YouFound_Lxam

So, you are telling me that you can become gay?

I grew up catholic so that catholic guilt colors my psyche. But beyond that, even focusing on the words of Jesus instead of the rest of the New Testament can be disheartening. He said we r judged by how we act, we can't know we r saved, some sins r unforgivable. What do those of us think who know we r wretched sinners? Modern Protestantism gives a different spin on all these issues, but if we take the gospels as they r, it can be very upsetting. No wonder there's so much depression and sorrow in the world.

we r judged by how we act

we can't know we r saved

some sins r unforgivable

If you believe that sexual preference can be changed, and that homosexuals can and ought to be expected to change their sexuality, then it follows that your own sexual preference can be changed, if you really wanted to. 

But if you ask a homosexual to change their sexual preference, isn't this the same forcing?

So, no matter how long you try, you cannot love someone you cannot. Then how can you expect homosexuals to love someone they do not? 

The part of your bible statement is the problem that Jesus, being God to begin with (1 Timothy 2:5), can't give Himself the throne of David because He is NOT an ancestor to David to begin with because Jesus had to be from the flesh of King David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30).  But, Mary was a LEVITE, as fully explained within the scriptures,  that delivered Jesus. Therefore, since Joseph had nothing to do with the "Virgin Birth," who was from the line of David, then Jesus celestially impregnating His own mother through spiritual incest, cannot be from the flesh of King David, and therefore He is not the Messiah as well, period!  

Poor Jesus gets such a bad reputation when one actually READS THE BIBLE. Sad indeed. :(

then why don't you change your preference for a month and become homosexual?

If you really think sexual preferences are changeable, how about you become gay for a month and see if how that turns out.

Do you think sexuality is changeable?

I really don't see a civil war between the political parties, rather a split from the neo con/lib uniparty rule.

I kind of see a similar outcome to what happened to Russia in the 80's where the central planners in Moscow declared bankruptcy, and then allowed people to choose balkanization. How many more years do you think the pentagon will get away with losing 2 trillion dollars?

And the fact that homosexuality is by nature innate and unchangeable by sheer will meaning they will not change.

No. It goes against what god says about homosexuals and homosexuality.

No matter how much you attempt to play it down, your god hates homosexuals. 

That was never the /MY argument. I didn't and haven't disputed that point at all.  And neither has anyone else on this thread.

I only reminded you and as early as post #7 that your god certainly does  "hate homosexuals".

You  could have "rested rest your case" way back then instead of arguing simply for arguments sake.

Like I said above, "Christians"  maybe don't hate homosexuals, but your god -  the god of the Christian bible most certainly does and insists that they be put to death there and then.#57

Why do you disagree with them?

See so what you are doing is

• "because naturalism cannot explain the existence of living organisms, life was created by God" 
  

You'll notice that this God of the Gaps argument is quite popular amongst Ancient Greeks 

• "because naturalism cannot explain lightning, lightning was created by God". 
  

If you believe the first to be valid, you must also hold that the second is. Of course, neitehr are sound nor valid. 

Like I said above, "Christians"  maybe don't hate homosexuals, but your god -  the god of the Christian bible most certainly does and insists that they be put to death there and then.

 Yes and we are talking a Homo SEXUAL DESIRE  which is an abomination in the eyes of  god. Stop trying to play  down the seriousness of this offence in the eyes of god.

This particular offence  is singled out by god to be an absolute abhorrence, and you are trying to play it down as just another sin among all other sins.  And this is devious of you. Or you simply do not understand what you are reading when reading the bible.

Stop it!  To covet is a sin.  Because to covet can lead to worse things such as murder or in the case of the homosexual it can lead to sexual deviancy in the eyes of god for which the homosexual should be "put to death". 

The verse posted by the Brother proves this fact. HERE>>

Brother D. Thomas wrote: This is in the same context as committing ADULTERY in looking at a woman with TEMPTATION of lustful intent:  ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent>>>>>>>>>>> has already committed adultery with her in his heart."<<<<<<<<<<<< (Matthew 5:27-28)  

Just thinking about it is a sin. It is thought sin/crime.

