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@Lunatic
That is 100% proof you are town. I am really fucking shocked and happy now. If we lose this is on you nigha
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@Lunatic
So if you are scum end the game and try not to be nice in the endgame to me. Also if you are scum fuck you for playing me 2 games in a row
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@Lunatic
She has improved her game if she is scum. That was a phenomenal risk but I also think the NKs have been safe choices and she should have died NP1. She also claimed being. Blocked so that's 2 role blockers and the sensor which also basically would make the watcher pointless.
Anyway either way ai am causing Casey to lose here so I apologize in advance
vtl casey
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@Lunatic
I can tell you the other thing in your favor is prior to the end of last DP you wanted to consider Casey as a possibility when I seemed an easy mislynch so I don't see why you would mess with that hornets nest if you didn't have to.
Why do you think Casey is scum though?
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@Lunatic
How did you and whiteflame decide the Pie NK last game? Do you recall the thought process and reasoning for that?
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I reread all the DPs just focusing on lunatic and Casey's messages and the only difference is how much effort each is giving. Lunatic is giving a lot of effort but he would do that as scum anyway.
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It's a minute by minute thing. I wanted to set a trap and quicky unvote but nobody would forgive me if that backfired LOL
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I think the aggression early is out of the norm for Casey but she also backed away from the lynch to vote for me for activity because she stated the lynch was moving too fast.
After DP1 she does seem to just kinda go with the flow.
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@Lunatic
I am not voting you now I am leaning towards Casey but hopefully one of you presents some shit I can believe in.
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Just looking through scum games with lunatic he does kill pie NP1 frequently. He also didn't seem to be on any incorrect lynches last game
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@Lunatic
I have never killed pie NP1 especially if I was in control of the scum team and especially when a soft claimed investigative role is on the board.
Have you?
I can't always control the scum team strategy but if I was in the scum chat with GP, yes it would have been on me.
I know I keep flipping back and forth
Another thing that makes this really difficult is that both of you were basically early to soft claim your roles and characters.
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@Casey_Risk
It wouldn't redirect the NK though obviously I guess.
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Why would she somewhat clear me though by saying she saw me not move. I would say most of our roles are x shot and something that you guys would have to consider Is I would specifically have to be a ninja probably an x-shot one and would have specifically used that ability that night
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I don't mind if anyone else makes the wrong decision here but I don't want to be wrong.
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The whiteflame NK is obvious. But the pie NK could be a hint. Lunatic isn't going to be intimidated by Pie, but Casey is saying all the right things.
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@Casey_Risk
Then again why are you still alive after soft claiming an investigative role on DP1?
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@Lunatic
@Casey_Risk
Lunatic is scum.
Give me a minute to explain. He doesn't match the theme split. Mharman did say a theme split was possible. I am going to go ahead and put the game in my hands but it's up to you to make the decision
All of our roles are essentially just elements of the game are neutral to the player character, while lunatics character has more of an active effect.
I don't know am I crazy here?
Either way if Casey is scum she deserves the win.
Refraining from placing my vote because I want to look at some more angles not 100% on this decision will likely set my vote in the next hour though
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@Casey_Risk
Didn't you hold back some other elements from your role?
You should probably put them now
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It is a hard decision. Kind of hope the first vote is on me so I can push the responsibility of the correct decision to somebody else
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Other than most of the games I play as town I get lynched early and most as scum I make it to the endgame pretty easy. I probably shouldn't point that out though.
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@Lunatic
I have noticed something vastly different about your play style this game from your usual town play. Do you have any inkling as to what I am referring to?
No ideal
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It's reasoning doesn't appear to good TBH. What model were you using and what are the prompts?
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I will say there are things that lunatic has done that ai don't think he would do as scum. For example last DP he sounded like he had inside information i was town by telling me he hopes I enjoy my humble pie.
However that sort of mistake is not something a good scum player would make and he's usually pretty good.
Casey is usually terrible as scum and I can typically tell even on DP1 even though ai have to kinda wait for the rest of town to catch up. This time she is not throwing up any red flags.
My head is telling me to vote lunatic but my heart is telling me to vote Casey for many of the same reasons lunatic pointed out.
I will say it would be significantly more embarrassing to mislynch Casey than to mislynch lunatic here, although that sort of thing isn't supposed to matter.
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@Lunatic
I will say that even if you are town you are playing really well as well.
Scum Casey is playing incredibly well but town Casey has been performing just as bad as me so.....
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I am going to reread Vader's reads from yesterday though. I didn't take them serious and just skimmed them because I thought he was scum. Honestly if I thought he was town I may have tried to get myself lynched instead so he has to deal with this shitty position this dp
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@Lunatic
Wylted I know you said you would suspect me in the case that supa was town, but you should also give consideration to casey as well. No reason to rush things here.
