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@FLRW
Well, Trump probably loves the mentally ill too.
What's wrong with mentally ill people being loved?
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@Sidewalker
so this is lies. First of all the people who speculate about weather control specifically talk about HAARP . This means they would be making calls to HAARP and not to meteorologist. Meteorologists predict weather and though HAARP may employ some, their responsability would probably not have anything to do with causing natural disasters .
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@Sidewalker
The constitution does not apply to the countries where this occurred but no this would fall under the computer fraud and abuse act and be illegal in The United States.
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@Sidewalker
Except for black and brown ones, and blue state ones, and LGBTQ ones, and Muslim ones, and women ones.
He literally made the country better for all those people though, even if he hated them I guess your theory is he hates them because he believes in border security and he hates women because he stated abortion should be decided on a state by state basis. Not sure of your premises but even if he hates all those people they should still vote for him because his policies help them and Kamala's would hurt them
But the rest, oh wait, except for the suckers and losers in the military who dies or were captured, but the rest, all those white guys who haven't polluted the gene pool, you know, the Aryans, those are the American he loves.
You really do believe just any random shit you see a leftist say on Twitter don't you?
This has gotten emotional for you and you have become incapable of rationality. Do me a favor just pretent like Trump has a D beside his name and the media was sulking his dick, now pretend Kamal has an R by her name and the media is calling her Hitler now analyze their policies from that position if it helps you remove your feminine emotional tendencies.
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@Sidewalker
Interesting that you ignored the evidence in op for my argument and went off into a tangent. I merely stated that free speech Is over if the kamala harris wins and she agreed as did her running mate.
Misinformation is protected by the Constitution, Lies are protected by the Constitution, lies and misinformation is your inalienable right according to the Constitution.
Have you read the book 1984 where the government decided what was and wasn't true? Was that a good thing or a bad thing?
Trump loves the poorly educated, the rest of us laugh at you, but hey, at least it's a feel sorry for you kind of laugh.
What's wrong with the poorly educated?
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@FLRW
I notice how you ignored the arguments in op.
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@ebuc
Please see the citations provided so you know who the nutters are. Most are just links to video of your kind in their own words
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@Sidewalker
The rest of us, the well-educated and informed people are laughing at you.
Why would you include yourself in this statement?
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There was a recent and extremely large DDOS attack and it effected servers from mostly Russia and former USSR countries. https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cloudflare-blocks-largest-recorded-ddos-attack-peaking-at-38tbps/
Many of the attacks aimed at the target’s network infrastructure (network and transport layers L3/4) exceeded two billion packets per second (pps) and three terabits per second (Tbps).According to researchers at internet infrastructure company Cloudflare, the infected devices were spread across the globe but many of them were located in Russia, Vietnam, the U.S., Brazil, and Spain.DDoS packets delivered from all over the worldsource: CloudflareThe threat actor behind the campaign leveraged multiple types of compromised devices, which included a large number of Asus home routers, Mikrotik systems, DVRs, and web servers.
Cloudflare mitigated all the DDoS attacks autonomously and noted that the one peaking at 3.8 Tbps lasted 65 seconds.
Largest publicly recorded volumetric DDoS attack peaking at 3.8Tbps
The researchers say that the network of malicious devices used mainly the User Datagram Protocol (UDP) on a fixed port, a protocol with fast data transfers but which does not require establishing a formal connection.
Previously, Microsoft held the record for defending against the largest volumetric DDoS attack of 3.47 Tbps, which targeted an Azure customer in Asia.Typically, threat actors launching DDoS attacks rely on large networks of infected devices (botnets) or look for ways to amplify the delivered data at the target, which requires a smaller number of systems.In a report this week, cloud computing company Akamai confirmed that the recently disclosed CUPS vulnerabilities in Linux could be a viable vector for DDoS attacks.After scanning the public internet for systems vulnerable to CUPS, Akamai found that more than 58,000 were exposed to DDoS attacks from exploiting the Linux security issue.
