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@Greyparrot
Clearly it is white man's fault for not paying out $14 trillion in reparations. Because giving people money for doing nothing always solves a problem.
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@ILikePie5
Yup, discrimination is perfectly fine in America as long as it is in favor of black people, women, or whatever "underrepresented" group is out there.
You'd think after 3 generations of black people got preferential treatment, they wouldn't need it anymore, wouldn't you? But putting people in a college that they are utterly unprepared to succeed in is a brilliant idea to these liberal technocrats.
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@HistoryBuff
Sure. there's probably where alot of them have "resisting arrest" or "assault" tacked on. A cop harasses a black guy. Someone naturally doesn't like being harassed and tries to defend them self and now they are just another black criminal. The cops can then tack on whatever charges they feel like.
So puhweece officer hurt muh fee fees, so I shouldn't be held accountable for attacking him? Interesting.
How about you act like an adult and practice a little restraint? Complying with authority figures really isn't that hard. If a cop called me slurs, I'm not going to start wailing on him when he tries to arrest me.
it is a large factor. Rich people with poor homes lives are still rich and don't need to turn to crime. Poor people with poor home lives have nowhere else to turn and are much more likely to commit crime to get by.
The county was considered poor based on household income, not house value. The crime rate was very low compared to the country average.
no, because once you get into a world of criminality, crime can escalate. If you have to rob people in order to survive, then you are going to have to hurt people most likely. Once you are comfortable hurting people to get what you want, it opens up more doors for other crimes. Also, prisons are excellent training grounds for this. Police harass and punitively arrest black people for something minor. Being imprisoned ruins their lives and forces them deeper into criminality. They also learn new criminal skills and make new criminal contacts in prison. Then they get out and their crimes escalate. Police will use this as evidence that more resources are needed for police to fight the problem, when in fact they are actually fueling the problem.
Armed robbery isn't a minor crime. I am not seeing these "minor crime" arrests.
And in one of the poorest counties we have, crime is very rare. They don't "rob people in order to survive". Sounds more like a people problem.
no, there is a push to give people of color a place. That isn't discrimination against white people.
"Racial discrimination isn't racial discrimination when done against white people". Ok, got it!
true. but since he did absolutely nothing to affect this, it just makes him look like a jackass.
Ah yes, it is "Obama's economy" until the coronavirus recession. Then it is all orange man's and nobody else's!
but that is the point. The rich invest, make tons of money. But this is just pushing poor people out of those neighborhoods. It isn't helping them. Trump's friends make out like bandits and everyone else gets screwed.
I'm not sure that is the case, but I agree- we should stop "opportunity zones".
This is exactly my point. They are doing what they are meant to. They are making the rich richer. That is exactly what trump intended. But he is lying and saying this is somehow helping poor people. That is a lie.
Economically developing a neighborhood helps poor communities. You know what doesn't? Committing tons of property crime/rioting and trying to "defund the police".
They could probably stand to refine the way they go about it, but economic development is exactly what poor communities need.
did you actually read that? It says trump opposed the bill. He was talked into not actively trying to screw over black people by Jared. Jared had to call in favors from fox news to try to convince him to support it. Trump reluctantly agreeing to not screw over black people doesn't scream "i'm not a racist".
And Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act in the 60's, but look at them now. He "initially" opposed, but then fully supported it, likely after more details were out about it.
true, there are of course other factors. For example, rio doesn't have an ethnic under class that the police viciously suppress. It also doesn't have america's problems of guns being readily available to any criminal who wants one.
I see, so the reason black man kills people is because of white man oppression. Seems kinda racist not to hold people accountable for their actions and instead scapegoating another race for everything wrong in their lives.
And that Kentucky county has tons of access to guns, too. A lot of northeastern states have some of the most lax gun laws in the country, yet have a smaller homicide rate.
why should they be blamed for telling the truth? The police are an enemy to their community.
Mmmm, locking up criminals makes them an enemy for the community? Ok, how about we take ALL police out of black neighborhoods. I don't think white people should have to pay to try to keep those neighborhoods safe and put white police officers' lives in danger to protect their communities. Let them self-police. Deal?
