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Sir anon, are you sure that you're not scum?
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@ILikePie5
I have and it sounds pretty bad, but I dont see us getting a wagon together in time.
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@Lunatic
@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
There's four hours left in the day. Get active.
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@drafterman
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@SirAnonymous
I watched Lunatic and no one visited him.
Shit, I just shared results. That must make me town confirmed then huh. /s
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unvote
I'll be around to put it back on.
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@Lunatic
What's the hard on for Pie?
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Also, for people on my dick about results - the entire conversation that spawned this "point" between speed and I ended fuckin 10 pages ago when I told him if I had something relevant to reveal that I'd do it. All of this is based around a fucking hypothetical of "what would my results be tomorrow".
If people really want me to give results, why has no one asked me for NP1 results? because this whole "Zaradi doesn't want to share results" is a bullshit strawman of my statement.
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Jesus, maybe my f4 read is just omgus. I need to read again
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@PressF4Respect
Bruh, you said that
watcher is an informative role, it would only really make sense in an alignment with more than one person in it.
To which I replied
The mafia, as a faction, can have more than one person. Hence why the Lookout role exists.
For you to then turn around and say
In this game, THERE IS ONE SCUM.
Makes zero fucking sense to the context of what I said. The fact of the matter is super simple: my role has a town variant and a mafia variant. To say if I confirm my role then I confirm my affiliation is factually incorrect
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@Lunatic
The set up document says we can joint with angel so no reason to care about pie being tp.
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@Lunatic
Cant we joint win with Angel?
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People need to stop talking about game balance. Drafter has said multiple times roles were randomized and also clarified they were randomized without concern for balance.
As for people talking about me "not wanting to confirm my role", I've already said I'd give results if giving results did anything - if I watch someone and no one visits them, then that doesn't confirm me, hence why would I share it unless I need to use it to CC?
I'm still on a F4 lynch today. Since people don't want to read through the DP themselves to develop their own reads I'll write out the case when I get home from work in ~3 hours.
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@PressF4Respect
VTLing someone for no explicit reason, and then encouraging everyone else to wagon, appears to me (at least) to be scum trying to scapegoat someone else.
Wouldn't I need a reason to lynch you to turn you into a scapegoat?
watcher is an informative role, it would only really make sense in an alignment with more than one person in it.
The mafia, as a faction, can have more than one person. Hence why the Lookout role exists. So since there's a town and scum-side to my role, role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation. Saying otherwise is scummy.
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Nvm, 327 looks townie as fuck. I'mma sleep and go over this again tomorrow.
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@Speedrace
Why does that make my analysis wrong? I mean, maybe the only scenario I'd see is if I ignore, like, Bomb/Hunter or Bomb/Redirector then town doesn't look weak as hell, but even with that it's a far cry to say that town is strong.
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@SirAnonymous
The abusive doctor that roleblocks the person they're protecting? Cool, so how do you protect the watcher from getting NK'd without making the watcher useless? Is that really that strong?
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Actually, rescind my analysis a bit. Hunter is only negative town utility if the Hunter misfires.
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Why do people think town is powerful? 1/3 of our roles are purely negative utility, another 1/3 are as much negative as positive, Speedrace's role (if true) is probably useless, and then I'm a less powerful cop. What's strong about town?
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@Speedrace
Why must mafia be strong?
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@Speedrace
Again, if the opportunity presents itself then sure. If I watch someone and no one visited them, that doesn't really confirm my role now does it?
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@PressF4Respect
So you really haven't been reading the conversation. Cool. I've been saying you aren't immature, Lunatic is saying that you are.
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@Lunatic
Is he always this stubborn?Oh hell ya.
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@Speedrace
If there's an opportunity to do so then sure. There isn't one right now.
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@Speedrace
@PressF4Respect
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@PressF4Respect
Have you missed me and Lunatic's entire conversation on whether your play can be described as immature or not?
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@Speedrace
Also, what power roles are you talking about? Two roles are purely negative utility (Bomb/Hunter), one role has some negative utility with positive utility (Nurse), and then there's a Redirector that isn't really positive or negative. Watcher is literally the only "power" role, and that's not even that powerful.
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@Speedrace
Weren't you just talking about how roles were randomized?
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@Speedrace
I said refusing to town confirm yourself is scummy, not withholding results
Confirming that I'm a watcher =/= confirming that I'm town.
And you haven't said WHY you think Press is Mafia (that I've seen), you literally said you wouldn't say why
I said I wouldn't say why to him. I explained a bit to Luna already.
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@Speedrace
I'm not asking you to role confirm someone else,
I'm aware. SirAnon was, however, as what you quoted was in response to.
I'm asking you to role confirm YOURSELFRefusal to do that with your vote on Press for no reason is extremely scummy
My vote's on Press because I think he's mafia. And no one's said why withholding results that don't implicate or do anything is scummy.
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@Lunatic
How do either of those rely on immaturity or bad logic?
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@Lunatic
Bad logic and immaturity can often be confused for scum tells.
Neither of which apply to why I think he's mafia. He's done close to nothing all DP long and his reactions to pressure have been super bad.
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@Lunatic
Blanket statements like (so and so is not getting lynched) don't phase me, never have.
Not trying to "phase you". But if you think we're lynching Pie anytime soon, then you're playing a different game of mafia than the rest of us. Use your time better.
You sound like FourTrouble.
Now there's some fucking irony lol.
I've been watching PressF's posts, I don't see a smoking gun argument against him yet,
This is DP1. If you're looking for a "smoking gun" argument to lynch anyone, then you might as well afk for the next few DPs.
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@PressF4Respect
Give valid reasons,
My point exactly.
and I will retract my vote.
That's cute, you think I care about your vote being on me.
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@Lunatic
I don't think he's mafia because he's been immature(?). I think his play reeks of scum-tells.
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@Lunatic
Pie's not getting lynched. Please do something more productive like examine F4's posts or follow Pie in his examination of Speedrace.
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@ILikePie5
Keep being irresponsible and lynch F4 with me. He's making his own case.
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@PressF4Respect
F4, I have zero reason to get into a drawn-out discussion of my reasoning with you when you have every incentive to argue with me and try to prove each point wrong. I'm not flooding the DP thread with that.Blatant cop-outVTL ZARADI
Damn that OMGUS is super scurry.
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@Lunatic
I'm more curious about the bomb than the hunter, if you're forcing me to pick, but both seem really unlikely lynches. Pie's one of my hardest town reads and there are bigger fish to fry than SirAnon
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@PressF4Respect
The comment you quoted was in his discussion of Speedrace's role PM shit, not in his desire for who you redirected last night and why.
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F4, I have zero reason to get into a drawn-out discussion of my reasoning with you when you have every incentive to argue with me and try to prove each point wrong. I'm not flooding the DP thread with that.
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@Lunatic
Why does it matter how his role works? He's not getting lynched.
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@ILikePie5
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@ILikePie5
He answered that one a while back. Lemme go find it.
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@ILikePie5
Wanna lynch F4 with me? Your vote's already on him btw.
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@Lunatic
I just realized something.
Dang it speed, I'm glad your on board with the plan, but I was hoping to go first to save you from claiming.
The fuck is this? Why suggest a mass claim (where everyone claims) then try to set it up where someone doesn't claim?
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@PressF4Respect
'Cuz I think you're scum.
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