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It's clear you are full of hate and prejudice, and you have zero business accusing us of bearing this attribute.
I don't hate you. I guess I find myself frustrated by you.
We are the party of legal immigration.
Until you're the party of concentration camps. You were ready for Israel to destroy all of Palestine to get Hamas about 10 posts ago.
Twitter is a shithole where right wing lunatics foment hate. The site has been weaponised. Baffles me that you would sneer about it being banned tbh. It must be because you're on the wrong side of dangerous rhetoric.
Those 40 million Brazilians can do something else. Read a book. They're in no danger from their government. They'll get their vote next election.
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There really isn't a drop of self awareness on the right. This new "weird" campaign is such a winner for the democrats, finally getting to the heart of the whole thing. You've always been such a bunch of socially inept fuckfaces. Just eyesores, man. Just play some video games and leave us all alone.
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So deluded man. Ban a cesspit website where human decency and common sense are regularly subverted (and by right-wing lunatics every single time btw) and you're among the worst fascists alive in the world today. Ya, good one. Meanwhile you're locking kids in cages and carrying out an endless tirade against a group of people who dare to express themselves harmlessly in some way you deem unfit, looking real ready to roll out the concentration camps again when the next Hitler comes along. A politics predicated on hating other people entirely.
Ya know, this is what comes of letting the truly sexually aberrant into politics. And by that I mean the sexless and the repressed. It's just all these weirdo control issues and warped ideas. The rest of us are just out here living our lives man. Do you really think you've got any place telling us how when you're so clearly abnormal? Hating the thought of another coloured person entering the country. Hating the thought of any freedom in sex. I don't know how you don't see that this is all the same autistic shit that made Nazi eugenics. Just play some video games or something and shut up man. All conservatism is retarded weirdo bullshit. Humanity will be everything it will be. Was always a rainbow.
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So why can't our benevolent government get those prices and resell the insulin directly to the people? Why do they need to threaten the companies if they sell above this 1/10th price?
That sounds like socialised healthcare to me. Good idea.
People in need of food are desperate and will pay, but the food production chain is hyper competitive with small profit margins all around. Why?
Comparing precision engineered medicine to food which literally grows on trees for the most part is silly. They're not so desperate and they in this instance are not a small subsection of the population that the rest of us have left to the sharks. If your whole country had diabetes and it looks like its trending that way, then you'd have cheap insulin. The drug companies and your insurance companies are preying on vulnerable people.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Just because you don't see the cost, doesn't mean it was cheap.
It was cheap. We pay a tenth of the price for insulin that you do. We spend half of what you do on healthcare in general whilst having better outcomes. We're buying our drugs from the same companies that you are.
It's pretty obvious what's happening here. People in need of insulin are desperate and will pay. The drug companies and your insurance providers are taking advantage. Spoils your libertarian dream.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The only reason it would possibly be overpriced is that the government is stealing money to pay for it (oh wait that's exactly what is happening) while simultaneously making it impossible for for competition to emerge (oh wait that's exactly what is happening).
Like who knows what you're even saying here tbh. The reason it's overpriced is because you lot have no universal healthcare and dying desperate people are left to negotiate on their own behalf with predatory suppliers. Everywhere else in the world its cheap and plentiful because our governments negotiate on our behalf. The lions aren't let to pick off the weakest of the herd.
GP hammers out another reel of meaningless bullshit about nothing at all, thinks he's some sort of internet superhero. Surely has diabetes too right. Last pic I saw of you GP you were a lardass and then some.
GP hammers out another reel of meaningless bullshit about nothing at all, thinks he's some sort of internet superhero. Surely has diabetes too right. Last pic I saw of you GP you were a lardass and then some.
Literally zero problem with capping insulin prices. Doesn't have any negative consequences at all.
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Yeah you're a real hero. Write some more dumb posts.
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Dopey response. You can't just say yeah price capping for insulin is fine. Because you're some big weirdo who likes to write dumb shit
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So what's the problem with the price cap in the meantime? Then go ahead with your deregulation to your heart's content. Literally zero problem. 10x immediate reduction in price for life saving medication for dying people.
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That doesn't sound like so much deregulation unless you want to throw out IP altogether. Either way it's rich bastards gaming a system. Capping the price of insulin is utterly inconsequential.
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I see you have a whole retard thread about the price fixing stuff. I think it's a tricky issue anywhere else but insulin prices. Companies get too big to compete with then they can set prices as they like. That's obvious. We're getting rode. But who knows what the fix for it is besides abandoning capitalism altogether. But where people are straight up dying tomorrow because rich people are being greedy bastards, I think you can get away with some price fixing without toppling capitalism.
