . We didn't have actual computers or the computers were lacking a lot of the time, so when you hear of a woman discovering a star, it's because a real scientist hired her to stare at a 10 inch region of the sky for 8 hours a day and take notes of everything she saw. It was just rote monkey work. Similarly when you see of African American women in movies such as "hidden figures", they were essentially just meat computers that did the boring tasks while actual white men made the real science happen. Here is a list of meat computers that you will often see given credit as being great scientists.
Henrietta Swan Leavitt – Discovered the period-luminosity relationship of Cepheid variable stars, which became essential for measuring cosmic distances.
Annie Jump Cannon – Developed the Harvard Classification System (O, B, A, F, G, K, M) still used to classify stars by temperature.
Williamina Fleming – Discovered the Horsehead Nebula and classified thousands of stars while working at Harvard Observatory.
Katherine Johnson – Mathematician at NASA who calculated trajectories for the Mercury and Apollo missions, including Apollo 11's moon landing.
Dorothy Vaughan – Became NASA’s first Black female supervisor and taught herself and her team FORTRAN to transition from human to digital computing.
Mary Jackson – NASA’s first Black female engineer who worked on aerodynamics and advocated for women and minorities in STEM.
Joan Clarke – Worked at Bletchley Park as a codebreaker, helping decipher the German Enigma code alongside Alan Turing.
Beatrice “Tilly” Shilling – British mathematician and engineer who developed a fix for the Rolls-Royce Merlin engine used in WWII fighter planes.
Raye Montague – The first person to design a naval ship by computer, breaking racial and gender barriers in the U.S. Navy.
Grace Hopper – Developed the first compiler for a programming language and was instrumental in the creation of COBOL.
Black Human Computers
Christine Darden – NASA mathematician and aerospace engineer who became an expert in supersonic flight and sonic boom prediction.
Annie Easley – NASA mathematician and computer scientist who developed software for rocket propulsion systems, including the Centaur upper-stage rocket.
Euphemia Lofton Haynes – The first Black woman to earn a Ph.D. in mathematics in the U.S., later working to improve math education.
Melba Roy Mouton – Led NASA’s computing division that calculated satellite trajectories for Echo, Apollo, and early communications satellites.
Miriam Mann – One of NASA’s earliest Black human computers who worked to remove segregation signs in the Langley computing office.
Dorothy Hoover – NASA mathematician who contributed to aerodynamic and flight research during the early space program.
Gloria R. Champine – NASA human computer who worked on calculations for spaceflight trajectories.
Mary Winston Jackson – NASA aerospace engineer who helped improve spacecraft aerodynamics and pushed for diversity in the workplace.
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I don't like how he decides to claim early though. Is there any other reason besides psuedo confirmation?
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@Vader
You wanna vote for yourself so we can verify you?
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Let's all name serial Killers that were actually good people. I will go first
1. Christopher Dorner (no cooling off period but still an all around good guy)
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@TheGreatSunGod
That video was boring as fuck. I applaud you
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actually no I got the green river killer mixed up with somebody else
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or maybe vader is the scum and pie balances it with double votes
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@Casey_Risk
Popular can balance out Double Voter. Idk if that means Pie is scum, however.
I don't think both pies would be scum just one and I know everyone is like "but how would that work". Obviously the scum pie is not aware of his scum partner otherwise it would interfere with town pie playing to his wincon. If I was Pie and scum I would NK myself to just simplify the game and because I would see myself as a threat to myself
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@That2User
Hope my softing makes sense
the kills in isolation I don't get because I just assume all SKs kill in isolation. I do think I know your role or what I would make your role if I was Lunatic, but that's between me and you.
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1.Whiteflame- movie (dahmer maybe if so it's a new category of sex crime, consensual gay sex prior to murder)
2. Casey_risk
3. Austin- Ed Geins (a sweetheart who just missed his mother and never ever fucked a dead body or raped anyone)
4. Bullish- rapist, victims are male. John Wayne Gacy
5. iLikePie5 (1) (rapes involved)
6. ILikePie5 (2) (somehow rapes so unique it would be a giveaway?)
7. Supadudz- ted Bundy rapes prior to death and kills when during anal at the precise moment prior to release some necrophilia involved
8. Savant
9. Wylted- rapes separate from murders (but some necrophilia involved maybe)
10. That2User - Green River killer (Necrophile?)
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Would a popular be a balance to a double voter which pie essentially is and if so does that mean 50/50 chance of scum between pie and vader?
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@TheGreatSunGod
I used your thread as an example on how to create better threads to get a better conversation out of the topics you are interested in.
