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For the record it is not racist to say that portions of the black community such as portions involved in gang activity are more likely to accept me than you. You can pretend that no black people at all are in gangs,and that is fine. But I have been in am all black gang and cam tell you, that certain portions of the black community would consider me an insider and your white bread ass an outsider,and refer to me as nigga and you as cracker.
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@Speedrace
I fucked so many black chicks, that I have a free pass to say a lot of things that would be racist coming from your typical white guy. I have more of a pass to say the N word than you do, because I have likely spent more of my life in predominantly black neighborhoods and fucking black chicks than you have.
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Furthermore, ai am now burdened with impeachment proceedings by the highest authority of the DART elite, and since we do bot have elected officials which I plan to remedy by December than I am the closest thing to the voice of the community, which I reluctantly accept
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So I acknowledged that neither me nor bsh1 know his motives but bsh1 acted under the assumption his motives were to hinder the investigation when his efforts theoretically could have provided more fruits if bsh1 did not ban him. Bsh1 whether knowingly or intentionally actually obstructed my investigation into collusion by banning the hammer and the community burdened me with the responsibility of investigating this matter
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1. Not knowing the motives of the hammer for example was already addressed in the portion of the report where it also talks about how BSH1 does not know the motives but acted on the assumption he was not actually helping the investigation.
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@TheRealNihilist
I'll address the rest when I am not between sets or at work. I think between this thread and the wylted commission final report I have already addressed your criticisms and at this point you are talking past me and ignoring my already supplied rebuttals in both threads. On a side note. The rule of law is why I ended up in an abusive foster home, why the nazis were allowed to kill 6 million Jews and why a kid smoking a joint one time with some friends can have his future destroyed and not ve able to contribute as maximally possible to the betterment of humanity. Anybody who is pro rule of law, and even lawyers not actively fighting against the system and other participants who do participate in the system as opposed to it, are all pieces of shits who I would have exterminated if I were in power.
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@TheRealNihilist
As a conservative, I can tell you I could give a shit less about the rule of law. My ideology comes first
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I like how RM said tyrone is not a racist merely because he is black
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@bsh1
"Virt also denied that Wylted's outreach had influenced his decision"
Bsh1 this is provably a lie. I am sure you don't care but screenshots of just my portion of the conversation and the timeline prove influenced Virt's decision. The screen shots I believe are still up on discord but I am sure I can send them to you another way.
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Note in the thread bsh1 linked to. Virt offered a public apology and bsh1 basically rehashed exactly what I said here confirming this report is accurate and the final word on the events. The next step is following the path laid out at the end
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For a more I depth summary that this merely pulls from please read the following https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2967/the-wylted-commission-the-official-report-on-the-hall-of-fame-election
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How the hell is RM the voice of reason here. Get your shit together site administration
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Stand up for your beliefs virt instead of allowing bsh1 to be the alpha.
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Also for the record I just now learned when trying to reply that virtuoso has me blocked merely for being a whistleblower
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I have no issue with you having your mind changed for the record. It is reasonable to be persuaded. What is unreasonable is that you allowed me to be punished while you sat in silence. This apology needs it's own thread so it doesn't get buried, and so it can be the sole focus of discussion at some spot on this site
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@TheRealNihilist
Go read BSH1's report. A lot of the stuff you are disputing with, he seems to agree with me on in his thread. Me and bsh1 seem to have the same facts we are pushing, but we are pushing these facts in different ways
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Not does any of this address the extent of the punishment on the Hammer. I wanna also believe you just made a typographical error when you stated that I campaigned for Supa after my ban was extended. Once that extension was notified to me, I stopped campaigning.
