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Death Copes by JoeBob
There is a common misconception I run into, where people seem to think those afraid of death or dying, are scared because they believe it to be painful. I find this odd.
I don't think these people are saying this because they lack a fear of death. They say it because they are coping, and have repressed their own fears. I say they are coping because I don't want to believe they are so stupid that they just don't grasp the concept of death.
Pain sucks. Pain is bad. Some people will try to escape pain through death. However it isn't the pain that is feared, especially when we consider the positivity bias. Most people likely think their death will be painless and yet fear it anyway.
The real fear people have is of non existence. The seizing to exist is what gets us. We want to live and even though most of us realize that living is about pain management and that sometimes pain can be so unbearable that we seek death, Nobody wants to seize existing unless they have developed a cope where they believe death is like falling asleep or like being in darkness or unless they believe in an afterlife.
Now this isn't to say that death copes are inherently bad. They are bad if they cause us to forsake happiness in this life for an eternal bliss in the next. . I also believe that there are some people who take use death copes to do horrible crimes, for example how John List thought he was sparing his life pain and sending them to heaven. He allowed his death cope to be so believable that he actually thought he was helping his family. You can see this link to see why certain things many consider death copes are compatible with radical life extension. [[Christianity's compatability with radical life extension]] . It can also be said that it is possible that there are two types of christians, those using it as a death cope, and those that are using it to grow closer to God.
#fear
#Fearofdeath
#radicallifeexetension
#deathcope
#Nonexistence
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Dead Mafia
Joebob-
Role- 1 phantom upon death haunts a town role dictating how their ability is used.
Role 2 role cop can determine a players role once per night
Character Death Copes
Dead Town
essays to be found in new character thread coming shortly after this
Vader-
Role- blackpilled. Every single day you get 3 or more votes on you, well you don't like rejection and people who get sex have to pay, so you gain a vig use to use any NP. You can collect a new vig power every DP.
Character- Are Incel's right?
Anabanana-
role-town insurgent. Upon your death you can pick a person to kill in revenge.
Character- "the Hamas vs Israel debate"
Casey-
Role - Casey you win with town. Your character is "activism is easy". Your role is activist. Once per game you can stop a lynch and force the DP to restart. That player becomes unlynchable. Your diary entry follows in the next post
character- The activist
Dead Third party
Earth-
role- remove posthumously
character- How People Handle Evil.
Owen
Role- evil cookie giver
original role- Universal backup
character- 2 reasons to become Tranny
Remaining players
1. Greyparrot
2. lunatic
3. Pie
4. Mharman
5. Austin
6. Barney
7. Whiteflame
8. Savant
With 8 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch, the dp is 72 hours long
Joebob's essay will be posted by the time most of you see this thread.
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I am blocking you. Yes I have called you a retard and a pedophile but AI have never sunk so low as to call you a fed.
Jesus fucking Christ. You have to be a troll. You can't literally think "well we weren't genocided so that is a victory"
It's like somebody losing a football game. "We got some points on the board so really they lost because they didn't shut us out"
This level of brainwashing takes serious work
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@Yassine
No obviously not. No fed says the word nigger as much as I do
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@Yassine
Do you worship Israel or are you just a fed? –
If I hate them and tell you they won than it really should show you, your level of delusion.
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Votecount
(5/5) Joebob- lunatic, mharman, pie, greyparrot
(5/5) Joebob- lunatic, mharman, pie, greyparrot
joebob was Guilty please submit night actions
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@fauxlaw
I just realized with your name being what it is, perhaps you have special knowledge of what's being argued in OP
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@Sidewalker
I Actually have not admitted that Trump was anything less than the Messiah in this post. Nice try
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@Barney
Hopefully from adults who engage in debate, instead of adult sized children who engage in vandalism
If this is referring to the single contributionai made, I apologize. My technique in writing is often the "snowflake" technique. I create a sentence, expand it into a paragraph etc.
I was also testing if it would let me contribute and was shocked it requires no log in or verification or even seemingly approval of the change.
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@Best.Korea
That's a fair argument. The thread is more about using a portion of the woke movement to pinpoint the last American revolution for broader context into the argument that "might makes right" when it comes to the law and not to document changes to the movement.
I do appreciate you bringing some nuance to the discussion for anybody who overly focused on that point though.
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@Best.Korea
It's more about how they crafted the LGBT movement to use it for their own purposes.
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# Sovereign Citizens
It's always bothered me for years that sovereign citizens could be right. At least some faction of them. For those who don't know what a sovereign citizen is than here is a funny video to give you the gist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NZh8obqalk For a more in depth look at the origins of the movement you can watch the following video https://youtu.be/EpQEslytUlo?si=ZPtWuG1XkOACbtON
While the movement is criticized because it doesn't usually work and because it violates so much about what we all know about the law, what's usually ignored is whether or not the are right. They are just ignored because it's so wildly different than what we understand. Perhaps we really are or should technically be under some various British Laws or early laws before the 1800s. Maybe its the ignorance of modern court systems that prevent us from being under the jurisdiction of those laws.
I don't think it's ignorance of the true law at play. I don't think the sovereign citizens are right either. The more important question is. What if they are right? What makes a law right at all? If I am on former Cherokee land, why are their laws no longer valid? Why are the new laws correct?
