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@whiteflame
Not sure why I'm suddenly being roped into this, but fine:
I thought it would amuse you to be roped in
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@HistoryBuff
Many jewish people are also caucasian.
No they aren't
You assume that jewish people have lots of control, but haven't shown this is true
No, disproportionate representation among media inflencers, billionaires and government would definitely not be evidence of disproportionate influence of policy decisions, derp.
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@HistoryBuff
30% of the top billionaires does not equal "control". 30% would make them in the minority.
Stupid take, some billionaires just care about money. You don't see Paul Mitchell getting heavy handed with politics like George Soros.
It's also a strawman, we were talking about influence over the news, not control over the country.
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@whiteflame
@HistoryBuff
lol, because white people make up most of the rich and powerful people in America. You now say it is some conspiracy of Jewish people who are anti white.
It's not really a conspiracy. Here watch
whiteflame answer 2 questions for me please.
1. Should America be allowing more immigrants into their nation?
2. Should Israel be more welcoming of their closest neighbor by increasing their immigration?
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@HistoryBuff
oh I see. The secret cabal of jews is controlling the world's media to destroy the white race? are they also manning the space laser and starting wild fires?
It's funny how if you say whites control the media, I don't confuse you of a conspiracy theory, but the second I point out Jews control the media, you spaz out and claim it is some sort of wild conspiracy theory?
Jews are very over represented in the Billionaire class
They also run the media
Why do you think Jews being over represented in positions of power means that there us some sort of conspiracy?
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@Theweakeredge
I'm talking about your interpretation of what it takes to stay that way
What specifically do you mean? I think I made a few statements about it.
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Thanks rm
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Sadistic is untrue, but most of it was pretty accurate. It actually sucks RM doesn't like me, because he is one of my favorite members. My IQ is in the 160s not 150s. RM's must be in the 150s though and he is trying to bring me down to his level.
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@HistoryBuff
I can point to a lot of things wrong LOL. Why are you 8insisting everything ran perfectly and nobody can point out a single thing wrong?
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@zedvictor4
I did have one outside my tent a few weeks ago. Pretty scary stuff. I wouldn't have known but he was letting out a gator growl
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@Theweakeredge
I'm sure you're also crippled and unable to walk, and gay, and unable to type well - your track record definitely allows us to take your word at face value
I can't blame you for not taking my word at being homeless. It is something so hard to accomplish, that it would require a great deal of evidence for you to overcome your skepticism. This is no different than if you were to claim being a big Hollywood director here
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@dustryder
How were the voters identified as republican
I usually look for indicators like cowboy hats and stuff like that
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I don't understand taoism. Effortless effort I heard it called, but it seems effortless effort would lead to a very unproductive life.
I get a feeling you really have to understand Japanese culture, around that time to truly understand taoism. I imagine there are unspoken things, that their books can not quite teach with words.
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@SkepticalOne
Did you hear about the area in Arizona where magic markers were handed out to Republican voters, so their ballot would be invalid?
So.many examples
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To divide it in 2. Blue states as one country, red states as another and let's see which ideology should be completely abandoned afterword.
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when a white person commits terrorism the media is usually much less inclined to call it that unless it is extremely blatant.
That would be racist to do that, yes.
so the groups controlled and funded by rich white men, are anti-white? Do you even listen to yourself?
No, the groups controlled and funded by rich Jews. Not that whites can't be anti white though.
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@HistoryBuff
so the one example you provided is actually not an example of a fraud risk in any way. Why the hell are you bringing it Up
LoL, you really consider that fair? To send all democrats 3 ballots so they have extra reminders to vote and with state money and only send one ballot to republicans so if it is lost in the mail, they are less inclined to vote?
There are thousands of examples of things like this.
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@SkepticalOne
Trying to prevent audits? Even if that were true, they would be trying to stop...what..the 3rd or fourth recount? The first few were just practice runs, eh? ...same with the 50+ meritless challenges in the courts too, eh? Once we get a recount by people who are not biased to reality, we'll finally have a 'legitimate' conclusion.
