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@oromagi
All politicians in any context?
No, just some politicians at the moment who won't be named just because I value not getting visits from the FBI, and I have no specific names in mind for this thought experiment.
Just full on reign of terror all the time?
Just a few well placed reigns of terror to remind people in positions of power, that their choices have consequences not just for us, but for them.
Mandela said everybody is a politician in a democracy:
Well he died in prison and never accomplished much so.....
if true, oughtn't we shoot ourselves first?
Even if true, no. I am saying we have a moral obligation to kill atleast a few politicians, not all politicians.
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@bsh1
Where are you. This is important.
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@Vaarka
I'll be on soon. But can't read while driving unlike most of the drivers around here
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1. Warren
Sign ups closed. Pms will go out tonight and so will the DP
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@blamonkey
Thabk you. It taught me some stuff
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This is a solo mafia game. I will only be accepting one player. Sign ups below.
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@Zeichen
I'll get you a giftcard for forever 21, if you win.
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@bsh1
Are you ignoring me? Debate me like a man, in a hang out where we can have the audience judge, not where you can have your lackey can ban me and sabatoge the debate results. You cannot beat me in a legit debate can you? Even when a $50 mcdonalds or starbucks gift card is promised to you.
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@Zeichen
Join tonight. I actually am still a bit skeptical of the being a girl claims. I'll see if I can get zarroette to join and prove she is a female also. We need both of you guys together in the same hangout.
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@DrChristineFord
I hope virtuoso will meet me in person in a few days at a local resteraunt or bar where we can scream at each other about whether we should shoot sitting senators in the head or not, but I don't believe it will happen until it does happen.
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Please write or link guides below.
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@DrChristineFord
Thank you, It will if somebody shows interest, but apparently nobody disagrees with me who has seen this thread yet.
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Let's say I wanted to argue I should win a debate because I have a small penis or because I am black or because my opponent is Australian, how would I go about doing that?
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I'm having a debate on a fine tuned universe. Anyone who knows a lot about it, please look at this debate https://www.debateart.com/debates/489?open_tab=comments , and also present arguments you would use if you were con, below.
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@Vader
I don't give a fuck. Honestly. In fact I would probably look down on anyone that mourned me. Grouch Marx said.I think a lot of people do this, but sometimes I ask, what would happen if I died? Who would come to my funeral, etc. It may be me but I would wonder about friends and families reaction or the schools reaction
I DON’T WANT TO BELONG TO ANY CLUB THAT WILL ACCEPT ME AS A MEMBER
Me and Groucho Marx are the same. Maybe he was after a laugh, but I seriously do not want to belong to any club that would have me as a member. If you love me, it says a lot about how big of a piece of shit you are.
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@Mage-CPA
So, was the cop out of line? That is debatable.On the one hand, he clearly lied about some new law.On the other hand, from a safety standpoint, some suspect who's car is being searched is not necessarily the kind of person you want making wild movements with their arms. Further, an incomplete record of events can be problematic for any professional.
The guy was demoted, so even his peers and supervisor's agree he was clearly in the wrong for lying about the camera law. Further more, videotaping does not cause wild movements of the hands, nor is that concern the problem of the guy filming, it is an officer's problem. It's actually sad to see you pick this apart and yet fail to see precisely what was occurring.
The cop was uncomfortable being filmed, understandable since it is off putting. Combine that with a desire to control the scene, and a desire to search the car. Cops are taught how to intimidate. It is called "command presence" in their training materials. The officer used this "command presence" mindset to demand the camera be cut off. It's usually not even a problem for them to make a request that sounds like a command. My inuition is that, making requests sound like commands is unethical. So he isn't over the line yet. He is allowed to make a request sound like a command, he is over the line when the young lawyer says no, and then the cop threatens to arrest him in retaliation.
Let's not forget also, that even the cop knew he was wrong. As soon as the kid mentioned he was a lawyer, we do not see him for the rest of the filming which lasts somewhere between 15 and 30 minutes. Not that you even have to be a lawyer to know the laws on filming cops, most lay people are aware it is legal to film them in all 50 states as long as you keep a respectable distance if they are in an intense situation.
Your position is to take anyone, including a juror, who is involved in any miscarriage of justice, no matter how slight, and punish them is excessive and ridiculous.
That is a bare assertion. I think if you put your own life at risk when dispensing justice, it would be good motivation to make sure you got the decision correct. Right now we have a system where obviously innocent people like Laurie Bembenek and Andrew Johnson are railroaded. https://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/tag/bite-mark/
While obviously guilty people like Robert Wagner and Karla Homolka go free. Just maybe, if we incentivize these people to get the decisions right, they will actually do their due diligence when examining cases, or conducting investigations. I prefer a world where I know a jury will be less likely to wrongfully convict me, where cops will not arrest me unless they are absolutely certain of my guilt. Do you not prefer a world where injustice is rare or non existent?
Let's look at the hubris of the prosecutors in just this one case. https://californiainnocenceproject.org/2012/12/dna-test-excludes-w-va-man-but-da-not-convinced-of-innocence/ . I'll start a new thread on it soon, but basically DNA evidence not only proved the convicted was innocent, but proved who the real perpetrater is, and prosecutor's and judges involved are such pieces of shits, that they want to keep an innocent man in prison instead of releasing him or granting him a new trial. Just maybe if there was a law they would be executed, if they kept clearly innocent people in prison, they would be motivated to do the right thing here.
Further, you call lying about a law a miscarriage of justice, yet have no problem manipulating people into confessing by lying about evidence.I have a hard time taking your position seriously.
