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@RM
I don't think that the views espoused are left wing. I think that Danielle is fairly left-wing and that only a left-wing person would make a post like that. In fact, I think her post is along the lines of what you said: it was a mocking and deluded 'satirical' expression of hatred that tried to draw an analogy with Republican beliefs.
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@coal
It's not even that her OP is tone-deaf, snide, arrogant, ignorant, conceited, vapid, incoherent and unmoored from anything resembling rationality. I can forgive all of that, if it's funny.But this isn't even funny. Which is just pathetic. I was hoping this could be funny. Instead I just see what Samantha Bee or some other dyke might shriek when trying to live her best life (i.e., be the most sanctimonious cunt she can possibly be).
Humor needs to at least remotely in tune with reality. But when you're trying to cloak your animus towards people you disagree with and that is your priority, nothing you say is going to be funny.
You can make fun of people you don't like - very effectively, in fact. But people you hate? Basically impossible. That's why 99% of Trump jokes didn't even go as far as being clever, let alone funny. They hated him, and just made hateful comments that they tried to hide as edgy humor. The only people that will laugh in politeness are those similarly blinded by rage
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@Greyparrot
I don't know, some of the radical leftists called her crazy at first.A postmodernist leftist cant translate satire since satire requires concrete truths.
Also why they can't meme. They need a thesis on how their insane world view is actually reality before they can get to the punchline.
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@Shila
How is that bad news for Florida? Stick with the topic.
How is your comment on the hand size of Greyparrot bad news for Florida? "Any wonder you fold your arms so your small hands cannot be seen. Busted!"
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@Greyparrot
I don't know, some of the radical leftists called her crazy at first.
I’m excluding Roosevelt, as he is an outlier. Probably mad Danielle is stealing his style
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@Greyparrot
I was willing to listen to her stance on why teen mutilation was necessary, but she kinda lost me at the "98 percent of trans love the surgeries, and the other 2 percent just live on"
And you’ll see 50% of the lefties on here reflexively defending piss poor satire. The other half that recognize the inaptness of the analogy are gracious enough to grant her silence on this matter
Never any pushback
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@Danielle
coal responded to multiple people with multiple posts to [basically] call me a stupid, humorless, tone-deaf, snide, arrogant, ignorant, conceited, vapid, incoherent, sad, pathetic and sanctimonious cunt
I see no refutation of any of these claims
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Um, does anyone else think the OP is nuts?
My my my, you’re especially observant today, Rosie, old chap.
I’m inclined to agree with you on this one
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Did you finish soaking the wood crosses in kerosene?
have you stopped holding your breath until you pass out?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Democrats said they see a more sinister strategy reminiscent of past elections, involving racial stereotypes and playing on voters’ worst instincts.
But envy and resentment from dems plays on voters’ best instincts, doesn’t it, Rosy?
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@Greyparrot
You can't spell liar without AI
Pat, I’d like to buy two vowels
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@coal
I agree with most of this, though remind me to respond to the rest, later. I don't have time right now, but I've got a lot to say on that.
*Reminder*
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Oh of course, how silly of me.You know, you remind me of a famous TV character - Archie Bunker
It does. Read the chart.
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@Shila
Ignoring biology not only makes you less of a racist, it makes you less intelligent than racists as well.
Hey chatbot programmer. Work on reading comprehension. I said biology matters
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@IwantRooseveltagain
“there are also biological differences that will never lead to every group achieving the same average level of success in life?”
yes, and? Whatever skills we value more monetarily doesn’t mean that people are inferior or superior. We can expect better outcomes for groups since we value the ability to, say, do computer coding, surgery, etc and certain groups are better and worse at those tasks.
But computer coding wouldn’t matter all that much if the world economy collapsed. So that doesn’t hold absolute value
East Asians have a tendency to achieve many good outcomes. I’m not an Asian supremacist for recognizing that biology plays a part in that, nor am I racist for thinking that biology has something to do with the demographic makeup of sports leagues.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Considering blacks are way more likely to be poor and discriminated against I’d say that number is not surprising.