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https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive
https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/cost-of-insulin-by-country/
https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/cost-of-insulin-by-country/
I can't fathom what problem anyone could have with capped insulin prices in America where pharmaceutical companies are clearly price gouging. That's not competitive pricing. That's dying and desperate individuals being taken advantage of.
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Why are you writing this dopey shit on the internet? You can't believe you have an actual point. If Trump has a blow up with every person he meets or works with, Trump is probably the problem. If he were the manager of a company, he'd be removed from that position. End of story. But, if you want, the fact that they're all saying the same things about him probably means its true. Either that or he has an extraordinary power for hiring prima donnas.
Grown man.
*Dunno how that got in the other thread, apologies to whoever that was.
*Dunno how that got in the other thread, apologies to whoever that was.
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Why are you writing this dopey shit on the internet? You can't believe you have an actual point. If Trump has a blow up with every person he meets or works with, Trump is probably the problem. If he were the manager of a company, he'd be removed from that position. End of story. But, if you want, the fact that they're all saying the same things about him probably means its true. Either that or he has an extraordinary power for hiring prima donnas.
Grown man.
Grown man.
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@Amber
So is TWS now pretending to be a little girl or what's the deal with this weirdo?
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I think I'm fairly clever when I want to be. Probably more in short bursts than the whole drawn out debating side. And I like to flex it in argument with people. But it's not so nice what you uncover sometimes.
Ireland's an idyllic sort of place tbh. Chat about what you did at the weekend, sports, TV shows. Laugh with the cashier you see every day about nothing in particular. Feel a bit of pity for the disabled. Puts your own problems into perspective. Just a bunch of humans getting along.
I don't know how some of you lot do it. American politics and religion seems to dredge up a whole lot of ill feeling and will. Just seems to be a lot of gross inhumanity in it. Don't know what other way to say it. Lends an aspect to your day walking around. I guess a hesitancy about people. I definitely prefer my rose tinted glasses.
Just add healthy, fun things to your life little by little. Fitness is always a good start. Lift weights, run, calisthenics and bouldering if you want something a little more technical. Maybe get up a mountain eventually. Take control of yourself rather than trying to control others. As much as you can. Art is something I'm trying to push myself back into recently. You only need a few decent people in your life. Let the rest be noise.
Starts with an hour a day.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Well the idiots say the same thing.
It's far less of an ask of the general public to recognise an idiot than to weigh all of the arguments themselves. I take a sensible civic duty in that.
It's pretty clear you want to talk about vaccines, but the point was more abstract.
You want to talk about what you want to talk about. COVID anti-vaxx in America was the most egregious instance of science denial in modern times.
There was a time when talking about cellular biology was something only a wierdo would do
Truth will out. Doesn't detract at all from what I'm saying.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Defeating a man is not defeating an argument.
Truth will out. It doesn't need so much help from the average person. Just for us to recognise the idiots and not give them the mic.
Stealing from and defrauding people also pays for that. See the nazis.
Who will appear as Nazis. The mass of virologists and immunologists with all their years of study and publications and proven usefulness to society ain't that.
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No flat earth argument was ever defeated with "you're a weirdo".
This guy looks defeated:
Really it's only practical to clown people with clown beliefs or assertions. The vast majority of people are only ever going on appearances anyway and real science and expertise is advantaged here in that real and fruitful innovation pays for uniforms and positions and titles and big offices from which to speak authoritively. Meanwhile the flat earthers and anti-vaxxers are in their kitchens brandishing melons. Surely they feel foolish already.
You're wasting your time engaging in earnest with these clowns. They don't understand the science. Very few people can and fewer people have the time to. I mean, not that flat earth is so hard to refute, but vaccines is definitely a trickier issue. It's just perfectly practical to put your trust in the guys with the white suits. In the scientific consensus of a million guys in white suits who earned those suits by being actually useful members of society.
The black sheep of my family was an anti-vaxxer. He was an anti-vaxxer because it suited him, he felt pushed out already. This gave him a way to whine about it on Facebook. Sad sack politics. The American right I'm guessing the masks felt a bit too much like gags for their big dumb mouths. They just want to say "nigger" real bad and this was one more impediment. There's no reasoning or getting through to these clowns. Their politics exists in a different reality. But you might make them feel foolish for it. If nothing else, that's fun.
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If only the left wingers were also genocidal maniacs, eh? Then we'd have unity.
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You guys should make Sidewalker president of the US. This guy is a motherfucker. I love his disdain for MAGA clowns tbh.
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Never owned any bikes. Was the one threat my mother ever made was that I'd be disowned if I ever bought one. But didn't really care to either. Too much rain in Ireland.
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Lot of old school/classic VWs.
