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@Speedrace
Drafter is not asking anybody to sheep. Honestly please don't have children. Lunatic is obviously scum and IQ is inheritable.
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Maybe he is cop, but is flavored or something. Naive flavored. I seriously doubt it, but maybe
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@oromagi
Watcher is a weak doctor. Tracker is a weak cop. Do you know what game we play when we have a known doctor and cop?
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It will be funny if press is cop and he has just scared mafia out of killing him and is doing town confirmations
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I am going g to make a prediction. Lunatic will not get lynched here. He will spend the next two nights killing me and drafter, and then through force of personality will convince others to slowly mislynch into oblivion. The problem is we got a few town confirmed players here. Greyparrot is one
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I can tell whether people's IQs are 3 digits or not by where they line up on the lunatic lynch
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I hope you are scum, because if that is your town play with all that experience, it is pathetic
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last minute pretend to think he was hammerred so a town claim looks legit play
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Actual endgame quote by tuf when I vigged him as a noob to end a game "You were right about me, but it was only coincidence because you did not look for reasons I could be town" DUde never goes into the endgame and just says "good job"
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yeah, I just happen to be on the correct wagon 3 DPs straight, but my play sucks
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@Lunatic
I saw somebody in another game say you told them in a scum PM you were philosophically opposed to bussing, and bussing is common but it is usually only done when a specific lynch is imminent, nobody really leads a lynch on their scum buddies for the most part. I mean it can be done but it is rare. WHy don't you just self vote, and we will lynch drafter next DP, that way if you are correct we still win, but if I am correct we also still win
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@Lunatic
If you aren't against bussing than why weren't you on SA's lynch or supas?
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@Lunatic
It's because you are an idiot. you can look at my history of games on this site. I have been remarkebly accurate in my reads and in getting the correct people lynched. last game I was a little distracted by some of the mod shenanigans but even if you leave that example in there my record of being almost perfect is pretty remarkableYou are the last player on earth I'd be taking seriously when it comes to opinions about "shitty" mafia players lol.
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@Lunatic
What does "breaking up reads" even mean? Unnatural and guarded? You didn't cite examples of that DP1, maybe if you had, I would have felt more comfortable buying your argument. You just tossed out blanket statements.
I don't have to point out examples. There iis a difference when being careful and guarded with words and is obvious. If you were actually town than you would have seen it as well. There is a difference between saying
"HI"
which is natural and phony use of language because you are more self conscious than usual such as
"Hello there Lunatic, How is your day?"
self conscious people, afraid every word may betray what is in their heart talk different than people who could care less about concieling intent
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@Lunatic
Actually I made a more detailed case later on, dude atleast don't be a liar. my case stated the same thing I just stated to you about SA. You should have bussed him instead of stubbornly sticking with your philosophy when his death was imminent anyway
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@A-R-O-S-E
Arose, lunatic is scum. There is nothing to debate here. The only reason I engage with him is incase anybody falls for his absurd shit
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@Lunatic
Another dumb statement to break up a read instead of doing actual scum hunting. GP is obviously saying in the one in a million chance you are not scum, that we should take a harder look at press. He is not saying you are both scumWhat's your case on press? Also you realize there can only be one scum right? So if you think it's me it can't be press....
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Like I said, your analysis is shitty, because you have to use fallacies, because you are scum and the truth is inconvenient for you. Here is why I almost always win, whether scum or town. It is because even as scum I still usually stick to the truth. If I am scum making that sort of analysis it would be logically consistent with no fallacies, but you are weak as scum and combined with your philosophical stance against bussing and not being on two very obvious scum lynches, we know for a fact what your affiliation is
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SA was obvious scum. I stated that myself on DP1, you have a reputation for being against bussing and just because one person you view as scummy doesn't mean you lynch them yet. Why the hell should we have lynched you before supa and SA? especially since super and SA were easier lynches to get. It was a scummy behavior to go with the scum preferred lynch target especially how obvious SA was as scum. It is also doesn;t mean you are scum to display a single scummy behavior, how would it make drafter scum to have a slight scum read on you early and then to strengthen that read, it seems retarded to claim strengthening reads is scummy.What had me more suspicious of him is the fact that he kept trying to imply that my derailing of the lynch was scummy, but never placed a hard scum read on me. If he honestly thought I was derailing a lynch of a mafioso, that should have been more scummy to him. He kept re-stating it was. If my behavior in trying to lynch AROSE instead of SA was so scummy, why wouldn’t he have voted for me instead?
