Total posts: 5,754
Posted in:
-->
@oromagi
what is your justification? I have a theory on theme and want to test it with your justification. If I am right I can prove poly is scum.
Created:
Posted in:
Proving my previous reasons for why justification does not matter. GP just did not have the vocabulary to explain the justification properly
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
give justification so pie can move his vote to a more worthy target please
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Intelligence_06
sure, but it has to be a very tiny percentage of murderers in a supermax
Created:
Everytime I read an article staring vaccines are safe it just some bare assertion like
"Experts claim vaccine is safe, so therefore it is"
It doesn't give their premises or anything, and then when I read some doctor explaining why vaccines will kill us in 5 years, the arguments are very deep, and explained throughly?
Or even just a research scientists who disagrees that the young should be vaccinated is giving very through arguments, while proponents just say shit like "get the vaccine, the CDC said you should".
"Experts claim vaccine is safe, so therefore it is"
It doesn't give their premises or anything, and then when I read some doctor explaining why vaccines will kill us in 5 years, the arguments are very deep, and explained throughly?
Or even just a research scientists who disagrees that the young should be vaccinated is giving very through arguments, while proponents just say shit like "get the vaccine, the CDC said you should".
At the very least the discrepancy of information by CNN on why vaccines are safe, vs research scientists and doctors on why it isn't should be alarming
Created:
Posted in:
A doctor reports that 2 billion will 100% die from vaccines in the next couple of years https://twitter.com/luigi_warren/status/1411449615216386050
Created:
Posted in:
new information has come out that will explain how long you have to live if you got vaccinated. Most people will be alive only 3 more years
Created:
Posted in:
oro, also give an updated list. A lit of things probably changed since you last posted it. Including the claim by earth
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Earth
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
you guys are on my shortlist of town. Please organize everyone from most town leading to scummiest so we can start narrowing in on a lynch target. It could take 2 days to do this so we should start coalescing around some people now and let our reads develop as we do so.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Intelligence_06
False. Less suffering = better. Death = no more suffering.
It's not that simple. Being fat also sucks, and death would begin the decaying process to make you non fat, but we wouldn't conclude that it is better to be dead than fat.
I also can understand why people in torturous amounts of pain at end of life would want to escape it with death.
I doubt you want to kill yourself everytime you stub your toe though. The only people who kinda accept death are doing so because of coping mechanisms developed to deal with terror management. With the exceptions of end of life and torturous scenarios.
I don't believe most people who have life in prison are in solitary confinement. I think that usually just happens to death row inmates prior to being executed.
I did here interestingly enough that Ted Bundy was contemplating suicide while on death row and his psychologist talked him out of it.
Bundy had apparently came to christ and the conditions were torturous because he was not in life but sentenced to death. He wanted to kill himself and the therapist said
"You know people paint a rosy picture and call it suicide, but really it is self murder"
Bundy said
"Yeah, I know"
The counselor said.
"Do you really think somebody in your shoes and who has committed as many murders as you, can really risk testing the lord by adding one more murder to your list"
apparently Bundy took the statement to heart and waited for the state to execute him
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@oromagi
WhiteflameSupaiLikePie5EarthWyltedAWoLMisterChrisSCUM
Would you be willing to lynch mr chris. We should should start narrowing the pull of lynch targets. Judging by the order of your list that is the most overlap between me and you.
Created:
Posted in:
Town
Oromagi
Pie
Wylted
Lean town
Whiteflame
Greyparrot
Earth
Neutral
Mr chris
Lean scum
drlebronksi
Supa
Polyglot
I am only willing to lynch my lean scum picks
Created:
Posted in:
lean town on earth
I will do some shit like oro and see where it goes with a continual reads list
Created:
Posted in:
Pie and oro town.
Whiteflame giving his wincon so fast is to his credit actually so lean town with him.
Supa us giving me some scum vibes.
Poly is miller and should be SOP lynched and learn a lesson about claiming miller even if she is town
Created:
Posted in:
Everyone,
Poly has a single vote on him/her. Why does he/her even care? I could have 3 votes on me right now, and I wouldn't give a shit
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Polyglot
I don't think most of our characters were tournament winners. Is it that only scum have tournament winners? Not sure why I would give the tournament winner thing any weight
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Polyglot
I always attribute shifty logic to scumminess. It took me a while to realize that even intelligent people can use shifty logic.
Your logic is terrible. Even if that by itself is scummy, which I disagree with, why are you not weighing his other behaviors into your analysis. Is there no weight given to the fact he knew at least some town had different justifications than last game?