Overpolicing is part of the problem for those neighborhoods. Imprisoning so many young people only makes more hardened criminals.
They wouldn't go to prison if they didn't do something wrong in the first place. Are you saying we should have less police there so we catch less criminals and therefore have less "hardened criminals"?
it definitely does. Unfortunately america loves to glorify thugs who happen to have badges and guns.
We sure do love those "thugs" that put their lives on the line for us and do so for a tiny salary, then have to deal with all of this media hate and bullshit whenever one random cops makes the slightest mistake.
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@ILikePie5
Yeah, bro. That works wonders for racial relations when a black person with an SAT score 100 points lower is admitted in front of you at a good college.
What could go wrong?
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@ILikePie5
Exactly. As a result of this systemic injustice, I say we should commit murder at 4x the rate logical by our portion of the population (all 280ish percent of it 😂)
That is clearly the logical response to this information.
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@HistoryBuff
for the same reason white people don't say no to drugs. But if a white stock broker gets caught with cocaine he gets a slap on the wrist. But if a black guy gets caught with the smallest amount of marijuana, they are imprisoned.
I'd need to see some legitimate proof of that. Out of all state prisoners, .1% of them are in jail for just marijuana possession. It may be tacked onto another charge, like robbery, but that isn't why "a black guy" is going to jail in the first place.
Poverty is absolutely a factor. But i don't believe he meant to imply that it was the only factor.
Well, he blocked me. It seemed as though he was claiming it was the largest factor, not necessarily the only. It would only be a factor in property crimes, not crimes like rape. You don't rape people because you are poor.
lol because helping a community that has been targeted means that other communities must do worse? That doesn't even make sense.
You said discrimination is causing higher crime rates. I said, now that there is job and collegiate discrimination against White and Asian people, why hasn't their crime rate risen?
of course he did. but then he did nothing about it. so all that shouting is just hot air.
He was bragging that it was lowest ever. He never has bragged about accomplishments for white people during his administration.
sure, and those "opportunity zones" helped out rich people alot. Poor people, not so much. Here is a link. Trump knows how to funnel money to the rich. In this case he also tricked people into thinking he was actually trying to help poor people.
It is a big incentive for the rich- that is the point. Who has the capital to invest in these types of neighborhoods? Rich people do, so obviously, you are going to target the largest capital pools in the country.
I haven't seen enough historical evidence to know if these will actually work, don't think I'm defending opportunity zones, but they are doing what they are supposed to by giving rich people a tax break.
So trump was talked into not opposing reforms written by other people. Is that supposed to convince me he loves black people? Just because in this one specific case he didnt go out of his way to hurt black people? That is a low bar.
Trump backed the bill and pushed for a floor vote.
Trump has gone to the left of Biden on crime, as you can see from him being a pansy during the riots. Looks like he might have finally started getting his head out of his rear end by threatening to prosecute monument destroyers, but we will see if he follows through. By not acting like the law and order president he should be during unhinged BLM riots, that is more than just the "reform written by other people". Outright pandering at that point.
being poor makes you much more likely to turn to crime. You lack the resources to get a good education or a stable home. Without this education or stable home environment it is much harder to seek or gain employment. If you have no chances of building a successful life legally, you are much more likely to seek a living illegally.The government actively suppressing you also contributes to this. You learn not to trust government serves. You certainly can't trust the police. If someone steals from you and you know you can't trust the police, you are more likely to turn to other methods to deal with the situation. This helps foster a culture which increases criminality. If you teach people that you don't want them to be included in your society (for example, by having the police harass and abuse them) then you should not be surprised when they reject the rules of that society.
Odd, though, that cities such as Rio de Janiero for instance have lower rates of homicide than Baltimore and St. Louis? Education, employment, and standards of living are much worse in Brazil.
The black community and media would have to be blamed for saying the police are their enemy. Only nine unarmed black men were killed by police last year. White people are more likely to be shot by police per 100,000 violent crimes committed.
They try to cry about 'overpolicing', but why wouldn't you send more cops to more dangerous neighborhoods?
