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@Greyparrot
I usually operate better when using POE, I develop town reads easier than scum reads, but it is highly rare for me to have a scum read this strong and be wrong. So rare for me to feel this. Strong and be wrong in fact, that it has never happened. I think the other scum is some random inactive who voted Supa near the end of dp1 and didn't contribute much else. I town read thee new supa. I think Warren is town. Your actions at the end of that dp are more sophisticated than what I can concisely say here, but I act the same way as you when I'm scum, which is why I recognize your scum tells so easily.
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Guys i'm a busy person. I don't have time to spell out all my premises. Greyparrot is clearly scum. The only thing he can do to make it more clear would be to announce he is scum, but that doesn't happen in this game. Anyone who reads through the last 4 pages of dp1, looks at budda's analysis and uses common sense knows gp is scum. Now you guys are pis sing me off
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
@ArgentTongue
I'm nor sure if which one of you is town or if both of you are town, but whichever one of you is town, you are retarded. GP is clearly scum and if you can't lynch somebody who has practically announced they are scum and who are obviously scum, this is the wrong game for you.
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@Plisken
It's not about superiority in that example. It'seems about giving women an Avenue to compete in basketball that would otherwise be cut off from them. It'seems not about all female leagues thinking men are inferior at basketball. Just like not all people for white nationalism are white supramacists.
As for the rest.
You sound like an idiot when you say somebody isn't the brightest bulb on a "tree".
I also don't care about if any race is superior and if so which race is it? If I had to guess, I would say yes racial superiorit exists and the Jews have it, but I don't care because I'miss superior personally and that'she what I care about.
Just Google what white nationalism is from an unbiased source, because you clearly have no clue what it is. You think it means an all white society, but still feel qualified to talk on something you are clueless about. You can also stop insinuating I am a white nationa list just because I can consider and understand POVS that are different than my own
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He has a point about getting inactive town to lynch him, but honestly even when he has bought enough time to create a reason for lynching his town read, he'll still have to explain why he needed to buy time instead of just stating his reasons
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@Plisken
No they don't. Maybe better qualified for that specific group, but not superior, for most sororities I assume. Just like women's basketball doesn't think women are generally better basketball players. It isn't about the superior/inferior dynamic.
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There is a difference between anti town play and scum play. This is scummy. Supa is anti town
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@Plisken
How do sorority's encourage gender lines without being sexist?How are you supposed to maintain racial lines without racism?
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@Plisken
This sentence is also nonsensical, but I get what you're trying to say. Maybe you are a non native english speaker or really young, that's fine.If the nation is comprised of white people than non white people are not part of the nation and that is not racist. That is logical.
A white nationalist country would not likely exclude non-whites. Just like Israel does not stop non jews from living there. If nationalism were ever to be implemented it would likely be a voluntary nationalist type things. Maybe the United States would split into a few different voluntarily racially nationalist states that still will comprise the same country. Maybe black americans get the north east, hispanics texas and california and whites the center of the country. You could still have non whites in the white portions of the country, even with strong political influence and massive success.
I'm not going to go into the details of the various forms of white nationalism though. Just do a google search for ways people have discussed implementing it. Most of the plans being seriously discussed involve voluntary nationalism.
I jnow I just disproved you presupposition that a white nationalist country would exclude non whites, but I want to address your hidden premise.
Your hidden premise is that any group that has racial solidarity and excludes other groups is racist. This is clearly bullshit. You are not hurting black people by not allowing them th join the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, any more than blacks who benefit from the united Negroe fund are harming whites excluded from using it. It is also not sexist to have sororities or ageist to have a group called the AARP. To suggest otherwise is absurd
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He refuses to simply explain why he voted for somebody because town isn't on yet?
Nonsense, he just needs more time to come up with bullshit. There is no reason to wait. Just lynch him and get it over with. I know I suck at driving lynches, just pretend I'm good at it and do the right thing
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@Plisken
I have no ideal what the following means. Please tell me in plain english
coincides reliably with exterior characteristics.
