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@Dr.Franklin
Obviously this website is not fascist, since it is neither ethnonationalist nor without meaningful democratic processes. Besides, no self-respecting fascist organization would be led by a queer lefty like myself.
What you seem to be alleging is that, because you lost a fair vote, there is somehow no longer democracy or respect for users' rights on this site. Both of those claims are absurd. In a healthy democracy, some people are always going to lose votes. That you choose to pout after losing is more a reflection on you than on the system. And, users' rights are still as robust as ever when you consider that the limitation on spam posting is a truly minuscule restriction of those rights.
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@Castin
Marmite - a very British brand of culinary torture. It is, in essence, the flavor one might associate with a Dementor, if one were inclined to imagine a Dementor's impact on the palette.
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It's been over 7 months since I have done one of these, and was in the mood. Four random facts about me, for anyone looking for something to ask me...First, while some people rely on Myers-Briggs to sort their personalities, I prefer to use Hogwarts houses. Having taken the Pottermore test twice, I am definitely a Ravenclaw. My Ilvermorny house is either Thunderbird or Horned Serpent.
Second, while I consider myself well-read and knowledgeable about a wide array of topics, I typically read Science Fiction and Fantasy. I find non-fiction tedious, and almost never open non-fiction books. I prefer to read synopses or abridged versions, and I wonder sometimes whether I am missing out on something crucial, or whether reading the books is fundamentally unnecessary if the facts concerned can be apprehended more efficiently in other ways.
Third, I am agnostic, meaning that I believe that belief in god is irrational and that disbelief in god is irrational. Or, in other words, I believe that the only rational position is to refuse to believe anything, and to subject oneself to a state of permanent doubt. I find this deeply unsatisfying because it seems to keep everything in limbo; humans are not well-adapted to tolerating ignorance when they accept that they are indeed ignorant. I feel the greatest connection to the spiritual while in nature, where I often get a sense of the transcendence Thoreau and his ilk purport to have felt.
Fourth, I am on the left of the political spectrum. The role of the state is, in my view, not simply to guarantee the kind of superficial freedom that comes from non-interference, but to to guarantee substantive freedom, which requires the promotion of wellbeing, and thus active involvement in the affaris of society. I tend to think about ethical-political questions in terms of caring for others and the community, and not in terms of leaving others alone.
So yes, I wrote mini-essay about me for an AMA OP (rhyme!). But, seriously, feel free to ask me anything, whether its about the four topics or not. I would prefer not to entertain site policy or moderation questions; this thread is just for my own amusement. If a more site-focused AMA is necessary, I can host that later and separately. Finally, that a question is asked, does not guarantee I will answer. Thanks! I look forward to your questions.
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@Castin
bish wtf happened to your sexy man picture.
I thought, after celebrating pride, I should return to something a bit more dignified...I'll probably do something seasonal for Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas, and go back to sexy men next June. Good things come to those who wait, after all ;P
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Final Vote Count
Question 1Yes - 20No - 0Question 2Yes - 14No - 6Question 3Yes - 14No - 6Question 4Yes - 16No - 6
Results
Out of 20 votes, the binding threshold for a MEEP is 12-8, while out of 22 votes, the binding threshold for a MEEP is 13-8. As such, all of the referendum questions have passed. Implementation of these new policies will be effectuated when the Code of Conduct and Extended Moderation Policies documents have been updated to reflect the changes.Thank you again to all who have participated. As always, it was good to get the community's feedback on these important issues, and we hope this overhaul of the voting policies will foster more robust and honest voting practices in the future. This MEEP will be switched to read-only sometime within the next 24 hours.
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@Mharman
Virt and I have recused ourselves from moderating Wylted's content (though he is not the only one from whom we might be recused). As the Moderator for Special Cases then, it falls to Castin to make rulings where Wylted is chiefly concerned. Wylted is certainly still subject to moderation, and moderation has not given up on any user.
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The MEEP voting period has now since closed. I will be double-checking the vote count to ensure there are no inaccuracies, and then I will be declaring the results. Please be patient.
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@oromagi
Office would be my first choice. Pokémon last. I h8 Pokémon. Nevertheless /in whichever.
I'd also do the Office, but I stopped watching once Sabre took over, so my knowledge is limited...
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Time Check
About 7 hours and 15 minutes remain to cast or alter your vote in the MEEP.