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It is one thing for baraka, a child discord mod to be complicit in this plot, it is quite another for virtuoso a grown man and a mod on the official site to be complicit. He needs to publicly apologize and the public needs to weigh I on whether they can trust him or not
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@Speedrace
The chances of it being coincidence is next to zero. He told me in PM he was co sidering what I said and then he followed my directive. He was acting unethically, don't let me acknowledging the one in a million chance it was a coincidence distract from the facts of this case
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@TheRealNihilist
You need to read my post again. I am aware of more than you think. Also everything I based this on is publicly known information. I am not at all complaining about anything bsh1 is keeping private, and my report does show I believe bsh1 is innocent of any conspiracy but he is guilty of being human and having bias
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@Speedrace
It could be coincidence. But it seems like I convinced him to change his mind based on the order of events and out interactions. Hopefully he will show his integrity if he has any left by confessing
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I don't know why you think I didn't consider and include that evidence in the long form of this report. I even included BSH1 basically repeating that but paraphrasing in the above report
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@TheRealNihilist
Read the post, it explains why that we can't know whether he was cooperating or not. BSH1 would have to be a mind reader. It also shows similar threads by other users that were ignored. It also provides evidence that a moderator was involved in a scheme to manipulate the results of the election and a whole host of other facts. Did you even read it?
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This is not funny at all, and I find the situation quite serious
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@bsh1
Do you have a response to what Thett said and the contents of the report?
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spacing is always a problem when posting from libre office. Will attempt to fix now. Hopefully it is easy to read. If a lot of people are having trouble I will put it into pdf format
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Finished, you may now post
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TheHammer
On October 18th the Hammer made a thread claiming to have manipulated the HOF election, it was concluded that he was trolling by BSH1 chiefmoderator. BSH1 attempted to get him to share screen shots of the alleged vote manipulation. This created a type of double bind fortheHammer. IF the allegations were true then the Hammer would bebetraying people he communicates with on Facebook routinely, making enemies that know personally identifying information about theHammer. If the confession was false, then coming clean would have also resulted in a ban. Either way, this is an inescapable double bind.
In the confession it was stated that most of the early voters in the nomination phase of voting were recruited votes. The following people voted for RM in the early phase of nomination voting in this order;
1.Pressf4respect
2. virtuoso
3. Bsh1
4. Bmdrocks
5.Trent405
6. Supa
7. oromagi
8. avoiddeath
9.Arose
10. mharman
11. Waterphoenix
2. virtuoso
3. Bsh1
4. Bmdrocks
5.Trent405
6. Supa
7. oromagi
8. avoiddeath
9.Arose
10. mharman
11. Waterphoenix
I have decided to eliminate bsh1, virtuoso and supa as suspects in this pool of candidates and have sent PM’s interrogating the rest to determine if they were in Cahoots with the Hammer, I will release the information to the proper authorities once these individuals get back to me. Some of these names aren’t very active in the forum soit is reasonable to suspect a sort of conspiracy to get rationalmadman into the HOF among this group.
When I reached out to the above users, the ones who responded, which were most of them assured me that they were never reached out to by anybody to vote for Rational Madman, and did so of their own accord.I believe them. There was no collusion on the part of theHammer which I can uncover.
InThe following thread https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2933/i-want-to-callout-bsh1-here-and-now-castin-too-wtf-is-the-logic-of-the-30-ban-on-hammer BSh1gives his logic for the length of the ban on Hammer.
The personal attack combined with the excessive trolling aggravating factor would have earned him about 10 days. What earned him the rest of that time is lying to me repeatedly and falsifying evidence in order to exonerate himself. I am not going to go into more details about that, but I will state unequivocally that obstructing a moderation investigation is an incredibly serious offense. The verballying earned him 10 days, and the falsification of evidence earned him the last 10 days.
Since lying and falsifying evidence are actually part of the same crime“Excessive Trolling”, than it should not have resulted in theextra 20 days. The ban is only justified if it is limited to 10 days in length, and this is assuming that his false confession is worthy of a ban. We have other users who posted similar confession threads and received absolutely no punishment.
TheHammer’s confession(https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2917/a-confession-and-an-apology)
At least 2 of the other confession threads are comparable to what was posted by the Hammer, and since they resulted in no punishment to that user, theHammer should have not been punished either. At the very least we deserve consistent moderation.