A recount is pointless. You need the ballots audited. If you keep recounting the same fraudulent ballots, the numbers will keep coming up the same.
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@HistoryBuff
you were talking about antifa. now you're talking about BLM. You know those aren't the same thing right? Or do you just want so much right wing propaganda that they are all just scary monsters to you?
That was in response to you saying the media is racist against blacks.
nope. Only a racist could hear the words "black lives matter" and think that is anti-white. A non-racist would hear that and think "of course black lives matter". BLM isn't trying to take things away from white people. They want black people to be treated the way white people already are. But the right just sees scary black people and try to paint them as terrorists or something.
I said the media was anti white not BLM.
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For example by sending my wife more ballots. Also there is reports that democrats were going door to door in some areas asking registered democrats if they had remembered to vote.
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@HistoryBuff
so far you have yet to give a single example of fraud that is actually possible and could affect the outcome.
The point about her getting 3 and me one, is that she hot more reminders to vote, not that she would be able to vote more often.
Also cheating would not be a wash, liberals are more inclined to cheat.
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I have been homeless for almost 2 months . I thought about things that could help homelessness a lot. I really want to help people in poverty.
I'd be what you would call invisible homeless. I don't look homeless, I manage to either take showers at an rv park or at planet fitness. I keep my clothes clean. I don't drink or do drugs and I have a job. I had 2, but realized it was unsustainable because it left no time for anything else.
Everything takes longer
If you have a home, laundry is a quick process, but for me it can take 6 to 8 hours. Everything takes longer when you have nothing. Even getting a bite to eat can be an all day process.
I Learned to Relax
There is no entertainment except for my cellphone, but I am around vacationers in their RVs and camping. When I first saw them, it confused me how they can just stare at the water and relax. I honestly just learned about relaxation.
At first I pitied them, I thought they were just slowly letting their life waste away, but I thought "what if it is me who should be pitied ". So I made a conscious effort to do nothing. Just watch the water.
I still don't quite get relaxing, but it is something I strive for and I feel.like it has made my entire life less stressful and helped me to live in the moment.
there is no cure for Homelessness
Everywhere is hiring here, and will practically hire anyone who walks through the door, and although rent is ridiculous, nothing is stopping anyone from getting a job, getting a $50 business license and renting an office for $500 a month until they put back enough to get a stable home.
Most of these people want to drink, panhandle and sleep in the woods. I don't understand it, but apparently homelessness is mostly a choice
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@HistoryBuff
all sorts of ways. Votes don't magically appear in boxes. They have to be received, counted etc. There are many steps in the process. All of which are strictly controlled and monitored. The idea that you could mess with millions of ballots and not leave a trace is a joke.
You know it wouldn't have to be that organized right?
You just have liberal areas less critical of the ballots they receive than conservative ones etc. Lots of things that add up that can swing elections. You can have an over reaction to a new strain of flu to push for more mail in ballots that are easier to manipulate. For example.my wife accidentally registered as a democrat and got 3 ballots mailed to her. I got one ballot mailed to me. All types of little things like that
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it's the most common type of terrorism in america. But since it is white people doing it, the media rarely calls it that.
The media was on the BLM bandwagon before it existed. They have been decidedly pretty anti white
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@HistoryBuff
Even if I accepted your statement that it is impossible to have evidence (which is patently false), then it would be equally reasonable to assume that it was trump that tried to rig the election and he actually got 10's of millions less votes than he claims.
How would you have evidence if every vote is anonymous LOL?
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@Double_R
So to be clear… you believe a bunch of (or a few) powerful individuals made the decision to pretend that lockdowns were needed, and convince the entire world of this, so that wealth could be transferred to them. And the US government - lead by the biggest anti-lockdown mouthpiece in the world, was the largest purveyor of this global conspiracy?
I'll look at amazon stock prices and how many of their competitors were ruined to see if this theory is accurate.
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@HistoryBuff
this comparison is stupid. The two situations are in no way comparable. Republicans have easy access to the courts. They brought lots of lawsuits alleging fraud. They couldn't prove a single example though.