I am and I really think reading DP1 will reveal a lot so I am going through it again. I don't even trust my own judgement right now either so I need to look for actual evidence
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Okay whichever one of you it is you did an incredible job. I was confident with every lynch train I was on, so this is going to fuck with me for a while
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@Reece101
I haven't blocked you. The l in my name is actually a capital "i"
You may be attempting to tag my old account
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@Double_R
The only thing that's left once I feel like I've searched everywhere and arrived at the right answer is to see if others can offer me something I don't have. That's when I come here, and sadly there just isn't much here for me.
There is plenty wrong with this. Besides the part where you think you have a correct belief. None of my beliefs are correct for the record though I think I am closer to the truth than you,
However if you would revisit maybe the only thread where I put in serious effort to prove something wrong. At least in threads we appear in together.
I completely proved RCV was a bad thing and was more harmful than good and you essentially said and obviously I am paraphrasing.
"Just because RCV always fails everywhere it is tried, doesn't mean we shouldn't have RCV"
I think to steel man your argument you were trying to say if an ideal seems good we should try to make it work as opposed to the more practical and pragmatic solution of sticking with things we know work
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@Greyparrot
It's weird how the far-left refuses to admit Malcolm X was right about them
They honestly try to pretend he doesn't exist. Personally ai think he's kind of cool. I watch interviews with him and I haven't read his book but I don't see a whole lot of stuff he says that I disagree with
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@Double_R
To be fair you don't usually clearly state your opinions so there is nothing to rebut.
You are usually like "we need some form of gun control"
Which is something literally everyone agrees with. Most of the time you get distracted by personalities.
We might actually agree on a lot but you only whine about people and I tend to like the people you whine about.
For example I stated that black people are often used as cannon fodder for communists and you just refuse to take a position. You won't agree with or disagree with that point. I think you briefly disagreed until I showed evidence but then just want to argue about pointless shit.
This thread isn't even that serious it shows some hypocrisy of the left based on their own words and it's not meant to be taken seriously but you come in and say something like "J6 was worse".
So what, whether it is or isn't worse that's not what's being discussed here. What's being discussed here here is some hypocrisy.
If you started a thread showing conservatives are hypocritical on some point that would be great, I wouldn't distract from it.
In fact discussing the hypocrisy could get us somewhere but you aren't into discussing the specifics. You like keeping stuff general.
If you wanted to you could get into either defending the hypocrisy by bringing up some nuance or by attacking it and saying yes it is hypocritical.
Saying it's hypocritical doesn't even mean you have to disagree with their actions, maybe you just disagree with their stated reasons, but you refuse to take a stand.
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@Greyparrot
I knew what you were referring to. I was watching CNN when it came on.
I watch CNN to see what story they are selling midwits and boomers so I can have a response prepared. This story among others is then signalling a shift in how the Democrats or at least how they want Democrats to shift focus.
The problem is that latest DNC get together showed that the coup of the woke tards is complete and it means the party will have to either split in 2 and let the woke tards have their own party so they can still win. I think it was Andrew Jackson who destroyed the Whigs and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump (his intellectual heir) so thoroughly destroys the democratic party that they are forced into 2 new parties.
Don't get me wrong. I hope they continue to be slaves to woke tards so the right continues to keep power for the next 25 years.
The new democrat party can pull a lot of neocons and neo liberals to actually put up a fight, but it probably won't. They'll continue to be one party.
There have been times that a specific party has kept control for 50 or more years at a time. It could happen again.
I think this latest election was basically about which party would have complete control for atleast the next 20 years and had it been Democrats than yes we would actually turn into Venezuela at some point, so I am thankful it was the right who won
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@Double_R
Google "peer review process in science". Note the similarities between that and what I just described.
The study i showed that was described by the New Yorker was peer reviewed and you are continually disproved here. For example you say the Jan 6 people deserve that amount of time because of attacks on police and I have citations to show less than one third of them are actually in jail for that (at the time we were discussing it)
You made a claim that the BLM riots are misrepresented by the right as some sort of riot by blacks and then I showed you evidence that was the plan and intended response of the left with several citations, but I guess you don't like the ideal of that so you would rather ignore the actual fact that blacks are used by the left as cannon fodder.
I guess you would rather think you are not being pimped than escape the clutches of your pimp.
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@Double_R
One of the best ways to determine whether your position is legitimate is to make the case to those who disagree with you and see if any of them can refute it.
Wrong. Notice how I brought up how the lumpenproletariat work and how you ignored it to avoid thinking about how blacks are used by leftists as cannon fodder because you would like to keep metaphorically sucking the dick of effeminate white leftists.
Studies show that your beliefs become more ingrained when challenged. https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/i-dont-want-to-be-right?utm_source=www&utm_medium=tw&utm_campaign=20140519
Your best bet is to actually start arguing devil's advocate. Something i did to become a top 5 debaters on DDO, according to the leaderboard anyway. I literally made it to the top 5 debating positions I disagree with.
You don't actually challenge your beliefs. You continue to watch the same types of content that create a confirmation bias and then you further ingrain your beliefs (see article linked) by arguing for the actual stuff you believe here.
