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@FLRW
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6217/posts/270401
Still the best post ever made on this website.
Still the best post ever made on this website.
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You shore up government. That's what you vote for. The alternative is to put your faith in pure greed. Money will never be a vote like a vote is, because it costs money. Your vote is free.
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Big money's tireless working to corrupt government in order to crush competition is an excellent argument for abandoning any effort to curtail it.
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... but the people who are hungry and want a place to call home do care, that's what the "self-organizing" means.
Yeah they'll just start up their own multi-billion dollar corporation to compete with the already existing multi-billion dollar corporations. That's what runaway system of human organisation means.
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Ya good post fuckface. You'll hit 25,000 posts like that soon. Why don't you give your son a phone call or something?
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No.
That said, if there is a heaven it won't be St. Peter you meet at the gates. It'll be Karl Marx. He'll give you a job for your eternal life.
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No. Taxes on the absurdly rich. As near equal access to education and healthcare as possible. Safety nets for people where capitalism does not give a fuck about you.
The strength of capitalism is that it's self-organising. That's the success that has dumb libertarians like you fooled. But it doesn't care how much of the population is employed and can afford food and housing, it doesn't care if its product is damaging, all it cares about is the bottom line. We want a system that serves the people living under it.
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Government as an instrument to temper capitalism which is essentially a runaway system of human organisation is also definitely a legitimate purpose.
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Trump is a thousand times more unhinged than he was shown to be in that debate. Harris bit at him a bit with Putin lunch thing and world leaders laughing at him bit and the crowds but not enough. It should have been her strategy to trigger the shit out of him at every opportunity and let him explode. That was the win. But she let him off easy every time. She needed to make him squeal.
I see everyone on reddit thinks the same thing, that she was masterful and Trump came out looking a clown, but I don't see that at all. He's same old Trump, same Trump that won before. She could easily have turned him into a crying bitch up on the stage that night. Like why not?
The right should have been in mourning the day after. They don't give a fuck about that debate.
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Disappointing. Either you're dumb or you aren't so honest as you were telling Double_R you are. I'm not going to spell it out for you.
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Like the Putin would eat you for lunch line was good. Should have been more of that. She should have done what women do best and emasculated him. He really is just such low-hanging fruit and they just left it there. Because otherwise he was plenty forceful and which is presidential and she's just there with her consoling pleading shite in a woman's soft voice. I mean, I dunno. I wouldn't even say she won tbh. She was a woman pleading to other women about abortion. That's all. Trump was his usual force of nature even if dumb as shit. I think that takes it.
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I was disappointed tbh. I get the "turn the page on name-calling and denigrating" angle. American politics has been a clown show since Trump stepped in it. But he's such an easy target and so easily triggered and so deserving of it. She could have given us one last show and dragged him across the stage kicking and screaming. Instead she was all heart and empathy and bright future and whatever. This pleading consoling sort of tone for the most of it. Swag thinks she did moral outrage well but he's a robot. She was way too tame. I dunno. I think she should have went in there and ripped his head off. Decapitated him on live television. Said how's that for your Taliban. All the heart stuff could come later.
Trump was highly entertaining as usual.
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Your analogy backfired on you.
I thought I'd get better sport out of you honestly. You're plenty poetic. I guess a bit too much on the mad side.
What does "negligent on behalf" mean? Who is being negligent?
Pretty sure that's proper English. Negligent by whom.
You couldn't have picked a more self-defeating analogy if you tried, because the thing is that rhinos do have a mind of their own but guns do not. This is what we call in the modern USA jargon "saying the quiet part out loud". You see the gun as the attacker and not the inanimate tool that it is.
No I don't see the gun as the attacker. I was perfectly clear in that.
But the rhino's got a mind of its own. That's every other person that owns a gun.
The very next sentence. It's the people who rightly see guns as weapons intended to kill other humans and who use them as such that I see as the attackers. You are putting those weapons into their hands. It isn't Double_R, it isn't FLRW, it isn't any of these liberals. That's your rhino tied to the porch. Because you're innocent. Daft shit.
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If I can prevent you from living in an inflatable house you aren't free. If you can prevent me from owning a knife because YOU choose to live in a bouncy house, I'm not free.This is fundamental. (political) liberty does not mean you can make choices that entitle you to use violence to curtail the choices of others. You live in a bouncy house, that's a risk you take. You live in a wooden house, that's a risk you take.
You missed out on the analogy bigtime there. Why am I choosing to live in a bounce house? We're the bounce house, guns are the ludicrously dangerous thing to have scattered around human beings. So I'm not free because you can shoot and kill me? See, that's an idea I can get behind. I do like living in Ireland free from lunatics like you. It is liberating to log off this website and go back to living among decent folk.
You can punish someone when they walk up to your house and stab it or cause it to light on fire, you can't make knives and candles illegal. Well I mean you can in the same way you can rape and murder, you just can't morally and I'd shoot you to prevent you from getting away with it.
