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@WyIted
Another question. Do you think liberals might be more agreeable on issues like the border and crime if they weren't contending with actual legitimate self-proclaimed Nazis on the right? It's a give an inch take a mile kinda thing, right? A political tug of war. If liberals leave any slack at all, they're wiped.
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@WyIted
Does it not give you pause that you're aligned with white supremacists and literal Nazis? That Trump has previously refused to disavow white supremacists? That Trump's election saw a dramatic increase in hate crimes against minorities? That's the sort of stuff I'm wondering about here. Liberals aren't going to vote in the next Hitler.
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What are the worst case scenarios where liberals and conservatives take power?
I ask because I see some intelligent conservatives on here with possibly good cases against some liberal ideas. I mean, not sure either how good, but at least I'm seeing reasoning applied. I can see that they might have beliefs as to the genuine good of certain policies.
I ask because I see some intelligent conservatives on here with possibly good cases against some liberal ideas. I mean, not sure either how good, but at least I'm seeing reasoning applied. I can see that they might have beliefs as to the genuine good of certain policies.
But I haven't ever seen a conservative worry about what conservatism is at large. Liberals do. And which probably makes it harder for them to hear when conservatives have good points.
I think it's good personal politics, especially given a two-party system, to consider the broader implications of your party's ideology. This means acknowledging worst-case scenarios, understanding who and what sort of people might be empowered or emboldened, and just generally recognising potential negative outcomes.
To start, honestly, I think liberals are fairly harmless. Feel free to disagree.
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It's hard work man. I miss cocaine. Thanks buddy.
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Fairly sure this lady wants me to propose while we're over but that ain't happening either. Least I can do is not bring her to meet you.
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@WyIted
As much as you have always amused me over the years, and honestly as much as I like you straight up, I'm coming over with my lady for her dream holiday. I ain't bringing her to meet Wylted lol.
But I expect I'll be over again before long. My brother wanted us to go over for Paddy's Day but things didn't work out. We might try again in a couple of years. I expect I'll always be floating around this community.
But I expect I'll be over again before long. My brother wanted us to go over for Paddy's Day but things didn't work out. We might try again in a couple of years. I expect I'll always be floating around this community.
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I'm actually in New York in the next couple of months. You're New York right?
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I'll unblock you if you give me an honest answer. I am genuinely curious.
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@Swagnarok
The whole world is filled with countries whose people live far healthier lives than the average American. They are cheap to treat, and nationalizing healthcare wouldn't do much to screw this up. If you want to approach this from a "the evidence shows X" standpoint, then what this would require is a study (or national "case study") that controls for these factors.
You might be right. You're obviously a clever guy. Not the point I'm getting at either way. It's interesting that the mass of ordinary Americans seem to be against universal healthcare.
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@Swagnarok
No. The notion that "every Republican knows deep down universal healthcare would be great but he'll vote to keep himself from having it just so a random black stranger also doesn't have it" is absurd. That's not how people behave in real life.
The whole world knows its great. Every reputable world health organisation has America as having the worst healthcare outcomes whilst paying the most. You have American people devastated financially by illness all the time. Universal healthcare is peace of mind. Any ordinary person wants that. You gotta wonder why the ordinary American doesn't. Maybe because it's all tied up with other black friendly ideas like affirmative action by those do-gooder liberals.
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When was the last time you got some ass GP? Hookers or what do you do?
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@Swagnarok
I think that's a good post. Do you think if America was an ethnically homogenous country free healthcare and free college would be an easier sell?
Still curious as to an answer here when you get the chance. I find you a thoughtful person generally and I don't find much wrong in anything you've written in this thread. Or so much wrong anyway. But then I wonder how many liberals would? Pretty sure liberals don't want poverty, welfare and crime for black people. The need for affirmative action might have been obviated by free college in general. Does seem more of a band aid fix. And that's All Lives Matter for you too. I don't think anyone thinks you're bigoted because you'd like to see less crime, less unemployment, less dependency on welfare. There's discussions to be had there.
It's this stuff I think is bigoted. Trump gets elected and you see an 86% increase in anti-Semetic incidents in 2017. 91% increase and anti-Muslim hate crimes. Let alone all the trans antagonism.
What are you hitching your wagon to here? Black crime is a problem, sure. I'm sure a lot of liberals would love to solve it.
But it looks to me like the Nazis are coming over the hill. I guess maybe you were thinking more of a final solution.