Maybe glorifying thugs has something to do with all of this?
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@Username
Well, they tend to make Israel synonymous with Jews. Calling people antisemitic for criticizing Israel is one way they do that. Cheap, but surprisingly effective tactic, honestly. So Jewish support and Israeli support are likely correlated here.
Could be they are afraid of Muslims though, haha.
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@PressF4Respect
ehehehehehehe...The US is already knee-deep in shit with regards to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. If the US army pulls out, they're probably going to get blamed for doing the same thing as they did in Iraq and Afghanistan (the situation in these countries right now is... poor to say the least). Remember when Trump pulled out troops from the Kurdish-held lands in Syria, essentially abandoning the SDF and leaving it to fend for itself against Erdogan? Yeah. I don't think the US suddenly pulling out of this conflict and declaring neutrality would make it look good in the eyes of the international community, especially with that precedent set. The only real solution would be for the US to take an active part in trying to make amends, and chiding both sides for their wrongdoings.But who am I kidding? As long as the evangelical voting block remains powerful, the conservative GOP is never going to relinquish ties with Netanyahu.
I did feel bad about abandoning the Kurds, because they were an ally in fighting ISIS. They did a lot of the work for us. Now, from what I understand, we armed and paid them generously for that service, but still not too happy with it.
As for these other countries.... not sure we really have allies that are worth anything there. The international community complains no matter what: either wee intervene and send them a bunch of "refugees" or we pull out and they sneer because we aren't fighting terrorists who are a much bigger threat to them than us.
And I have no clue why Evangelicals love them so much. Jewish people in the US have a lower approval rating of Evangelical Christians(34) than they do of Muslims(35). While White Evangelicals have an approval rating of 69 for Jews. https://www.pewforum.org/2014/07/16/how-americans-feel-about-religious-groups/
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@Username
Seems like they share intel, tech, counter-terrorism stuff.More importantly, Israel acts as a strategic ally for the U.S. in their big Middle Eastern proxy war, which I'm not really a big fan of either.
Ok, they help us kill their enemies for them. Fair enough.
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@PressF4Respect
Well supporting Israel pisses off most of the Middle East and is expensive.
Supporting Palestine likely won’t gain us any allies. The only cost-effective thing is to cut ties, really.
Getting involved in religious wars is an endless and expensive (both in bodies and dollars) battle that the US really shouldn’t be involved in.
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@Trent0405
Business insider is a good source
Thank you! Every source that disagrees with him is unreliable, though, and I am just a parrot for Illuminati propaganda.
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They also have insider in their name and your stats worked against your original case which pretended that whites are poorer than blacks. Thanks and goodbye, feel free to reply Illuminati propaganda to this but I am not taking it anymore. You are blocked.
I didn’t say whites were poorer, I was comparing poor whites and poor blacks
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@PressF4Respect
We just need to not support either and let the strongest survive
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@RationalMadman
Also, after you just proved that the poor whites are in a Republican state (Kentucky), you then went on to realise that your first point was bullshit and disproportionate exaggeration by going into the fact that black ghettos in blue states are the poorest.
I brought them up because I misread one of your points. That is why I mentioned crime rates.
no it couldn't and frankly you're lying out of your ass but you can trust yoru bullshit website like 'business insider' look at the name you don't even need to look further than the name to hear the bias and corruption screaming. Do you know why there are more homeless people in blue states? That is because of the opposite way around.
Oh boy, they have business in the name, so it must be wrong, right?
They used data from the Department of Housing and Urban Development, so unless you can top that, you'll have to concede.
On top of that, they ended up 'blue states' in the first place because unlike a trailer park individual who literally votes Reagan and Bush Sr. and Jr. (I'm sorry but the irony is too extreme not to at least smirk as you go 'wtf' to), the ones who are poor and actually care enough to research policy and perhaps their own ethnicity's history begin to see that the only ones who genuinely give a shit to truly make things fair and merciful on the poor are Democrats and vote accordingly.
Mhm, but don't go far enough back to know who George Wallace or what Dixiecrats are, right?