Conclusion
Recommendations
1.Ban Virtuoso and/or remove him as deputy moderator replacing him witha community picked leader.
2.Rewrite the CoC to make decisions less ambiguous.
3.Create an appeals process to reduce the likelihood a moderator canabuse their power
4.Create a presidency position so the community has a unified voice andan organizer
5.Unban theHammer
6.Officially recognize that the Hall of Fame Results were not influenced by collusion and that no Obstruction took place.
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Spacetime/Tyrone
What seemed suspicious at the time of the election was various bans of users who voted for a combination of Wylted, Tyrone and Coal. Whether the bans are justified or not, both the banning and the severity of the bans, seems rather suspicious. For example it is widely known that Spacetime and Tyrone share an IP address, and spacetime has a history of multi-accounting. In the HOF nomination thread BSH 1 says the following on post #84
let me state--for the record--that the accusation was neither absurd nor unfounded. Your accounts are linked by IP, device type, and you have a known history of multi-accounting (which caused you to be temp-banned previously).
I have assured you that I am going to continue to investigate in an effort to resolve the issue. I further assured you that--in the interim--your nominations and any nominations you receive would be counted. I think that is a reasonable accommodation under the circumstances.
I have assured you that I am going to continue to investigate in an effort to resolve the issue. I further assured you that--in the interim--your nominations and any nominations you receive would be counted. I think that is a reasonable accommodation under the circumstances.
From what I can gather from my sources, Bsh1 had made several implied threats so that spacetime would cooperate with his investigation. So under duress Spacetime confessed to multi accounting. Now I reasonably sure that the forced confession was true given spacetime’s record, but we simply don’t know and the timing of the whole thing to coincide with the election after BSH1 had all of this prior knowledge almost points to a conspiracy to try and control the result of the election by making voters he disagreed with, disappear.
In the upcoming election thread, BSH1 mentioned that all users have aright to participate in Hall of Fame voting, but we have a clear case of voter suppression from the various bans that were conveniently timed that ended up keeping users the moderation team disagreed with from voting.
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ThePlastics
In post number 70, in the HOF Nomination thread Thett casts votes for Wylted Spacetime and Tyrone. Post #75 the Hammer comes on board and votes for Wylted Coal and Tyrone. In Post #76 Spacetime votes for Spacetime, Wylted and Tyrone. Then Thett changes his vote from spacetime to Coal.
This tells me the votes likely weren’t organized and that Thett saw an opportunity to spontaneously start a pattern. It doesn’t appear this voting was organized in any way either, though I suspect before the Hall of Fame election started this group of friends discussed who they wanted to see win, all people in the group known to enjoy seeing silly results and took advantage of what they knew of each other’s motivations to vote in accordance with each other.
It has also became known that they in fact had earlier plotted to do an election coup but their plans never developed due to loss of interest and failure to come to a consensus. Being partially privy to some oft he schemes being thrown around, it appears they just subconsciously fell back on the vote choices they preferred and knew other members of their cabal would likely vote for as well.
This type of strategic thinking does not fall under the sphere of collusion or vote campaigning. It appears there was no election hacking at this point in time, by this group of users.
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Chief Moderator Involvement
I don’t find any involvement in a conspiracy for BSH1 to get his favorite people nominated. I feel he made a good faith attempt to make keep the election fair. He went too far in banning the Hammerand let his emotion’s get the best of him in that particular situation. The problems aren’t with the person in the position itself as much as it is in how that position is structured.
As of this writing the chief mod has too much power and his weakness is in his belief that he is capable of even being unbiased. His role has also expanded to include things that should not fall under a Moderator’s domain. Let’s start with the power dynamic.
1.The Code of Conduct at the very beginning states that the mod has full power to interpret the code of conduct however he feels like. https://www.debateart.com/rules
This is unacceptable. The rules need to be written in a way so as to almost make the moderations reactions automatic and take judgement out of their hands. The reason being as that as a human, cognitive biases and distortions happen even to the best of us. The line about the mod having power to interpret the COC however the hell he feels,needs to be removed.