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@WyIted
Doubt it. There's two really unique things about America amongst developed nations: the racial circumstances around a freed slave minority and the lack of universal healthcare and free college. There's only one reason rednecks Americans are voting against free healthcare. It isn't cowboy movies.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
It's Grammarly on steroids dude. I gave it bullet points.
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@Swagnarok
I think that's a good post. Do you think if America was an ethnically homogenous country free healthcare and free college would be an easier sell?
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Gotta say, from those above posts it really does sound like you don't have much of clue about anything and don't want to think much about anything either. Yet in the next thread you're talking about civil war and preventing the vile from procreating. That's a funny radicalism. I think you just don't like people.
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I'll give you that maybe liberals are overprotective of minorities. Maybe a few conservatives get to be not so racist in that world. But I dunno, Hitler put 6 million Jews into concentration camps like only a few generations ago. A few more before that the black man was a slave in America. You guys are toeing a line.
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@WyIted
I think that my impulse is to just say nothing is racist because a sizable portion of the left calls everything racist.
I forgot gays in the earlier post. Blacks. Gays. Trans. Immigrants. Refugees. Jews.
Dunno what to tell you man. That right wing politics targets minorities is a very easy differentiation to make between right and left politics. That's the whole agenda.
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@cristo71
Nothing offhand. Keep an ear out. Bit hard to find examples now with all the right-wing "triggered" fetish shit on Youtube. Interesting phenomenon that too though.
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It's a dreary country. We drink. The drugs are a modern sickly offshoot of that I guess. It's a shame because the pubs are good culture.
The rest of your post is dopey.
The rest of your post is dopey.
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@WyIted
Irish politics
We're basically post-political. We don't have any of your hyper contentious issues. Nobody ever talks about politics or thinks anything's wrong with anything really.
Just a bunch of Dublin scumbags blaming Ukrainians for a housing crisis.
Just a bunch of Dublin scumbags blaming Ukrainians for a housing crisis.
So, dunno what you're talking about tbh.
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@WyIted
About 80 million of those actually vote conservative. It seems hard to believe that they are all racist.
Why is that hard to believe? This is what politics is the world over. All right wing politics has some minority in its crosshairs always. Blacks. Immigrants. Refugees. Jews.
It's utterly fantastical to believe that 150 million people are understanding complex political realities and voting based on a thorough grasp of policies related to those realities.
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Jordan Peterson's regular hysterics, maybe the best example.
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@HistoryBuff
I dunno too much about your politicians tbh but definitely social commentators like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Stephen Crowder etc., they just get this screech sometimes that you never hear from their liberal counterparts. There's definitely an anguished conservative tone. Your conservative politicians might just be true psychopaths though.
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@WyIted
Politics is about other people. Either you like people or you don't. That's the biggest division in politics. Conservatives are the racist, bigoted side.
There's more to it if you're clever and conscientious, but 150 million voting Americans ain't.
There's more to it if you're clever and conscientious, but 150 million voting Americans ain't.
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OP was 7 sentences. You lost it all to the last one. Then regurgitated a garbled mess of meaningless bullshit. Atlas Drooled more like.
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Brutality over benevolence. That's probably inherently nationalistic. I dunno if the economic structure matters as much. Probably not very socialist.
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@DavidAZZ
What's any of that stuff you just wrote have to do with transgenders?
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I asked chatgpt to help me write it because I'm lazy:
That's probably more or less what I wanted to say.
Thoughts?
I find conservatives are far more likely to lose composure or "crack" than liberals because liberals stand steadfast on a pillar of humanity. And it amuses me.
Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is,and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely;and pined his loss
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@DavidAZZ
Have you considered the possibility that maybe you're just some dumb, weirdo bigot? Reading your posts, it's hard to imagine you have any sort of real economic plan for your country.
Eliminate trans
Eliminate trans
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profit
Good man.
Good man.
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@WyIted
Lowest life expectancy of any developed country. Consistently ranked as having worst healthcare outcomes by every reputable world health organisation. All whilst paying the most, by far, for healthcare.
But some crackpot multiplies a number by 9 in an article on some nowhere libertarian website and refutes all that.
But some crackpot multiplies a number by 9 in an article on some nowhere libertarian website and refutes all that.
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Double_R is a tireless champion of human decency. But these apes aren't hearing it. Well, maybe the younger ones. David sounded a bit manic up there, was a fun read. But shame erodes with years. Reading Greyparrot posts is like watching lemon party.