I've weighted these things. I no child is something a bad scum person would claim early. I don't think oro is that terrible. I also think that scum likely did not know any of our wincons and he should get that weighted to his credit as well
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Polyglot
So your reasoning for Oro claiming his role early is that he's not smart. That's a dumb excuse
It's stupid no matter his affiliation.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Intelligence_06
this is just a cope by people who find state murder objectionable. Certainly not existing is worse than existing. Many people lead happy fulfilling lives in prison.
In prison in the United States, you do get visits from family and friends, some even still allow conjical visits. You can read whatever you want, make friends and go to church, have a restricted healthy diet.
It's not that bad. I know in China it can be rough. I have seen some leaked videos of people restrained in inhumane ways and begging for mercy because they posted something not even critical of the government but could be misinterpreted as critical
Created:
Posted in:
Anyway the theory is that justification is pointless. Bad justification can mean 3 things
1. The mod gave bad justification
2. The person did a shifty job of understanding justification or just sucked at relaying it well
3. The person is somehow scum.
None of those things being more likely than another. I don't care about your justification much. However if that is the justification tyf gave you, I think it's terrible.
Created:
Posted in:
You are focused on disproving my theory of the wincon. Right now I have no good reason to think anyone is scum. I'll keep my vote on the claimed miller until I do. The justification is not the main reason for my vote. I explained my theory on justifications in the scum pm last game. I will find it and repost here about why I could care less about justification claims
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Polyglot
Plus, I'll say it again. I don't understand the reasoning for Oro to claim Innocent Child so early. If he is who he claims to be, he will be automatically confirmed in DP3, he could have played undercover until he got the official reveal from TUF. There was absolutely no need for him to role claim. So my vote remains on Oro.
He is a modwit. Low on the mid part. He is an individual with an IQ of 115 who thinks of himself as smart because he found some smart people he agrees with and copies their reasoning. It's why earth knew he would choose to protect chris over himself and targeted him. Any intelligent person would have known we were going to know he was targeting chris and would instead target him, but he targeted chris anyway. Idiots always do the obvious move in situations that should be wifom.
He claimed innocent child because he lacks imagination. Much better to have waited. Plus, no swapping out the stated mafia wincon for a town one is not something he would have gone. That is taking an overly risky shot in the dark of guessing the town wincon. Oro would not have done it. Nor would pie have corrected him, if pie was scum. He wouldn't have known to.
Oro and pie are confirmed town. Look elsewhere.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Polyglot
I already explained. Millers appear to be something they are not. Your justification is that the guy appears to be an asshole based on his actions and is an asshole.
Why would the wincon for something that appears to be the opposite of something, be something that appears to be the same?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@oromagi
I think the results are repeatable enough to conclude that IQ measures some aspects of the human intellect but hardly encompasses what humans mean when we say intelligence. We were just recently discussing Bobby Fisher's high IQ although that sad bastard was an unemployable schizophrenic who pissed himself to death because he wasn't smart enough to go to a doctor.
Schizophrenia has nothing to do with IQ. Though schizotypal personalities are more common with high IQ individuals than low IQ one. However it alone does not determine intelligence.
High IQ just means the delusions will have better premises. IQ is a good measure of intelligence. It does something though.
For example bobby fisher could probably make a better argument to support any one of his delusions than you can for any one of your truths.
It's good for holding general knowledge over a lot of things, making it easier to see connections. IQ is pattern recognition, so these people will more easily see things like the disproportionate members of Jews in power and the state of the world being less than Ideal and jump to conclusions.
It doesn't make the conclusions right, but it explains why they have better premises for their belief systems which are false than most people do for beliefs that are correct.
Here are some common reasons a high IQ individual would believe conspiracies.
1. The sharp shooter fallacy- an intelligent person is more likely to be able to shape complicated theories to fit around sets of facts than a low IQ individual can. It's a myth that conspiracy theorists want to make a complicated world simply. Often conspiracies complicate the world. It is easier to think somebody landed on the moon than to believe the hundreds of complicated and interweaved evidence for the opposite.
2. Motivated thinking, such as being a paid witness, or for example you don't want people in the coal industry to lose their jobs, so you obfuscate the truth by pretending coal mining is actually good for the environment.
3. The conspiracy is the truth, but the average person just watches CNN or fox and accepts whatever worldview is handed to the. This is why you can say something like "Ted Kazynski was a victim of the MKultra program" and most midwits will assume you are stupid for believing in a conspiracy.