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Question 1
Yes - 17
No - 0
Question 2
Yes - 11
No - 6
Question 3
Yes - 12
No - 5
Question 4
Yes - 15
No - 4
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Question 1
Yes - 16
No - 0
Question 2
Yes - 10
No - 6
Question 3
Yes - 11
No - 5
Question 4
Yes - 15
No - 3
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Question 1
Yes - 13
No - 0
Question 2
Yes - 7
No - 5
Question 3
Yes - 9
No - 3
Question 4
Yes - 12
No - 3
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Question 1
Yes - 12
No - 0
Question 2
Yes - 3
No - 2
Question 3
Yes - 5
No - 1
Question 4
Yes - 11
No - 3
Questions 2 and 3 will be updated as clarified votes are stated.
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@RationalMadman
@Ramshutu
@ILikePie5
@TheRealNihilist
@crossed
Can you please clarify your vote on questions 2 and 3, which should have said "prohibited" rather than "permitted." The wording has now been corrected.
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@Mharman
@Club
@bmdrocks21
@Patmos
@WaterPhoenix
Can you please clarify your vote on questions 2 and 3, which should have said "prohibited" rather than "permitted." The wording has now been corrected.
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About MEEP
MEEPs (Moderation Engagement and Enactment Processes) are official comment periods where moderation proposes and solicits feedback on various potential moderation policies. MEEPs allow moderation to pose questions about moderation policy to the site usership and empower the site usership to either ratify or reject moderation's proposals. In order for a moderation proposal to be ratified, at least 10 users must have expressed a preference on the policy in question, and more than a majority of those expressing a preference must be in agreement. That means, in a MEEP with 10 voters, the minimum threshold for a binding result is 7-3; similarly, in a MEEP with 19 voters, the minimum threshold for a binding result is 11-8. This ensures that the outcome of the process reflects the consensus of a significant number of site users. If a MEEP result is not binding/valid, moderation will maintain the pre-MEEP status quo, whatever that happens to be. Your account must be more than 24 hours old at the time you vote in order to vote, and you must not be a banned user.
This MEEP will be open for user votes until 9:45pm, EST, on 7/27/19. This voting period may be extended by up to twelve hours if there are fewer than 10 votes on any of the specific questions put to the usership. Any extension will apply to all questions. Votes cast after the deadline will not be considered.
The Questions
Below is an enumerated list of the content to be voted on. A brief explanation of each question is included as well. Please vote "yes" or "no" to each of these questions.
1. Should anti-doxxing protections be extended to nonusers whose identity is not already publicly known?
Voting "yes" to this question will alter the content of the Code of Conduct. The current version reads: "Doxxing is posting in public or in private any real-life or personally identifying information about another site user against that site user's will and without that site user's explicit consent." The altered version would read: "Doxxing is posting in public or in private any real-life or personally identifying information about an otherwise anonymous person against that person's will and without that person's explicit consent." A "no" vote would retain the current wording of the Code of Conduct, though information doxxing non-DARTers might still be removed if it is deemed by moderation to be life-threatening.
2. Should "for spam" threads be prohibited?
"For spam" threads are threads which are made for users to spam post in (e.g. "yeet," "record attempt at most posts," "race to 127 posts"). Voting "yes" to this question will cause these threads to be treated as spam themselves, and deleted. It will not result in the deletion of existing "for spam" threads, but will cause them to be locked. A "no" vote would continue to allow these posts to exist and to be posted in (as long as they are in the miscellaneous forum).
3. Should accepted spam debates be prohibited?
For the purposes of this question, "spam debate" refers not only to obvious spam (e.g. "best online guru love matchmaker [phone number]"), but also to debates created by banned users via multi-accounts. Voting "yes" to this question would allow spam debates to be deleted even if those debates have been accepted. As the creation of those debates was prohibited, that they are accepted should not change their illicit nature. A "no" vote would allow spam debates to be accepted and to count towards the leaderboard.
4. Should there be a public ban log primarily for permanently-banned users and with some information on temporarily-banned users?
Voting "yes" to this question would allow the creation of a public ban log (in the miscellaneous forum). This ban log would contain a list of perma-banned users with a brief description of the reason for their ban. It would also include information on the length of the ban for temporarily-banned users, but would not include the reason(s) for those users' bans. Accounts banned for commercial advertising, and which have generated no other content, would not be included in the ban log. Already banned accounts would also not be included in the ban log. A "no" vote would prevent the creation of a public ban log.