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The lunpenproletariat do not start revolutions. They just become cannon fodder. It happened in Russia and it's the norm and an intentional tactic
https://www.academia.edu/45299249/The_Lumpen_Bourgeoisie_and_the_Lumpenproletariat?uc-sb-sw=57404155
So when you see a white woman looting a store or people dressed in black that are white and blending in with black protestors to encourage shit like looting than yes they are intentionally trying to create civil unrest and use black people as shield.
You won't wake up so I am wasting my time but just pretend to be a Marxist and start infiltrating black bloc groups. Start on Twitter and see where the rabbit leads.
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@Double_R
Here is what your typical communist thinks of the lumpenproletariat
Now go ahead and google what group makes up most of the lumpenproletariat.
Actually fuck it i did it. Just read on Wikipedia especially the part where it says the black Panthers thought of most of their people as lumpen proletariat (aka cannon fodder)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat#:~:text=Laura%20Pulido%20argues%20that%2C%20historically,incarceration%20rates%20among%20African%20Americans.
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@Reece101
What do you think of worker cooperatives?
They are a great ideal. I support them with my business when I am made aware of their existence around me. Unless they start doing woke shit, but if they avoid politics and most do from my experience than I patronize them as much as I can. We need more of them
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@Greyparrot
I think it's actually pathetic. We literally have uncovered 100 billion in government fraud and wasteful spending and they are mad just because "orange man bad"
They really are brainwashed. I know me and you would be happy if Biden was uncovering corruption but they seem mad that corruption is being uncovered
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@Double_R
Translation: "I have no rebuttal to any of the points you made so instead I'm just going to vaguely accuse you of not thinking for yourself thereby relieving me of any obligation to rationally defend anything I've said while still looking like I'm on top."
There it is. Your trapped bro. I used to follow a lot of stuff the black bloc faction of antifa was doing. You guys are literally cannon fodder. Go join a more militant antifa group and see. It's not a new strategy. They were doing the same thing in the 60s.
You should be paranoid about how your thoughts are formed. We are all susceptible to propaganda. You see the actual left. You know the Marxists. They quite literally refer to blacks as the "lumpenproletariat "
Essentially in Marxism the lumpen proletariat aren't even really humans so the organizers and this is written about in many communist early works. The only person really privy to this among the famous black leaders anyway was Malcolm X.
You literally thought I was deflecting LOL. For a second I thought you were waking up from your program and know how the organizers use the lumpenproletariat
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@Reece101
The liberal movement from back then has descendants within libertarians and the cuckservatives are descendents of the way James Madison did politics for the most part.
Modern leftists aren't really concerned with individual liberty. Obviously. They may pretend to with some pet issues like abortion but generally they are opposed to things like freedom of speech, freedom of association and self governance.
The leftists I am referring to are splinter groups from Marxism. Anyone labeling themselves a progressive or anything left of progressive would fit into that category
Modern leftists aren't really concerned with individual liberty. Obviously. They may pretend to with some pet issues like abortion but generally they are opposed to things like freedom of speech, freedom of association and self governance.
The leftists I am referring to are splinter groups from Marxism. Anyone labeling themselves a progressive or anything left of progressive would fit into that category
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@Reece101
Modern leftist thought didn't exist that far back.
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Why did I quick hammer? You guys are probe to changing your mind and I know I am town
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Actually let's make this really easy. And I am shocked people haven't started placing votes yet
Unvote VTL Wylted
I think you should still lynch Vader next DP, but you actually should be considering everyone and resetting your reads and rereading at least some portions of DPs, with DP1 being the most valuable day
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@Double_R
One of the most notable examples of that summer was when they burned down the Wendy's after another black man was killed by police in their parking lot the night before. Yet the person who did that was a white woman who wasn't aligned with BLM and the whole thing was caught on video as the protesters were screaming "she's not with us". Did any of that matter to MAGA media? Of course not, they blamed it on BLM and "the left" anyway.
I almost want to think you are dangerously close to figuring out that leftists use black people as cannon fodder l, but I have a feeling you are so deep in denial that overcoming the thought processes you have as a result of white people telling you what ideology to have is impossible.
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@Casey_Risk
The way he responded to Austin's claim and ended up defending him just seemed very towny and genuine to me. You'd expect him to join Austin's wagon if he were scum. On the other hand, scum Luna would know that and could potentially defend Austin just for towncred, so there is a bit of WIFOM there I suppose.
It almost feels like inside information to know Austin was town there tbh.
Also as scum I have defended scummy looking town hoping the lynch would not go through just because dragging them along means I can sacrifice them, if I am in the hot seat
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@whiteflame
I think lunatic is more likely to be scum than Casey but I am not commiting to anything if we go with Vader and he flips innocent.
I am also willing to consider lunatic this DP, but I almost feel like me and Vader both being options at LYLO would make the game harder for town so I think most likely this should be me and Vader one v one right now
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