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(6/6) Banana- Vader, lunatic, pie, owen, barney, Joe bob
(2/6) Vader- Banana, mharman
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Banana was lynched. She was innocent. She also p resubmitted her kill. Which was Vader.....
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(5/6) Banana- Vader, lunatic, pie, owen, barney
(2/6) Vader- Banana, mharman
(1/6)barney- greyparrot
(5/6) Banana- Vader, lunatic, pie, owen, barney
(2/6) Vader- Banana, mharman
(1/6)barney- greyparrot
Pie was already on the wagon but will update anyway
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(5/6) Banana- Vader, lunatic, pie, owen, barney
(2/6) Vader- Banana, mharman
(1/6)barney- greyparrot
(5/6) Banana- Vader, lunatic, pie, owen, barney
(2/6) Vader- Banana, mharman
(1/6)barney- greyparrot
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@Mharman
Whiteflame was a vote and unvote before I updated the vote count
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Chat GPTs answer is literally
The country suppresses wrong think with Nazi like tactics and then after saying this says that Germany is committed to the values of liberty and democracy
We are safe from the AI gods for now
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@Double_R
You've made my point. You're offering this as a premise towards a conclusion, but it's based on nothing more than a lack of knowledge as to why they would have proceeded in this fashion. That's by definition, an argument from ignorance. You're essentially saying "I can't explain their actions, therefore I can explain their actions".
If they refuse to provide reasoning than it's fair to assume the worst. Remember good guys have no reason to not expose their reasoning. Because their reasoning is good.
lol right. That's why you guys spent 4 years claiming the justice department was weaponized by Biden despite having no evidence what so ever.
The J6ers locked up, the 75% who didn't commit police brutality ut literally in for trespassing charges at worst along with such unique prosecutorial angles on Trump.
Remember when Biden took office and everyone was demanding he put Bush on trial for war crimes? Well back then Democrats weren't evil so he refused to go after his political opponent
That's why Trump picked a guy to lead the FBI who literally published an enemies list and publicly stated he will use the justice department to go after Trump's enemies.
People that have supported going after political opponents having political opponents going after them? Jesus Christ man, who could have foreseeable that weaponizing the justice system would cause it to be weaponized against you?
Honestly don't weaponize the justice system. Remember how Bill Clinton literally raped people and we let that slide because you just aren't supposed to go after political opponents that way, because that's literally what happens in banana republics.
I will say, once the door is opened you made your bed though.
We know that the manner in which they stopped the prosecution leaves the door open to bring them back up later if Adams doesn't comply. And we know that Adams struck some sort of deal with the administration as Tom Homan made clear publicly.
That's not really evidence of his guilt.
Since posting this not a single person has pointed out literal any piece of evidence just FYI.
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@Barney
I literally did not see this in the announcements. It needs it's own thread
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@Double_R
A majority of new yorkers take public transportation. Maybe you would know that if you knew anything about this city.
And apparently it will stay that way since we want to raise parking fees to only an amount the rich can afford
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@Yassine
You poor chap. You're exactly like how they want you. If only you knew how utterly f*cked you are. If you really want a White or Christian nation as the impression you give off, you seriously need to drop all the stupid Western "morality" & save yourself before it's too late.
Yeah the only way to secure myself against you guys is border security and deportations at home and bombings abroad. Lets be honest it's only a matter of time before the religion of peace starts doing more serious terror attacks in America.
They actually do, & much more
You guys are so off balance. I don't even like Jews but am tempted to defend them due to how retarded your views are. Have you ever tried to disprove your own arguments to see how dumb they are or is your only focus on defending things like
"See that pile of rubble? See that modern developed country? The pile of rubble won"
I don't see how you can simultaneously declare victory while also crying to Christian countries for aid due to how you are being genocided.
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@Vader
The fucking country is nothing but ice, America is a country where only spoiled rich kids who are mentally weak and never had to face hardship get into the sport.
Yes, spoiled bitches will lose to people who come out the womb skating and who are hardened by life.
Philly overcame this for a while and beat Russia because they literally strapped skates to violent felons and beat the shit out of the Russians
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@Sidewalker
The people Trump is deporting, where have they posted the evidence that they are here illegally?
They literally have and they showed they were also convicted of things like rape, murder and pedophilia.
Why exactly do you want pedophiles in the country? Honestly what could possibly compel somebody to take the side of pedophiles even if they are American citizens who were "wrongly" deported?
It seems very unusual that you would be so supportive of people who rape, murder and commit acts of pedophilia.
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Israelis are indeed desperate to get their Temple built this year, ideally before 2028, fearing the 8th decade curse.
WTF kind of superstitious cope is this?