4x the proportion of the population is “not surprising”?
And it hardly shows murder is a charge that benefits white people. They are responsible for 46% of all murders.
That includes Hispanics, as well
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@Greyparrot
Identity equates to virtue in smoovbrane world.
I was unaware that we had a federal white supremacy bureau. Incredible! Fox News never informed me of this
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Ha, liar. I screen shot your comment. I knew you would deny it later just like Trump always does
So in my very response, you show that I rejected the label of “inferior”, as it is not something I believe. Excellent work!
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@Shila
So why are Neo-Nazi groups supporting Trump knowing Trump is a advised by two Jews.
I’m sure you’re aware of the idea of “lesser of two evils”? That’s how most people vote. Many people don’t like a candidate, they just hate one less. So because of Democrats spending most of their time vilifying White people and trying to justify discrimination against them, the obvious choice is the only other party that has any chance of being elected.
I could ask you the same question: why did black supremacists vote for Biden?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Are there rules to being a a white supremacist? And I haven’t forgotten your stupid statement on blacks being biologically inferior.You are forever known as an ignorant racist.
I never said that.
And you exemplify everything wrong with libtards. All you try to do is put people in some maligned box so that you don’t have to use your underdeveloped brain to try to debate them.
As for rules for white supremacists, you are an awfully bad one if you appoint many Jewish people to some of the most powerful positions in the world
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And cite your source for most murders are committed by mostly blacks.
51.2% in 2019
I already answered your question saying only if the law against murder only applied to black people, which it does not.
You also said “Laws that favor white people over black people” and the racial makeup of murderers and victims means these laws favor Whites over blacks.
Murderers also can’t vote, so that would mean it is also white supremacist for your “disenfranchisement” point as well
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Oh really? Are you saying most murderers are black? Oh right, we already determined you are a racist
A little over 50% are, yes
But you didn’t answer my question. Are the laws white supremacist?
It seems to be the case from what you said that if most (>50%) murderers were black, then having laws outlawing murder would be white supremacist
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What century do you think this is?
The fact is, he didn’t disown her. In fact, he allowed her and her husband to be advisors. A Neo-Nazi being advised by two Jews. Something isn’t adding up, chief
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Breaking news: Neo-Nazi Donald Trump allows daughter to marry Jew and does nothing to oppose her converting to Judaism
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@coal
More of them should be flown to Martha's Vineyard
I say we turn Martha’s Vineyard into a prison island for illegal immigrants.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
If the laws only prohibit murder of white people.
Which isn’t the case. But arresting murderers disproportionately impacts black people. So why aren’t those laws white supremacist?
You said white supremacist laws favor white people over black people. Well whites are more likely to be murdered by blacks than the other way around. Ergo, anti-murder laws are white supremacist, yes?
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@rbelivb
I don't think it is depressing so much as that digital technologies define a new form of life and consciousness, with its own inner logic which has only begun to develop. People can transform their bodies medically, transform their mind with drugs, etc. - of course in the early stages these interventions come with risks. But the underlying dynamic is that people are reaching a new level of autonomy and control over their own material conditions of life. It is a breakdown of the division between production and consumption that goes along with industrial economies based on large, sedimented centers of production
And if you had to describe this as either “good” or “bad”, which would you choose?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
White supremacy policies? Yes, we used to call them Jim Crow laws. Laws that favor white people over black people, people of means over people with low income and assets, segregation, separate but equal court rulings, laws that disenfranchise blacks from voting and weaken their power in government such as racially inspired gerrymandering. Laws that end up underfunding drinking water in black neighborhoods and cities. There are even some Americans who think blacks are biologically inferior to whites.
Laws that favor white people over black people? So are laws that prohibit murder white supremacy policies?