Completely different scenarios, I am clearly not advocating for all forms of lying to be illegal. With the DNA evidene lie, you can eliciet confessions and the person assumes they are going to prison regardless of their actions, so it destroys one motivation for them to lie. The motivation, not to get caught, if they are caught. Let's not kid ourselves though, subjecting somebody to arrest is a form of violence. State sanctioned violence, but violence none the less. So when you lie about what is an arrestable offense it allows you to threaten the violence of arrest for almost anything. SO yes saying "Stop filming or I will commit an act of violence on you" should clearly be illegal or even "Let me have $10 or I will arrest you" or any other such equivalent threats.
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@coal
I am willing to hoin the hangout right now to discuss it
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Stop with the illuminati shit. They have a club thay we aren't invited to, but it isn't that organized
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I have money on the line. I will negotiate who the judges are with my opponent and am open to different subjects.
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@bsh1
Guarantee d $50 profit for you. Are you down? Plus it helps the site because the debate is only viewable for patreon members. Are you down?
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Bsh1 is too much of a pussy to debate me though. Sorry patreon members.
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@Ramshutu
It has got to be preferable to the current system. Our system has a lot of room for improvement
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RM,
I don't give a shit about repurcussions.
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@David
If ypu can arrange a time in the next 72 hours it is on. Moving soon
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Willing to give bsh1 a gift card to mcdonalds merely for participating if he prefers.
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If anyone beats me in this they will recieve a $50 starbucks gift card. I'm also open to other topics, and am willing to up the prize if my opponent puts something on the line. Please express interest here. I will also give bsh1 a $50 gift card to starbucks if he is willing to take me on in a live debate for patreon members for no less than 3 hours on a subject of my choosing. That is the obly way I accept a debate with bsh1.
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I want to hear stories of when people almost killed themselves. It is only happened once for me though I have fantasized About it dozens of times. I'll share if somebody else does.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
True, I hate cops and I can't even gey behind BLM. Sad, it's just that these goons harm individual rights every day and then when Michael brown puts a cops life in danger and is killed for it, they get behind that. The 1/100 instance where a cop is in the right, they call him wrong. Every time. Not a movement that connects with me. An angry white guy
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@ResurgetExFavilla
This is why you need to be elected President, or me if you give a shit about not being assassinated
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@Greyparrot
Most judges are elected though. The supreme court is one thing, but both examples cited are not supreme court members.
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I've changed my mind about activist judges. The justice system is broke and instead of discourafing activist judges from counteracting a fucked up system we would be better served by demanding they counter act it until it is replaced with a system that is perfect. The cowardly cop in Broward county who let students be gunned down, absolutely should be punished. I just read an article about a woman who made some 12 year old touch clothing over her boob, she recieved a life sentence due to mandatory minimum laws. The judge chastised the prosecutor for bot offering a plea bargain, but really he is allpwed to over turn a juries guilty verdict. We need to do away with idiots like these, who would rather do what conforms to the law as opposed to doing what was right. These judges are no different than the Nazis who claimed they were just following orders, in fact they are worse because they are less likely to face the same consequences as a nazi that spoke out against what Hitler was doing.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
So you think they can be reformed? I've seen one take a bullet to his face and still return to work adamant that he would not change as a result of his divinely inspired punishment.
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@Mage-CPA
The subhect was not under arrest or interfering with an arrest, nor was he at an unsafely close distance to the action. This was not a misunderstanding. Cops now days are extremely well trained in regards to laws on filming.
This is not a discussion about that incident as much as it is supposed to be a discussion on acceptable ways to precent miscarriages of justice. Which in my opinion is to execute people responsible, be it a DA who locks up an innocent person, a juror or some cop.
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I don't think it is appropriate for a bunch of crackers to act like they know anything about the music of my people
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@Analgesic.Spectre
Have you heard of those rat city like experiments which basically proved and predicred what you are saying? Declining birth rates, increased homosexuality and mothers being more distant from thei children
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
It's one thing to lie to say you have dna evidence somebody committed a crime to elicit a confession, and quite another to lie about what the law is when you are in a trusting position. It is also unethical for them to make any unlawful commands. If something is a request, they should bend over backwards to let people know it is a request.
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It is not avout Amnesty. It is like when the teacher has no ideal who stole his pen so he gives everyone a chance to come clean. It is an intimidation tactic.
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@Castin
It's funny you mentioned the sheer number of unsupervised children. I assume it is because hispanics don't typically love their children so they have no interest in protecting them from harm.
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@Castin
If taking lives furthers tge cause and delays unnecessary harm to several innocent lives human and non human than it is justifiable. By abstaining and targeting people who were advancing technology he may have saved us from god kbows what.
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You aren't wrong. If it weren't for the COC I would say BSH1 is basically Hitler
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@Castin
Why would he do all that meticulous planning, just to fuck up at the end. He would not have jumped, if he was not 100% certain he would survive. It sucks that he was not able to recover all of the money and some kid recovered some.
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@Mage-CPA
Yeah just watch the link, but filming the police is legal in every state and thay is pretty widely known. He knew that it was not illegal. He lied about the law. Also acting in good faith is not enough. They need to strive for perfection. Hell even if filming the cops were illegal, it would be unethical to enforce the law.
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@Castin
A lot of special forces people doing similar jumps at that period of time, claimed he could stuck the landing and survive. Plus wasn't some of the money discovered buried somewgere at some point. Proving it was touched by human hands and hidden at some point.
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@Castin
"The top three violent serial killers by body count are all from Colombia, according to Wikipedia. They're all believed to have killed over a hundred victims, and they all killed primarily children."
I wouldn't take the body counts too seriously for at least 2 reasons.
1. Pinning myrders on serial killers helps close cold cases quickly and usually nobody questions it.
2. The killer is incentivized to take credit because often ebough it gets him out of his cell and a combo from McDonalds or other such conveniences valuavle to people who normally can't have them.
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