Inthe hate speech section we have a clear example of how the rules are so vague they can be interpreted to quite literally mean anything.
“Whether aimed against other users or not, hate speech is treated as an aggravating factor in weighing moderation responses to other violations of the COC. Disagreement over what constitutes a religion,race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc., is not a legitimate excuse for hate speech.”
Let’s forget about the fact that something as vague as “hate speech”should not be considered an aggravating factor in any mod decision.The real problem is that any person in the chief moderator position will disagree with what hate speech even is, and it will come down to the fact that instead of users of a wide variety of beliefs being moderated in a consistent way, they can be moderated more harshly because their beliefs are offensive to whoever the mod is that enforces the rule.
The other problem is that the COC allows moderators the ability to ban people for not assisting them in investigations. This gives moderators too much power to bully people into submission as we sawin the banning of theHammer. It brings another problem as well. It is impossible to know if a user is assisting them in an investigation or not. Let’s say theHammer was being honest that their was a vast conspiracy to get Rational Madman into the hall of fame. Bsh1 saw itas obstruction that screenshots proving theHammer’s claims were not provided, but for all we know theHammer was working diligently behind the scenes begging his co-conspirators to come forward. If given the time, instead of making a snap judgement to outright ban him, perhaps theHammer could have convinced these individuals to come forward or got so frustrated begging them that he decided to name names.
Itis simply impossible to know if he was cooperating or not, and if he was cooperating it was quite possibly more effective at getting the truth out, but the efforts were squashed before they could bear fruit.
Itis also written into the COC that the chief moderator’s decisions cannot be appealed. This is ridiculous. In order to justify this policy, we would need to assume the chief moderator is infallible and God Like. This is simply not the case for anyone other than my lord and savior Jesus Christ.
My suggestion here is to rewrite the COC to take judgments out of the moderators hands, to make them robotically just decide things in the only way to assure we eliminate the risk of cognitive bias and distortion affecting their decisions. I would also suggest adding an appeals process to the Chief Moderator’s decision.
2.There is just too much conflict of interest in allowing moderators to organize community events such as the Hall Of Fame. It also distracts from the moderators ability to moderate the site if his attention is divided. We need a community elected leader to run these sorts of fun events, perhaps create some official tournaments as well as other initiatives to make the site better.
A community elected leader can also ensure another one of these Hall Of Fame controversies does not happen in the future, by talking to the mods behind the scenes as well as suspected parties and sometimes negotiating fair agreements between the two. Plus some people don’t care to pay attention to the day to day happenings of the site and would just like to elect a trusted official to be a proxy for them. I suggest holding a presidential Election on December 15th of this year so all interested candidates have time to build a platform and campaign.
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THE WYLTED COMMISSION
The Official Report on The Hall of Fame Election
DeputyModerator Involvement
I of course want to start with the most shocking thing I uncovered.Which is that Virtuoso participated in a campaign to get the user known as SupaDudz into the Hall Of Fame, and he should resign from his position or be impeached immediately. It is well known that The User known as Wylted launched a campaign on the Discord server after his ban for a personal attack to get Supa into the HOF. Rational Madman made a good case for why this in fact happened, and I feel it is unnecessary to restate his case. Supa also discusses the situation a bit in the following thread. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2912/clearing-the-air-regarding-wylted-situation
I not only sent out several PMs asking people to vote for Supa, but made public statements on Discord pushing for Supa to get into the HOF. In post number 14 of the Hall of Fame thread Virtuoso voted for RM, Mike and Ramshutu. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2876/hall-of-fame-i-voting . This occurred at 7:25 PM on October 15th.
On October 16th at 11:44 Am I sent a message to Virtuoso on Discord that urged virtuoso to vote for Supa. Shortly after that, he responds saying he’ll think about it. I prod him once again by pushing the pointhome, and explicitly telling virtuoso to remove his vote from Ramshutu and vote for Supa. On October 17th at About 9:25, virtuoso removes his vote from Ramshutu, who I instructed him to, and places his vote on Supa who I instructed him to vote for.