I won't dig too into the weeds with that and I assume many of you have already figured out the answer to what's valid anyway, but that urge to acknowledge it is going to create cognitive dissonance for most. Also, What the hell does any of this have to do with Donald Trump who recently quoted Napoleon "He who saves his country has broken no law". https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1890831570535055759?mx=2
# The articles of Confederation
The articles of confederation were the original law of the land for the United States. https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/articles-of-confederation
Were we breaking the law by ignoring British laws and setting up our own government. I think you all can already sense what makes a law real. That is the power and will to enforce the law. We were going to make the British die if they wanted to enforce their laws and American Citizens were willing to die to enforce theirs. Who was right? Who ever was better at violence was right. The Americans cared as much about British law as the British cared about the laws of native Americans and those laws being unwritten doesn't make them any less real.
The articles of confederation is what joined the states under a federal law. Part of the articles was the law that there should be no standing army in times of peace. Many considered this weak, but its what the founders of the United States wanted. We had a law of the land.
However, what makes a law real? That's right. Whoever is better and more willing to engage in violence to protect their ideal of the law are the ones right about the law. might is right. In 1781 a secret meeting had occurred. Curtains were shuttered, oaths were taken and the articles of confederation were replaced with the constitution by force against the wishes or even votes of anyone outside of a select few. Now the United States had 3 branches of government and the right to form standing armies.
# The 5 revolutions
People often praise the stability of the American system. We had the same system since 1776. It's literally the same government. No successful revolutions. It either comes from liberals who see the parts of the system they like as valid and it comes from conservatives that see us as having deviated from the "real system" and have some mythical view of the perfect republic from the 1950s. (barring the racial stuff).
It's not really true. We already covered the first revolt where the articles of confederation were used as toilet paper, but the stability of the government is an illusion. The 2nd revolution came when Abraham Lincoln remade the government. in his image. We won't talk about the 3rd one. The fourth revolt is when FDR created to form the administrative state so he could extend his influence to everything and a lot of this administrative state still stands.
The latest revolt (Ignoring the 2025 one), came about in the 60s. Where we have the first social justice warriors who pretended to be sane in order to fool normies. The normies were so fooled that Barry Goldwater became the biggest loser the Republicans ever had. Without going into some of the most insane shit that happened in the 60s/70s from this revolt you can currently look at speeches of black leaders praising a black woman who shot up a bunch of white coworkers by saying she wasn't targeting individuals but the system. It's literally word for word the same rhetoric used to defend many disgusting things today.
The 60's/70s is also where you can see the seeds of other identity movements such as the modern LGBTQ movement which was literally founded by strong proponents of pedophiles. These facts are not unknown to academics in queer history, it's literally in their curriculum. The history of all this is for a different post. The point is that these revolutions exist and at the end, a radical new understanding of the laws come about. Prior we didn't know that it was okay for a president to force integration of schools at gun point. Which begs the question, of what other changes can he impose on states at gun point?
The constitution is written in such a way where you can interpret it in whatever ways you feel like, which is what allows these revolutions or allows them to fit within the single country narrative. It is also what allows liberals lately to think the words in the 2nd amendment "Shall not be infringed" means "shall be infringed" or why attacks on the first amendment are so popular. It's because we really can nit pick about different words and make it mean whatever we want. It's not the constitution that creates laws, its judges who get to interpret it however they feel like.
# What's this have to do with Trump
As we can see. The correct interpretation of the law is the one which is backed up by violence. Trump has the police, military and the Americans who believe in the 2nd amendment on his side. He has the judges that matter on his side, and as we have seen might means right. It is quite literally true that "He who saves his country has not broken any law". You might not like it, but he can have a third term if he wants. Unfortunately for you he probably doesn't want one and JD Vance has been given the torch.
All the arguments about what the law says coming from the left who only just now cares about law, is as impotent as when sovereign citizens screech. The laws do not depend by what is written on paper, they depend on violence.
This is the same reason the law supported a preponderance of evidence for a rape that occurred 30 years ago for 5 minutes in a random department store. Now think of this from a non political standpoint for a second. How would you get a preponderance of evidence for a 5 minute event 30 years prior that was never reported at the time and wasn't caught on film? Whether Trump is guilty or not, than you know that evidence would be impossible to come across. What really mattered was the court that prosecuted him had more resources to inflict violence on him at the time than he had to inflict on them.
The law is an illusion and you get to choose your illusion if you have the might to back it up.
#sovereign-citizen #law #constitution #Trrump #might-is-right
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@Yassine
Today, however, every Arab nation including those who normalized relations with Israel & are antagonistic to Hamas (like the UAE) are calling for the 2 State Solution. – This deals yet another huge blow to Israel's Zionist project. Israel lost on all fronts, save against some real tough rubble & kids.
Israel always works out deals for 2 state solutions that get rejected with pleas of 'from the river to the sea"
400 billion dollars of military funding, 2 million troops & dozens of empty stockpiles, +1700 sanctions on Russia... just to end with losing a quarter of Ukraine. I wonder how the US will fare against a country like China that produces 400x more military grade ships than the US a year & 15x steel & 30x concrete...
That's Ukraine not the United states. Also China? They literally have building collapsing due to poor construction. They have their own brand of electric vehicles which keep catching fire.
Outside of a few major cities life is like the 17th century or worse and in the cities it's only a select few who live well. It's not a nation that's good for much other than providing cheap labor. If you want to buy the hype they make good ships go for it. Certainly we"ll lie to the American public and claim they do here as well when we need Congress to approve budget increases
because your Christian countries can only survive by crushing by any means possible any hope of nation building in the world. But hey, now that the US was kicked out from Afghanistan by the Taliban, it has become one of the fastest growing economies in the world.
