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@PressF4Respect
*says I'm not confirmed anything*
*gets on me for not saying I'm town confirmed*
Pick one. You dont get both.
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@PressF4Respect
Who ever said anything about CCing my role? No one CC'd my RESULTS, except for you trying and failing today.
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@SirAnonymous
Okay, I know you're not that dumb. But you're probably not mafia. I'm saying that my role as a watcher is more or less confirmed at this point by lack of CC. I've never made the claim that I'm town confirmed.
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@SirAnonymous
Have I tried to say I'm confirmed town?Yes.
<br>My claim
You wut m8
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@PressF4Respect
I haven't had my role results CC'd for two nights in a row, despite your best attempt to make it look sketchy. If that's not role confirmation in a game this small, idk what is.
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Wait, what's the mafia mindset behind a Pie NK?
Tfw you realize your watch target was terrible.
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@PressF4Respect
since you aren't confirmed.
Have I tried to say I'm confirmed town?
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@Speedrace
Doesn't your idea kinda assume I'm scum in the first place?
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@PressF4Respect
Actually, no let's go deeper. How can you confirm my role next DP without telling me who to watch?
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@PressF4Respect
<br>and that by redirecting your action to Sir, I could prevent you from lynching someone, resulting in a no-lynch.
Reword this, it makes no sense.
your claim (if true) can be confirmed by the beginning of DP3.
My claim is everything but technically confirmed after two DPs without anyone CCing results.
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@SirAnonymous
Youd prefer testing a claim over lynching scum if we find a better target?
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@Lunatic
We're not ending the DP any time soon (or shouldn't be). Might as well add pressure.
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Moreover, why are we wanting to test his claim right now? The DP just started and we want to end it already just to test a claim? Are you people thinking about these things before you say them?
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@SirAnonymous
The fuck are you doing? There's never a pro town reason to vote yourself.
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@Lunatic
React to my vote and reasoning to pressure PressF. Then vote for him.
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Actually
VTL PRESSF
there's no townie reasoning to redirecting an investigative role. The only reason to want to mess with my results is if youre scum.
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@drafterman
So drafter clarified I cant be redirected. To quote his response,
Hypothetically, a redirector can only redirect roles that actually visit other targets. Classically, watcher has been considered to be a passive role that doesn't visit its targets. Your role PM does not explicitly say that you visit your target. So that is not something that can be redirected. That has always been my understanding of the role.
He can confirm if that's his understanding of the role or not.
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@SirAnonymous
Already asking drafter some questions about the interaction. I'll let you know when he answers me.
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@PressF4Respect
You need a lot more elaboration than that. You interfered with town's only way of gathering info in the NP. That's scummy as fuck.
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@PressF4Respect
Wait, you redirected the only claimed investigation role in the game? Why?
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@ILikePie5
You're my strongest town read. Why wouldn't I watch you?
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@ethang5
Yes. You proposed an idea. I'm giving you feedback. Its kinda how these things work.you thought it more relevant to tell us your opinion of my opinion.
yet you're here adding to politics
I'm adding to politics? What am I adding, out of curiosity? I wanna add strippers.
DDO elite
Fuck, ya got me there.
Because most people debate in line with their political views.
Why do you believe that's true? I'd argue that most competitive debate forces people to defend ideas that aren't in line with their personal views.
Because most people (including mods) vote in line with their political views.
So a liberal mod is always going to vote for a liberal position, regardless of what actually happens in the debate? That's a little bit of a stretch, don'tcha think?
South African whites
#outtanowhere
Then what exactly are you doing here?
Havin' a nice conversation with you. How ya doin', buddy?
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@ethang5
So you think the voting system is OK?
No. Did I say that?
political association
You put waaaaaaaaay too much value on this. I have three debates on DART, sure. I have close to 300 on DDO, defending issues on both sides of the isle. Why does political ideology necessarily matter when it comes to competitive debate?
If Dart's online debate voting is "shitty"
Oh it's not DART specific. DDO had shitty voting too. So did edeb8. So does every online debate platform I've seen.
why are you trying to debate in that "shitty" system
Because i have fun doing so?
And why are you attacking me instead of suggesting solutions?
Bruh, if that's an "attack" on you, then maybe you should take a step back and cool off. I'm not trying to attack anyone.
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@ethang5
Bruh, you politicize shitty online debate voting way too much.
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Contentional* not centennial. Wtf autocorrect...
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@PressF4Respect
Again, this isn't a debate. Mafia isn't a game of logic where if you're winning on your centennial arguments for someone to be mafia, they're suddenly mafia. It's a game of reading behavior and understanding mindstates. You can certainly feel like you "debunked" his reasons, but he still might not believe you.
In short, mafia's a game where saying "I got a gut feeling" can be just as compelling a reason as a five page paper on posts and scum tells
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@PressF4Respect
Gratz. So what?
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@Speedrace
1. What questions have I dodged outside of you wanting a doctoral thesis on my press read?
2. Go back a few pages and read what I've posted on this "confirm my role" bs then come back here.
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Also, I haven't posted a case on F4 because I've been going back on my read on him a bit, as referenced by my post saying "hey maybe my read on him is just omgus".
My vote's on him because there's no time left, there's not time to organize anything else and he happens to be my strongest scum read, not because I think he's definitively scum. If I had a preference my vote wouldn't be on anyone.
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@PressF4Respect
Looked at it. What am I supposed to be seeing? If I recall correctly I already responded to half of it.
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@PressF4Respect
Post number. I'm tired and not digging through the dp for it.
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@PressF4Respect
This isn't a debate. You can "cover" any "illogical" plays youd like but people can still just not believe you.
Also, the key word in your post is you're looking for a valid reason, which you won't ever find because people are voting for you - you're obviously not going to find their reasons valid because it's you they're voting for.
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Damnit.
VTL Press
We're not gonna get time to do something else.
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@ILikePie5
Null leaning town. Not a fan of some of his analysis but nothing super sus yet.
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@SirAnonymous
Bruh, I can recommend a good AA therapist for all the wine you're going through
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@SirAnonymous
<br>Also, if I'm mafia, why would I try to get someone who could protect me killed while making myself look suspicious in the process?
WIFOM
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@SirAnonymous
You said this
if I'm scum, then he [Pie] definitely needs to die because he will protect me from lynching.
After saying youd be down to lynch Pie.
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