More testing revealed that hundreds of vulnerable “CUPS servers will beacon back repeatedly after receiving the initial requests, with some of them appearing to do it endlessly in response to HTTP/404 responses.”These servers sent thousands of requests to Akamai’s testing systems, showing significant potential for amplification from exploiting the CUP flaws.
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@Sidewalker
Trump loves you.
Not just me, but America and all Americans.
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@Sidewalker
You forgot to mention that we will enforce the censorship with our Jewish Space Lasers
I provided links for a reason. In every single case you can hear this said with their own mouths. This is not comparable to a conspiracy theory that they never mention.
You have walz saying he will end free speech at the VP debate.
You have video of Kamala and Clinton say it in interviews per the links I provided and you have social media companies testifying under oath that the establishment intimidated them into censoring speech.
It's just weird as fuck to see literal videos of them saying they will end free speech and then say it is some weird conspiracy.
Evidence from recent polling suggests 60% of democrats support restrictions on free speech suggesting that I n isn't political suicide for the establishment to clamp down on free speech as well
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Hillary Clinton has said by not censoring social media the Government will lose "total control control of what people think"
Tim waltz in the VP debate also discussed ending free speech.
I am going to miss having discussions with you, but ai will not be abke to risk it under the next administration. I will pray for you guys
Kamala harris has said she will also go after free speech.
We have Elon Musk and Zuckerberg admitting the government intimidated them into censoring free speech.
If Trump loses this relection this site may not be legal to visit after January 20th and I just wanted you guys to be aware if you wake up on Jan 21 and cannot access the site. This site is a place to debate different opinions and if Kamala harris should take office than no unapproved opinions will be tolerated and this site will be shut down. I would urge you all to support free speech but not push too hard because I do not want to see anyone here in prison.
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@Mall
Liberals worship government, so they aren't really without God
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@Reece101
It depends on a few things. I can see 3 possible scenarios. 2 where I am guilty and one where I am innocent. If I am innocent of corruption than I would defend my innocence . If I am guilty I would have to decide the impacts of me resigning or not. If I thought resigning would significantly harm the country than i wouldn't do it.
I would hope that I would be honest about my corruption and seek repentance though.
I also think it matters what type of corruption it was. Was it giving a person a job they were under qualified for? Like a DEI hire or a relative? Than it may just require repentance and promising to be completely blind to anything other than merit in the future. If it's something more serious like having political enemies arrested on charges that would not normally be brought or if it was making money off the office or accepting bribes than I can't see many scenarios where you should do anything other than resign and apologize.
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@IlDiavolo
I guess you meant to say "anti christ" and not "anti chest". The only prophecy that speaks of an antichrist is the bible. Is that where you get all of it?
You brought up prophecy so I thought it might be fun to as well. Yes it is from the bible but more specifically from the various interpretations of those prophecies by Jerry b Jenkins and Tim laheye
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@FLRW
Yes, it's better to let American die because they can't get tested because of the shortage of testing devices.
There is no shortage and Russia is not sealed off so whatever we can do to help stop the spread is good. Not sure why you want Americans to die simply to own putin
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@Barney
One can criticize a giant douche, without embracing a turd sandwich.
I would agree accept for the genocidal chants of from the river to the sea they engage in and the obviously false propaganda they help spread.
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You won't believe this but she has just released an ad criticizing Trump's hurricane response.
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@MarkWebberFan2
I am learning some stuff from you in these responses, so my responses are only my first impressions given I don't know more than what you have written about kafars and dhimmis.
In their situations I would like to think I would still work against Islam, but I am not in their shoes so I don't want to judge too harshly.
You mentioned they will go on TV and say stuff like "it is so nice living under Sharia law because I can pray"
It's disgusting. Whay society would ban anyone from praying? What are Muslims comparing themselves to?
Even the Chinese won't stop you from praying and they are pretty oppressive towards religion in general.
I wonder if there are people in North Korea right now who are like "Kim Jung Un is not so bad, he allows me over 20 minutes to take a shit".
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@IlDiavolo
Israel should disappear and muslims should solve the problem of islamic extremism by themselves.
They won't because what you don't understand is it is written in the Quran and they won't stop until they dominate the world.
This is why the crusades happened. They were enslaving Christians and abusing them.