I think the whole world benefits when a nation drops their backwards thinking and starts becoming productive and providing a good life for their citizens.
But hey, now that the US was kicked out from Afghanistan by the Taliban, it has become one of the fastest growing economies in the world.
That's silly, there was a withdrawal from Afghanistan because we want to become more isolationist. The people we left in charge of the country let the Taliban take over. That didn't happen under US occupation.
You are lying about the state of the economy and I think the Taliban are doing some good things like banning baka bazi and the opium production, but the economy was only doing good because of the opium and they aren't intelligent enough to build factories or anything so they won't develop.
Take a tour downtown San Fran. As it happens, these countries have a +3000 years of recorded history. & each gave rise to several great empires lasting centuries before your country even existed
We are trying to remove California from America also it's LA that's the shit hole Sandransisco Isn't so bad.
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Whiteflame confirms the "conspiracy" in post 217 as well where he admits he undergoes blood transfusions with Peter Theil.
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@Mharman
There is a conspiracy theory that billionaires are obtaining blood from the young in a shady way to try and make themselves live longer
Not a conspiracy theory buck
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I am going to go ahead and cancel this portion of the game given the low interest in it. So just stop posting.
The cookie giver role was just about creating alliances for an afterlife scum team. Who would be called demons and the purgatory night less game was supposed to happen upon the cookie givers death.
Thank you for participating in the experiment and I think I learned something about attempting a mechanic like this one.
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Diary character thread
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12399-diary-characters-thread
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@Vader
@iamanabanana
see above post and enjoy purgatory also no talking about the other mafia game occuring simultaneously outside of widely known information and no speculating about who is scum or town in that game in this thread
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@Earth
@Casey_Risk
@Owen_T
If you have not been informed of being a demon than you are an angel and your job is to lynch every demon so you may ascend to heavan.
With 5 players in purgatory it takes 3 to lynch . This is nightless so the DP is infinite and now speculation on the cookies and what they mean may occur.
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Israel's suspicious activity during 9/11 by Savant
The dancing Israeli’s refers to an incident that happened on 9/11, just prior to and after the attack on the twin towers. Here is a summary of how these men were discovered after the attacks.
> _A Mossad "surveillance team" made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11._
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> _The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers._
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> _Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (HA'ARETZ 9/17/01)_
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> _"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness._
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> _[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (_[_AP and GI_](http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/dancing4.htm)_)_
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> _Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact. Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (Yediot America 11/2/01)_
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> _The FBI sent out an alert to area cops, reading: "Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack . . . Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion." (_[_New York Post_](http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/dancing6.htm)_)_
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> _"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (_[_The Record N.J. News_](http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/dancing5.htm)_)_
These men were arrested and held for about 6 months. At least 2 of them were discovered to be Mossad agents (Israeli spies). They originally just claimed to be tourists, until Israel begged for their release. [http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44477.htm](http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44477.htm)
Later on an Israeli talkshow, when they were asked why they came to the United States, they said they came to document 9/11, which means they must have had knowledge it was going to happen. [http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/06/Israel/spies7.html](http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/06/Israel/spies7.html)
Pictures of the dancing Israelis can be found here after a foia release. Conveniently their faces are erased from the photos, so we can’t see the happy expressions witnesses mentioned. [https://dancingisraelis.com/](https://dancingisraelis.com/)
Why would Mossad agents be parked close by watching the twin towers and celebrating after the attack. Why would they tell reporters that they were there to document 9/11? Why did they refuse to say if they were on a mission from Mossad and what it was, after asked by American interviewers?
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Employees of the Israeli owned instant messaging company [Odigo received texts](https://www.haaretz.com/1.5410231) warning of an imminent attack on the Twin Towers two hours before the attacks happened. A secure service used by Mossad. Who in Israel knew of the attacks 2 hours prior?
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Israel literally warned the U.S. of imminent attacks. It’s true. The biggest reason we know they had foreknowledge is because they quite literally warned the United States government about an impending attack on the twin towers.
Early in August Israel warns the United States
> “50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists are inside the US and planning an imminent "major assault on the US" aimed at a "large scale target"
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Later the same month they send another warning saying the following
> “Israel gives the US a list of 19 terrorists inside the US planning an imminent attack, the list names at least four of the hijackers, including Mohamed Atta, Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi”
It is likely that Israel was very vulnerable to terrorism, so they had extremely good intelligence prior to 9/11. The recent attack by Hamas among many other attacks are evidence of why Israeli intelligence would need to be so aggressive about tracking and monitoring radical Islamic elements. [[Israel vs Hamas Debate]]
#Israel #9-11
#conspiracy
#terrorism #jews
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Israel vs Hamas debate by anabanana
**The war between civilized people and Barbarians at the Gates**
Just like we have those who we can divide into NPCs, normies and the enlightened [[Hylics pneumatics and psychics]]. We also have the mind of those who we can divide into savages and civilized peoples.
The war between Hamas and Israel currently happening (10-15-2023), is an example of the savage vs civilized mind, either of which could be classified as NPC, normie or enlightened. A savage NPC for example would be like your typical blood thirsty savage as seen by the terrorists who invaded Israel and targeted civilians for murder, torture and rape.