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@thett3
It’s similar to second generation immigrants getting really defensive about “cultural appropriation” while people actually in those cultures couldn’t possibly care any less. Eventually a culture can become so hollowed out that only the physical trappings remain, causing those to be guarded jealously. Culture is a giant iceberg and the physical stuff is just what’s at the surface
I have always held the more cynical view that they have learned the rules of society better than their parents had. They know they can use cultural appropriation as a battering ram to tear down anyone they don't like/disagree with. Because that tends to be how it is used. You'll notice nobody on the left cared about Elizabeth Warren's thieving of preferential treatment owed to another ethnic/cultural group- because the people that complain about it politically agree with her. She still has her political position. Nobody cared about Trudeau's blackface. It would be unimaginable for any right-winger to keep their position if it came out they did the same thing 20 years prior.
Similar thing with gender. The people most susceptible to this (young urban liberals) are some of the most culturally deracinated people of all time. Separated from God and nature and non online human society to the point that even their conception of gender relies only on the type of physical trappings that could be visible on an instagram post. An odd teenage boy wants to experiment with wearing dresses or painting his nails? He must not really be a boy since boys don’t wear dresses, girls do. In reality those behaviors are the tip of the iceberg and even someone who doesn’t act like a man at all still has more male traits than female traits, they’re just less obvious. Certainly they’d be better off as an intact man with some weird behaviors than a man with a festering wound where his penis once was. This is intuitive to psychologically healthy people but unfortunately the impulse of liberalism to deconstruct absolutely everything means we have to waste time explaining it
I think it is definitely tangential to what you say about being separated from God and nature. It is the fault of anti-identitarian and egalitarian liberalism. The idea that you are born a blank slate and can be whatever you want. That is why they viciously combat any claims that different genders, cultures, racial groups, and other categories of people are, on average, more and less capable than others in different areas. (Any disparities on these fronts are always attributed to some underhanded evil actions by some group).
They fight gender roles that evolved because biological realities over thousands of years. It is a trend- be citizens of the world (you're not bound to your countrymen), egalitarianism (you're not more likely to have any life outcomes), and feminism/transgenderism are cut from the same cloth. Now the very sex that you are born as doesn't matter and can be morphed at will. It is all a systematic rejection who you are born as.
I find it rather helpful to have much of my identity made for me by my circumstances. It's hard enough for teenagers in college to even figure out what they want to have as their job for the rest of their life. Clearly we shouldn't be encouraging people even younger than that to believe they can completely remake core biological parts of their identity.
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@rbelivb
This inevitably gives rise to a new societal self-understanding, a redrawing of boundaries and categories. The conservatives are attempting to reify the phenomenon into a problem of some marginal group of radicals who are supposedly imposing these ideas on the rest of society - it is not going away so easily.
You're deluded if you think this transgenderism wave is entirely organic and from the ground-up. It has the backing of every major institution except maybe that MyPillow guy's business. And banning views to the contrary to the prevailing narrative leads to highly impressionable people falling into the traps of what you seemingly support.
On the internet, groups of people are united more by their ideas, rather than by blood or by land.
Probably explains their lack of connection to anybody or anything, antidepressant use, and inability to socialize. How depressing
Because the modern changes in the concept of gender are a phenomenon of the internet. I don't think psychological institutions or small groups of college students are actually what is causing this issue, and even if we removed them from the picture, this would not re-stabilize gender roles in society.
No it's not being pushed primarily from the college students. They are being taught that, by established institutions. Brain washing is very powerful, exemplified by the voting patterns before and after college.
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@Double_R
It is normally couched in slippery slope fallacies in an attempt to sound more intellectual, but is very clearly the major selling point on this issue.With that said, of all the items you listed gun control is in my opinion the most valid, as there are real world proposals that could become law which many on the right oppose. But I doubt you can argue that banning extended magazines or expanding background checks is really what is driving opposition to democratic policies on this.
Well that's just the thing, the slippery slope fallacy really isn't a fallacy at all. It's used as a defense to hide the real endgame that isn't currently in the overton window. And what is an extended magazine? California (the most populous state in the nation) banned mags with over 10 capacity.