Israel won't disappear. It's just wishful thinking.. Russia will at some point launch a nuke at it, but some unknown technology will intercept the nuke. This will make the world scared and they will sign a 7 year peace treaty with Israel, this will be followed by the rise of the anti chest and 7 years of trials and tribulations. Israel does not disappear though because the Wailing wall exists where the two witnesses will return
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@Double_R
Then why did you respond to the January 6th stuff while ignoring the direct refutations I offered against the points you made there?
That's a fair point.
You stated that I framed it as the media lying which is true. This followed a shorter conversation with chat GPT where I was trying to understand the motivations of the media and brought up a few examples. One example was the bloodbath comment that the media seems to outright say or insinuate that Trump intends to lead a violent revolution, when the fuller context of the speech was that trade would be a bloodbath. Chat GPT defended the media a bit by saying that there could be studio pressures to frame the speech a certain way or maybe that the journalists have it in their mind that Trump is already dangerous so are more inclined to interpret things he says in a certain way and it mentioned that maybe the journalists typically are too busy to get full context anyway.
After this I got into a conversation and we discussed how the media harms its own case by sensationalism and spin. I was a bit confused or maybe concerned because I felt like if there is a legitimate threat to democracy than it would be hard for me and many other people to trust the media and act accordingly given their propensity to exaggerate or give dishonest takes (even if u intentionally so)
This is where I wanted to drill more down into media motivations because although I do buy into some of the reasons for the spin, I also feel like a lot of the media is knowingly being dishonest so I pressed it and asked what would motivate rational actors if they know they are spinning an event a certain way.
The criticism shouldn't be about me suggesting the media is lying. Yes sure you can call it sensationalismnor exaggeration but the criticism of the prompt I thought might be the most problematic is the suggestion to treat the members of the media as rational actors since most people in general it can be argued are not rational, but I wanted to give people I disagree with a chance by trying to understand why they would rationally do something.
I should note that part of this is an attempt to deconstruct my own beliefs and it helped to an extent because it helped me understand a variety of motives the media had.
As for your second criticism of treating the media as a single entity. When I am analyzing media it is typically legacy media such as CNN or MSNBC and they typically act in similar fashions. I have noticed both stations shifting a bit which confuses me but I am trying to understand specifically the legacy liberal media, and if we want to be more specific than the television media.
Print media is typically higher quality unless you are going to journalists in salon or something, and that is less co fusing for me because the salon types are usually just activists masquerading as journalists anyway and when I read articles by high IQ liberals they seem to be co.ing from a different place than the journalists I see on TV. It's the ones on TV I am trying to understand precisely because good liberal journalists in print media usually spell out their case well enough so that there is no mystery. There is also some independent journalists like Johnny Harris who I think do an excellent job, but my curiosity is around the legacy T.V. journalists.
I am not attempting to conflate all of media, but trying to understand a specific slice of media and I think when most people say "media" they really do mean fox news, CNN and MSNBC and HLN. It's not technically what the word means but what most people think of when you say media.
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This is how retarded history buff is. Do you think I would struggle to say that George Soros or Warren Buffet are smart?
I wouldn't but since Elon Musk is supportive of Trump it randomly means he is low IQ and just randomly built PayPal, randomly lucked out and made tesla a billion dollar company and got lucky and randomly ended the bleeding of Twitter.
I wouldn't but since Elon Musk is supportive of Trump it randomly means he is low IQ and just randomly built PayPal, randomly lucked out and made tesla a billion dollar company and got lucky and randomly ended the bleeding of Twitter.
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This is an open letter to those criticizing Israel's response to 10/7.
You guys are mostly immature and naive idiots. War is ugly. The realities are hidden from you and it started being hidden after the Vietnam War. The reason for this is that images from war can easily become propaganda and cause democratic nations to back down.
Usually you have an option between two strategies to win a war when it is unevenly matched enemies. The first option is quick but nasty and this was preferred prior to the use of a lot of war photography in propaganda. The other option is slow and much prettier looking.