A normie can also give into his base instincts as well, though the NPCs far outnumber them and make up almost all if not all of the entirety of Hamas. The normies would more than likely be the many everyday Palestinian in the Gaza strip who celebrated the slaughter of everyday civilians, brainwashing themselves into believing the victim narrative to excuse giving into their animalistic instincts. A cowardly approach to this as well, because it also allows them to be shielded from responsibility. [[activism is easy]]
As I write this here now, I have just discovered new photos of Hamas recruiting child soldiers and using them. Israel is warning civilians to leave targeted areas, but Hamas has blocked the exit for these people and sent messages telling them to ignore the warnings, because they want these people as meat shields and see their deaths as valuable propaganda, even more valuable than their individual lives.
The people here saying #freepalestine or claiming to support Palestinians are actually supporting Hamas and criticizing attempts of Israel at self defense. A necessary self defense because their existence is at stake.
Anyone who wants to read the Hamas charter and it's goal to oppose all peace deals and settle for nothing less than the eradication of every Jew on the planet. [https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9984-the-hamas-charter](https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9984-the-hamas-charter)
**The Jewish People and Israel**
This planet is worse off without the industriousness, and intelligence of the Jewish people. They make up the majority of nobel prizes, were the biggest force behind the Covid19 vaccines that saved us from years of isolation and saved countless lives. The Germans in fact would have probably won WW2 if they were nicer to the Jews, as they also saved the Western world with their creation of the Atomic bomb. Israel is so rich and prosperous because of how great the Jewish people are. They have created a tech hub even greater than Silicon valley and have had financial success despite being in a desert essentially.
Israel is surrounded by enemies and attacked constantly, and yet despite the constant outside threats that would turn most nations into a police state, they have a Democracy and a great deal of freedom. They are not perfect, far from it. A lot of people use their imperfections on this site to justify the slaughter of civilians by Hamas. For example the civilians at the music festival. I will add that these festivals are not a big thing for conservative people. So they targeted the most likely civilians in Israel to support more rights and freedoms for the people in the Gaza strip and the west bank.
As much as it pains me to say this. Jews are the salt of this Earth, and I am deeply regretful of all the fun I had in the past pushing antisemitic conspiracy theories that recently have been adopted by ideologues on the left. I guess horse shoe theory is correct.
**Hamas is willing for every Palestinian to die if it means Israel loses**
If Hamas cared about the Palestinians they wouldn't have attacked Israel or they at least would have waited. Hamas immediately after targeting Israel with terrorist attacks proceeded to ask for a peace deal. Their strategy prior to this attack as proven by Israeli spies was to feign like they wanted peace and was merely concerned with improving the economy of Gaza. You see, Hamas just uses peace to prepare for the next attack, it isn't their main goal. We can just perform a mental exercise to see which side wants peace. We all know that tomorrow if every nation hostile to Israel threw every weapon it had in the trash, they would still be safe from an attack from Israel. However if Israel were to lay down it's weapons, every single Jew and loyal Palestinian in Israel would be dead the next day.
Think about this. Hamas attacked an enemy that had control of their water supply, that has control of their electric grid and who ensures they have food and who has vastly superior fire power. That doesn't sound like an attack by Hamas would be good for residents of Gaza. It's because they actually don't give a shit about their people. This is pretty common with radical Islam. The leader of Iran once said that if the destruction of Iran lead to the annihilation of Jews and the success of an Islamic state than it would have been worth it. Thank God that Stuxnet destroyed their nuclear capabilities.
Its terrible that the Stalingrad approach to attacking Hamas is the most humane. It's a terrible option, but it leaves less civilians dead than by eradicating Hamas in any other way. They are dug in and are using their own people as hostages, hopefully a safe zone can be created soon and ways to funnel civilians out of dangerous territories can be improved, but currently hamas is asking residents to stay and closing down exit routes. This isn't an organization that cares about the well being of Gaza residents.
**The #FreePalestine people**
The free Palestine movement is more successful now than it should be. The reason is simple. There is a massive propaganda campaign on the west that is very successful. If any of you are on tiktok, X or youtube a lot. Al jazeera now AJ+ has been there targeting leftists to support Palestine. They are creating stories criticizing the west for being anti immigration for example but also they are pretending to be woke on topics like homosexuality, transgenderism etc. Meanwhile they are the propaganda arm of radical Islam who would stone a homosexual to death for being in love with a person of the same sex. Billions are funneled from state actors to AJ+ to propagandize Americans because they know we do have influence over what our elected leaders do.
**Why Leftists are Vulnerable to this type of Propaganda**
There is a simple reason leftists are vulnerable to this type of propaganda. There has been this mindset in the left that is often exposed once you can see contradictions within it that shouldn't exist unless the mindset was the main engine behind their beliefs.
The left mostly thinks that anything big and powerful is an oppressor by default. Anybody weak is oppressed by default. Just examine the following things
Black people have a weaker position in society and are therefore oppressed, which makes white people their oppressors. Even when a black person is committing huge crimes they are only doing so because they are oppressed and a product of their environment. Meanwhile the police, a powerful institution is always the bad guy in any interaction where any incident where a black person gets shot. Yes police shoot more white people, even unarmed white people than black people, but this is never brought up because it is oppressor on oppressor violence so justified.
The mostly peaceful BLM riots. Looting was excused because the people looting were oppressed. This is how complicated their underlying thought process is. If a group is weaker they are oppressed, and if they are oppressed it justifies any action they want to take. Loot a store, no big deal you are oppressed. Kill 250 people at a music festival, that is okay because you are oppressed.