Well I'd call you unfit to live amongst civilised people.
There is no balance to be struck, no negotiation to be had. Liberty first, then with that as a constant to work around, security.
You think nuclear bombs should be legal right? Where's the security ever fit in? No offence, but you're a lunatic.
So when 1 out a of thousand guns are used for evil it's negligent to own a gun, but when more than 1 out of a thousand black males do something evil it's not negligent to let them walk around?BTW I am just looking for you to state the blindingly obvious here, which you will be forced to do unless you walk away.
I dunno how you write that dumb shit above and are still somehow so arrogant to think you're leading me down the garden path here. Negligent on whose behalf? The innocent black people? The rest of us for not persecuting those innocent black people?
You are the one insisting on owning weapons of mass destruction. I actually like the rhino analogy. Do you think you should be allowed to have a rhino tied to your front porch? Sure you want the rhino. Sure you might mean no harm in it. But the rhino's got a mind of its own. That's every other person that owns a gun. Literally no difference. It's gross negligence.
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Dead children are a small price to pay for the presumption of innocence.
Just a daft sentence. If I lived in a town where every house was a bounce house, I'd probably want to ban knives. Your innocence or intentions have got nothing to do with it. You just can't say what the next person will do with the knife and it's reckless of all of us to allow knives to exist within our community. You might as well want to have a rhino tied to your front porch. What's the difference? You might mean no harm, but you are grossly negligent. That's what you're guilty of if you need something. Innocent black people are innocent black people.
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Looks to me like I knocked a bit of the guff out of you gp.
So how's your kid doing in his fatherless household? I guess some kids' dads are locked in prison, others are addicted to internet forums.
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The one thing preventing gp from becoming a school shooter is shortness of breath.
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Yeah these school shootings are just the realisation of the tree of liberty. Got ya.
So what is it? Leftie mother who thought you were a waste of space poisoned the dorky kid against you?
So what is it? Leftie mother who thought you were a waste of space poisoned the dorky kid against you?
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I dunno. I googled tree of liberty. I found that Jefferson quote about refreshing it with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Nothing about innocent kids yet.
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Thomas Jefferson would fertilise the tree of liberty with the blood of innocent kids?
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That sounds like the beginnings of a manifesto. Maybe we should be flagging this to someone.
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@FLRW
Definitely very worrying posts.
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He must be hiding a trans kid or something BK. Very strange behaviour anyway. How long you been pretending not to have a kid now GP?
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@Greyparrot
Maybe it's some Elon Musk shit. Your kid do a Vivan too?You never contradict IWRA on the childless accusation. What's the deal here?
Really not gonna spill the beans on this? Actually dying to know now.
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Maybe it's some Elon Musk shit. Your kid do a Vivan too?
You never contradict IWRA on the childless accusation. What's the deal here?
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Thinks he's Will Smith in Enemy of the State is the problem. Just the dopiest, most deluded posts.
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GP posts are like a homeless guy masturbating in the streets tbh, genuinely just repulsive. Just so shameless. 25,000 post lard ass loser posting about trans and low T and whatever other dopey loser esotericisms I can't bother to remember now, these sad incel ideas he comes out with sometimes. I dunno, man. Do us all a favour will ya?
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Maybe it's some Elon Musk shit. Your kid do a Vivan too?
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GP I remember that pic of you and your son. You were a lard ass among lard asses and he was a dweeby four-eyes. The fuck are you talking about T levels for, you're a hermaphroditic whale.
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I see much more community among the gun wielding rural people than the gunless urban people.
Yes, low population areas, meaning very close-knit and interdependent people, will probably get along fine with guns. Was more or less my point about why Switzerland and the US aren't comparable already. The problem is when you start piling on the population. Then the fact that everyone is armed to the teeth to kill each other becomes a point of anxiety.
You Americans all think you're in a movie or something. The whole rest of the first world has given up their guns for a safer society without incident.
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It's you who changed. Carrying around weapons has been the common behavior of free men and women for hundreds of thousands of years.
Fair enough. In that case, I don't know how Americans aren't sick of it. Maybe try out some civilisation like the rest of us.
Bandits are the one who like disarmed victims.
Not trying to victimise anyone. Just enjoying the peace of mind and sense of community that comes in living in a gun free society.
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Sad attention seeking behaviour. You gotta be nearly 60 GP. That doomsday prepper stuff is dopey argument too though.
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Guns are definitely a sickly thing in their own right. The only guns I ever see are the army guys guarding the cash-in-transit vans for our banks. And any Irish person will tell you they feel an anxiety when they're around. They're men with killing machines standing in the middle of our town squares. Everyone would prefer that didn't exist. I just don't know how Americans became so inured to it.
Switzerland probably has the foundation of community to overcome that anxiety. America never will. Anxious people snap and shoot up the school. There's your explanation for school shootings.
Switzerland probably has the foundation of community to overcome that anxiety. America never will. Anxious people snap and shoot up the school. There's your explanation for school shootings.
