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@zedvictor4
The trolley prevents zero deaths
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@AustinL0926
You said you were literally NP1 innocent child.
Saying
I am literally np1 innocent child
Does not sound like a soft claim
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This post is also scummy........................... well it is not on my clipboard for some reason but page 7 of dp1 he asks the cop to out themselves to save the miller as if it is worth doing that to prevent a mislynch on dp1
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@CatholicApologetics
are you really immune except for Mafia visits or did you just say that because you thought scum would be dumb enough to visit you? They won't be so it's best if you just open up about whether that was a trap or not?
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@Dr.Franklin
that's not a bad choice either. Its one of the few non evil choices
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@whiteflame
I assume that is austin's confirmation. He silenced Pie. Calling it now.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Okay, sure. Let's do that.Now what?
every utopian vision begins with genocide. One generation of sacrifice. So maybe start with eliminating those with an IQ of less than 100, then you increease reproduction rates of those with an IQ above 140. This will create what is known as an "intelligence explosion" or some would call it the technological singularity. The other option is waiting for the AI explosion to happen naturally and to bring in the utopian future seen in Wally, except we will have drugs to keep us thin
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yeah because mortgage brokers give a shit about skin color and not their commission check. You guys are retarded
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I do understand why barney fake claimed, but scum must have knwon what his fake claim meant
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pie said I would definitely be redirected, which is bothering me but austin also claimed he would be town confirmed today.
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joebob randomizing me, tells me he thought I was on the right track, I assume
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@whiteflame
its the latter. I targeted you originally and changed it last second to catholic apologetic because his claim was bothering me
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@Swagnarok
I didn't have a word for it before but have seen this essentially said by a bunch of antifederalists. It's correct in my opinion
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@Swagnarok
Wait, was that one guy on DDO like 7 years ago just your alt?
unlikely. I never got banned on DDO and kept the same name the entire time I was there
Also, isn't this pretty much a truism? Who would positively assert that long term thinking is bad? Doesn't everyone pay lip service to this ideal?
everyone pays lip service but many would say after more careful thought that the long off future is unknowable so it is better to focus on things we can more clearly see. Keynes often criticized economists who prioritized theories of long term events over actions that can be taken now to alleviate knowable current suffering.
Others would argue that it is better to make sure our institutions are capable of dealing with a wider variety of potentialities than focusing on some potentiality a million years in the future.
longtermism is essentially utilitarianism taken to it's logical conclusion and focused on saving hundreds of trillions of future people at the expense of current people.
If your point is that you've abandoned partisan politics in favor of making "longtermism" the core criterion you use to directly make political decisions, then what does this look like exactly?
I have my opinions about partisan politics but my life purpose is to advance the human race towards the ability to achieve an indefinite lifespan, which is why I am shortly to leave the site
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Policy is unimportant anyway. The more important question is whether we should value future lives equally to current lives and if so how should we serve the hundreds of trillions of future people, even if it means sacrificing ourselves or genociding millions?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Could you be more specific on what you advocate doing about these? Seems like if you aren't actually proposing something it's just mental masturbation.
Yes so this is mostly mental masturbation, but one policy would be putting a camera or requiring a camera in everyone's house for constant government monitoring for any progress towards a doomsday device or chemical weapons that could destroy the earth being created. Yes this is a real policy position promoted by longtermists
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@Greyparrot
So you don't disavow. I disavow. It's way better and the media will say you do not disavow if you do not say disavow
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@Greyparrot
Most racists don't say "nigger" nowadays. They use proper terms like "disadvantaged"
That sounds very posh and just for my own benefit. I disavow that liberal who used that word instead of the word disadvantaged to promote anti black policies
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I grew up with a table in my parent’s finished basement. But I wouldn’t hang out with anyone who uses the N word as an adult. That’s just one of the many ways you and I have different values.