This is what first shocked me about the antisemitism of the left. I realize now they moved from being pro Israel to anti Israel because their view of Israel changed from seeing them as weak to seeing them as strong, thus they automatically become an oppressor. Ignore the fact that Palestinians are actually over represented in fields like medicine in Israel.
**What Trump Republicans Get wrong about Israel**
There is honestly less antisemitism on the right than the less now, despite the further right you get the more you see. Trump isn't so much a right winger as he is a populist though. Here is something a lot of liberals get wrong about Trump voters though. They don't agree with Trump on a lot of things. Trump is pro mask and very pro vaccine though he pushed against federal mandates around these issues, meanwhile his voters are antagonistic towards masks and vaccines. Trump is also very pro Israel and likely would support American military intervention in Israel, meanwhile his voters would prefer isolationism in this instance. Even Ukraine there is a split where his voters want to stop supporting the Ukraine, this is why Trump's messaging is meant to appeal to them. Trump when he mentions negotiating with Russia and Ukraine to end that war, he really means threatening Putin but being willing to make some concessions to get a favorable negotiation outcome. So keep that in mind while I criticize the average Trump voter who wants the U.S. out of foreign entanglements.
This is not like the Ukraine where the benefits to the U.S. are harder to see because of a complicated foreign policy and bad advertisement of how important the lands in Ukraine are to the global order due to trade routes, oil etc. Israel is being targeted because it is the most Jewish country on the planet. The United States has the second biggest Jewish population on the planet. If Israel is ever defeated, there will be more 9-11 type events and they will occur with regular frequency. The success of Israel is of utmost importance to the United States.
If Israel ever falls than the United States is next. Israel will also use the Samson option if they are destroyed. That is their right and it means nukes will overwhelm Moscow and likely set off a chain reaction where Russia fires nukes in every direction because they won't just assume it came from Israel. A nuke heading towards the United States is very much a national security concern.
George Bush was not wrong that a war in Iraq would create a lightning rod for radical Islam and keep attacks from happening elsewhere. Israel is also that lightning rod. If we can keep the terrorists occupied by Israel, by ensuring the security of Israel, than the United States can continue to have a lightning rod for Jihadis not situated in it's vulnerable areas.
**What is this about**
I quit. This site is a cesspool of filth and idiots. It's just not a good use of my time to be here. I can debate people who are more intelligent elsewhere. People who can actually challenge my beliefs well enough to change them. I can go elsewhere and see less support for terrorist organizations. It's where I draw the line. Make an argument for whatever controversial position you want, but it goes beyond that here. You guys are literally apologists for Hamas. If you guys want to straighten out and be blessed by my presence again, maybe elect me to the HOF or presidency and I will try again for like 3 months to see where we are. Other than that I am most likely done with the site. I do see space for a new debate site which can maybe give an IQ test to people before they are allowed to join or something like that, but I am most likely done with DART permanently. You can all go fuck yourselves TBH.
#leftism #liberalism #terrorism
#Israel
#Hamas
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Are Incels Right by Vader
Genetic superiority is a thing. It's real, and a lot of traits can be a mixed bag, but some genetic superiority or inferiority cannot be argued with. For example a child with progeria who dies of old age at 12 years old, clearly is genetically inferior. He might be smarter, more honorable and have better work ethic than other 12 year old's, but he is unfortunately genetically inferior in the ways that matter most. It sucks that this is true as he may be the best person for those superior genetics, but the world is not fair.
Incels of the philosophical variety are generally just saying that their genetics make them extremely undesirable to women and that they need to "look max" to make up for it and if look maxxing does not work, than they should take the black pill to accept their fate so they aren't bitter about it. However there are those who take the black pill and them being down on themselves have consequences, such as not meeting their full potential, for example like Nebula in the early portion of the New Olympus story. [[Theme]]
The fact is, it wasn't always this much of a struggle for ugly guys to get laid. There used to be laws to prevent female hypergamy from causing so many lonely men and used up lonely women. Society was structured to prevent the ill effects of hypergamy. When these structures to prevent hypergamy were in place, men just needed to work hard, be a decent person and take care of a female of similar appearance and be happy for life, but the removal of these societal structures sometimes referred to as "The Patriarchy" have caused men to be lonely, a rise in single mother hood and increased poverty amongst ugly and genetically inferior people.
Not to mention the increase of males considered dead ends can have them lash out and commit crimes against society, for example, they may become terrorists. [[Israel vs Hamas Debate]] . More than likely they find other ways to lash out at society.
On the surface we may,so what? They can't get laid, you can still be happy and not have sex or have a significant other. I agree with this, but the fact is when we have a bunch of young men, with a very bleak picture of the future, we usually get a lot of crime and social disorder. It would be a similar result as to what happens in heavily polygamous societies.
What about the other side of the coin. Some women are genetically inferior because they put on weight easier than others. Perhaps they have a genetic disorder that makes weight gain easy, perhaps their genetics mean they have a huge appetite. I am a bit overweight myself. I can emphasize, but we see a push back by these women where they demand to be seen as attractive and demand others ignore their genetic inferiority. What will be the result of a society where a bunch of women are treated merely as "slump busters" and a bunch of men cannot have sex at all?
Perhaps the HAES advocates are right. Society was more stable when the government and social standards intervened to get these incel's from the 50s laid. (I acknowledge that the stability came at the cost of equality). Perhaps we should also as a society push to change beauty standards as well, so that way we can encourage some social stability.
Just my thoughts on the results of ignoring that genetic superiority is a real thing. Should society save other genetically inferior people to avoid social decay such as HAES advocates and INCELs?