And they may vote Republican because they don't like baby murder and social degeneracy like Dems do. Maybe they don't like offering handouts for not working?
it's to do with the federal level of policy and such being Republican for far too long in recent times.
Do you not recall 8 years of Obama just 4 years ago? Or 8 years of Clinton before the 8 years of Bush? Trump got elected in a campaign crapping on both of those two.
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@Username
acting as a big homie to Trump
They like Trump because he shills for them over every possible issue. What do they do for Americans/Trump in return (actually curious)?
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@RationalMadman
Of the nine states with the worst homelessness crises (including Washington DC), 8 of them are blue states. Only red one on there is Alaska.
Could those high taxes and regulation be leading to higher costs of living, housing shortages, and lower employment rates?
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@HistoryBuff
Why couldn't they just say no to drugs? It was mainly targeted towards fiends that want to poison our nation's children with drugs. (based on main offense, over 94k in prison for trafficking vs 247 for possession) https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/dofp12.pdf
Madman blamed it on poverty.
Racial discrimination? You mean like affirmative action? I'm surprised White and Asian crime rates haven't skyrocketed as a result. Politicians don't give a shit about them(black people)? Trump must have shouted about African American unemployment over a hundred times. He has set up "opportunity zones", let a lot of them out of jail with "prison reform", gave more funding to historically black colleges. If this is what racists do as president, then heck, I'd say if they think the government doesn't care about them, it is on them for thinking that.
But I'll humor you: how does being poor and the government not liking you make you rape and murder people at much higher rates than any other group?
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@RationalMadman
It's to do with poverty, desperation to earn due to having zero inheritance and big families per house to spread money between.
Poverty, eh?
According to the 2010 census reports, Owsley County has the second-highest level of child poverty of any county in the United States.[4] In terms of income per household, the county is the poorest in the nation.[5]
Owsley County violent crime is 7.8. (The US average is 22.7)
Owsley County property crime is 14.4. (The US average is 35.4)
The racial makeup of the county was 98.7% White
One of the poorest areas in the entire country, has a property and violent crime rate well below country average, homogeneous society. Obviously more to it than just being poor.
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@Dr.Franklin
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@Dr.Franklin
Just like how Trump is responsible for all of those Kung Flu deaths in the deep red state known as New York, where his best friend Andrew Cuomo sent sick people to nursing homes.
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@TheUnderdog
So you agree some political ideologies can be objectively wrong?
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@Dr.Franklin
Lol, it even has the black and brown addition. Love to see it!
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@TheUnderdog
Tell that to Soviet Russia.
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@PressF4Respect
Kinda how the system works these days, not gonna lie.
Ever wonder why voter turnout is so low? Nothing ever changes.
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@Trent0405
Biden can barely spit out a complete sentence.
And Trump is fairly incompetent, yes.
And Bernie is pretty trash.
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@PressF4Respect
Trump may have lost my vote based on how he "managed" these riots, now the courts aren't even working out, moderately disappointing immigration policy, and only a few hundred miles of wall. But let's not contaminate this thread with all of that.
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@PressF4Respect
The most egregious sin
Isn't it, though?
I reduce time on this site for one month, and look what happens!!!
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@Trent0405
I am not in favor of full privatization. I think there needs to be competition in these industries, meaning we must have charter schools, public schools, and private schools. Teachers unions are toxic. Vouchers would end up saving us money, as in most states, per pupil spending is lower at private schools.
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@TheUnderdog
Why are you insistent on being wrong (a libertarian)?
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@PressF4Respect
How much does that affect you personally?
The fact that they will call it abuse if you don’t call them what they want to be called.
There are specific loans and grants for women small business owners. Should someone who clearly isn’t a woman get to take advantage of those?
And what about transgenders who are actually men thinking they are women? Can they join women’s sports? If you don’t take them, would that be discrimination?
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@PressF4Respect
Not saying he was perfect, but compared to other dictators in that region and era and considering the coup was because Allende was trying to become a dictator himself, then he really wasn't that bad.