It was inspired by this thread. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12516-free-will-doesnt-exist
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Here is why I made this thread? It's a video giving advice on how to improve low quality threads. Boring video but it goes through the process of expanding on an ideal and making it worth interacting with so you get better responses
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The concept of freewill has been around since at least ancient Greece when Socrates and Aristotle were exploring the role of moral responsibility. Since then it has spread through or been explored in other areas of philosophy such as with Judeo Christian values or through the enlightenment.
The illusion or belief in free will has been used to put moral responsibility on the shoulders of the individual. However despite the usefulness of this belief at placing blame on the individual, we can know that it's merely a convenient lie.
So far the theory hasn't been proved, its merely been used as an a priori assumption.
# the evidence against freewill
Our beliefs are formed by sensations from the outside world, we are devices that do not control our input, and if we get down to the cellular level, we don't control the electrical impulses in our brain nor do we control prior conditioning and the chemical processes that control our thoughts, which control our actions. We simply do not have the freewill because we are essentially meat computers.
# Common Rebuttals
- **Compatibilism**: Even if determinism is true, we can still have free will as long as our actions align with our desires and intentions, even if those desires are influenced by prior causes
This isn't a rebuttal. It's semantics, it's attempting to change the common definition of free will. There might be good reasons to use free will as a social construct, but it wouldn't change the fact that it's a fiction.
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- **Quantum Mechanics**: Some argue that quantum indeterminacy (randomness at the subatomic level) allows for free will, suggesting that not everything is determined by prior events.
This is trying to state that randomness is free will, but we have no reason to believe that we have any control of this randomness that appears at the subatomic level.
- **Moral Responsibility**: If we didn't have free will, we couldn't be held morally accountable for our actions, which would undermine systems of justice and personal accountability.
We are talking about the truth value here. This rebuttal is off topic unless you are operating with a different definition of truth than what is normally used.
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Unvote VTL that 2
I think he is the only infrequent poster who hasn't given us anything to go on so will support whiteflame here
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@cristo71
I think the mythos I referred to actually covers some of that. I would add to your first point.
People are basically good.
This is where having Christianity as a huge cultural influence is needed, because Christians realize we are all born evil and tainted with original sin and that or efforts need to be directed at overcoming the fact we are naturally evil.
We know it's not society at fault but our very nature and that we can strive to be good but will always fall short.
The point the mythos doesn't cover is maybe worth reading out.
“We are more advanced/enlightened than that.”
Its just arrogance. We have tens of thousands of years to observe human nature and see what type of social structures actually work and no you arrogant liberal you are not smarter than the 2o thousand years of cumulative experience and trial and error of your ancestors.
Feminesm has been tried in the past and failed to make women happy or society better. Non monagomous relationship always ends up with the older rich guys hoarding the women and civil unrest happening.
You are not more enlightened just because you fail to be able to tackle uncomfortable truths as well as your ancestors did.
However I do thank you for ending your bloodline through abortions and gender reassignment surgery. This voluntary eugenics program while bad for you at least keeps this poison from spreading too far too fast.
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@whiteflame
Can you ban this retard. Now he is just posting links to articles and straight up spamming
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@Casey_Risk
I wanted you to help pressure him but not under false pretenses.
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I want more information from Austin as well but I was lightly trolling. While Ed Geins is not technically a serial killer he is still going to top a lot of top 10 serial killer lists.
I think it's the creep factor with him, while he killed less people he did actually make furniture from human bones he dug up and stuff like that.
For a lot of people that hear the word serial killer, Ed Gein will be one of the first names that comes to mind.
I actually am thinking about flipping to Savant due to how lackadaisical he is in where his vote goes. It seems a bit Austin but I want more information from Austin before we go that route
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I will correct one thing. Ed Geins is well known. The Texas chainsaw massacre is based off of him as is psycho and silence of the lambs. I would expect if lunatic wasn't using Google and going from memory Ed Geins would be one of the first 3 or 4 that came to mind. Perhaps Casey is Gen z and so he would seem obscure to her.
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Only about 60% of serial killers are also are sexual deviants according to some AIs
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@Casey_Risk
I think we should explore it. We have two non rapist non necrophiles and Austin technically is not a serial killer so I would like to test the theory by executing him the way he executed those two women. He did use a noose on his second victim I believe.
There may be other splits but this is the one I am focused on but I will do some research to see if the majority of SKs do sex crimes and try to consider it as a coincidence
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Anybody who has not committed sex crimes pipe in right now because we have 2 people who seem to think they can get away with being freaks who murder for fun with zero. I mean zero sexual gratification
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@Casey_Risk
If you aren't a rapist or a necrophile than I have a fucking issue with you and it's personal.
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