Mk2 golf
Mk2 polo
Mk3 golf
VR6 corrado (the prettiest car I ever owned, bought off a German guy who was repatriating to Germany, his dad cried genuine tears that he would sell it to a (then) thug like me)
A whole bunch of passats, 5 I think. honestly hard to know
Now an arteon
And a whole bunch of shit boxes and silly cars in between. I was a bit dukes of hazard in my 20s. flipped a car into a river once, crashed a car into a castle (actually), landed a car pretty much on top of a tree once
Used to like to work on cars too but these modern engines are fairly locked down, hard to get into them to do anything yourself. but who knows in the future, definitely see the appeal of it.
Mk2 golf
Mk2 polo
Mk3 golf
VR6 corrado (the prettiest car I ever owned, bought off a German guy who was repatriating to Germany, his dad cried genuine tears that he would sell it to a (then) thug like me)
A whole bunch of passats, 5 I think. honestly hard to know
Now an arteon
And a whole bunch of shit boxes and silly cars in between. I was a bit dukes of hazard in my 20s. flipped a car into a river once, crashed a car into a castle (actually), landed a car pretty much on top of a tree once
Used to like to work on cars too but these modern engines are fairly locked down, hard to get into them to do anything yourself. but who knows in the future, definitely see the appeal of it.
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Don't know much about her tbh but she seems perfectly respectable at a glance. A possible return to normalcy for the US. Unless the incels and other weirdos have their way again.
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I definitely get the ick talking to you motherfuckers. Feels good to be Irish man. Our old men talk sports and farming and trade work, shit like that. Don't you ever wonder just what the fuck kinda clown old man am I?
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24,000 posts about people's genitals and other dumb shit, giving out virtual high-fives to some real fucking degenerates. Grown ass man. Seems weird as shit to me.
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International community should castrate Israel militarily like was done to Japan after WW2. Lands should be given back to Palestine. Sit UN peacekeeping in their borders for a decade.
But I guess the yanks want nukes pointed at the middle east or something.
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@3RU7AL
I'm giving that to myself as an impressive feat of memory. I got the fine people.
Still seems real questionable where he is condemning them.
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I got plenty problems with Islam. I think Hamas can be put down like dogs.
Israel has brutalised a nation with a population the size of Ireland's for nearly a century. But they're brown and probably don't like gays so that's fine.
What sort of fucking lunatics am I talking to here?
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Something Wylted said in another thread stuck with me. The worst thing that can happen is for society to become so tolerant that they are utterly consumed by a an intolerant nation. If that doesn't describe what's going on right now with Hamas, what other way can you describe it?
They're brown. They probably don't like gays. Eradicate them.
That sounds like a psychopathic mentality and pandering to me.
Don't you spend all day long writing weird shit about trans people on the internet? Does someone need to take you out the back and put you down?
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@cristo71
But… I’m starting to get the feeling this is like talking to a wall… a wall that screams “rrrrracism!” whenever the accusation can be shoehorned in.
You wrote the words dude. I just thought they were beautiful.
I’ll ask again: And why do you trust more the Palestinian version of events and who is the aggressor over the Israeli version of events and who is the aggressor?
Have a read of this:
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Instead, interpret my question as “Why would a westerner side with an anti western people against a western nation?”
Ok but you wrote the word white. You did, not me.
So let's substitute that back in one second:
Why would a white person
Next, anti western people. Brown people you meant here right? Since the wonder was how white western people would side with these anti western people. Supposedly brown or black westerners might.
Let's substitute that back in
Why would a white person side with brown people
against a western nation. Again, white was the kicker here right?
Let's substitute that back
Let's substitute that back
Why would a white person side with brown people against white people?
Can't be fucking serious right now.
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I am genuinely fucking flabbergasted at how someone could write that shit. I'd be appalled if it wasn't so amusing.
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Maybe so. I’m not convinced that you fully understand what I am saying though. How do you know that your conclusion isn’t based upon a misunderstanding on your part or merely clumsy wording on my part? Complex subjects are prone to these pitfalls.
Let's see.
As the tit for tat “who is worse” arguments can go on ad nauseam regarding Israel and Palestine, I try to look for more fundamental reasons (or biases) why people side with one over the other. Muslims and Jews are generally pretty easy to understand as far as which side they favor. Westerners favoring Israel is also pretty straightforward. But when white westerners favor Palestinians? That is more difficult to understand. I have observed that it involves one or more elements which are all rooted in postmodernist thought.
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Why would a white man ever side with a brown man?
Palestinian = non Western = poor = oppressed = inherently goodIsrael = Western = rich and powerful = oppressor = inherently bad
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Ah, it's because they think the west is bad.
There is also what I call “morality by casualty rate”:High casualties = defenseless = oppressed = inherently goodLow casualties = powerful = oppressor = inherently bad
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Powerful = bad. Again, really the person just thinks the west is bad.