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Switzerland has 1/4 of the guns per capita and 1/40th of the US population. Not comparable. Add to that that they're all filthy rich.
It's the extreme individualism and wealth disparity in America that causes conflict. That's all antithesis to community. Your guns are fuel to an already raging fire.
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@Swagnarok
But when Republicans talk about "shutting down the southern border" to deal with this crisis, as the vast majority of our fentanyl supply is imported from Latin America, you ascribe to them a cynical political motive.
A cynical political motive exists. Not the case for IWRA here. Not the case for liberals generally.
You assume that no Republican really does want to deal with the fentanyl crisis by shutting down the pathways through which its enters the US.
No I don't. I've chatted with a lot of American conservatives in my time on here. I've watched a lot of political commentary by American right-wingers. I find a marked inhumanity in most of you. thett on here is probably the big exception, in him I find a religious anxiety.
Maybe temporarily shutting down your southern border to deal with a fentanyl crisis is the way to go. I'm all for social distancing when people are sick and dying.
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@Double_R
Funny how the culture problem in the US is 57 times worse than that of comparable countries. I wonder what that's about.
Maybe it's something to do with all those guns you guys have lying around. I definitely think something like that would foster a general anxiety.
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The problem lies in the fact that you won’t tag me, because you want to get the last word in and you’re hoping I don’t see it. Stop being a pussy.
More funny ideas about people's motives. The truth of it is that I have no real interest in having an exchange with you. As I said, I find you tiresome. That or it simply amuses me not to tag you.
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That's funny because it definitely seems like a go-to for republicans that leftists are "exploiting" tragedies when shit like this happens.
IWRA is just easily disgusted by what he considers immoral/inhumane. That's obvious to me at least who feels a lot of disgust watching you lot shittalk around these issues. Either way, makes a lot more sense than your motive for him.
IWRA is just easily disgusted by what he considers immoral/inhumane. That's obvious to me at least who feels a lot of disgust watching you lot shittalk around these issues. Either way, makes a lot more sense than your motive for him.
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He seems a decent fellow to me, just disgusted at what he has to deal with. I don't envy him living in the states with your republicans.
Anyways we've argued about guns before and I find you tiresome so I'll leave you at it. But I've seen that point about "exploiting tragedies" made by those on the right before and it's dopey, evil shit. Just wanted to have a bash off it.
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Apparently it's sick and twisted to get mad and try to do something about children shooting each other. That's definitely an interesting take.
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Unsure to what end IWRA is exploiting tragedies? To the end that those tragedies don't happen?
What a monster.
What a monster.
Republicans would rather no one was appalled at children shooting each other?
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So are you single? I know a guy named Greyparrot might love to spend some time with a lovely lady like you.
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I mean it amuses me that he's now among us disguised in drag. I don't want to ban him either.
But so you agree that it's obviously him?
But so you agree that it's obviously him?
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How many of you think Amber is not banned user TWS pretending to be a little girl (or woman with kids, whichever)?
It's obviously him, right? I mean, even if we're not going to do anything about it, it's fucking funny, right?
Come on.
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Ok but Amber is 100% TWS right? He was also very pro abortion whilst being a screeching lunatic about everything else. I mean he was pro abortion is a screeching lunatic kinda way also. But at least he was correct on that one.
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Ya know I got a brother with this awesome red hair. I mean I used to tease him about it relentlessly as a kid, but he's a man now and he owns it. But as kids we'd all be about town in our black and grey tracksuits, not a drop of colour in the place. And then he starts finding a bit of self expression and he's colourful by default so he's choosing all these bright t-shirts and trainers and by degrees the rest of us follow suit and soon the youth of that small town are full of colour. He was like a red headed paint brush to the town. That's what diversity is. It's beautiful. I mean that's a cheesy little anecdote but I believe that.
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Religion really did such a number on humanity tbh. We got a bunch of weirdos walking around like the Borg just wanting to stamp out anything remotely different to themselves. Pink hair, men in skirts and differences in skin tone are crises to these people. And it's the same of Islam. All those terrorists you want to keep out are your emotional equivalents, the same stunted, repressed headcases. It's religion your border checks should screen for. Just none of this shit matters. I got weirdo hang-ups too. Gotta part my hair a certain way. My girlfriend buys me these Italian style jackets sometimes hoping I'll wear them and I feel totally out of my own skin in them. It's pure autism really. I guess nobody wants to look out of place. We're a bunch of clones at our place of worship, sit, stand, kneel, prostrate. I mean, thank God for the men in skirts in all honesty. Let me see a Muslim break out of that wacky prostration into a break dance or something. The world is changing for the better. Sure, there will be growing pains, but it beats religion's tyranny of the soul. Swag, your party is the Nazi party. Rationalise all you like, the mass of conservatives are dumb hick racists and you're the same lizard brain. Your horse is tied to the same cart. Just chill the fuck out.
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