Slightly scum read wylted. I wonder if mafia picked up on the dialogue I had with pie. Pie asked if I was suspicious of wylted vig claim, I wonder if wylted as mafia picked up on that as pie wondering if he should counter claim. Makes sense why pie would have been killed if they suspected him as a vig from that conversation.
No, the scum team did not pick up on that, and it is retarded. If the scum team picked up on that, they would have allowed pie to live. Pie is poor at reading players and would have likely misused his abilities.
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“I looked over the past few games. Bussing is fairly uncommon. In fact, the only person on Sir's wagon who has ever bussed was Water.”Despite the fact that we know know supa was on board that lynch of SA
Actually Supa only joined the wagon when it already had enough votes, so it was obviously a ploy to get town cred for helping a lynch he had nothing to do with. He was on the scum preferred lynch most of the time.
e other thing he said that had me suspicious is “If one of me and lunatic survive til the end, one of us is scum”. This statement only helps the mafia if he is town. It’s telling them to keep us alive to split a decision between us later. The only reason I could see him saying that is so he could set that situation up to make me look scummy by surviving, something he would as mafia have control over by choosing not to kill me.
Another retarded statement. It makes more sense for him to save you until lylo or mylo if this logic is true, because by this logic we should lynch him if you flip town, meaning he just lost the game by pushing your lynch too soon
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Retarded, it would have been better if drafter pretended to be offline and just let the lynch fail, not to mention you would have to be a real shitty player to not see what was blatently clear, which is that SA was obvious scum.I don’t care if we were right about the lynch. I am happy for it, and happy that I was wrong. But I think a big part of the lynch was mafia manufactured for town cred. Drafterman, I think is one of my top scum read right now.
am feeling little hints of his affiliation by him reinforcing the idea that analyzing the DP1 lynch has value specifically on the AROSE wagon. Trying to derail the idea that “bussing is uncommon”.
It is of value, when you have 2 competitive lynches, one which is on a clearly scum player and one that is on a town player, then it is valuable to see who was pushing for the preferred lynch of the scum team. Most lynch wagons are kinda useless but not in these rare circumstances. I think the mafia scum wiki discusses the importance of analyzing competing wagons as well. in their strategy guide
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@Lunatic
"First off, I’ll quickly address the DP1 “derailment” thing. I initially was okay with the SA lynch, you can see from my posting style and behavior that initially I was leaning on letting him get lynched. What changed my mind was the fact that he was at L-1 with only a day left, and most of the wagon felt very rushed."
This is stupid. No experienced town member is this stupid. What is important is an independent analysis of SA, not whether we lynch scum quickly or slowly. Not to mention I think I have seen charts showing quick dp 1 lynches tend to be more accurate than the slower ones
Not to mention SA’s answer to the whole “claiming after one vote thing” seemed very sincere. He was a noob who didn’t know any better. The strongest reason to lynch them was probably Airmax saying his character claim might indicate a thematic difference
No the strongest reason to lynch was he was displaying the following scum tells; Breaking up reads instead of scum hunting, speaking in an unnatural and guarded manner, witholding his vote and trying to look too consistent which is a noob scum thing. Town doesn't care about consistincy they care about continually evaluating and updating their reads to be more accurate
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I gave a legitimate case for SA as did others on DP1 and you were even lying then and saying it was nothing but sheep.
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@A-R-O-S-E
Arose, don't delay this game. Just lynch lunatic so we can get to the endgame
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@Lunatic
At a computer now. I can address a few of the retarded logical fallacies you used. Your read is nonsensical and you are still breaking up reads more than scum hunting. I have seen you intentionally misinterpret things me and drafter have said. Intentional misinterpretations is a scum tell. Like I said that if you were town you would not fight your lynch this hard because your mindset would be that we could afford a mislynch.