Do Jews also murder black cats because they are bad luck? You guys will believe anything
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. It's normal to not care for the life of who you deem enemy... Ukrainians & allies don't care for Russian lives, & vis-versa.
It's not even true. Every western country tries to spare lives. It isn't from some sense of inferiority either. There is a reason why Muslim morals have them living in literal shitholes if they adopted western morality they could literally just live in peace and prosperity instead of fucking donkeys and living in slums. At least build up your societies before starting a war. Anyone who is not retarded against military superiority before attacking other countries but I think Muslims as a whole just aren't smart. Perhaps it's the inbreeding.
Seriously a lot of sex with cousins guy and kids LoL
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@Yassine
Israel & its backers lost, plain & simple. Even Israelis admit that. No party who holds the upper hand seeks truce under the conditions for the adversary.
So good to know that Hamas literally owned Israel in this and is not actually a pile of rubble.
Bro this is literally what ethical people do. It is so obvious who is winning by looking at which country is a pile of dust.
It was honestly retarded to just randomly attack random civilians on October 7th. I don't even think they had a strategy. I think they were honestly just stupid enough to fall for Irans promises to help them when Irans real goals were to just be annoying even at the expense of Palestinian and Israeli lives.
The whole October 7th thing kind of proves that these people are in a satanic death cult. You would never see good religions like Christianity command their people to go rape random civilians. The American military literally just established military dominance not target civilians at random. To rape especially the pedophile stuff.
Now you can say individual soldiers may have done some fucked up shit but not as a matter of policy.
Did you know that Gaza could be as rich as western nations if they didn't take their aid money to buy weapons and make tunnels? They could have spent it on schools or developing industries.
Instead they are like. "Let's randomly attack civilians and rape them, I am sure that if we hold hostages it will mean that we are rewarded for this behavior and not punished"
Bro it's dumb . In the Muslim mind you think not genociding your people is an admission of defeat, which I think is an admission that you guys would literally genocide your enemies if you ever established military dominance.
No the Germans did not win WW2 just because they weren't wiped from existence LOL.
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@Double_R
P1 is false. Prosecutors have no obligation to provide evidence to the public until the trial. This is just one big argument from ignorance.
They have done so in other high profile crimes though. Just from a cost benefit analysis, why would they hold back evidence?
Shouldn't the public be able to trust the process and shouldn't there be transparency in government?
I think from the standpoint of any reasonable person not entrenched in politics, we know that prosecutors do not like to bring charges unless they believe they can prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt,
Yet outside of politics we see cases where people get railroaded. In those cases we see some common elements. Look at the Steven Avery false rape case. We have prosecutors who knew of Avery and hated im personally prior to when he got railroaded.
This is why prosecutors should never ever do anything that has any chance whatsoever of looking like malfeasance. We want to keep public trust high.
How anyone could conclude that the prosecutors who resigned in protest are the bad guys is beyond rational comprehension.
Oh because they lack transparency. Good guys never need to keep what they are doing secret unless they are private citizens in which case privacy Trump's every other right.
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@Sidewalker
You don't even think he's clean, you just see this as an opportunity to slam the opposition again, blah blah blah.
I literally haven't seen them show the evidence.
Nonsense, there is a truckload of evidence, coconspirators have plead guilty
That's not evidence and why testimony from jail house snitches is so common. Typical prosecutorial tactic to get a witness is to offer somebody some time off of their sentence if they overheard anything their cellmate said and this incentivize the jailhouse snitch testimony
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This is how philosophers argue to figure out how to create a consistent set of principles.
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@Double_R
So is it a violation of my bodily autonomy to tell me I can't stabb you?
Yes it does violate bodily autonomy to ban stabbings, how it was defined. Remember the argument is that bodily autonomy is a good enough argument on it's own to defend the pro choice position.
By saying stabbing is bad then we are back to valuing human life over bodily autonomy, which would put them in the pro life camp.
Remember this thread is about people who solely use the bodily autonomy argument. Which is probably going to be most of the left going by what's in my Twitter feed.
To show an inconsistency you need to show how two similar examples are treated differently. If they're not simmilar to each other (as in they're not alike) then comparing them accomplishes nothing.
What? no LOL.
When you examine the principles of an argument you always use an extreme example to see if the principles a person is using is appropriate.
Here is a fair criticism of the pro life argument if you agree with personhood but are pro choice.
Say that you are a doctor in a hospital. You have 5 patients on the verge of death and you are in the middle of nowhere with no contact with the outside world. These 5 patients can be cured with an organ donation of 5 different organs.
Now a healthy person walks through the door of the hospital which you just so happen to know is a match for all 5 people. Do you kill him to save the other 5 lives?