You made it abundently clear that pedigree matters more than merit in your opinion, so this is untrue. I guess you could be a racist who doesn't use the word nigger, but it is very unlikely.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What if Trump takes a 10 million dollar bribe from a foreign country and causes the country to not have a peaceful transfer of power? Then will you admit he’s a moron unfit for the office?
You are really twisting things to get that conclusion, even if it is true 10 million is better than 54 million from a far more dangerous adversary
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@Double_R
So in 4 years after none of that happens will you then admit that you don't know what you're talking about and was just getting caught up in political propaganda?
yes and when trump doesn't do a holocaust will you admit the same?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Is there an example of a different proscriptive position that can be drawn from longtermism you could point to? One that maybe has a little more of a real world application?
Most of it is going to be avoiding existential threats to society. the theory is that future people are 10^45, which has a lot more zeros than the 7 billion current humans, so almost all policy should be about avoiding existential threats to mankind's continued existence. Like I argue in the debate and show the EV calculation. This ideology would make it acceptable to kill 80 million Germans if there was a mere 1 in a million chance, somebody in the country could succesfully create a doomsday device.
The existential threats longterminists are most concerned about is runaway super intelligent AI, and things that explain the Fermi paradox. SO no if one took control of the country they would not have policy positions on things like gay rights, economic policy etc. If they did it would come after herculean efforts to stop unlikely existential threats to mankind, particularly ones given as an answer for the Fermi paradox.
Maybe, sound like a bunch of unfuckable tech bros to me but I admit I am going off of limited information.
This is accurate other then the part where you claim tech bros are unfuckable.
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Pew study finds there are 8 groups of voters. See this article; https://www.npr.org/2021/11/09/1053929419/feel-like-you-dont-fit-in-either-political-party-heres-why
You can take the test here to determine where you stand https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/quiz/political-typology/
Here are the 8 positions.
Faith and Flag Conservatives (10% of the public)
Committed Conservatives (7%)
Populist Right (11%)
Ambivalent Right (12%)
Stressed Sideliners (15%)
Outsider Left (10%)
Democratic Mainstays (16%)
Establishment Liberals (13%)
Progressive Left (6%)
Committed Conservatives (7%)
Populist Right (11%)
Ambivalent Right (12%)
Stressed Sideliners (15%)
Outsider Left (10%)
Democratic Mainstays (16%)
Establishment Liberals (13%)
Progressive Left (6%)
I will say it did incorrectly type me as being a committed conservative. I am definitely a populist. Here is me taking the test if you are unaware of what the objectively correct opinion to have on each issue is https://youtu.be/H6qyKgYk4y8
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@Greyparrot
All actual military are offended when someone embellishes their military career for personal gain. I don't think I told you what I actually did in the military?
No and I probably forgot anything you told me
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Well this is the class of lowlifes you meet in your circle
Perhaps you are the same guy. How good is your pool game?
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@Greyparrot
It's posts like these that give me comfort on the reality of incompetent doxxers. That incompetence usually goes hand in hand with being a stolen valor larper who gets themselves banned on a liberal chat site.
Remember when I found out who you were and told Barney to consider letting you know what information you gave that led me to that conclusion?
I can confirm you are a fulltime teacher and your military history for any retard that believes IWRA. I do doubt his service though since Marines aren't usually faggots that are like "Yes I should totally get a bunch of welfare and we should legalize pedophilia". Usually they are opposed to those things.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
longtermism is more likely to be adopted by these lesswrong people who do not neatly align as left or right but I think you would find them left wing in a lot of respects.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Sorry for letting IWRA distract me. It isn't that making fun of conservative Democrats like him is more fun than making fun of right wingers
I feel like he is secretly what all Democrats are on the inside. The part they hide. I had a friend I megt playing pool and he was a very outspoken Democrat, but he would also say stuff like "I would never let my daughter date a nigger", It was then that I realised they really do see the poor as inferior and it explains why they choose to use the same policies that created places like skidrow in LA. The woke tards I assume are people with 2 digit IQ's that got tricked into siding with these Democrats. Understandable since they hide what I have seen and for whatever reason let their mask slip around me
t's just that there are more right wingers on the site than conservative Democrats. Supply and demand, you know how it is
That's fair actually.