If the election was stolen, does that make the government corrupt? Yes or no?
a couple of different things. 1) They aren't looking for "political opponents". one small piece of the overall information happens to include political affiliation. But since that affiliation does correlate with right wing terrorism, it is a complete lie to say they are somehow targeting "political opponents".
How do you know what they are looking for?
They are asking for people who have very radical beliefs that are right wing. What do you think they'll do with this list of wrong thinkers?
what? that wasn't antifa. I'm guessing this is another one of those boogey man things the right blames on them to gin up fear.
It literally was LOL. I've seen footage inside the autonomous zone, these people admit to it.
Also why do you think conservatives are terrorists? Right wing terrorism isn't really a thing that happens very often.
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@HistoryBuff
Yuh ou know you are wrong and that is why you won't debate me. Be honest
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@HistoryBuff
That is like me leaving a jar of cookies in a room with my kid and coming back and they only have one left, and him claiming ai don't know who took the cookies, because I have no evidence. I didn't count them so I can't say how many were taken. I have no documentation. Hell if I have no documentation and can't tell you the count difference that means no cookies were stolen.
Watch farenheit 9/11 so you can know how secure elections are.
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@HistoryBuff
so gathering names is a sign of genocide? So grocery stores are about to commit genocide? They gather names too, like most other businesses and organizations. Trump and the republicans like to gather names too, I guess trump wants to kill you.
Gathering names of political opponentsnis probably a red flag, yes.
why would I care what Antifa states? they are a tiny fringe group with little to no effect on public policy or the country. The right just loves to pretend they are some huge threat in order to scare people.
Biden seemed not to have very strong language toward them if he isn't condemning or criticizing them than it must mean he wants their support.
They did form a successful even if temporary coup in Seattle though.
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@HistoryBuff
there are these places called courts. If you think someone committed a crime, you go to them and provide evidence. The republicans alleged lots and lots of things in courts. They got virtually every single one of them thrown out because they didn't have a shred of evidence.
Maybe the jews should have went to Hitler's courts. Running away from the camps was unethical because they could have appealed to courts.
Maybe the founding forefathers should have went to British courts instead of illegally revolting.
If the government did something wrong than you should go to the government to convict themselves I guess.
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ok. so because a genocide happened once and there was evidence it was going to happen, we should assume a genocide is always coming even when there is absolutely no evidence this is true?
The evidence was only obvious in retrospect. The evidence now is the attempt to gather names at all. Antifa has also publicly stated they will be going after names of conservatives for when they have power
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@HistoryBuff
Oromagi proved my claim that the government was targeting ron Paul supporters. I am not sure how he thinks he disprove me
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@HistoryBuff
nope. There are legal methods to challenge election results. So even if they were right (which they obviously aren't) they would still be traitors trying to overthrow
If the government is corrupt and it is stolen than go to the corrupt government and plead that they stop playing unfair?
That sounds ridiculous
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@n8nrgmi
There is a mafia game in sign ups. Are you down?
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@Double_R
He is asking that radicalized people be reported. Don't take the word radical to liberally. I have been following far left groups and your average boomer would be considered radicalized by them for merely believing in a constitutional republic over a straight democracy
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@HistoryBuff
it's not about pushing one narrative or another. It's about creating division. That is why their bots push both far left and far right wing propaganda.
Do you know america would be better off if either the far right or the far left took over?
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@HistoryBuff
so to maintain freedom, you think only the rich and powerful should get a say in what the rules are? That is the exact opposite of freedom. That is tyranny
No, proven altruistic experts.
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@HistoryBuff
Whether or not they were right is irrelevant to their crimes. They tried to overthrow democracy.
Not if they were right, than they were trying to protect a democratically elected leader from a Washington coup
1) please provide a source for that assertion. I'm guessing you got it from some idiot on the internet.
Nope, it was big news when it happened. It's literally the first Google result of "FBI to target Ron Paul supporters"
you are again arguing for something that has absolutely no evidence. You claim the government will round these people up when all available evidence says they are looking for right wing terrorists (the most common type of terrorist in america). You are choosing what you want to be true then picking and choosing which information you want to believe based on that.