If the person says no you can then say "so you admit it, bodily autonomy is more important than preservation of life"
If they say yes they would sacrifice the man than there is no inconsistency with their principles. If they say no than they will have to admit their argument is wrong and come up with a more nuanced argument.
It's the same thing with solely using the bodily autonomy argument. If you find an example no matter how extreme of bodily autonomy being something they think is bad, such as thinking it's unethical to stop a stabbing, than they have to if they are arguing in good faith change their argument, even if their new argument supports the same position.
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You ever seen pictures of those guys who run the strong lifts program. Seriously Google them they work legs as much as other body parts, but legs grow faster and literally ever strong lifts guy looks like a horse. Seriously PPL is a good routine but you only need to work legs once a week
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@Best.Korea
Can you believe it? Confederacy wanted to give real Americans their own country!
Somebody taught me as a kid that the easiest way to remember who the good guys are in a war is that it's always the South. South vs North Vietnam, South vs North Korea and South vs North in the war of northern aggression.
It's just a pattern that always repeats and you will never find any exceptions for
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@Barney
@Best.Korea
This thread needs to be deleted or the title needs to replace "civil war" with "the war of northern aggression"
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I get that you are saying bodily auto only is important. Everyone agrees bodily autonomy is important. This discussion is about whether it's good enough as the sole premise of an argument for pro choice which is how a lot of liberals use the argument. So this is not to discount or disprove the argument on bodily auto only but examining if it's consistent in a good amount of people.
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@Double_R
Making decisions about your body does not mean you get to do whatever you want with it, especially to and around other people.
That's literally what it means.
As for you tangent at the end, it's irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's like mask mandates.
It's about whether there is consistency with the bodily autonomy argument.
Now if you are saying there are other things to balance like the toll it takes on a woman or because it's not something you can easily cut on or off that's a different argument that has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.
Remember I am not arguing a position here. I am pointing out an inconsistency in the arguments some liberals use (not all pro choice liberals)
For my personal opinion I would ban abortions outside of the first trimester unless the woman and the doctor agreed it's best to abort for medical reasons. I consider that a pro life stance, many would call it pro choice, but every single pro life state makes exceptions for the health of the mother so that's why ai say I am pro life.
This isn't about my opinion though this is examining a specific argument by specific people.
I also explained that not all liberals are inconsistent with the bodily autonomy argument to avoid going off topic like has been done here.
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@Barney
she clearly came out identifying as “Taylor Swift.” But jerks still call her Donald Trump, and also President instead of King.
I'm sorry to hear this. Completely unaccepting
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@whiteflame
I also literally self identified as trans because I have that option at work and so DEI promotion is on the table if the die promotion fails.
As a transgender I get surveys to fill out in my email so the company can also better accommodate me, so I get to speak on behalf of the trans community
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My boss is frail and elderly so off chance he dies and I get a promotion opportunity.
That's what boomers get for refusing to retire and leaving us with all the shitty jobs
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Sorry the vote count took so long I have been both sick and working.
You might ask, why be a dick and get my coworkers sick and it's called playing chess while you guys are playing checkers. If I get them all sick, I can pick up their hours and get more overtime.
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(4/6) Banana- Vader, lunatic, pie, owen
(2/6) Vader- Banana, barney
(1/6)barney- greyparrot
(4/6) Banana- Vader, lunatic, pie, owen
(2/6) Vader- Banana, barney
(1/6)barney- greyparrot
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@Sidewalker
That's fair but he was only charged with corrupt after criticizing Biden and zero proof was given.
If you are on a jury would you convict with zero evidence?
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Also if you know any lawyers in real life please try to get them to comment on this because I want to understand why the prosecution would hide evidence when other high profile cases they trip over themselves to provide it.
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I started digging into the Mayor Adams case to see if the extremely suspicious timing of his prosecution was politically motivated
Let's just say that officials should not just avoid politically motivated prosecutions but avoid any appearance of such a thing given the importance of institutional trust. However I decided to dig in, to see if the prosecutors offered any evidence to show the public. Other prosecutors do. We know for a fact Bryan Kohlberger has evidence tying him to his crimes. We know for a fact that Luigi Mangione (PBUH) has evidence tying him to the crimes he is accused of.
So it isn't the policy of prosecutors to hold back evidence. So why have we seen zero evidence tying Adams to his supposed crimes.
Well we know the following syllogism is true
P1 prosecutors show evidence to the public of a crime when they are confident it is true
p2- we have seen zero evidence of Mayor Adams guilt (suspiciously)
C1- Mayor Adams is innocent
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@IlDiavolo
I would advise new York officials to maybe stop doing all wasteful spending and they will have enough money to do things this tax on the poor was meant for.