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@Greyparrot
Not to mention the economic freedom index which categorizes countries by how Laissez Faire they are
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I had about a 4 month period in my life where I wore a lot of digital fatigues, because I though they were cool, but then random people started thanking me for my service, so I had to stop wearing it.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What would be the long term effect of abolishing the capital class's monopsony on labor?
The capital class is a myriad of people. Granted most of them are evil. I think about 90% vote democrat. I guess it depends on the plan to abolish it. I think a Laissez faire system would likely cause us to return to everyone essentially being a small business owner and increase happiness.
In the longtermism view those policies do not mean much in the grand scheme of things. Even genocide is relatively harmless in the grand scheme of things and efforts should be redirected to almost solely trying to mitigate the threat of existential threats to existence. The following debate gives my argument for why... https://www.debateart.com/debates/5659-the-united-states-should-nuke-germany-see-description-for-full-resolution
I will probably need somebody to actually take the con position on that debate at some point as american debater has a habit of accepting my debates and then when he sees the argument is challenging he acts like a coward and runs away
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The following site will give you 30 variations of the trolley problem which you can answer. https://neal.fun/absurd-trolley-problems/
I personally go over each of my answers here https://youtu.be/5ibMYXwouhw
Anyway, I ended up killing 72 people, and my son killed 71, so let's see if by answering honestly you can get a lower death toll. Also, it will be fun to watch you guys recording yourself going through the game if you are up for it.
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@Sidewalker
Not great, but much better, you will probably stay in good standing with your Aryan brothers with this, but it's still a little weak.
Why do you think, caring about the quality of life for future generations makes somebody racist?
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mine did not explain what a vigilante does, but pie has a point about it revealing a lot if the lynch goes through
VTL CASEY
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@AustinL0926
I mean maybe I will vote her but owen half assed these PMs. I don't think he neccesarily explained it
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@Sidewalker
You forgot about "bloodbath", "World War 3", and the "Total breakdown of civilization".
You are voting for that and deserve it, the rest of us don't. If you hate America just leave. Don't vote for it's destruction. You are likely the people who voted for Hitler's party and being smug. Those people deserve what happened to them post WW2 and you will deserve what happens to you for promoting evil
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@Double_R
The irony of hating the media for lying about the most prolific liar we have ever seen in American politics is insane.
Before Biden dropped out, I looked at the lies he listed and it was things like "I have the biggest crowds". It's stupid immature criticisms of obvious hyperbole. Granted Biden is not the media but if the media is lying about somebody than you can't claim to be the good guys. We all know the media is evil. A good media and I may form a media organization so we have one, only covers things in a very disinterested way. I may even avoid headlines in my company and just do an article date because sometimes they even use headlines to lie and try to cover it up by giving almost the opposite opinion in the article.
For example instead of covering press briefings as fact, I would probably just live stream the press briefing with zero commentary so people can make up their own mind and I don't accidentally insert any bias or lies
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@Double_R
Just like we did after 2020
While true that everyone's lives got worse after 2020 due to inflation mainly but also a decrease in the safety of people as well I wouldn't call that a depression. A depression is coming though and while it is possible even Trump could not avoid it, we know harris is incapable of avoiding it
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Nick Bostrom estimates that the future populations of earth will contain 100 trillion potential persons should we avoid any existential threats to human existence.
if we focus on stopping a genocide of 10 million people here and there than it could actually distract from us focusing our entire effort on avoiding existential threats to our existence. even a 1 in a million chance of a super AI destroying our existence in the famous grey goo scenario, we should still focus more heavily on preventing that potential over stopping a genocide of 10 million people.