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@Vaarka
I see...I'd still be surprised if Supa honestly wasn't joking. Seems to fit his behavior
It doesn't matter. Please vote GP, we have less than 12 hours remaining I think
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@Lunatic
read the last 5 pages of DP1 and you'll have all the information you need. Please place a vote after reading those 5 pages
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Aporia is absent, for the love of god BSH1 let budda sub into his spot.
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GP is acting like defeated scum, which is sad because he isn't even close to being lynched and despite how obviously scum he is will likely survive this DP.
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@Plisken
You would need to add the word white to know what it is referring to. Nationalism on it's own would refer to a geographic location. White nationalism would refer to having a country for whites to call their homeland. If you are white and think white nationalism is right for whites, you probably also think it is correct for african Americans or Koreans, or Jews or Indians, but You can have white nationalism without those groups having any sort of racial nationalism. There is nothing racist about using the word "white". "white" is not a dirty word, it is a descriptive word of the type of nationalism that white nationalists support. They may also support black nationalism or Jewish nationalism, but honestly wheter those groups want nationalism or not has no effect on White nationalists, nor should they actually give a fuck about those forms of nationalism.No, I initially had the context of considering white nationalism as a first sentence and crudely deleted it. Maybe it's impossible to prove at face value it's racist but upon reasoning it's most likely going to prove to be part of a racist construct because you have to have a reason to add "white".
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
GP is not even going to flip innocent. How is this game supposed to work. If a cop gets a result would he have to out himself and outright tell this town, before they utilize his information?
I know GP is scum. This is not a guess on my part. I may not know it from my role, but I do know for a fact he is, just kill him. We'll figure out who else is scum next DP, but this gets us breathing room.
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@warren42
agreedGuys, Grey just called all 3 of us out in-thread. We need to lynch him today and if there isn't enough activity we NK him
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I didn't have a strong read on Supa, and clearly stated he was only like 50% scum, which I think is good odds on DP1 to lynch somebody. I have a strong read on GP, as everyone should right now. If somebody who is that obviously scum can't be lynched town deserves to lose.the way I read it is, he was going to make it happen regardless, when it was evident that it was going to happen, he voted for someone else. There's a sense of someone who is really good at getting others to do their dirty work for them. He pushed pretty hard on Supa who was innocent. Now his sights are on GP......
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@warren42
Wylted: Can you direct me to an approximate area to analyze GP's behavior? I'll be skimming last DP now.
The last 4-5 pages should be enough. He acts like knows supa is innocent, isn't usually susceptible to peer pressure and the stated reasons for lynching make no sense. I know GP is scum, I'm sure most experienced good players who read those last 4 or 5 pages will come to the same conclusion.
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@Plisken
Are you trying to insinuate I would with these questions?Why limit yourself to an arbitrary minority of the world's potential for the United States? Why consider 'racial' demographics at all?
Saying David Duke and white nationalism is not racist, is not the same as advocating for it. I don't share the same beliefs as David Duke or people who advocate for white nationalism. It's silly to think I do, just because I recognize they're not neccesarily racist.
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@Greyparrot
Ahhahaahaha ...david duke has like 100 followers and he himself has zero political power. There's more members of the KKK (about 3000) than followers of David Duke.There's more flatearthers than white nationalists. Does that make you worry?
David Duke isn't even racist, he is just called racist so the media in his appearences can avoid debating the issues he raises, which he'll crush them on. The argument he is rasicst rests on a single newspaper article in which he immediately claims after it was released he was misquoted. He also was a former leader in a group who called themselves, but that isn't neccesarily a racist organization either (depending on which group is using the term as their name), and he is often introduced in interviews saying he was a member of the KKK. It has nothing to do with the points he raises. Nobody can debate that guy and win, so they poison the tree.
David Duke is not racist, has never provably said anything racist. Nor is white nationalism racist,
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BSH1 please put mharman in the game to replace one of these inactives. Also buddamoose if he is interested.