What is that supposed to prove? You’re talking about an issue that 60% of democrats oppose and is blatantly unconstitutional.This is not a real world issue anyone on the left is actually talking about. It’s another right wing bogeyman.
So we're talking about the Democrat party becoming increasingly in favor of blatantly unconstituional positions. But why does it matter that it is unconstitutional? Short term, sure, it matters. However, the constitution is a piece of paper that can't hold any real relevance if enough people change their mind and amend the document.
What will they do, pass laws telling tech companies that they’re not allowed to create and enforce their own terms of service? How is that not a violation of their sacred freedom of speech?
Remove special Section 230 liability protection for censorship of legal speech. And we shall see if censoring speech will be a prevailing interpretation of a form of "freedom of speech", despite some recent cases.
Ah, so they want the freedom to discriminate. Ok, I suppose that’s a legitimate issue that affects them.
Do tell me your thoughts on racial discrimination against Whites for higher education enrollment. Surely if you think religious reasons related to lifestyle choices aren't good enough, then mere racial reasons should be even MORE unconstitutional, yes?
“WHEREAS, The RNC enthusiastically supports President Trump and continues to reject the policy positions of the Obama-Biden Administration, as well as those espoused by the Democratic National Committee today; therefore, be itRESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention”
Why must a party change their platform every couple years? They have a platform, it just isn't new as of 2020 despite your comment of "Of the two major parties, remind me which one has an actual policy platform?"
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Right, The white supremacy poilicies.
Are you capable of defining that term?
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@rbelivb
If we wanted to address the risks it seems obvious that one necessary step would be validating the concept of nonbinary, or other genders, or validating non-traditional concepts of what a woman can be - this way trans people would feel like they could identify the way they want to without inward pressure to conform to a traditional idea of what a woman is through medical interventions. The idea that the trans and nonbinary genders are invalid is a major factor pushing people toward trying to "pass".
Then why are we seeing this transgender issue flare up when gender roles are at their weakest? After decades of feminism essentially trying to make women be men: working instead of bearing and raising children, trying to make women act dominant and aggressive, hookup culture. Why is it just now that people are feeling like they have to pass as a ‘woman’ whatever that means anymore?
What needs to happen is for people to acknowledge the reality of who they are, strive to reach their potential, and be content with that. Who you are is primarily determined at birth, and that can’t be changed.
But if the choice is further making womanhood a meaningless concept or having a handful of people that are confused about who they are, I’d pick the former. Just need to stop having adults implanting doubts of this variety in highly impressionable kids, and much of this transgender issue would go away overnight
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@Greyparrot
The true snare isn’t gender affirming care - it was badger’s lovability all along
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@badger
You like me well enough and I find you a good deal of fun also. You're just salty about last time
Ok, maybe I do a little deep down 😘
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@thett3
He isn’t a pedophile. He’s an Irishman. Capable of making good and soulful work but also a degenerate, very common for the emerald isle
I tend to like the Irish very much. I take exception to him. Seems like one of those knock-off Ulster Irish.
The newer the field the further away from the scientific method it is. Look how piss poor nutrition science is (remember the food pyramid lol.) Psychology is an important field but it’s such a deeply complicated one that yeah everything needs to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. Theres few fields where you should “trust the experts” less
The newer do seem to be worse as a general rule. However, medicine is one of the oldest out there and that is quickly losing its sanity. I think that pretty soon the Newtonian laws will be bending the knee to affirm BLM
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@coal
As for the topic, well-argued post. However, I would hesitate to throw all the blame on the psychology community. Many medical fields, especially those less based in concrete facts like psychology, are highly susceptible to public pressure. In fact, public pressure was a large driver of homosexuality’s removal from the DSM and popular sentiment in the years prior was part of the reason it was included in it.
The problem we have isn’t just coming from psychologists, although they do enable the problem by playing into the delusions of the mentally ill and confused. But the main issue we have is that of a perverted social status hierarchy. It is a very common experience for kids, especially girls, to brag about their mental illnesses. Being diagnosed with, say, depression and anxiety instantly grants you clout. The transgenderism movement is the newest, most “oppressed” status that you can attain. In addition to this, many try to escape their “oppressor” class of being white by joining the cult of the oppressed.