A genocide of 10 million people is a loss of 10 million. so expected loss of 10 million, while a 1 in a million existential threat would have and expected loss of 100,000,000
so ev of genocide is -10 million
and ev of existential threat is -100 million
Keep in mind that 100 trillion is a conservative estimate if we don't look at human-level AI. So if we keep this in mind then it is unethical to waste time stopping a genocide when we could be hit by a meteor that destroys earth and potentially kills hundreds of trillions of people in future generations that do not yet exist. by removing any modern worry and only focusing the governments on eliminating existential threats to future generations, we may save trillions of lives and it is very irresponsible to allow things like preventing genocide distract us from saving lives.
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Why are you catholic apologist anyway, You guys don't have anything to apologize for. Well except for the spread of Abrahamic religions which will cause WW3 due to Muslims existing, but it's between you guys and Jews as to who is more responsible for that. Before Abrahamic religions, white people just lived in peace with nature and there were no world wars etc. If not for Abrahamic religions we would literally have world peace right now
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@CatholicApologetics
What are you thinking?
Please list players in order of most masculine to least masculine and then give us your scum and town reads
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well actually is some shit retarded redditors say. It's like if you mention you use linux as an OS, and you get the retarded line. Well actually linux is a kernel.
No bitch. one you are a bitch for not keeping your lips sealed but 2.
here is a real interaction I had with a redditor just this morning
"I use Linux as my operating system," I state proudly to the unkempt, bearded man. He swivels around in his desk chair with a devilish gleam in his eyes, ready to mansplain with extreme precision. "Actually", he says with a grin, "Linux is just the kernel. You use GNU+Linux!' I don't miss a beat and reply with a smirk, "I use Alpine, a distro that doesn't include the GNU Coreutils, or any other GNU code. It's Linux, but it's not GNU+Linux." The smile quickly drops from the man's face. His body begins convulsing and he foams at the mouth and drops to the floor with a sickly thud. As he writhes around he screams "I-IT WAS COMPILED WITH GCC! THAT MEANS IT'S STILL GNU!" Coolly, I reply "If windows were compiled with GCC, would that make it GNU?" I interrupt his response with "-and work is being made on the kernel to make it more compiler-agnostic. Even if you were correct, you won't be for long." With a sickly wheeze, the last of the man's life is ejected from his body. He lies on the floor, cold and limp. I've womansplained him to death.
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America will enter a great depression if Trump loses, so not exactly something to celebrate
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@Best.Korea
Biden won by 7 million votes difference.So yeah, if the only people prefering republicans are old people over 50, then it doesnt look good for the republicans.
you are a retard who doesn't realize how trends work or know that people get more conservative as they age and study things like economics. Stop clogging up my thread about longtermism with stupid shit irrelevent to the topic.
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@Best.Korea
All what we know for sure is that democrats gain more and more votes every election
this isn't true though. look st share of black votes, hispaci votes and youth vote for trump now vs 2020 or 2016. Some of these trends are still 20 years off but still coming and liberals are panicking and literally fighting to count illegal alien votes
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@Best.Korea
JD Vance is a fag. We are pro gay now dumbass. Opposing pedophilia does not mean opposing gay marriage
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@Best.Korea
Nothing I said contradicts that. Stop being a complete retard. Just be half retarded. I was pointing to trends as to where we are heading as far as party indentification is concerne
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@Best.Korea
oes the argument of youth being mostly democrat really hurt so much? Do the numbers confuse you, how republicans reproduce more but most of the kids in USA are democrats?
No it just doesn't really address the trends I pointed out. We know that as people get older and acquire more knowledge they learn that communism is bad so vote republican and we also know that kids from republican parents are more likely to become republicans than ones of liberal parents. We also know that conservatives are reproducing more than liberals and that the latest generation is about 30% conservative up from previous generations starting out as 90% conservative so the demographic shift towards people who want border security, who do believe that some people should be allowed to own guns and who oppose pedophilia are growing in number
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