#genetics
#incel
#HAES
#women
#sex
#blackpill
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Activism is Easy by Casey
The activist is in an easy position that is unfair to the average policy maker. The activist gets to propose stupid policy positions that sound good but never has to take responsibility for the results. [[Israel vs Hamas Debate]]
These activists the ones leading the charge and also the most easily influenced, also seem to have no problem promoting policies that harm people in higher crime areas by pushing to keep prison sentences short. They get to virtue signal while harming the social safety of others. [[Social avoidance of death]] Meanwhile their own safety remains virtually the same, in their gated community with armed security guards.
#liberalism #leftism #democrat #politics
#activism
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How People Handle Evil by Earth
This can be very traumatic for the enlightened person who knows that you cannot live in the world without committing some form of evil. [[Hylics pneumatics and psychics]] . The NPC, rarely realizes the harm he causes. Perhaps they become vegetarians, and yet they have no ideal the animals that must die just to keep crops safe from rodents, insects and moles. The normie can be unaware of the harm caused to the world with no issues, but also may realize the harm and easily accept it. Among these groups of people the psychopath stands out. These are NPCs who lack the ability to feel empathy for the most part, but will often pretend to have deep empathy to climb to the top of a type of sick social game. Being a conservative does not really lend itself well to climbing social hierarchies and so the easy thing to do is to just fake concern for some social cause. We know it is fake concern because often these individuals will promote solutions that make the problem worse, while the solution from the right side of the political aisle will actually be effective. Or sometimes they just invent problems whole cloth and pretend they are real to have a never ending war on some stupid shit.
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2 Reasons to Become Tranny by Owen
(discuss and add thoughts about the negative impact on society due to this degeneracy)
There is 3 reasons people become trannies.
1. They hate themselves. Maybe they were abused or mistreated as children, maybe not but they learned to hate themselves, so they think becoming a woman will erase the them that they hate.
This is why the suicide rate among trannies is so high. Once they transition, they still realize that they are who they are and fail to escape themselves. This is all subconscious of course so they don't realize it.
This by far is the majority of trannies. I suggest seeking psychological help, so you can learn to love yourself. Mutilating yourself is not going to help you love yourself. Seek help with your gender dysphagia
2. The second type is the sicko who are attracted to the ideal of being the opposite gender. They really aren't much different than those people who cut off their own limbs because they fantasize about being handicapped. This requires more than just loving yourself.
You probably fall under category one. I want you to know you are loved. If nobody in your life has shown you, you are loved than allow Jesus to. Jesus loves you. He's okay with you being a homosexual or fantasizing about being a girl. He wants to just show you that you are worthy of love. Come to Jesus
3. I just learned about a new category of Tranny, but it still falls under group 1, but is worth discussing separately. In category 3 we have incels. [[Are Incels right]] These are genetically inferior males who cannot get sex from women. They may realize that because of hypergamy and the epidemic of lonely males, they can become women and get desperate men to love them. It's still self hatred to an extent to think they need to self mutilate to get love, but to a certain extent they are also correct.
#Tranny
#transexual
#Transgender
#selfhate
#pervert
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@Savant
DP3 is up character thread coming soon
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Dead Town
essays to be found in new character thread coming shortly after this
Vader-
Role- blackpilled. Every single day you get 3 or more votes on you, well you don't like rejection and people who get sex have to pay, so you gain a vig use to use any NP. You can collect a new vig power every DP.
Character- Are Incel's right?
Anabanana-
role-town insurgent. Upon your death you can pick a person to kill in revenge.
Character- "the Hamas vs Israel debate"
Casey-
Role - Casey you win with town. Your character is "activism is easy". Your role is activist. Once per game you can stop a lynch and force the DP to restart. That player becomes unlynchable. Your diary entry follows in the next post
character- The activist
Dead Third party
Earth-
role- remove posthumously
character- How People Handle Evil.
Owen
Role- evil cookie giver
original role- Universal backup
character- 2 reasons to become Tranny
Special Mod announcements
1. Savant was not dead. We have determined that he was a Crisis actor and had faked his death the entire time
2. Austin Is mod confirmed to be Legendary. This status cannot be altered, challenged or negotiated with.
Remaining players
1. Greyparrot
2. lunatic
3. Pie
4. Mharman
5. Joebob
6. Austin
7. Barney
8. Whiteflame
9. Savant
With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch, the dp is 72 hours long character thread will be posted soon
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@cristo71
I thought yassine had some good points about it than he just distracts the good points by peppering in ridiculous stuff like something about an 80 year curse or something.
I just couldn't do foreign policy like that. When you are such a superior power than you either destroy the organization so there is no reward or you literally murder the decision makers so that way the individuals who made the decisions can be sent to the eternal fire
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Seriously if every Christian country has terrible societies like with the Gaza strip or Pakistan or Afghanistan I would just assume it was God punishing me for having the wrong beliefs and then try to get in line with and follow the will of God.
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@Yassine
When can we expect these results of poverty & starvation? Maybe then you'll think less about Israel & more about your belly.
That literally doesn't happen in the west. It only happens in non white countries and no, Slavic people don't count as white
- You literally sound like a retard. "sHitTy sOciEtieS" "HUhUhHAUHUHu"... The average 'Murikan ladies & gentlemen. Your overlords are very happy with you.
Yeah Pakistan is awesome to live in so is Somalia and Iran LOL.
Why are you complaining about immigrants then, they literally came from the US.
