Wylted

This is it https://www.debateart.com/debates/1179/the-united-states-would-be-better-off-without-black-people

The one issue I have is you could have done better with the summary. Maybe give a flat percentage of likelihood each is scum given the inputs. 

It is possible castin changed her mind but probably not. The worst part about her being a mod is I really like her, despite thinking she is doing it incorrectly and inconsistent with how virtuoso and bsh1 would do it. I can't be mean to her. It could be worse. It could be caploxian who I am almost in love with despite thi king she is really a fat dude in some basement just pretending to be a young girl

Yeah officials will always use obscure laws like that to abuse their power in support of ideology or personal gain

Before I am banned. I want speed to know I love him for working that math out

Regardless. I don't even think bsh1 has recused himself of nodding yyw but he avoids it with me

I like how you think

Yeah I definitely think some sort of network marketing scheme could also work to get people like you paid. Say that get t cents per click, maybe you could make 1 cent for every click they get and start building your online business that way.

You would obviously have to build a big enough reputation that draws people in to read your shit and learn some other marketing skills to make it work. 

Or you know affiliate links. Giving debaters freedom with what affiliate links to choose could have battles where each side argues for the product they are pimping. This would literally be the best review site on the internet if that happened

The system would have to pay less money than it generates to be sustainable. Unobtrusive ads at the bottom of a debate that gained 10 cents per click for example should pay the debaters 5 cents per click

I'd like to test out different monetary models side by side. Some sort of blockchain crypto currency tested against something similar to what hub pages does, which is pay you for the amount of views your articles get. It might be possible to do both side by side as well as a hundred different ways to make it work. 

People do a lot of stuff for fun that others get paid for. Under my system the ones seeking monetary gain would get it and those who do it for fun will also get that. Some people play baseball for fun and some people get paid to do it. No different. 

That would change under my system because of the monetary benefits of the literal bounties that the leaders would have all placed on them.

I would love to work with mike to see it become a reality but you know, often these types of ideals are hard to get anyone on board with, as far as entrepreneurs are concerned

I am messing with him a bit, but I honestly have thought of a format where debaters can get paid to do so. It isn't  through a membership fee or anything but it can be done. 

Not sure what bsh1 and virtuoso are thinking. I disagreed with how they modded early on, but I never questioned that I would be treated the same as everyone else. Castin has a different modding philosophy as they do and so rules are being applied differently to me. Which is unfair. 

If I somehow stay in this game I will be gone a week. Castin seems to want to ban me for a debate I had in good fun. I even PMed my opponent who has I think been permanently banned. He came back on an alt account t to thank me for the debate and tell me he enjoyed it. He clearly was not offended and was also having a hit of fun with me. 

I will go with the majority on mharman club when time is near expiration 

Dude are you really this dense. What I said can not be simplified or dumber down any further. A member of town can accuse you of being scum and a member if the scum team can defend you. It does not indicate affiliation 

You know that scum can defend you and that town can thi k you are guilty right? 

Logical fallacies are normal. Most of the stuff we say or do is done with cognitive biases that color our decisions. 

Don't  try to not get lynched. Not your obligation. Just look for scum

You flipping g innocent wouldn't expose them either. Just silliness

Not sure why you would do this. It could have easily turned into a GP lynch. No matter what your affiliation. This move was wrong

self voting should be a policy lynch at the very least

Some body plug in bayes theorem and tell me the true odds of this

The numbers are actually worse for me, because I assume option 3 is only about a 10% likelihood put option one at about 60% and option 2 at 30%

Current possibilities

1. Club is unwitting participant in mharmans plot

2. Club is witting participant 

3. There is no conspiracy all is coincidence. 

If club flips guilty than we are left with

2. Witting participant

3. Coincidence

If he flips innocent

1. Unwitting

3. Coincidence

If mharman flips guilty

1. Witting

2. Unwitting

If he flips innocent

3. Here coincidence

A mharman lynch gives us more information than a club lynch assuming every possibility is 33%.

Also assuming these numbers are accurate it also makes mharman 66% to be scum and club only 33%

Stop it. Clubs affiliation would not clear or condemn mharman though the opposite is possibly true

I don't consider their affiliation when weighing that decision. I consider whether it is beneficial to claim. It is also stupid to weigh the decision on that from his angle. He o ly suspected them as OMGUS if he is innocent, and only people who think you are scum will ask for claims generally speaking, so by his reasoning. In every possible world it will mean he deflects no matter who asks him. It is also odd that he was acting so abstractly instead of just flatly saying "No I won't claim"

He can not be confirmed back up. He asked my affiliation and claimed back up after I claimed vanilla. I die at the same time as whoever is lynched making his claim unprovable

Yes it will. Because it seems like he is leading him and like there is an orchestrated strategy behind it controlled and implemented by mharman. The strategy uses club but is independent of club so it would do more to know whether this strategy is real or not. Club flipping innocent means he was an unwitting participant. But mharman flipping innocent shows he could not be a witting participant eliminating one possibility. Apply bayes theorem here and you will see mharman's flip is more important than clubs

It is either smart to claim or not. It is irrelevant  what affiliation the people who are asking are

Yeah suspect as fuck. Honestly though my vote is only on mharman or GP though and I will eagerly be building a wagon whatever name my vote is for. I suggest you only pick from those 2 wagons

I want town directed kills and with the inactivity on this site it takes time to build a wagon. With 24 house left we need to conclude our decision and start building 

No, new claims won't expose him. I disagree that the number of vanilla is significant

My reads don't  matter now information will make them irrelevant DP3 and time for discussion is over. We have 2 lynch choices

That is fair. I will switch my vote to mharman when you do

I don't  care GP. I have a lot of influence over the lynch direction and I have decided that we can't have 3 wagons so it is you or mharman. My preference is mharman but you aren't cooperating and until you do, it has to be you

If you have any solid reasons for town reading GP give them to me now

Right now we have 3 options. Lynch you, GP or mharman. So make your pick and post your VTL

Okay we can lynch GP

GP at this point it is either you or mharman and you won't cooperate

Post 380 GP mentions that mharman is poisoner but wants to target club. Club and mharman are o  your town list above GP and right now it is either kill 2 of the top3 people on your town list or GP. Let's lynch GP

Here is what mharman is doing that typical scum do. When townies face pressure about being scum they will often explain they are town and give reasons why. Mharman is not really doing that. He is just attacking the logic used against him. Statements like him explaining my logic is dumb because UB is always town and numerous other similar things. I think it is highly unlikely mharman is town. 

Greyparrot is starting to bother me now though. He says he thinks mharman is most likely the poisoner on the scum team but prefers to lynch club. I don't understand that logic

The problem with GPs analysis there is that he is focused on mharman's logic and not his thought process. I think I mharman is the best lynch now anyway. That problem with GP is similar but different to mharman's scum tell of attacking the logic of the arguments against him.

Of we did explore a club/GP path I think I'd prefer to lynch Disc but I would need to be convinced. Claiming disc is riding GPs nuts is not enough to convince me. 

What are your reads?

Actually supa might be a better target. He was online 9 hours ago and is in the top 3 on the leaderboards of people who post too much. So usually more active. He is probably a better option