Maybe instead of 1st class hotels for illegal immigrants they do lower end motels.
Also maybe instead of of prosecuting innocent mayors after they criticize Biden they save their money to go after criminals who do not seem to present a conflict of interest.
I googled the evidence against Mayor Adams and the prosecution literally offered zero. You look at other cases like Bryan kohlberger and the prosecution always gives some but of evidence to the public. With Adams we literally are asked to take their word that their prosecution of somebody who shortly before criticized Biden is legit despite the timing requiring a one in a billion coincidence
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The effects will be that poor people will be able to park in New York. Before the poorest New Yorker would have to walk or just go without menthols.
This is one of the things where cities just attack the poor. It's the same issue with red light cameras.
Btw a majority of newyorkers prefer to pay a reasonable amount for parking
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@Best.Korea
Hamas uses civilians as shields, you don't exactly let them get away with being terrorists just because they are hiding in civilian areas. If you reward that behavior than in the long term more civilians are at risk. However most those people support Hamas and their pedophilia and terrorism so it's not really a big loss. Only the children are innocent though with the use of child soldiers I am unsure of that. Child soldiers is also another thing humans wouldn't do
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@Yassine
If Israel was winning, it would've never agreed to a ceasefire.
This is the mind of inhuman terrorists but humans feel empathy. They literally could nuke Gaza and nothing would be done in response.
They don't glass Gaza because they are humans with empathy. The same reason civilized nations would never fly planes into civilian buildings, kidnap and rape little boys who are civilians and throw faggots off of a roof.
We disagree with their lifestyle as well, we don't murder them because we are humans with empathy not soulless monster
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Actually I should say soft social controls like shame or some businesses requiring masks without being forced to
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Okay discussion of the cookie role or lack there of is fine but let's not talk about where cookies have gone and who has accepted them
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@Double_R
What part did you not understand?
How any of that applies to this thread when I already mentioned exceptions like those who want social controls
That is not a definition of bodily autonomy that any reasonable person would use.
I literally gave the definition at the beginning of the thread I was using and I pulled it from a pro choice group.
. If you don't want to engage in that then don't leave your house. You have a choice, that's called bodily autonomy.
This doesn't work for the same reason as saying "if you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex"
Self ownership taken to its extreme is a logical impossibility.
I haven't defended self ownership in this thread or from my memory any thread.
Being told you must wear a mask to enter a grocery store is nothing remotely like that.
The only actual criticism you have made but I think it fails if you consider the fetus a person because if wearing a mask to protect the health of others is fair than telling a woman to carry a baby until birth as long as it is safe to do so to save a human life seems fair.
If you don't see the fetus as a person than this thread is not for you or criticizing your views. Because if pro life people agreed with the not a person argument than most of them would be pro choice. There is of course exceptions.
This thread is simply about the hypocrisy pointed out and you are correct that the tax example was a poor one
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For the integrity of the game no more discussion of cookies, who received them. Who handed them out and whether a person said yes or no. No hinting like " I said no last night"
Nothing. Discussions of cookies and cookies givers is off limits
There is to be no discussion in the scum chat either please.
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@Mharman
Did you forget to add someone to the purgatory thread?
I don't make mistakes.
Enough with your conspiracy theory
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I care about self preservation so yes
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@Double_R
But you never did. You laid out the argument in syllogistic form, then talked about how other groups might see it. No where did you actually explain why you think the argument fails with regards to abortion, then you went on to argue why pro-choicers aren't consistent in other areas. I fail to see what this "analysis" accomplishes.
Because I never said it failed. What is the argument I made? It was about the inconsistency of it and I pointed out the inconsistency does not apply to everyone making it,
Those are completely different things. No one was pinned down and forced to get vaccinated, it was a requirement *if* you decided to join the work force and expose yourself to other people. Again, of the freedom to swing your arms ends at someone else's nose, that's perfectly consistent.
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The mask wearing argument is too silly to even take seriously. That's like me saying it's a violation of my bodily autonomy to force me to cover up my genitals in the presence of children.
It literally does violate your bodily autonomy to force you to cover your genitals in front of children, its why leftists and libertarians who hold consistent views on bodily autonomy typically oppose laws forcing women to cover their tits
Owing someone money does not = they owned your body. Your only requirement is to provide the money, how you got it is your choice. That is not comparable to telling a woman that her uterus must be utilized an in incubation chamber for another human being.
Now you are confusing self ownership with bodily autonomy, but yes forced labor is a violation of self ownership. You can say "well you get to choose how your body is enslaved" but it would violate the concept of self ownership. I will give you a pass here though since I was conflating self ownership with bodily autonomy and bodily autonomy can exist independent of self ownership
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