This is where you are being intentionally evasive and deceptive. Your god specifically says that homosexuals should be put to death. Your god nor the bible does not say homosexuals will suffer in hell or anywhere else for that matter; But should be put to death in the here and now moment. 

The Brother takes his scriptures serious- far too serious imo.  I have had my own run-ins with the Brother D over the years. But I can guarantee you this;

the Brother  won't deny what is written in the bible.

He won't attempt to re-write scripture.

He won't attempt to re define words and their meanings to  win an argument, and the Brother does not try to defend the indefensible with blatant lies, denials and contradictions. Nor will he play semantics, nearly  all have which you have displayed from the day you started posting on the religion forum.

Like I said above, "Christians"  maybe don't hate homosexuals, but your god -  the god of the Christian bible most certainly does and insists that they be put to death there and then.

 You obviously missed the brackets. Yes or no - does your argument serve as a logical step towards the Christian God?

You realise that every single one of these arguments fail via the God of the Gaps fallacy - the notion that because the naturalistic world viewcannot explain X phenomenon, whether it be the moral law or actualistion of human life, and that this entails the God hypothesis as the answer. Essentially, assuming Gods existence as the presupposed status quo.

The problem I tend to run into is that most pro-lifers tend to believe in souls (usually instilled in the zygote at fertilization). Some will use words like "conscience" or "humanity," but essentially they're pointing at something that you can't prove is there.

And you clearly cannot read because I said change all my mentions of “Christian God” to just “God”.

You just cannot admit it or tell the truth  when caught cold can you?     It might well be human nature but to covet is  a sin. Stop trying to play down the seriousness of the  coveted "sin" in gods eyes.

And being homosexual is a sin.

Which is what?

 Exactly Brother D. 

YouFound_Lxam wanted someone to engage him in a civil conversation/discussion. But then simply resorts to telling lies and making up excuses  just like Tradesecret always does when he has painted himself into a corner.

I suppose we can expect YouFound_Lxam to start redefining words for us anytime soon which is also another trait of the Reverend Tradsecret.

To covet  these abominations is a sin.

And what is the punishment for homosexuals that commit homosexual acts?

What about sin?

Did anyone pray for Judas? Did God forgive Judas.  Did anyone pray for Satan?  Has God forgiven Satan?

"But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born. ”Matthew 26:24 <<< I see

No. I have nothing to be "mad" about.

But you are attempting to rewrite scripture and are contradicting that which is actually written .  

You have to get over the fact that if you are going to persist that "god" created everything in the whole universe then he created homosexuals and then called it an "abomination" then he ordered capital punishment  for those who participate in homosexual act.

Strange that there is nothing in the commandments or the whole of the bible that condemns paedophilia. I wonder, is this why it is rife in most religious cults? 

Stop it!  The biblical facts are clear.  Playing semantics won't work. Your god hated homosexuality and homosexuals and ordered them put to death.

Arsenokoitai refers to 'man' and 'bed' and the context is generally accepted to be sexual and negative. I get how some who have hard feelings about homosexuality might equivocate here, but I think that might be going beyond what was intended. 'Arsenokoitai' can be referring to abusive sex acts men might commit with other men or boys and not necessarily homosexuality in general.

I don't claim to be an expert in languages, but I think it is fair to point out the biblically supported condemnation of homosexuality might not be biblical after all.

I think in several places it condemns men from laying with men. It's not a condemnation of homosexuality to say it, it's more a condemnation of homosexuals caving to their urges, but I don't think it started in 1946. 

So are you offended by Trump saying he was better than Washington and Lincoln?

Astronomers indirectly detect dark matter through its gravitational influences on stars and galaxies.

Kind of rare to see a Republican care about black people

Genuinely curious… If Biden proclaimed himself to be a better president than Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, how would you react?