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GP doesn't need replaced. He needs lynched. You all need to get your shit together
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
I have no ideal what you're talking about. I was on SUpa's lynch last DP, clearly I was going back and forth with whether I wanted to lynch him, because I had no strong reads. With the new information, I now have some strong reads. Supa 2 is town and GP is scum. There is no doubt in my mind that GP is scum and it should be obvious to everyone.Wylted is subtle in leading people to conclusions and decisions he would like them to make.......the first vote makes me think this. Someone who was going to wait to the last minute to cast a vote to make sure the lynching happened, but then not doing so when not needed. We should re-examine that.
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You guys all need to make sure to reread this dp tommorrow. I'll break down my premises for why GP is scum, but honestly I shouldn't need to. It's extremely clear, and why did BSH1 just activity prompt me. I made like 5 posts when he prompted me, and honestly I had nothing left to work with because nobody else was posting. As long as I am alive, I am always one of the most active players, and don't need prompts
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@ArgentTongue
Budda didn't have a solid town read on him. I'm not dealing with this nonsense. GP is clearly scum at this point and anybody not on his wagon needs to learn how to scum hunt.I read through the entirety of DP1 before it's conclusion, and I honestly have not observed this scum trend that you are pushing onto GP. Quite a few of us, including two deceased town players, had a solid town read on him, one I still maintain.
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@Vaarka
I don't expect people to catch up when they have missed that much. I just want them to read carefully, what they are able to read. If you just read 50 of those posts carefully, you have a leg over anybody just glancing over every single post. My issue is not with anybody who is not caught up, my issue is that he is not able to concentrate on anything. He should've know to check the first post to see who died for example.You must hate what I'm doing then b/c I still haven't read all of DP1
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The lack of activity is absurd. If you guys are uneilling to engage just voter GP, and let's move the game forward
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@warren42
Then vote for GP the other scum is one of the last few votes on Supa's wagon. Supa2 is definitely town. This game should be easy to win and I think that GP is certainly scum, this is not a 60/40 lynch like last DP
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@Vader
I'm aware of the claims nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana. Nobody has ever overdosed on Pizza either, it doesn't make it a health food
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I'd prefer non dead players to replace in, because they are unaware of previous night actions only privy to certain people, but whatever. Not that big of a deal
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@Mharman
Even with that in mind, even if you still make mistakes, it's not going to render your post unreadable.
NO, I actually have a hard time getting what I mean accross. My brain does not work like yours or most people's. Even at 5 years old, psychologists commented on that my thought processes are extremely unique. My memory is good enough to remember 2 questions they asked me where they said that the answers were highly unusual though accurate.
The pssychologist showed me a picture of a leaf and asked me what is it?
Most kids answer "A leaf". I shed a tear and whimpered "A broken tree" My empathy has always been inappropriately high which already is enough to alter how I think, but probably isn't the main reason for my odd thought processes.
I was also asked "What do you do when it's cold"?
Most kids answer "Get a Blanket" I answered "Ask mommy to turn the heater on".
Psychologists were extremely interested in my even very young, A lot of people on this site are bright, but at 5 years old I was already recognized as a genius who has extremely odd thought processes.
It is hard for me to get across what I'm thinking, because I think different, I have always thought different and my thinking is so abnormal and ingrained that it is difficult for me to explain myself.
I sometimes assume because there are so many smart people on this site, that when I say something it will be understood how I want it to be understood, but it isn't. Imagine an alien trying to talk to you, an alien with the IQ of Einstein who does not think like a human or have the same experiences to draw from as humans.
That's how I feel when I try to communicate with the outside world. Before I was 21 years old I had barely any access to the internet but furiously studied everything I could get my hands on and developed my own scientific, social and philosophical thinking with it's own terminology and theories only known by me and sometimes when I communicate with others I don't realize they have not had access to the same information as me and have no clue what I'm talking about.
It is extremely common for somebody to think they know what I'm saying, but not understand it in the way I intended them to.
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I'm also going to assume Supa is not sophisticated enough to fake that town tell, and give him a firm town read.