The quick nasty way was preferable because it was believed it was less devastating to civilians in the long run despite the immediate hardships. However the ugliness is what made nations shift towards slow and steady invasions.
Some of the criticism of Israel is that they are doing things quick and dirty instead of trying to engage in a war that lasts 100 years but looks less ugly.
However I just want you idiots already trying to intellectualize a response here or use some sort of circular logic about how Hamas is the good guys and Israel bad. At least have the balls to look at the following site that documented the atrocities of October 7th. Look at every image and every video.
If you are not a pussy, you will do it. If you have an ounce of humanity in you and you see what the fuck happened than you will realize why actions need to be taken to make sure this never ever happens again.
If you are a female I suggest you do not click on the link at all and just shut the fuck up about politics, but if you are any sort of man and you want to take a side than you owe it to both sides to get the full story and look at every single one of these images and videos
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@IlDiavolo
Don't be a pussy. Take a look at what actually set this all off.
Don't try to intellectualize this. Just take a look. Go through every part of this site. See if it speaks to you.
If you go through that site and still tell me that Hamas is not the bad guys or try to continually call this a war on Palestinians and not Hamas then just go fuck yourself.
You won't go through the site though because you know the horror is real and you are trying to protect yourself and feel justified in laying the bulk of the blame of this war on the victim. A victim that was bombarded with rockets even before that event and yet turned the other cheek when any other country would ha e invaded with even one rocket attack, America included.
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@HistoryBuff
how do we know that? Israel is busy committing atrocities left and right and Iran has been very restrained in their responses so far. how do you know what they would do with a hypothetical nuke?
I am done talking to you. Feel free to come in my threads and address the premises I make, but it's obvious your intention is to take the conversation off track.
Your opinions are just terrible. It wasn't a scare tactic to say Iran was close to nukes. They were close when George Bush deployed stuxnet to stop them and they were close when Obama started assassinating nuclear engineers and aisrael did targeted bombings of nuclear facilities.
You have zero interest in the truth and you probably have too low of an IQ to honestly engage in discussion if you tried anyway.
If I ever start my own site an IQ test will be required to keep retards like you away.
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This isn't like north Korea or Russia who can be reasoned with. IRAN IS RELIGIOUS NUTS
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@HistoryBuff
Bro it's a good ideal to nuke Iran. They are very close to a nuclear weapon and we know they will use it, so we might as well act preemptively
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@Double_R
This thread is not so much about the case for trump as it was about analyzing whether the media is being sincere when they state that Trump is a danger.
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@MarkWebberFan2
What do you think about christian dhimmis who willingly accept Sharia law
Cowards or perhaps the option is death or obeying.
and christian protestants who willingly support israel? In your opinion, are they hypocrites for holding these positions?
They are probably hypocrites but not necessarily so. Perhaps they see Israel as the lesser of 2 evils or perhaps they think it's in America or whatever nation they are it's best interest to support Israel. I won't judge then too harshly.
In your opinion, is Christianity a force for good?
Yes, one of the things that has made me start considering what version of Christianity to follow is Jesus's statement to judge a tree by the fruit it bears and though ai am not catholic or orthodox, I am co sideline converting for that reason though I want to dig deeper into Constantine before I do
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Other outside threats include trade with other countries that are willing to operate under a loss for market capture and
Other issues include the ideology when taken to uts logical conclusion is actually quite oppressive (though this is more difficult to outline)
And
In a libertarian society you could easily end up in the same exact society we have now so it's hard to critique this society. (I will get into why at some later point)
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This sort of thing is why I stopped being a libertarian. Other thought experiments were people shooting a gun in the air to celebrate new years and the threat of falling bullets. In a libertarian society you create a lot more danger, and would only punish the guy whose bullet fell on a child, but it would be impossible to find the guy because you can't bam the shooting of a gun in the air so it would be wide spread.
I have a bout 3 thought experiments that turned me more towards conservatism. One of the biggest reasons may have been that the ideology only works if you do not allow your populations minds to be polluted towards socialism and it is impossible to prevent that without violating your own principles.
This is where paleo conservatism comes in. It does allow some modifications to a generally libertarian philosophy that is responsive to threats to a generally libertarian society.