Ican send evidence to BSH1 of this occurring but Virtuoso left the Discord server so I only have a screen shot of my portion of theconversation, but the time stamps should be enough to prove what happened. If I was banned for being involved in this plot, than at the very least a mod who knows better should be removed from his position for knowingly breaking the rules he is supposed to been forcing. I am asking Virtuoso to step down, but if he does not resign, Bsh1 should remove him. Should neither thing occur, I think the users of Dart should immediately begin impeachment proceedings.
BSH1,I know you will likely launch an independent investigation of thismatter, and I want you to know I will fully cooperate, even though I am alienating myself and my campaign to rig the election involves a few well known people on the site who can make my life hell. I will share every screenshot from my campaign on Discord as soon as I am unbanned from there and have screenshots to share, assuming the users I reached out to don’t immediately edit their portions of the conversations to hide their guilt.
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@Vader
It's clear that this was an emotional response from BSH1, I am hoping now that he has a cooler head he will correct his over reaction
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I am putting together my report on the events not only surrounding the possible collusion and obstruction in the Hall of Fame election, but on the mass bannings that took place around that time. I have reached out to upwards of 20 members, but I may have missed possible witnesses and others who have information. If you reach out to me with any information you have in PM, I can guarantee your anonymity, but also feel free to just post the information in this thread as well.
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@PressF4Respect
Nobody is more upset about this controversy than me. Who has been tasked with pursuing the truth and disseminating the information to the public. Consuming countless hours of my life that could be better spent elsewhere.
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A few of those people have already gotten back to me,this brings down the total number of possible coconspirators to 7
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The following plea in no way addresses whether BSH1 abused his power or not, to what extent and to what purpose. It merely acknowledges that he holds power.
My report on the events surrounding the HOF election will be out when it is ready, either in piecemeal or all in one shot depending on what the community wants to occur. You can discuss below to give me an ideal on how to pursue that. I am taking my role seriously, and all reports will be 100% accurate and the final word on the events that took place.
Conclusion
In reference to theHammer’s ban I have reviewed whether the ban in and of itself was legal or not. According to the letter of the law it seems like a legal ban. Section C of the code of conduct in sub-section 2, it appears BSH1 was authorized to ban the Hammer for disobeying a mod’s direct order who was acting with-in his authority. With that said there is some extenuating circumstances I am asking the chief moderator to look at and consider when it comes to the Hammer’sban, and hopefully he takes his job seriously enough to read on and consider the facts.
Body
On October 18th the Hammer made a thread claiming to have manipulated the HOF election, it was concluded that he was trolling by BSH1 chief moderator. BSH1 attempted to get him to share screen shots of the alleged vote manipulation. This created a type of double bind for theHammer. IF the allegations were true then the Hammer would be betraying people he communicates with on Facebook routinely, making enemies that know personally identifying information about theHammer. If the confession was false, then coming clean would have also resulted in a ban. Either way, this is an inescapable doublebind.
In the confession it was stated that most of the early voters in the nomination phase of voting were recruited votes. The following people voted for RM in the early phase of nomination voting in this order;
1. Pressf4respect
2. virtuoso
3. Bsh1
4. Bmdrocks
5. Trent405
6. Supa
7. oromagi
8. avoiddeath
9. Arose
10. mharman
11. Waterphoenix
2. virtuoso
3. Bsh1
4. Bmdrocks
5. Trent405
6. Supa
7. oromagi
8. avoiddeath
9. Arose
10. mharman
11. Waterphoenix
I have decided to eliminate bsh1, virtuoso and supa as suspects in this pool of candidates and have sent PM’s interrogating the rest to determine if they were in Cahoots with the Hammer, I will release the information to the proper authorities once these individuals get backto me. Some of these names aren’t very active in the forum so it is reasonable to suspect a sort of conspiracy to get rational madman into the HOF among this group. I’ll see what is going on when these individuals give me their responses.