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@Lunatic
This is the same shit you will be saying in the end game. Wylted is always right but he sucks at defending his reads so therefore he is wrong. I don't even think this is an act on your part. You are scum by POE, even if it weren't for POE you are displaying obviously scummy behavior. You need to improve your scum play. I would have led the same team to victory that you had. You are breaking up reads, making absurdly long cases filled with logical fallacies and inconsistencies and then asking people to address your gish gallop. You shouldn't even be fighting this. You should just concede defeat. It is obvious what lynch is occurring this dp and that ending this game is a mere formality
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Press needs to come clean but I am tired of waiting
VTL Lunatic
This is obvious as fuck. Now he is I sulting drafter for modifying his reads on DP1. LOL. Dude is not scum hunting, just breaking up analysis which I showed was a scum tell when SA did it. Going to make a prediction. In the endgame, he was going to say we were right about him being scun but our logic was wrong and we just got lucky
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Lunatic is just trying to poke holes I people's arguments. This is a big scum tell and he is desperate which is why he is displaying it. He clearly is not scum hunting, and merely engaging in psychological warfare. I also think speed needs to get his hit together. He was one of the ones not smart enough to be on SA's lynch. (Sa was obvious scum(, but now he seems generally incapable of seeing lunatic's behavior is so obvious that it might as well be a confession
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@oromagi
Fine. I do have justification. Why the boss would be tracker is obvious, but it is because mike is all up in everyone's cool aid and tryi g to figure out the flavor I stead of being up in his own cool aid. Now stop being g silly. You know I am town and I k ow you k ow and we both know you are being stubborn
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Speed race is likely town, airmax is tough for me to read. Pretty sure we win with a tuf lynch. But if not the pool is pretty narrow. I am as certain of tuf as scum as I was of SA.
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@Greyparrot
I know for a fact you are town, and it is highly unlikely drafter or oro are scum. So POE tuf is strongest scum suspect because of Press's vrazenness like you said but the NK choices are odd which is a hint that it could be press
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@Lunatic
I didn't say I was going with you because we can afford it. I stated you wouldn't fight being lynched this hard as town because you would know we could afford a mislynch
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@Lunatic
I read your analysis. It is shit. If you are around tomorrow still I can point out the intentional logical fallacies. Fallacies that are in actuality beneath you. Sometimes I will mock town players by saying the logic they use is beneath them and feigning a scum tell on them so I can hopefully encourage them to be more rational. You though, I think you are more rational than I am. You commit less fallacies, are more careful with your logic. I can't figure out the NKs though man. What is going on there. You have a claimed watcher who should have been targeted. On np1 even if you sniffed out that pie was a vig, he is inclined to use the role incorrectly so the scum team was better off leaving him alive. If I have any doubts you are on the scum team, it is those NK choices. If you are on the scum team, I assume you are leading it. I would appreciate some insight in what I see as stupid choices. Have you been reading my games lately? I have been on fire on catching scum and having the ability to lead town in lynches, I was unclaimed. Even when I am highly suspected of being scum, it is hard to get a lynch on me. I think I it is a mistake to leave me alive as well. I don't make mistakes at LYLO or mylo. ORO SHOULD BE DEAD AND I should be dead, but especially ORO. I have no ideal what the scum team is thinking. You might be able to swing me over to a lynch on press. I can believe his inexperience could cause these choices to occur and will unvote to give this theory a chance to be vetted bit my vote will likely return to you
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@oromagi
No, not even going to amuse you. Forgot and am not going to bother refreshing memory by reading pm
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@oromagi
I have not looked at my PM in a while. I forgot his last name. On off chance lunatic is tiwn we can just go after press and so on and so on. Winning is a for.ality. compulsive visitor and all these visiting roles could balance out watcher tracker as well as a ninja could
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Lunatic is fighter. I doubt town lunatic even fights it this hard since a mislynch is no biggie here
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@oromagi
You couldn't seriously think I would be caught in a lie even if I was scum LOL
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@Greyparrot
I don't know. I guess it is WIFOM. I dont think he would be so stupid as the last remaining ing mafia to derail a lynch on tuf and make this one on one trade
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@Lunatic
That is fair. I will reread it and take my time with it this time
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I don't want anybody distracted by this. If I am somehow lynched today, it is not because Oro is lying. My guess is this is not a ruse on his part. Just lynch lunatic next DP
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@oromagi
I was honest. You need to question why you were left alive. My guess is that you were redirected and therefore no longer a threat
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@Lunatic
I tracked GP last night , and he did nothing. Impossible if he did the NK. Drafter is getting credit for drawing attention back to the SA lynch. I know I am town, so I am confirmed to myself
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Attacking people's logic instead of making a case is such noob scum behavior I am shocked to see lunatic engage in it
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@oromagi
You could have been redirected or something. Get your shit together. I am not even going to humor this nonsense
Unvote VTL lunatic
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@oromagi
You should probably confirm with warren that you can actually watch a tracker visit somebody or that he made a mistake because if I die and flip town, you are going to be killed next
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