You may now begin voting. Thank you for your participation in this MEEP process!
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@Dr.Franklin
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@TheRealNihilist
How about removing existing ones and adding them their?
I believe I have already moved all existing AMAs that were in the main forum to the People forum. If I overlooked any, please let me know.
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AMAs belong in the People, Personal, or Miscellaneous forums. While I don't generally mind a user posting an AMA in the main (Debate.org) forum first, to get it some attention, after a few hours, users should now expect their AMAs to be relocated to one of the forums where AMAs belong. This will keep the main forum relatively decluttered and on-topic.
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Let me remind everyone: this is not the appropriate thread to have arguments. This thread is for people to introduce themselves and to be welcomed to the community.
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Cool. Seems like there is a consensus. I'll move them later today.
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@TheRealNihilist
Hi.
So, I don't mind AMAs in the main section, unless there are too many, in which case I would move them somewhere else to declutter the main forum. If there are objections to this policy, I am open to hearing them.
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@Ramshutu
That might be a better alternative than affixing it above the forums like that...
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@DebateArt.com
I agree that it is visually obtrusive. Perhaps users could just be automatically PM'd links to those threads when they create an account?
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Eh, so this really isn’t kosher since it’s twilight, but I am pissed enough at town and Pie to out this. I am the tracker. Visited Disc. Disc visited Grey sucessfully. Not possible if Grey is a hider. Grey must be scum. Keep in mind possible lookout vs. watcher.
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Bye. I am really tempted to say f-you, but since that would be impolite, instead “bye” will have to do.
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@oromagi
I cannot believe you rushed the fucking lynch. Town deserves this loss. You didn’t even give me any fucking time to post.
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@Wylted
DO NOT LYNCH. I am a power role. Will claim when I get home.
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@Club
You're not very good at reading people, are you?
Dear lord.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I do not play favorites. I have removed votes cast by fellow moderators. I have banned ardent liberals (e.g. disgusted) and ardent conservatives (e.g. Dr.Franklin), and have banned theists (e.g. Mopac) and atheists (e.g. Goldtop) alike. I do not give any users preferential treatment on the basis of their relationship with me, or any political or religious beliefs they might hold.
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@Club
As I said, I didn't do much to pressure Wylted. It was basically an RVS, as is clear in context. If I really wanted to pressure Wylted, I would have tunneled, and obviously, I didn't.
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@Club
You're confusing my exasperation at your complete cluelessness with defensiveness. How about you actually read the last DP, and then you can make genuinely intelligent posts.
If you're going to scumread me, that's fine. Just do it based on something that actually happened, and not whatever nonsense your half-assed skim of the DP produced.
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@Club
I didn't really defend myself much, so I find that remark actually funny. And I didn't really do much to pressure Wylted, and certainly wasn't leading anyone.
How about you try saying something correct.
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@Wylted
But, he is definitely not today's lynch target.
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I would also enormously appreciate it if people were patient. Do not rush to a lynch. We have quite a lot of time to investigate and interrogate, even if your mind is already made up on your preferred target.
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You know, Grey being scum actually makes a lot of sense in retrospect.
Disc pressured Grey, whereas I took it as obvious that Grey was town, and I actively defended him last DP. If Grey is scum, he could have left the Bsh lynchwagon precisely because he didn't think my mislynch was likely to happen, and because he wanted to continue to get the benefit of the cover I was providing him.
Going into this DP, a scum Grey would have been without a threat (Disc) and with a perceived ally in the townpool (me). This might explain the choice of the Disc NK, which otherwise isn't making a ton of sense.
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@Greyparrot
At this point, there is no reason to conceal the info if you are in fact a townie. I can only interpret your intransigence as scum-motivated.
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@Greyparrot
See, you were the only other person besides me that Disc pressured, and the only other person besides me that voted to lynch Disc. Since I know that I am town, I have to revisit the question of your guilt.
You are refusing to answer my hypothetical because the answer is inconvenient for you. There is nothing scum would gain from you naming your target last night. Giving the answer would, at the very least, show that you had nothing to hide (pardon the pun) about your activities during the NP.
So, please cooperate, and claim. It's late, I'm tired, and I haven't the patience to go around in circles with you anymore.
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@Greyparrot
Let's suppose for a moment that you did not intend to hide behind the exact same player each night. In that scenario, what would scum gain by your outing your night action?
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