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@PressF4Respect
Allende was very likely to be a dictator himself, based on how he violated property rights by seizing things against current laws, had enormous inflation. Just basically how every similar socialist leader in that region ended up, especially Venezuela. Their dictator was elected, didn’t make him any better
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@PressF4Respect
Agreed, Franco is much easier to defend in that respect. But there are very clear reasons for why Pinochet overthrew the terrible Allende government.
I have been wanting to do a Pinochet debate for a long time, but haven't had the free time to set one up. Perhaps in the near future.
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@PressF4Respect
They were much better than their alternatives, so yeah....
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@RationalMadman
Justify this
Took communists out of their countries. Pretty good economically, Pinochet with economic liberalization got the inflation under control, and was a good ally for the US in the Cold War. Franco built tons of dams, kept his country out of WWII, and also helped out during Cold War.
As far as dictators go, these two guys were pretty decent.
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Pinochet and Franco were pretty great guys, tbh.
Make right-wing dictators great again!
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@sadolite
Yeah, this went off topic real quick when that one F4 guy started defending Nazis.
What you are learning is that we can't get along, in case you haven't noticed from the past few presidents and their Congresses
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@Greyparrot
The peasant cries out as he strikes you
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@PressF4Respect
Ok let's actually stop
Ok fine, I know how you women like to get the last word
:)
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@PressF4Respect
Doesn't mean it doesn't cure stupid ;)
Curing “stupid” would be good for one’s health, silly. I specifically told you to stop drinking it because it induces the “stupid”. ;)
Thanks! You too ;)
“Shut up, I know it”
-Bender
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Note the glaring word "opinion" in the url. Within the article you see the quote: "*I’ve* been advocating the abolition of the police for years." There isnt even a suggestion of this opinion being anyones but his own.You presume that what 1 person believes is a mainstream opinion with zero evidence. I see this alot. It is incredibly falacious thinking.
I recognize that it is an opinion piece, and you will notice within the same post I say:
"Not saying that is the main "defund" police opinion"
And based on what Minneapolis did, he clearly wasn't the only person with this idea.
Once you take the politics and angry semantics out of this, defund the police is something that should be logical and bipartisan. Their law enforcement efforts should he properly funded, but the staff and funding to respond to wellness checks and mental situations should be handled by psychiatrists and social workers.
But the whole point of calling it "defund the police" is to make it partisan. Remember "abolish ICE" from two years ago? For some reason, whoever runs these campaigns seems intent on throwing hatred at the people who keep us safe.
A wellness check isn't necessarily something police shouldn't do. That is when someone stops answering their phone, meaning there could have been some kind of crime involved. If it is because of a mental issue, sure, hook them up with a psychiatrist or something.
And mental situations like the one you outlined above are going to be incredibly rare. It is much more likely that when someone is acting nuts, they will be high on drugs, which a psychiatrist cannot help with. Furthermore, you need to consider that you are now going to be putting "psychiatrists and social workers" in some situations that could be very dangerous.
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@PressF4Respect
I heard bleach cures stupid. You should try some, bud ;3
Wow, you're sooooo creative.
Take a gander a post 201 in which I said:
"Contrary to popular belief, drinking bleach is NOT good for your health. Helpful tip, bud. ^_^"
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@PressF4Respect
I hear it shows promising signs for curing ignorance. You should try some, bud ;)
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@PressF4Respect
Contrary to popular belief, drinking bleach is NOT good for your health. Helpful tip, bud. ^_^
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@sadolite
Well generally, the political axis is right and left based on social and economic grounds, while authoritarianism and libertarianism (anarchy more or less) is independent of those labels.
Total chaos like you described would likely be left-wing, though, since conservatism is mainly based on maintaining order.
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@RationalMadman
This takes time and effort towards apologising, sympathising and all that stuff from the leader.
How does that reduce crime?
you need to make the people feel safe and engage harmoniously
I don't feel like people are murdering and robbing each other because they don't feel safe.
And I would also think it isn't only "pigheaded"pot-stirring Trump's fault. The black community needs to stop lying and saying cops are their enemy and they are hunting them when that statistically isn't the case. That is why they violently resist arrest and refuse to cooperate with cops, which leads to bad outcomes.
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