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@Vader
Budda is dead. Please start reading everything twice if it is going through your head. A lot of people retain 50% of material one one reading and 80% after 2 readings. I've also seen research that suggests some people with reading comprehension problems are just not visualizing the words as they read the. Work on visualizing everything the words represent when you are reading them as well. I'm telling you this, because this inattentiveness is killing me.
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@Mharman
That's not how this works. I could proofread it 100 times, and still want to edit it after it's posted
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I edit to correct bad spelling. I type fast without checking what I write, because I often write in a stream of consciousness. I'll put the wrong words in there, misspell so bad that what I'm writing is barely comprehendible. I like having the ability to edit what I write to make sense.
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I think it's useful to revisit Budda's analysis of GP. It's also useful to realize what happened at or near the end of DP1, particularly GP's statement that he protests voting against Supa (presumedly because he knew he was innocent), yet he voted against him anyway. I don't buy that he gave into peer pressure. He was clearly claiming to townread supa at one point and still voting against him at the end.
There was obviously some peer pressure there to conform, but GP is not susceptible to peer pressure for the most part. He has no problem making controversial statements, he knows he'll catch shit for or sticking to his guns when he percieves to know he is correct about something. His play is not consistent with his reads or meta.
Obvious scum is Obvious. I think Aporia caught that earlier and I was a little too anxious to dismiss it. It's also worth looking at the players who were mostly absent all game, but had no problem swooping in at the last minute to lynch a member of town. I think we have GP with a mostly inactive scum.
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I don't know why I didn't see it before, but upon rereading DP1 it is extremely obvious Greyparrot is scum. I challenge anyone to reread his posts in light of everything and not see the same thing. I'll explain my premises soon if need be, but it was so obvious, and I feel stupid for missing it before.
VTL Greyparrot
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Cheese fries are retarded. Why ruin the natural taste of french fries, by doing something stupid like putting cheese on them. If the cheese is accompanied by bacon, ranch and jalepeno's it's fine.
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@Vader
Want to debate that?Weed is not bad for you at all. it causes 0 deaths and was just a plan by the government to blame Mexicans.
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@ArgentTongue
Even now days when democratizing things has been so successful uber, air BNB, various software, etc. , and this democratization has proven superior for consumers to things like Yellow cab, Ben n breakfasts, Windows etc.
Dude, you that whole mode of thinking is seriously outdated and proven wrong more and more everyday. Just switch to linux, start using uber instead of yellow cab and order some stuff off of grubhub and you'll give up on this outdated ideal that a strong central authority is neccesary and things will devolve into chaos without it.
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The biggest danger would be in the blavkmail that takes place. "If you send me an invite I'll debate that thing you've been desperately trying to get me to debate" but I don't even see that is being overly harmful
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@ArgentTongue
You're just being a cynic.
Ah, but there is no way to guarantee the group would be restricted to that number and the mistake would not be made
It shouldn't be restricted to that number, it should be constantly growing, and merely used as a tool so people can have fun debates without effecting their true rating, and have an area where only serious debates exist so that you don't have to sift through so much garbage.
All it would take would be one misstep and the entire system goes into a state of shock and disorder.
It's not some fragile ecosystem. You can have plenty of missteps and be fine. I think you fear some chain reaction, like some idiot gets invited in and that idiot invites the next one, and so on and so on. I just don't see that occurring. There would be some percieved risk of that voting for somebody such as myself, but honestly my vote would only be used to get some under appreciated serious debater into the circle such as Zarroette.
Even if some smart ass gives some idiot an invite, even idiots hate idiots, so it will likely remain an isolated incident and not set off some chain reaction.
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I know once I got an invite, whoever did that will be quite unpopular.
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Honestly argent, most people would not even exercise their invite once the group had about 10 people in it. Plus your peers will give you a ton of shit for inviting the wrong person in if you do
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@ArgentTongue
What about a series of 8 person tournaments. One tournament a month, and the winner of the tournament gets into the league. This can be done monthly, and it would be a true meritocracy
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