Once a people group has been judged as oppressed, no amount of malevolent action will make them decidedly bad. Conversely, when a group has been deemed an oppressor, no amount of benevolent action will cause them to be viewed as good.
Bunch of rubbish. From what I've seen of Hamas they're sick bastards. They're decidedly bad, beyond redemption. But Israel made them that. Palestinians live like penned animals. Israel has brutalised these people for decades. You reap what you sow.
Of course, the Holocaust throws a curveball in this binary of Israelis as oppressors, which is why that historic tragedy is often minimized, ignored, negated, or the argument is made that Palestinians have undergone similar at the hands of the Jews.
Twaddle.
What's complex here? Israel is clearly chief bastard in this situation. They penned and poked at human beings like they were animals until those animals started to bite. How do I side with Israel in that?
Nothing to do with west = bad. It's Israel = bad. You're inventing some silly SJW bleeding heart box to put Palestine sympathisers into because otherwise you're just a racist with nothing to say about the next person.
It's really some of dopiest shit I've read on here in a while.
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Only thing curious to me here is your apparent complete lack of self awareness.
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The post was quite clearly dopey racism. Hmm, I can't understand white man siding with brown man. Ah, postmodernist school of thought. Western = bad. Now I understand. That means I'm not a racist.
The fuck are you talking about dude lol.
The fuck are you talking about dude lol.
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Can't see how Israel isn't always the chief bastard in this situation tbh. Sounds like Israel has been treating Palestinians like animals for decades. If so, then they created Hamas.
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As an Irishman with our history of terrorist recourse against a much powerful foe I empathise with the Palestinians. We were classier about it than Hamas though.
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@HistoryBuff
@Double_R
What do you two homo liberals think here?
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Pretty sure I remember that actually happening when he was getting elected first time and the KKK or whoever was showing for him. That's a good few years ago now, but I watched that speech or rally or whatever it was. Some reporter asked him to disavow them and he said they were fine people or some crazy shit.
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It is good to see thett. Anyway I've pretty much said my piece here and I don't really want to continue on defending American liberals where maybe I don't actually really know what they're about. But on the gay thing and all that identity politics or whatever, I think that stuff levels out in time. Not gonna lie I find a lot of the pride stuff distasteful too and I don't think kids belong at drag shows or anything like that. A lot of it is just plain obscene frankly. Maybe I'm just too straight. But it always reminds me of my dog, hopefully this isn't going to be an offensive comparison lol. But when I let him back into the house from the yard after he's been barking outside to come in for a while, he does this thing where he barrels in the door and bounces around all the couches kicking off everything giving me this defiant look. Like he was compressed like a spring against the door outside until I decided to let him in. I think that's what all the pride parades and drag and in your face attitude is today. It's the first time queers have gotten to be themselves ever. They'll calm down eventually. They've just been pressed up against the closet door a long time. If you ignore them anyway.
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@Swagnarok
Do you realize how few of them there actually are, relative to our population of 330,000,000?
I read racist shit on here all the time. GP admits above he does too. Racism seems all too common from where I'm sitting. Maybe they don't all have the tattoos to go with it.
And again, historical communists committed genocides of their own, and modern tankies have no problem unironically saying "The kulaks deserved it" or whatnot.
Bogeyman communist. Every liberal and socialist on here seems a very decent person only concerned with treating their fellow humans fairly. The organisation of Russian and Chinese imperialism means nothing to philosophy.
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@cristo71
So you equate humane treatment of other people to self destruction. Not that I think there's nothing in that either, but probably not many liberals are just going to lie down and die where those values are encroached upon. Is it the trans? Where's the enemies at the gates here?
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@Swagnarok
The skin-headed tattooed lunatics that want to lynch black people are counterbalanced by Bernie Sanders. Gotcha.
You're not seeming so reasonable here to me.
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I am physically unable to respond to longer messages tbh. I never really embraced that part of interaction on the internet which departs from normal conversation. I also barely know what and who you're talking about for most of that.
But this part I agree with and find interesting:
But this part I agree with and find interesting:
I also view Trump as somewhat of an empty vessel.
That seems a little dangerous to me too.
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I've seen an awful lot of obviously racist right wingers pass through here and DDO GP. You have too.
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@Swagnarok
Another question. Do you think liberals might be more agreeable on issues like the border and crime if they weren't contending with actual legitimate self-proclaimed Nazis on the right? It's a give an inch take a mile kinda thing, right? A political tug of war. If liberals leave any slack at all, they're wiped.
What you think here Swag? I think this is very easily the case. And if it is the case a sensible thing might be the step across the aisle and let the other party be the Nazi party.
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