A Plea to BSH1
the Hammer did a very brave thing by confessing his involvement in trying to rig the HOF election. I think he genuinely just wanted the truth to come out. Unfortunately we will likely never know because he has most likely decided to be a martyr and will now claim he is lying to protect people close to him. I want to ask BSH1 to reconsider his decision on the length of the ban theHammer has. In order to get to the bottom of this conspiracy, I need access to The Hammer so I can interrogate him. Heseems to want to cooperate. It doesn’t look like his intention wasto take away a win from RM. He seems to acknowledge that RM would have won without his interference, and I agree. Even without the votes mentioned RM was an overwhelming favorite. It would seem that The Hammer’s only goal was to clear his conscience in a very public way.
The problem with such a lengthy ban in this scenario is that it discourages other users complicit in this plot from coming forward and being honest oftheir own accord. It punishes people who can expose conspiracies by showing them if they do come forward they will have to face not just consequences for their actions but severe consequences.
The best mod decision to encourage other conspirators to come forward is to reduce the length of the ban on TheHammer, and to possibly even give these people a limited immunity to confess their crimes. The other option is them staying silent and us forever losing the truth to the sandsof time.
- 1. In order to encourage other users involved in this plot to come forward, please unban the Hammer.
- 2. In order to allow me to continue my investigation into possible collusion and obstruction, unban the Hammer.
- 3. In order to encourage future perpetrators to come forward so that way a path to justice can commence, unban The Hammer.
I know it is tough to walk back a decision, but I think you should consider the evidence, swallow your pride and be mature enough to change your mind. In fact, I already think you are those things, otherwise I would not have even bothered writing this report on his particular situation.
#UnBanTheHam
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I'm glad you thin such a serious matter is funny. I think this says a lot about your character, and your ability to lead from an official capacity.
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I'll do my best to penetrate their inner circles and conduct a fair and impartial investigation. I actually would like you to unblock me, since you were the first to notice what many seem to now think collusion. I have several questions and need help sorting through all the data I am gathering
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I'm currently conducting an investigation, so posting would be less frequent than normal if you want me to I will join.
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Castin has not been cleared of any involvement in the subject matter. If she wishes to assist the investigation, I would urge her to release all documents she has pertaining to the investigation, such as screenshots of PMs between herself and all suspects including but not limited to bsh1 7th theft, tyrone virtuoso and spacetime as well. as the hammer
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Hopefully it doesn't come to needing a subpoena, but so far his entire administration has been stonewalling me.
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I will have a detailed report out after I have all the facts. This I suspect goes deeper than what has been made publicly known, and BSH1 typically ignores my PMs and I won't deny he us the prime focus of this investigation and his cooperation would go a long ways
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@bsh1
While I appreciate these documents and your insights, this investigation needs to be conducted by an unbiased 3rd party such as myself and my appointees. I would actually appreciate you talking to me in private,but if you refuse, the questions I have concerning the suspicious nature of banning people for offenses such as "lying to a moderator" or "obstruction of Justice" which are not listed in your COC and using proxies to ban people for other non-offenses presumably to give yourself plausible deniability as well as bans taking place during the election process which no doubt influenced the results of the election.
Some other concerns I have include other attempts at manipulating results via creating rules out of thin air prior to the campaign that unfairly disadvantaged some HOF candidates and disenfranchised their supporters. You'll need to be held accountable for your part in this and we need to determine if all of these things just coincidentally worked in favor of your associates or if your part in this was intentional and in fact criminal in nature.
My goal is to get at the truth, and your cooperation would be useful and would go a long way at proving your innocence so that way, we don't even have to go through the trouble of impeachment proceedings
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I actually would welcome this. I need an assistant, and for members of the community to start sending me relevant documentaction as to the events that unfolded. Any screenshots of PMs between yourselves and mods will be kept classified to prevent reprisals by this administration distraction, but obviously the evidence in them will be taken into account when determining a conclusion. I'll need a couple of ambitious assistants to help me conduct interviews or access information well known in cliques I am not a part of.
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