This reminds me of the Jews who were in denial about their names being collected by the Nazis.
Do you know how much evidence existed for pol apot genociding his people, when it was happening? Liberals denied it was happening and said conservatives were being dramatic.
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@HistoryBuff
so your argument is that you have absolutely no evidence that any kind of significant fraud has occurred.
"We created a system where you can have massive fraud and no evidence will exist for it, but since there is minimal evidence for it, that means it has never and will never occur, derp"
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Liberals like me believe that democracy is the optimal form of governance and that nations aren't stable until they get and keep democracy for themselves
Why? If people are easy to propagandize and are generally stupid, why do you think that randos should be in charge of policy?
Don't democracies just have citizens always voting on getting free shit until the country implodes?
Besides that, democracy seems a shitty way to maintain freedom. Citizens want laws against free speech. We had the comic book code, SJWs wanting hate speech banned and in a lot of democracies it is illegal to read the wrong books.
Researchers estimate that 45% of all tweets about coronavirus came from bots, and most of those controlled by Russian or Chinese teams. You are literally taking Putin's propaganda to heart.
I thought the media was trustworthy and could be trusted to report important and reliable things. I never saw this being big news. Are you saying that Trump was right to call the media fake news (rhetoric meaning sensationalistic among other things).?
Why would russia and China care what american citizens think of Corona virus. I guess if they were pushing the quarantine meme to destroy our economy it makes sense.
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@HistoryBuff
Voting is done anonymously. By it's very nature it is undetectable for the most part. A study was done to show how easy it was, and the participants in that study were threatened with arrest all though they merely turned in blank ballots. They weren't caught until the results were published.
The fact it is virtually untraceable is why you need safe guards, and no it is actually extremely easy to obtain ID. I'm homeless and have one. It's a common sense safeguard
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@HistoryBuff
a group of armed and organized men and women attacked the capitol building for the express purpose of preventing the results of a democratic election from being certified. They did this in the hope of installing the loser of the election as president, thus overthrowing democracy.
Intent and mindset matters. They thought Trump won. What if declassified documents come out 20 years from now showing they were right? Do we then get to call the police stopping them a part of an coup?
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@HistoryBuff
No one is talking about "rounding up" right wing people. They are talking about keeping an eye on potentially radicalized terrorists.
Did you know the FBI listed Ron Paul bumper stickers as a warning that somebody was a terrorist? Usually you don't tell people they are going to get rounded up. You build the list first and then make it a surprise so they have no time to react
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@ILikePie5
The funny thing about those attacks is that governments all.around the united states have been attacked with ransom ware. They also usually pay up LOL..infect Antony Alabama police department by getting some idiot cop to download ransom ware and you just made an easy 20k
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@oromagi
I literally just mentioned plain clothes police at BLM events. I said they arrest people and it is unethical to act like secret police and snatch people up. There is no room for undercover people at demonstrations. With governments being incentivized to put agent provocateur in crowds, it is unethical to use plain clothes officer for crowd control.. it's bad optics l, but not just that. It causes distrust in law enforcement.
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@oromagi
Jesus LOL. Dude is not Hitler. He is just somebody who is looking to allie with America for mutual benefit. He has really brought his country from 3rd world shithole to someplace tolerable to live and helped millions.
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@oromagi
Most homicide detectives in America wear plain clothes and drive unmarked cars. Are American homicide detectives all secret police in your estimation?
They usually just go to your door and have a conversation. You don't see them often cuffing people unless it is in an interrogation room.
I would call the people jumping out of dark trucks and grabbing BLM.rioters secret police though. They rarely identified themselves and took people in unmarked cars to undisclosed locations.
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@oromagi
You thought it was suspicious that the u.s counterparts were not there for the Russian agents. I just wasn't sure why they would be there. Why would we need anyone other than a translator, and even that is much considering Putin is faking like he doesn't speak english
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