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@Moozer325
That’s good advice. More people should hear it really
Maybe I have taken it too far though
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@MarkWebberFan2
Well, the Quran also prophesized correctly Jews' attempt at improving their standing on the international stage. It also talked about Jews' attempt at peacemaking and firing from afar.
This is maybe going to be the difference between me and you. I see Islam as a threat and stupid and quite obviously false.
However atheistic Jews have an issue of promoting stuff like open borders, homesexuality, etc. And are always at the forefront of any large social push for degeneracy. They for example are the biggest producers of porn, they help produce gangster rap and they have taken control of many institutions.
Theistic Jews I can give a pass to but the atheistic ones are harming society and Islams critiques if the social decay that has accompanied this are fair.
Congrats on your recent conversion to Christianity by the way. I probably would have phrased my earlier responses differently had I known of it. I thought I was talking to an atheist and did not want my points to be missed by presupposing Christianity as true in our communications
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@MarkWebberFan2
It is baffling that your average far-right leadership is cowering to Islam.
I don't disagree that politicians are cowards and opportunists.
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@HistoryBuff
Trump's policies started the trend. Covid shot it through the roof. then biden fixed it. It's now back down to pretty much target levels.
He was in office when covid was happening and left with 1% inflation LOL and yes employment levels have increased since democrats started to let people go back to work.
wait, so to you liberals and the far right are the same thing?
If your definition of far right is George Bush you are a fucking retard
trump had EXACTLY the same policies as every other republican president. The only difference between trump and other republican presidents is his personality, not his policy.
You are sincerely a retard if you think everyone on both side of the aisle started panicking because he has the same exact policies as George bush
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@Double_R
I signed my name to a fake check at the grocery store the other day. I wasn't committing fraud, I was challenging the bank's position that I didn't have any money in my account.
Yes that is the exact same thing as telling people to peacefully protest
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It was only a matter of time before this jackass discovered the Temple of set and started larping with it
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@Moozer325
For a time, my views were basically Liberal = good without any thought to the actually issue at hand
Same for me. My dad told me that liberals are for poor people and Republicans for rich people and I was poor so it was natural that I was a libtard. Once I started reading up on economics I realized my dad was a piece of shit liar because liberal policies actually harm poor people while republican policies pull people out of poverty.
Once I stopped with this, I moved towards the center on some issues, not too many though.
If you are the center on issues than that makes you a republican because of how off the walls democrats gave gotten.
Maybe I’ll gradually drop more of my beliefs, but we’ll see how it goes.
Drop them all. I dropped every single one of mine. I built more and ai did it again, I built more and ai did it again. I never stop deconstructing and attacking my own beliefs
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@HistoryBuff
This is a common thing dumb people do to play games with data. The economy is doing staggeringly well. Far, far better than it did under trump. The inflation issue you are describing (which started under trump and biden had to fix)
Inflation was at 1% when Trump left office
You want to pretend like this is somehow the democrats fault, but that is just ridiculous.
Libtards and their ideological equals the neocons have been in power for the last 75 years other than when Trump was President for 4 years so not sure who you think should be blamed
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@HistoryBuff
So are we just picking cities at random? How about LA to Selma Alabama. I can pick cities at random too lol.
I have seen skid row. Selma is superior. It's also not picking cities at random. You know that liberal cities are worse. In fact go look at the quality of life in a city like Chicago when it was predominantly republican and compare it to the quality of life now. Again you already know this though so just show some intellectual honesty and state your real reason for supporting obviously harmful policies.
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@MarkWebberFan2
a literal satanic cult.
It's interesting you describe it this way, but honestly it seems more true than you may realize. The book of revelation speaks of a one world religion. It speaks of beheading Christians who essentially opt out of paying jizya.
I can see a lot of similarities to the religion and the one world religion prophesied
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@MarkWebberFan2
Aren't the far right gaining more ground in european elections? Any political mastermind should've considered the possibility of being the ultimate "savior of western civilization". The insraelis can claim that title right now by declaring war on Islam. That's positive PR. The fact that israel is exercising restraint makes me think that Netanyahu is a coward. He literally won a recent election, he should just start saying Islam is a dirty barbaric black hole.