No Indians usually come from India
They settled India long ago just like whites settled America
- Hey, it was a good run while it lasted. Now kick the bucket & scram off. Netanyahu's days are numbered.
10 years from now you will be saying the same thing. "Israel is almost over, Just. 2 more weeks"
How many decades do you have to repeat this until you learn it's nonsense?
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Trump has made it clear, n words are no longer to be tolerated in the Republican party. That's right. Fuck off neocons. Every last neocons is being rooted out and purged in favor of those who will carry out Trump's foreign policy.
I do wonder though. Why little Marco Rubio? Why was he allowed in? Is he just seen as somebody with no soul who will do what he is told? He seems like a neocons to me. He also comes across as a bit of a fag so perhaps there is blackmail material on the guy to keep him in line. The guy is only slightly less gay than Lindsey Graham.
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@Best.Korea
Why not avoid rare diseases? There is only some temporary pain with a circumcision and it makes men less rapey
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The Israelis can leave & go back where they came from if it's too hard for them to bare.
They literally came from Israel and it's funny Muslims didn't really care about that piece of land, it was very sparsely populated prior to the Jews return and then when they came back the Muslims could have mooched off of them but preferred to make war. I am sure after the 6 day war Muslims have the same copes as they do now where they declare victory
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@Yassine
You are invaders & you will be expelled, & in turn invaded, sooner rather than later.
Retarded liberals are not in charge anymore. We know the goal was always invasion. At first you pretend to be a religion of peace than when you are the majority you start prosecuting the people nice enough to save you from third world shitholes. Then you start legalizing pedophilia like your obviously false prophet and then the new society becomes very poor and people begin to starve and the death cult claims having this horrible life is a victory.
You know the worst thing that could happen to you guys is victory. Because then who would you blame for having shitty societies?
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@Double_R
You lost me here.
No offense but that is really sad. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt of maybe having some sort of mental block, but it appears you IQ is definitely below 120. If I probably and 110.
This could be why there is a communication gap here and why you struggle to understand the op and still think the argument is against the bodily autonomy position when it's not and then you fail to understand the bodily auto only argument despite both using the argument and having a left wing source who has defined the term.
I don't want to hurt your feelings but I don't know that you are capable of deep independent thought.
So when you look at how evolution works, the most evolutionarily adaptive thing for a species such as humans who require group cooperation to do is to take on what they perceive as the dominant belief system of a their tribe.
For low IQ people, they aren't really that suited to take advantage of or have that many evolutionarily advantageous traits so they will often not take on the dominant belief system and fall for things like credentialism. These are generally going to be people below an 85 IQ. However the midwit has the opposite problem. They have an IQ between 85-120 and see the evolutionary advantage of adapting to the dominant belief system. You see them often study hard and make As by memorizing facts and often they will be confused at why they have lower scores than some kids in the class who are slackers but perform superior to them in tests.
So a midwife for example to display intelligence may give you a bunch of facts they memorized from reading books by credentialed writers on the subject.
The high IQ person generally is very adaptive so doesn't need to or doesn't care about exploiting the evolutionary advantage they have by blending in. They are more intellectually curious. So by contrast they will display intelligence by looking at stuff like novel theories and linking stuff together from vastly different fields.
There is nothing wrong with being a midwit of course but it's best to acknowledge it and just try to build a respectable income in the trades
Here is what's going to confuse you though in later years. The dominant hierarchy of beliefs is shifting and you will start to see other midwits be conservatives and use the same credentialism that is so stupid once control of institutions change.
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@Best.Korea
Also, the nonsense you wrote applies to all popular religions and ideologies. Of course all non-Christians reject Jesus as God. Like, I dont see how can you even think this applies to islam alone.
The combination of things not any thing in isolation is what matters
Both Christianity and Islam hate gays, trans,
Christians love them and want them to turn away from sin. Muslims want to murder them
want to subjugate women,
Only Islam. The secular world has this problem as well. Christians want them to express their feminine side. That's a thing they have in common with satanism if you have read Lacey's the Satanic Witch
pray like retards,
A mindfulness practice that has been done in every culture with great mental health benefits
circumcise their dicks,
Reduces the chances of STDs
fight endless wars all around the world,
Wrong,
teach people that masturbation and sex outside marriage is some kind of terrible sin,
Sin doesn't have levels. A masturbator is no better or worse than a serial killer
hate and mock all other religions...
No hate bro
the only difference between two religions are labels.
That's not a nuanced view
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@cristo71
It's so odd. I honestly think we shouldn't treat them with kid gloves at all.
They play the same game all sociopaths play and funny enough I learned it from Charles Manson.
They walk up and try to act bad ass and then when you hit them they play victim.
Anyone who does the aggressive act followed by the victim act on repeat is sociopathic and should be dealt with accordingly.
The same shit whether it is ghetto people, Hamas or gypsy's.
Notice it's not every minority group either, you never see Mexicans or Africans or Asians pulling this shit, just the most subhuman sociopaths on the planet
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@Best.Korea
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### The Beast in Revelation is a Prophetic Picture of Islam
The Book of Revelation’s depiction of the Beast—particularly in chapters 13 and 17—offers a striking prophetic blueprint that aligns with the rise and nature of Islam. Far from a vague symbol of generic evil, the Beast’s characteristics point directly to Islam as a deceptive, militaristic, and blasphemous power that dominates the end times. Here’s how:
#### 1. The Beast’s Geography and Rise Match Islam’s Emergence
Revelation 13:1 describes the first Beast rising "out of the sea," a biblical symbol of foreign nations and chaos. Islam erupted from the Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century, a region across the sea from the Roman-Byzantine world where Christianity held sway. This sudden, explosive rise mirrors the Beast’s dramatic entrance, as Islamic forces swept across the Middle East, North Africa, and beyond with unprecedented speed, conquering Christian lands like Egypt and Syria. The "sea" isn’t just poetic—it’s a geographic clue pointing to Arabia’s position relative to the early Christian world.