I find this argument irrelevant. It does not matter if your trans friends put up with your disrespect and most people would not stand for it. In addition, your trans friends do not speak for every trans person in existence.

It is not the trans community mocking Christianity, it is just dirtbags. Of course there are going to be trans people mocking Christians, just like there will be cis people, tall people, gingers, elderly people from Ecuador, etc. I am afraid you are drawing conclusions out of no where; you saw one group of trans people say they don't like Jesus people and now decide no trans people are Christian and hate the religion?

By the way, lgbt Christians exist.  

I agree with this article, and so do many trans people. 'I was born in the wrong body' is old rhetoric that I think only really was used to help cis people understand trans people. Anyway, since gender and sex are individual things, you are going to get women with a whole range of body types (eg xx, xy, xxy, xo). There is nothing wrong with this and how God intended it to be, people are just hateful. I also know that transphobia is heavily intertwined with racism and is not just 'Christian beliefs'.

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:1-2 NIV

Ok then facts don't care about your belief in God. According to what you just said, Christianity, Judaism, Shinto, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism and many others are not a thing and should not be adhered to because "facts don't care about your feelings".

 Also what do you mean by:

People especially in America don't get that, because we are coddled by all of our riches.

This point has no relevance to the rest of the statement. What do your facts and people being mean have to do with the US's GDP?

Ok so first of all, it is a scientifically proven fact that gender and sex are different, facts don't care about your feelings. If you do not agree please show your sources.

Secondly, you are also wrong there are more than 2 biological sexes. Intersex people exist. (https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity/whats-intersex#:~:text=What%20does%20intersex%20mean%3F,male%E2%80%9D%20or%20%E2%80%9Cfemale%E2%80%9D.)

I feel like you are mixing up actual gender and labels. Gender is a feeling and some people choose to use different labels to describe it, like a tool. There are not hundreds of genders, rather hundreds of labels

You mean the western social norm. Different cultures across the world have different gender norms. For example, two-spirit in Native American, Muxes in Mexico, Hijras in South Asia, etc. I recommend checking this source out: (https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/)

You mean the western social norm. Different cultures across the world have different gender norms. For example, two-spirit in Native American, Muxes in Mexico, Hijras in South Asia, etc.

No one is identifying as a bird.

Not sure if you were trying to be funny or you are not educated.

If you don't want to change your mind, no one can help you but it becomes a problem when you start being disrespectful, and saying things like "I honestly don't care if someone wants to identify as a bird, or the opposite gender".

First of all, don't compare being trans to being a furry or whatever, 

secondly these micro-aggressions cost people their lives.

Trans people get murdered on the street, 82% of trans people consider suicide. It's not a joke. (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/).

Almost think I agree here, as I can't see "gravity" or "time," but then I can demonstrate quite easily the existence of both.

I bet you wouldn’t dare criticize corporations making politicians woke corporatists.

It's completely uncompelling, though. If some nameless being in a dimension we can't confirm exists decided to somehow 'start' the universe in a way that we can't describe, and it doesn't interact in any demonstrable way with reality...well what's the point of believing in it? And how, more importantly, do you get from this nameless entity to the god you believe in? That's the important part. 

I am an agnostic atheist, other combinations are valid as well.

These Christians would like a word. They seem super into being inclusive and loving , and they're also using the actual words in the BIBLE to support their position. And they're not REMOTELY alone. I'm glad for any Christian person who's not hating on gays, but to say you speak for most Christians seems to need a little more background. 

Is it not possible that literally ANYTHING could exist in a dimension that's yet to be discovered? I presume you don't have the entire circle filled in either, right? So, let's try and see.

Could a Priffleprimp exist in a dimension that hasn't been discovered yet?

Also, your argument isn't for a capital G god. It's a terrible argument, but it's a terrible argument for Deism, not for any specific religion. Watch again:

Could Zeus exist in a dimension you haven't discovered yet?

n your argument, there are only two options.

1) God exists

2) God doesnt exist