The far right is gaining ground but they are still outsiders. It is a battle for the soul of Europe. Today's vs of liberalism is suicidal.
The Overton window is just not in a place to attack Islam like that. Israel has Muslims in their military and a lot of Muslim citizens so politically they have to be careful what they say or be unelectable.
There is another overlooked downside. You and me are familiar enough with the Quran to know it is a bigoted book. However there is a decent sized minority of Muslims who don't realize it, and I wonder if pointing it out to these Muslims who are unaware would backfire and instead of turning them away from Islam They just lean into fundamentalist beliefs and become dangerous.
I think the solution is probably for people with Western values to unite under Christian values, probably orthodoxy or catholicism so you can go to war with Islam under the banner of religious freedom.
Until Islam is wiped out you can't really unite secular people against the threat. I think sensible atheists are starting to realize this as well and it's why you have people starting to call themselves cultural Christians.
My sister was a hardcore liberal until she got into the church and it wrecked part of her mind but made another part of her mind more sensible. You have to think of power vacuums. The church becoming weaker has made people leave their faith and you left your faith and embraced rationality but not all people do. A lot of these people just replace a God centered religion with the secular religion of humanism or with woke ideology. Neither ideology is prepared to deal with the spread and threat of radical Islam.
The crusades are the only reason we aren't under a one world religion as we speak, and mankind has forgotten why the crusades were necessary, so I think that once again it is just going to take Christians to beat back this threat and then we can worry about transitioning people to rationalism after the threat is taken care of, or we can just look at Christianity as a necessary evil that's existence stops the spread of the woke mind virus and keeps radical Islam in check.
I know that it's partially just the Jews digging their own grave. Jews push for mass i.migration more than anyone and are just too shortsighted to see that eventually a nuclear power will have a democratically elected Muslim who will not mind sending a nuke at Israel and the consequences of the action be damned.
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@IlDiavolo
You must be kidding. Over 11k palestinian children have died in the last 12 months so this is technically a genocide,
That's not the definition of genocide.
If you didn't notice the whole world is condemning these attacts too and the conflict is escalating into a regional war which tells you how aggresive the jews are.
You do know that if aisrael laid down all their weapons right now then they would be invaded and slaughtered, while if any of the people they are at war with did the same exact thing, those people would live in peace.
While it's true that terrorists use the civilians as shield, there must be another way to fight them.
The options are to cave to them when civilians are used as shields or to attack and not give a shit. If they cave then it incentivizes the practice and in the long run puts more civilians at risk. It's the same thing the south American drug cartels were doing. You kill civilians or use them as shields and the state backs down and the practice is repeated. October 7th was a wake up call for how dangerous the practice was, which is why the plan for Israel to retreat so they could continue to use civilian hostages as a bargaining chip backfired.
The Israelis routinely do stuff like warn civilians or they have been known to knock on the roofs of terrorist strong holds so civilians can retreat and give away a strategic advantage in doing so. Their enemies do not give the same courtesy.
I think you should honestly check the fact that you currently have higher standards for aisrael then you do Hamas or any other terrorist organization they are fighting. The higher standards are an admission that you realize that Israel is morally superior and more likely to listen to reason.
It may be a form of racism on your part to tacitly treat these people as inferior child like persons.
the palestinians are in fact the only victims of this conflict because they seem to be more or less happy living toghether with the jews.
The Palestinians would kill a jew on site in Gaza while Israel has 1 million Muslims in their borders who are in fact more successful than the ajews in the borders with a higher percentage as doctors, lawyers etc.
On the other hand, if you want to find out when this conflict started, I would say since the jews stepped in these terroritories and created the israeli state
The territories were virtually empty when they got there. It is a desert. However who gives a shit.
The jews are only there because they (or the zionists) think they are the chosen people that need to obey a "God" that promised them a prosperous state
Well Israel is prosperous so there may be something to that. I don't really care why they are there. Most of the palestinian population was literally shipped there from Arab regions literally just to be a thorn in their side. I don't care about that either, bit neither side was "naturally" there. Who cares. Maybe your grandpa moved to the country you lived in for religious reasons. It doesn't matter.