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I don't know why you lot seem to pretend that the mass of conservatives aren't racist POS. That's the divide you see the world over. The populist movements in Europe are all reaction to the waves of immigrants and refugees coming in from Syria and Ukraine and wherever else. Brexit was all about immigrants. American politics is unique in a number of ways - healthcare, education, probably guns too - all because of your unique circumstances around race where you have a resented and resentful minority group living amongst you. Conservatives hate the thought of a penny going to a black man. If America was ethnically homogenous you'd have free healthcare and education tomorrow. Trump is popular because of the wall and because he says a whole bunch of daft shit which opens the doors for racist conservatives to say their daft shit. I mean, I know it's a debate site, but what's the point of the conversation here? They're Nazis. Somebody has to be. Let's call a spade a spade here.
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We are perversions of truth every one of us. You, quite spectacularly.
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You were doing well, RM. Back to write another million words. Honestly sorry to see it man.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I know you go after people and I haven't really seen you go after ideas. How about you stay and address the arguments instead of calling people creepy and storming off.Then if someone else is muddying up the water with ad hominema and spam you could have a leg to stand on.
I do not seriously engage these clowns because like oro I recognise their "opinions" not as reasoned and amenable to reason but as compulsions. Who knows why he goes on to engage them, but.
It's like sex, ADOL. Your brain's a maze to be traversed towards orgasm or dopamine injection. You've carved out pathways. Not so easy to make new pathways. Now if truth really is your ultimate end, maybe, but who has truth as an ultimate end with so much else to get hung up on. So I'll point out to Kaitlyn that she's adopted and mad at her genes and feeling inferior and just wanting to make someone hurt. Because that's her truth. It's the maze she's lost in. It's the best thing anyone could do for her to point that out. Anything else is banging your head against a brick wall. That or walking through your own maze.
And you're a bit of fun too of course. Never read anyone as deeply poetic about freedom of speech and debate and ultimate truth and no idea too repulsive, as you. But then it's just very convenient that you also like to fuck your pets. I mean, what are we doing here? Truth could be your safeword. The site's a ruin, has been let become a ruin. Debate is for the self aware.
Couldn't resist.
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I've asked for my own ban, just waiting on that now. Wasn't going to bother with a goodbye because who cares, but since I can still login this morning, may as well close it off myself. Just no interest tbh dudes. I laid it all out in these last few threads. I'm a grown ass adult and this is a choice I will not be making. If you want to play house with this bunch of degenerates, well, I think you're a fucking idiot tbh but with all love lol. Really is just a shame. Think only Danielle and sadolite are beating me for longevity. I mean the elections era was stupid too, site became so cliquey and was just a bunch of dozy bitches and dopey boys and every sensible adult left the site. Became an extension of Google Hangouts pretty much. Was much less the pure fun of ideas we used to have. You know, this community used to be full up of Brits and Australians, anyone who spoke English. Dunno, long fall. But this is by far the worst I've ever seen it. I mean it's a shame to miss out on the good and clever folk, but fucking hell you lot should be making the same choice as me. Choose better for yourself. Seriously, some of you are great. Been a pleasure to know you. I'm gonna get real fucking good at guitar is what I'm gonna do.
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I'm gonna call it gross negligence for a moderator to recognise someone as a sociopath and not ban them.
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@oromagi
- At its core, debate was invented and still mostly exists as practice for law in a democratic society. If we want to attract real debaters, we must demonstrate our respect for laws.
oro this is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Even Wylted is calling for his ban. Nobody cares if we ban one piece of shit user. Everyone cares if we don't. We all got to see his shrill shitty posts every single day. Click into the Society board and see what you're choosing for. Have a think about how many people and what sort of people are going to come join you in that choice.
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@oromagi
If the answer is no, then I oppose banning TWS.
You can't be for real dude.
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I really think we can just be rid of him here. No one bats an eye.
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@FLRW
Do you remember that weird religious lady with the black ukulele avatar that looked just a little bit too much like...
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This is yet another argument badger runs away from.
Just to be very clear here. I am not running away from anything. It's just that neither you or your posts interest me in the slightest. Your life on here is shit on trans people, shit on black people, and mopey suicidal antinatalism threads because waah you're adopted. And it's a pity because that might have been interesting if only you weren't just so dim. I find you ugly to look at, I'll say so. I'd rather I didn't have to look at you. Maybe others would too. None of this is inviting your conversation. That should be obvious.
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@TWS1405_2
You laughed in the face of and jeered at someone who had just suffered great tragedy and loss.
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