And there is second-hand clout to be gained by being associated with a transgender, whether it be your child or your student that you helped confuse. So you can expect many adults in positions of trust to be provoking thoughts such as these within kids.
Only by upsetting this prevailing societal dysgenic hierarchy can we expect downstream institutions to stop preying on the mentally ill, confused, and those incapable of making decisions for themselves (ie. Minors)
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@badger
Well he's a fucking pedophile, so what do you expect?
Does this explain your obsession with the rare and sensationalized school shootings? Are you distraught by the missed chance to chain those kids up in your cellar?
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@badger
While we're in the business of managing other people's experience of reality, I'll again point out that your children are bringing machine guns to school in order to mow each other down.
That average of 13 liters of pure alcohol per year must be killing your brain. This has nothing to do with the topic
Your tacit support of child genital mutilation is duly noted, however
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I have to object to you on religious grounds - I think your god awful
Knowing that I’m detested by your ilk is all the proof I need to know I’m supporting the right policies
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@Double_R
No one is coming to take your guns.
I never said they are going to be breaking into homes stealing guns. But outlawing magazines based on size? Did we not just recently have an assault weapons ban in the 90s? Maybe having a choice over how you defend yourself, your home, and your family matters to people.
Right wingers do not believe in free speech. They believe in the freedom to force others to give them a platform.
Again with the reductionist broad partisan statements. 35% of Democrats support the government being able to prevent people from saying things "offensive to minorities". Democrats are therefore much more likely to support government banning and punishment of speech. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
Social media censorship is just another bullshit talking point. Stop saying racist violent and dangerously false things and you won’t get “censored”.
Saying that trans women aren't women isn't racist, violent, or dangerously false. Yet that'll get you censored real quick. But continue to bootlick Zuckerborg and the other tech overlords.
No one is trying to take your religious freedom.
Uh-huh, just trying to bankrupt Christian bakers with lawsuits for not supporting lifestyles contrary to their beliefs.
The vast majority of right wing voters do not make enough money to be impacted by the tax increases the left is proposing.
So? Maybe Republicans aren't as selfish as you and support policies despite not directly benefiting from them.
Of the two major parties, remind me which one has an actual policy platform?
How about you bless me with your unbiased, all knowing wisdom
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@Shila
Whites don’t have a problem with other replacement colours like Red, orange Trump, swastika, etc. their problem colour is just black.
I am on board with Shila chat bot theory
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@TWS1405
Isn’t it time for you to touch yourself to a photo or video to Trump speaking truth over your ignorant fiction!?! closet trumper that your so clearly are.
We all know that Trumpphobes all secretly want to have sex with Trump
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And people like you have complained about ever since
Yes. But you also complained. So what’s wrong with it? How is taking in almost exclusively non-White people racist in your mind? I’d love to know
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@IwantRooseveltagain
We want people processed, we want a system that is more welcoming and less racist.
We accept ~1 million people per year.
“The top countries of origin for immigrants were Mexico (24 percent of immigrants), India (6 percent), China (5 percent), the Philippines (4.5 percent), and El Salvador (3 percent).“
Is accepting a quarter of immigrants from a third world Latin American country not non-racist enough for you? Do we need 100% coming from Third World non-European countries? Would that please you?
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@Double_R
I’ve never heard the stark difference between the two sides made so succinctly.
I’ve never heard such a braindead, reductionist way of describing the parties so succinctly
Does gun control not affect GOP voters? Free speech? Social media censorship? Religious rights? Taxes?
The party offended by damn near everything votes on what affects them and not what offends them?
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@Greyparrot
People choosing who governs them and joining a cooperative military alliance seem reasonable to me.
I wouldn’t wish (presumably) Third World immigration like we have onto any country. Just nuke them and make it a quick death.
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@oromagi
democratic, open for immigration and ideally, itself a member of NATO.
One of these seems a bit out of place.
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