And this is the subject matter of this thread, to make visible the stupidity of the abrahamic religions.
Some people cheer too hard for the defeat of barbarism it's definitely not a good thing that anybody on either side has to die. You do admit in this perhaps unintentionally that fundamentalist thinking is the root of a lot of problems. The part you seem to be missing is that Israel state is pretty much secular and their war is against fundamentalist with a literal interpretation of the Quran. You just happen to be coming down on the side of a fundamentalist abrahamic religion here
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@HistoryBuff
The economy is doing well. IE companies are making tons of money, the stock market is way up, unemployment is down. And the democratic run areas of the country are doing better than the red areas of the country.
Go live in Detroit or Chicago then go live in Jupiter Island and tell me the blue cities are doing better
Literally everyone can barely afford to eat now due to inflation and you are pointing to stock prices and employment levels LOL.
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That was a deconstruction of my beliefs anyway. Once I realized they were wrong it was a slow built up and when I lay the new beliefs out some idiots call me a liberal so I try to avoid it.
Essentially I am
Against open borders
Against abortion after the first trimester unless there is a good medical reason for it.
I believe in a decentralized economy
Non interventionism
Pro 2nd amendment
Pro 1st amendment
The liberals I interact with on the site are all the opposite of the views I listed.
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@Moozer325
Can't believe I missed that, my bad. With a brief Google search (I could be wrong) but this seems more of just a theory, and not data. I'm not saying it doesn't have merit, it's just not really proven IMO.
The theory is based on the results of several studies which is why I told you where to find his research. Data alone does not give us a theory, we have to interpret that data.
Yeah, it must be so hard to not change your worldview when provided with contradictory evidence, (that was a joke, don't take it too seriously.)
No I get it. It was hard for me to change my world view. I was bombarded by liberal media, liberal schools and every facet of entertainment being liberal. So even when I saw contradictory evidence for the longest time I would say "well maybe the establishment is o ly lying about this one thing" it took a lot of contradictory evidence to change my mind. I am just fortunate to live in a country that despite complete institutional capture there are still avenues to get contradictory information and hear both sides of an argument.
Both sides lie, on purpose or not, but there are media sources on both sides who do their best to be honest and independent. It's better to judge on those sources, and not MSNBC and Fox.
I know I know. I looked at the best liberal minds and used to eat that stuff up. Whether it was Michael Moore, or Karl Marx. I really just used to believe that stuff without much critical thought.
It was funny. I had like this whole list of beliefs and I remember the first thing that really woke me out of it was I grabbed a book by Glenn Beck. It was "an Inconvenient Book". I remember being embarrassed to get it from the library and I didn't expect it to be a threat to my belief system because it was just that idiot Glenn Beck and then he laid out my entire ideology in the book. It was like he could read my mind.
After laying out my entire philosophy, the one handed to me by my parents and by me watching Michael Moore documentaries etc., he then went onto systematically destroy each and every one of my beliefs.
I almost didn't pick up the book and my life probably would have been different if I didn't because it was such a good deconstruction, and seemed geared to me personally. I had just spent the past 2 years exclusively researching energy policy and had exhausted the libraries resources for studying it. I think I only picked up the book because it had a tiny section on energy policy butnI ended up reading the whole thing.
Now as far as you saying conservatives lie, I get that. For example the media will claim a lot of statements are lies and they just look at the conclusions and never example the more complex arguments but I suggest you look at the sophisticated premises provided and ignore the biased fact checkers
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Bottom line, he tried to overthrow democracy. Both before the 2020 election, and afterwards. He did so using illegal methods for which he is awaiting trial. There is no question he is a dangerous
The court system was weaponized though and the only argument you have is he challenged election results. It's not illegal to be skeptical of the absolute fairness of a process
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lol no. Trying to block public funding is not "accepting stolen goods". The government wants to spend money to make the country better.
This is this issues with liberalism in general. We understand the goal is to make the country better but economic intervention makes it worse take a look at the eco comic freedom index
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