IQ is still an indicator of a brains better ability to recognize patterns, comprehend things and formulate new ideals. However sometimes superior brains have flaws rarely seen among the stupid. Visa versa is true also. For example you can almost tell a person's IQ by asking them the following question.
It takes 2 people 2 minutes to wrap 5 gifts. How long will it take 4 people to wrap 10 gifts?
Most stupid people will say it will take 4 people 4 minutes to wrap 10 gifts. However smart people are more likely to get the next question wrong.
How many animals did Moses take on the ark?
The stupid people reading this already have the answer correctly to the above question and did it quickly, because their brain doesn't take the same shortcuts as one one a smart person does.
Let's also not forget that IQ is not the same thing as wisdom. Tesla was more of a genius than Edison, but Edison was more wealthy because of wisdom. Both were very intelligent people.
IQ does matter. If you hire a low IQ guy for a job and a high IQ one, the high IQ one will typically be able to give you better value for your money.
If you give a high IQ person 3 weeks to learn a concept and a low IQ one 6 weeks, the high IQ person will know more after 3 weeks than the low IQ person after 6weeks. So it matters.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Greyparrot
would you be open to having jailkeeper directed so you can simultaneously avoid preventing an active member of town from using their ability while simultaneously protecting somebody important to town?
Created:
Posted in:
Zechariah sitchen has some good books on the theistic Satanist as well as luciferian concept of creation as continually referenced to by Hollywood in movies such as Lucy (they were too obvious naming her that) and space odyssey.
He's referred to as enoch in the writings of Sitchen.
Created:
Posted in:
Post 68 may be relevant to this game somehow. So posting it here
Created:
Posted in:
I am glad lunatic gave different wincons. I don't like the ideal of PM analysis.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Earth
why are you claiming anything? Unless that was a CC, I'm confused as to why that would randomly happen
Created:
Posted in:
Unvote VTL poly
I AM CAUGHT UP NOW AND Poly's justification is absolute shit. Millers appear guilty but are innocent. His guy just straight up appears guilty.
Also both pie and oro are basically confirmed town in my book at this point. Pie would have went ahead with the wincon oro stated if he was scum.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@oromagi
space odyssey is cool because of the luciderian messaging which most people miss, but I really don't get why people like it.
The knowledge given to monkeys so they could evolve into man, is a luciferian concept. I guess you could say biblical concept, but really not in that way. Lucy did the same thing, but the story was better.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Vader
I wasn't that interested in some of the side characters all that much, felt at times the pace could be slow. I appreciated great characters and the decent aesthetics, but to me the highest I can is a 8. It's a 7.8-8, but I wouldn't call it a 10
Yo I are an idiot. The whole concept is amazing. This and dark city are great films with a similar message
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@oromagi
check out that mark passio guy on an occult breakdown of the movie. Watching him and then watching the movie makes it even better somehow
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@whiteflame
my wincon is the same as it was last game: you win with the town.
Just saw this. I guess good job oro though you risked fucking it up
VTL whiteflame
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@oromagi
Just take a guess... you already know what the initials are
I missed where you gave out the initials, but if you did, stop helping scum correctly guess things like an idiot.
Created:
Posted in:
besides overlooking it, I just did not actually understand what iwwtt. Meant even though I have seen it a million times.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@oromagi
@whiteflame
I don't know when everybody got so obtuse about wincons. Last game, the wincon was You Win with the Town and the fact that Wylted didn't know what it meant turned out to be evidence of his guilt, although I was doubtful DP2.
I played like shit, however that was not a part of the evidence. I k ew the town's wincon because pie gave us justification. I just overlooked it, the same way I would have as town. Also had I looked at justification it would have been over looked.
Also the win con for town is different this game. If some idiot hasn't exposed it already. Let's go ahead and confirm a town member with it this day part. I suggest starting with poly.
Created:
Posted in:
Innocent child claims are only scummy when somebody is facing pressure, which oro was not. Poly's justification for miller though is shit
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Polyglot
how is that a miller claim
Seems like a legitimate asshole, not somebody just appearing to be one?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Polyglot
my experience is 50% of miller claims are fake scum claims. You seem like the most likely scum until I find somebody 51% likely to be scum. Please help me do that, if you are town.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Polyglot
I think we should lynch claimed millers and that millers should not claim. Low likelihood of being investigated and a convenient scum claim.
It would be far better to take the following absurd approach.
Always claim PGO as miller and miller as PGO.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
Btw any SoPs?
Why did you say this?
What do you consider SOP claim besides miller?
Created: