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@Greyparrot
“9/11 was nothing compared to January 6th”
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@Greyparrot
I have yet to see the radical leftist marxists explain what Jefferson meant by "the creator"
Science!
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@Double_R
That's because people believe in the quote even if the person citing it didn't. It's not about Jefferson, it's about the ideals this country was supposedly founded on. What is odd about that?
Point being, your idea of what “every man is created equal” means is probably very different from Jefferson’s, or most (if not all) of the people who signed the Declaration of Independence.
So there is no authority in quoting the text if it ignores what they meant. That small part of the document certainly would have been removed if they saw how it was used today.
If I reference MLK by saying that I have a dream, but just meant that I am thinking of the really good REM sleep that I tend to have, you’d surely think there was no point in quoting him
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@Greyparrot
Almost as bad as basing immigration law and policy off of a poem on a statue...
Clearly the French gave us the Statue of Immigration so that we would be eternally guilted into paying for medical care, schooling, and food for everyone who wants to move here
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@IwantRooseveltagain
All human beings on earth. Who do you think they meant?
Well, the man owned slaves and thought most people shouldn’t vote.
So, keeping this in mind, what exactly did he mean by saying that all men are created equal. Did he think everyone was equally intelligent? Did he think that every group of people will achieve the same life outcomes?
What exactly are you getting at by pointing to his quote? What belief do you share in common with him?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And when he said all men are created equal, what do you suppose that he meant?
I find it equally odd that the people wanting to tear down Jefferson statues are also the people who cannot keep themselves from quoting him
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@IwantRooseveltagain
constitutional government based on the creed “All men are created equal.
I find it a bit odd that the constitutional government is based on a phrase that’s not in the constitution
Jefferson is turning over in his grave that egalitarian lunatics are so vigorously misusing his phrase
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@Greyparrot
Nice try, but I’m still not going to support Ukraine
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@zedvictor4
And who are my people other than earthlings.And who are my ilk other than earthlings.
That’s quite tragic. You have no people, do you?
Make of “edgy atheist” as you please. Maybe you’ll be judged, maybe you’ll have a life disconnected from any group of people and then eternal nothingness. Either way, a pitiful existence.
Enjoy what you can, I suppose. It’s probably too late for you to change anything meaningful about yourself or your beliefs
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@Yassine
Islamic values are Islamic values. No moderate & immoderate values.
Not sure I agree with that. Some seem noticeably more willing to kill people for violations than others. And even within Islam, there are Shia and Sunni Muslims that interpret things differently.
But regardless, on paper the values aren’t too bad.
- You can't possibly believe this. You might have been able to get away with this fantastic pretentious narrative in the past. Not anymore. Colonialism is the Crusades on steroid
Could you honestly, with a straight face, tell me that India and South Africa were better off before colonialism? Colonists brought high speed rail, electricity, plumbing, concrete roads, many things that would otherwise not exist
During colonial rule, Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) was the breadbasket of Africa. Once the “colonists” were forced out, they had food insecurity
Colonialism is the Crusades on steroid.
The Crusades were initially a response to Islam trying to militarily conquer Europe. It was an anti-colonial response against imperialistic aggression
The places Muslims conquered actually thrived with their conquerers.
Muslims in North Africa had the largest slave trade in history. Some majority-Muslim countries still enslave people
We'll see what the newly appointed King Charles will do.
Nothing. He is a sissy. Might be as cowardly and liberal as his mother. Only thing he knows well is what good architecture looks like
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@zedvictor4
Great, believe all of that. Live a deracinated hedonistic lifestyle.
Your ilk are why Europe and America are on their deathbed. Your edgy atheism and no sense of community with your people is precisely why a bunch of Muslim goat herders are going to control Europe.
Keep chanting your empty platitudes about “no white race” as your government explicitly discriminates against anyone white and nearly only accepts non-white immigrants.
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@Yassine
It's always possible that they don't emulate the Muslims, since they'll probably go back to their Dark Ages as you suggest.
I made no reference to the Dark Ages. I suggested that they may become like most majority-Muslim countries on the face of the planet
Grooming gangs, gang rape, and beheadings weren’t a problem pre-mass-Muslim-immigration
- You have it backwards! Buddy, the Middle East is the Cradle of Civilization, & the birth of most great religions & civilizations. White Europe entered civilization not even 5 centuries ago, & still needs another 5000 years to catch up to the Middle East. As to backwards, oppressive & murderous...etc, Europe's contribution to those literally outshines the rest of the world combined. The US alone has caused in half a century more deaths than all Muslims combined have in 14 centuries. & we all know in terms of death toll, the US isn't even close to the top of Western countries
Any supposed lack of death toll by the Islamic world is entirely due to incompetence and lagging technology, not desire. And the vast majority of colonized countries are way better off than they were before colonization and better than they otherwise would be
But, I’ll level with you. I’d prefer moderate Islamic values on aggregate to the current degenerate culture being exported by most Western countries. I don’t find that optimal at all, but those values are better than feminist ones.
But rest assured, there is a right-wing resurgence in many European countries and to some degree in America. Anti-feminist and anti-LGBTQ candidates are bringing back family values without Islam
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@Yassine
- What do you mean by strong European people? If you mean oppressive, exploitative, hedonistic, barbaric, ingrate racist people living off the rest of the world, then no I don't want that.
Your resentment gives you away. You hate the West and want it permanently like the backwards, oppressive, murderous Middle East
Though I'd prefer there are more Whites than Blacks, for aesthetic purposes of course.
Oh well, of course. That’s a given
the dominated always emulates the dominator
So would Europeans start raping, blowing themselves up, and stoning women at astronomically higher rates than they currently do?
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@Greyparrot
I refuse to die for Albania or Montenegro
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@Greyparrot
NATO Should have been dissolved in 1992.
I don't really have an issue with military alliances, assuming every country pitches in. But expanding it into their former territory all the way to their doorstep seems to have been a poor plan
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@Yassine
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@Yassine
s the White population shall grow back to its former glory
Call me crazy, but I don't think you want that
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@oromagi
and I did not accuse, only asked with some expression of doubt.
"Let's also recall that Russia did not give a single fuck about provocation when you imposed your no-fly zone against us weeks after Trump got into office or at the Battle of Khasham a year later."
You said "you imposed your no-fly zone against us". So either you are accusing me personally or me as a collective member of Russia as having imposed that no-fly zone.
I can't tell what point you suppose you've proved. Republicans think Gabbard a traitor, I only asked if you were a Russian. If you had proved to be a Russian, it would not make any sense to call you a traitor.
Not supporting a foreign country also doesn't make me a traitor. Neither I nor Gabbard is under any obligation to support Ukraine.
You missed the point. You were suggesting that Clinton was the extremist by characterizing her as a "psycho hawk." By establishing that moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats agreed on opposing Russian objectives in Syria with a no-fly gives the lie to your suggestion of extremism.
Agreement among politicians among two parties doesn't make a position not extremist. And there is no need to get hung up on me calling her a psycho. That's irrelevant. The relevant point is that Russia (or any other country) can support a US candidate without making that candidate a puppet, shill, or traitor. And the fact is, Hillary's foreign policy positions made her very unpopular with Russia. And supporting policies that could easily lead to an armed conflict over a fairly unimportant country's territory is something I would consider extreme and not in our interests. It also just so happens that it also isn't in Russia's interest to fight us.
Which is why Clinton policy kept Hussein in power with a no-fly zone through the '90's until Republicans waged a fake war based on evidence Republicans falsified. Clinton's Syria no-fly zone was clearly a policy designed to leave Assad in place.
Russia has provided direct military aid to Assad. Russia has historically supported Assad. Why would putting a no-fly zone that could target Russian military planes be something that in any way keeps him in power? Russia vetoed draft resolutions from the UN that were demanding Assad's resignation. It is clear that these no-fly zones threatened Assad, not help him.
A coalition of NATO-led powers imposed a no-fly zone in Libya and Gaddafi got sodomized with a bayonet.
I wish the history of dictators supported such confidence. History tells me that Putin will keep taking, as fast or as slow as European resistance permits until he is dead.
And Putin knows from history that alliances (which were much less powerful than NATO) led to massive conflicts. He isn't insane, he knows that he has no hope of winning a fight against NATO. He is barely winning against Ukraine with far less equipment, money, and manpower (even with foreign help) than most singular NATO nations.
NATO is not invading new countries and forcing them into that alliance. Participation in NATO is expensive and voluntary. Eastern European countries join NATO because their assessment is that you are wrong and Putin will keep eating Europe until Europe stops him.
Those Eastern European countries are right to join- it is in their interests. They know that it is the strongest military deterrent there is. And for Poland and some of the others, they are valuable enough to allow in. Ukraine wasn't valuable enough relative to the risks. NATO isn't invading countries, but it is an expanding military alliance that was meant to keep Russia out. NATO expansionism is obviously a catalyst for this conflict. We had a good opportunity post-Cold War to have a friendly relationship with the Russians, but continuously expanding NATO was like spitting in their face.
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@Public-Choice
When people heard election interference, they all thought that Russia hacked voting machines and changed votes.
They actually just spent a few thousand dollars on some ads and other inconsequential stuff. Nothing even remotely as manipulative as what we have done.
But hell, I don’t blame Russia or China or us for meddling in elections one bit. It’s a country’s job to do what is in its peoples’ interests. And the leaders of neighboring countries and superpowers affect our citizens and theirs. It’s just how this works and it should be expected
There is no reason to get all angry about it. I don’t want other countries doing it to us. We should also do what we can to stop them, but that’s just one way power is exercised
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@oromagi
So you identify as Russian? I'm surprised, I thought you were an American.
No? “Could cause a war [against Russia] with us [America]”
See: took just a little bit of dissent for you to accuse me of being Russian. Thank you for proving my point. I’m not only a traitor- I’ve ceased to be American!
Keep in mind that Clinton was joining mainstream Republicans (pre-Trump) like John Kasich, Jeb Bush, John McCain, Lindsey Graham in supporting no-fly zones. Also recall that Obama considered no-fly a serious and supportable option although he ultimately refrained.
That doesn’t matter. Trump was the leading figure of a changing Republican Party that rejected the Bush and McCain hawkish types. Those people are irrelevant. Russia preferred Trump because of what Trump said relative to what Hillary said, not what other Republicans and Democrats said.
Let's also recall that Russia did not give a single fuck about provocation when you imposed your no-fly zone against us weeks after Trump got into office or at the Battle of Khasham a year later. From the pro-Western Civilization point of view, confronting Russia in an already de-populated Syria and exposing your weakness as a fighting force in 2017 would probably have proved a far better option than waiting for Putin's full blown invasion of Ukraine in 2022, with the added advantage of preserving pro-Democracy forces in Syria and our alliance with the Kurds and possibly discouraging Erdogan's re-alignment with Putin.
I’m not from dogshit Russia and it’s one of the last places I’d ever move to 🇷🇺
The Kurds were fighting out of their own interests and we paid them monthly stipends and sent lots of weapons to them. Basically mercenaries with a temporary mutual interest
Among them were communists and other radicals who would be worse leaders than Assad. Did you not learn from Iraq that perhaps it isn’t wise to topple leaders for the sake of “democracy” in the Middle East?
And if we were to actively attack Russians in a conflict, Syria would have been better. But I’d say let’s not do that in either case.
To paraphrase another foreign policy psycho, Donald Rumsfeld: "All I can say is if history has taught anything, it's that weakness is provocative. It entices people into doing things that they otherwise would not do. The course of action that says 'Don't make [Putin} unhappy or mad because he might do something' is kind of like feeding an alligator hoping it eats you last."
At least you acknowledge that Rumsfeld is a foreign policy psycho. But this isn’t a case of being eaten last. Russia won’t dare touch a NATO country. If they did, I’d 100% support an active war against them.
And Ukraine wasn’t valuable enough to let into NATO compared to the risk. So every non-NATO country might be relevant for that scenario above, but not us.
And post- Cold War NATO expansionism all the way up to one country beyond Russia’s border seems to be somewhat of an accelerant leading to this conflict.
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@Greyparrot
Yes, sir!
I WILL eat the bugs. I WILL live in the pod. I WILL die for Ukraine. I DO love Big Brother!
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@oromagi
It’s not some big “own” that Russians support certain candidates over others. That doesn’t mean they are puppets or that they are pro-Kremlin. There is something known as “mutual interest” in which something can be good for us and good for another country (shock! The horror!)
You know why the Russians preferred Trump to Clinton? Because Clinton was a foreign policy hawk psycho that wanted to put no-fly zones in Syria which could cause a war with us.
Now, do you find it so surprising that one of the most outspoken critics of hawkish military policy would be supported by a country that wants to avoid a war with us?
I don’t. But I guess it is treasonous to believe we shouldn’t send billions of dollars to Ukraine and risk getting in a war that’ll kill many Americans, isn’t it?
She must be bought by the Russians!
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@TWS1405
I find her incredibly attractive, smart and she has my vote for POTUS 2024!!!
She wasn’t bad as far as Democrats go. But she is definitely not conservative. She would get shredded in the primaries based on her abortion and gun stances alone.
And based on her performance in the presidential primaries for the Democrats, I’m guessing she won’t be an asset as VP on a ticket either. The DNC has implanted the “Tulsi (Lt Colonel) is treasonous, actually” chip in the NPCs’ brains
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@Mharman
And he was removed from committee assignments. But don’t expect well-researched posts from this fella
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@n8nrgim
Someone saw the meme with the chads shooting each other and the libjak screeching racism
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@Athias
He may have been all those things on DDO, but here on DEBATEART, he has done nothing. Perhaps the office would have been better served if those who voted for him weren't attempting to recapture some DDO nostalgia, and instead focused on making THIS SITE the best version of itself.
I was not chasing any DDO nostalgia. I joined DDO during its death throes. Had no clue who that guy was
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@Vici
Thank you for asking?
- im a soldier like barney who have saved people.
- im rich so I wont be subject to corruption.
- the Bahamas is a beautiful place and I represent them
Do I have your vote?
The Bahamas is a shithole country. I love corruption. Do you not see my Nixon pic???? Plus, you criticize Barney, yet claim it is good to be like him? No vote from me!
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@Vici
Why should we vote for a rich child soldier from the Bahamas?
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@Swagnarok
An economist who testified for the families (aka someone who is favorable to their position) estimated his net worth was between $135m-$270m.
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I refuse to allow Airmax to be ousted.
I voted for him knowing this was the likely outcome.
He, by all objective measures, was the best libertarian leader in history. Look at his laissez-faire treatment of every issue he has and has not encountered! Pure genius on his part
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@badger
Ramshutu through to oro, they all just like to suck a cock every now and again. Danielle is a lesbian, basically.
>Fact Checked by True American Patriots
>Result: TRUE
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@oromagi
You may have given me much to reflect on, based on a cursory glance of the info
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@Shila
You’re posing a question to a guy with a permanent ban. I’m afraid you’ll never receive an answer
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@oromagi
Humans don't have a race in any scientific or rational sense. Race is a 16th century socio-economic concept used to justify a lot of conquest and social stratification but ultimately invalidated by 20th century biological and genetic study. That is, Africans and Asians and even Europeans were talking about mermaids for centuries before there was such a thing as a "white person." When Christopher Columbus reported seeing mermaids during his voyages he was quite clear that they were brown and furry from head to toe and not in any way mistakable for a "white person." Human is a species which is the most basic taxonomical division based on the capacity of Individuals to produce offspring. To make the claim that mermaids are half human you would have to show evidence of live births between mermaids and humans.
So am I to believe that interracial organ transplants have many more complications than within-race transplants because of a socioeconomic concept?
Do we prescribe BiDil to only black people because of a socioeconomic concept from the 16th century? Don’t kid yourself
Let’s just be honest with each other here: I know that you don’t care that white characters are being purposely replaced. You might even actively support it as many liberals do. But don’t try to spew out these liberal talking points that are entirely based on an egalitarian fever dream.
It’s fine that you don’t care about these characters being replaced, but don’t try to cloak it in these arguments saying a clearly white character isn’t white. Don’t pretend to be naive and say this isn’t happening
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@oromagi
She's not white. She's not even human.
Half white person, half fish
“In folklore, a mermaid is an aquatic creature with the head and upper body of a female human and the tail of a fish.“
Humans have a race. So it follows that the human head and upper body has a race as well.
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@Shila
Mermaids should always be white.It was the white culture that believed females should always keep their legs tightly locked together to keep strangers out. The mermaid was the perfect example of white female modesty. Legs inseparable and covered.It should remain a symbol of white culture. Just like three legged men are symbols of black men with over extended not so private parts. And the mermaid is ideally dressed to resist them.
“Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?”
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@oromagi
I’m not gonna pretend I’m raging over this story. I wasn’t going to watch a live action move for children.
But the fact is, every HCA book illustration for the source material and the movie were white characters. So I don’t see why everyone is wasting their time pretending otherwise.
And while a lot of details were changed from book to movie, this was something that stayed the same. Now it’s something that they’re changing, and it is obviously not due to any merits of the actress.
I figured I’d see good faith arguments like “the business is just too lazy to make a unique story about a different mermaid” or “they’re doing it to appeal to an increasingly diverse America” or some other bland talking point. Wasn’t expecting any denial that the at the very least Ariel is White lol
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@SkepticalOne
...what color is human skin? Suffice to say, it's not limited to white. You're making my point. The character being fish, human, or human-fish doesn't require a particular skin tone.
Well now we’re getting to the point. Not all mermaids need to be white (even though it comes from white mythologies). But Ariel in particular was white. The original illustrations from the 1800s, and in fact every illustration of the little mermaid on which she is based, is white
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@coal
Basically this. Now, Dani is trying to crybully her way out of the humiliation she's brought on herself.
Very common online strategy following STEP 1: SAY DUMB THING
There is literally nothing that white women will not make about themselves.
Oh come on now, this isn't exclusive to white women.
It's baffling how quick even conservatives will be in casually mentioning white women (the only form of woman sometimes allowable to be criticized) in a negative light.
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@Shila
Luke proves Jesus was not crucified for any crimes he committed. He was crucified because he was ugly and for his skin colour.Luke 23:13 Pilate called together the chief priests, the rulers and the people, 14 and said to them, “You brought me this man as one who was inciting the people to rebellion. I have examined him in your presence and have found no basis for your charges against him. 15 Neither has Herod, for he sent him back to us; as you can see, he has done nothing to deserve death. 16 Therefore, I will punish him and then release him.”But the crowd demanded Jesus be crucified.Luke 23:21 But they kept shouting, “Crucify him! Crucify him!”Why?Isaiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
Where do they mention his color? Where do they call him ugly?
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@SkepticalOne
Deceptive? You're grasping at straws.
No, I'm not. A centaur is part horse, part human. A mermaid is part fish, part human for all intents and purposes.
Saying that a mermaid is a fish is deceptive. You entirely ignore the human-like component. And humans have skin. Skin has some sort of color to it.
Do you disagree with anything that I have said above?
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@Double_R
How is it piss poor satire? I would love to hear someone explain the key differences between the stupidity expressed within the OP and what we’ve seen from the pro COVID crowd over the past few years.
Well the main difference is the entire underlying topic being discussed.
Recommending that people leave an area because of a natural disaster shares very little in common with arresting people for not staying in their houses/wearing masks in public due to a disease with a low death rate.
As for questioning "the science", there is no profit motive here to sell people things like vaccines. There aren't major partisan political forces encouraging anyone to classify this hurricane one way or another. Meteorologists have no profit incentive to say the hurricane might go in a different direction than it will or that the winds are faster than they really are.
What the Democrats did with COVID lockdowns would be like making the entire state evacuate under threat of arrest because people in western Florida are in high danger from the hurricane.
Sure, she makes it sound like the two cases are similar. If I was entirely ignorant to what a hurricane is or what COVID was or what the policies were for each instance, I would think that it was fabulous satire. Unfortunately, I'm not
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@SkepticalOne
ultimately it is a fish in a fairy tale.
Well that’s a bit deceptive, now. Is a centaur a horse?
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@Shila
The Romans would not have crucified Jesus if he did have white skin.
Source???
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@SkepticalOne
tone, but Hans Christian Anderson merely described her skin as "clear"
“Her eyes as blue as the deepest sea”. I recognize that it’s a fairy tale, but you really thinking that clear skin and blue eyes could mean anything?
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@Greyparrot
I did Nazi that coming...
Maybe there are just so many jokes I’m not aware of. When it comes to humor, I’m out of mein kampfort zone
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@cristo71
That’s an interesting observation. The only exception that I can think of is Mel Brooks’ directorial debut, “The Producers.” It actually manages to make lighthearted fun of Hitler and the Nazi regime. It’s brilliant and hilarious. Oh, and much less brilliant (and much less hilarious depending on whom you ask) the TV series “Hogan’s Heroes.”
Yeah, maybe there is a distinction to be made here more specific than 'hate'. Because while the creators of those shows detested Nazis, they didn't sit around fuming about them. More of a latent hatred, like a recognition that something is bad. All the trials for them were long over, they in effect no longer existed in any meaningful way.
But even so, have you ever heard a good Nazi joke? Like a joke about them specifically, not the edgy jokes about what they did? I can't really think of any.
Because people that still get riled up about Nazis (ie. mainly college students) don't tend to have much of a sense of humor.
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