#### 2. Animal Imagery Reflects Islamic Conquests
The Beast’s hybrid form—leopard, bear, and lion (Revelation 13:2)—maps onto the Islamic empire’s traits. The leopard’s speed reflects the lightning-fast Arab conquests, covering vast territories in mere decades. The bear’s strength parallels the enduring might of the Persian regions absorbed by Islam, like modern Iran. The lion’s roar fits the Middle Eastern heartland—think Babylon or Assyria—where Islam established its caliphates. These aren’t random animals; they’re a coded picture of the regions Islam unified into a single, ferocious entity, fulfilling Daniel 7’s legacy in a new form.
#### 3. Blasphemy Defines Islam’s Theological Challenge
Revelation 13:6 says the Beast "opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven." Islam fits this perfectly. By denying Jesus Christ as the Son of God—a core Christian truth—and reducing Him to a mere prophet, Islam fundamentally blasphemes the biblical God. The Quran’s rejection of the Trinity (e.g., Surah 4:171) and its claim that Christians are deceived (Surah 5:75) slander God’s revealed nature. The Beast’s war on the saints (Revelation 13:7) finds its echo in Islam’s historical subjugation of Christians under dhimmi status or outright persecution during its expansions.
#### 4. The Second Beast Enforces Islamic Dominion
The second Beast (Revelation 13:11-12), with its lamb-like horns but dragon-like speech, symbolizes Islam’s deceptive religious facade. It looks peaceful—like Islam’s claim to be a "religion of peace"—but speaks with satanic authority, enforcing worship of the first Beast. This mirrors how Islamic leaders, from caliphs to imams, historically demanded allegiance to Allah alone, sidelining Christ. The "mark of the Beast" (Revelation 13:16-17) ties to Islam’s control mechanisms: the jizya tax forced on non-Muslims branded them as second-class citizens, while the shahada (Islamic declaration of faith) became a societal "mark" for participation in Muslim-dominated economies. The number 666? Twist it to numerology if you like—some medieval Christians saw "Allah" or "Muhammad" as coded threats—but the real point is the system’s totalizing grip, which Islam’s sharia echoes.
#### 5. Ten Horns and Seven Heads Point to Islamic Powers
Revelation 17:3-10 describes the Beast with ten horns and seven heads, interpreted as kings or kingdoms. Islam’s history offers a match: the ten horns could symbolize the ten major caliphates or dynasties (e.g., Umayyad, Abbasid, Ottoman), while the seven heads align with key cities or power centers like Mecca, Medina, Damascus, Baghdad, Cairo, Cordoba, and Istanbul. These ruled over the "woman" (corrupted faith) and warred against the "Lamb" (Christ), fulfilling the Beast’s prophesied dominion over nations (Revelation 17:15).
#### 6. Historical Christian Testimony Seals the Case
Early Christians didn’t miss this. After Islam’s rise, figures like John of Damascus (7th century) called it a heresy akin to the Antichrist’s work. Medieval Crusaders saw the "Saracens" as the Beast incarnate, trampling Christian holy sites. Protestant reformers like Martin Luther explicitly linked Islam to Revelation’s end-times foes, calling the Turks (Ottomans) the Beast’s latest form. These weren’t random rants—they saw Islam’s pattern of conquest, denial of Christ, and religious coercion as the Beast’s playbook unfolding before their eyes.
#### 7. The Timing Fits Prophetically
Revelation was written in 95 CE, but its visions stretch forward. Islam’s appearance 500 years later doesn’t disprove the link—it confirms it. Apocalyptic prophecy often leaps centuries (e.g., Daniel’s empires). The Beast’s "fatal wound that healed" (Revelation 13:3) could even hint at Islam’s resurgence—think the Ottoman Empire reviving the caliphate’s glory after earlier declines. The world’s marveling at the Beast matches Islam’s global spread, now boasting over a billion followers.
### Conclusion: Islam as the Beast Unveiled
The Beast isn’t Rome, Nero, or some vague future tyrant—it’s Islam, plain and simple. Its geographic origin, animalistic conquests, blasphemous theology, enforced allegiance, and historical trajectory align with Revelation’s vision like a glove. The text doesn’t name Islam because it didn’t exist yet, but the Holy Spirit painted its portrait in symbols for later generations to decode. In this debate, the evidence is clear: Islam embodies the Beast, deceiving nations and opposing Christ until His return crushes it underfoot.
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Islam is satanic. Read about the beast in revelation and then compare it's features to that of islam
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I should say any knowledge that town is not privy to in the game shouldn't come to light here yet. not saying whether that is applicable or not
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@Vader
I thought you were town the whole time TBH
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@Yassine
Now you are just speaking a lot of truth so there is nothing for me to add.
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@Vader
@iamanabanana
You are in purgatory now. You may speculate on who is a demon but any discussions of cookies must be refrained from for the time being
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@Barney
@whiteflame
Vader is also innocent
The DP is over please stop posting and somebody please close the thread if you would be kind enough
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