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@Discipulus_Didicit
Nah. Grey's logic for role claiming is not evident, but I don't think he's scum, and I don't think he should role claim.
VTL Wylted
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@oromagi
What are your thoughts on Water's claim? Curious you haven't commented.
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@WaterPhoenix
VTL Water
I want a paraphrase of the PM Pie sent you, and I want it now. The longer you wait, the more suspect you become.
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@WaterPhoenix
That claim immediately raises my suspicions. According to the wiki, "the Valg are a race of powerful and malicious demons." This does not seem like the kind of role a townie would have.
What--if any--reasoning was provided explaining why you are vanilla. Paraphrase your PM for me please.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Just VTL him to make me happy. 3 votes should be sufficient pressure for a soft claim.
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@Greyparrot
What utility did you envisage attaining as a result of your early role claim?
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@oromagi
Pressure Wylted. He's the hardest player to read, and so it is probably best to pin him to something early.
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@Greyparrot
Again: why role claim so early?
"Because you cannot" is not an answer.
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@oromagi
I saw the wiki. But what I'd really like is a brief synopsis of the series. Like, the whole series in 1,000 words or less.
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I'll soft claim as I did last game.
ontkoadtooohmpotrfot
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I am about as excited as a Slytherin in a Basilisk's lair! And yes, I know this has nothing to do with HP, I just like mixing metaphors. Honestly though: what is this game about? I have zero thematic knowledge, and would appreciate a brief rundown.
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@Alec
Spamming is against the rules, though it is tolerated on threads made for spam.
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@Dr.Franklin
And moderation is discussing the issue with you.
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@mustardness
Because I am deleting Franklin's spam, I am also going to delete the spammed replies to him you made, to declutter the thread. You're in trouble for the spamming in this thread, though I would encourage you to just report spam rather than to counter-spam.
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People are free to disclose truthfully, falsely, or not at all. This freedom, I think, makes its removal unnecessary. But I don't think its removal would create any harm. Honestly, it comes down to (a) how much work is it for Mike to remove and (b) how many people want it to be removed (and how badly do they want it)? If people just don't really care (that's me), then I think the status quo is fine.
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@Dr.Franklin
Digusted was banned as recently as one month ago...
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I just wiped the content of the OP. This issue will be MEEP'd at the next opportunity to do so.
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@Nd24007
Doxxing people is never appropriate. If Inferno were a member of DART, you would have been permanently banned for this post. As it stands, Inferno is not a member of DART. If you believe that there is some actionable misconduct on Inferno's part, report that conduct to the police. I must implore you not to post content like this on DART again, as it gives the impression that doxxing is somehow okay, and as it constitutes filth in its own right.
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That's not really practicable. The same word may carry a different connotation and different weight in different situations. And, people interpret the same words as having different levels of severity, so scaling words would actually create more ground for disagreement. And, not all words could be accounted for. Without accounting for all words in advance, moderation could be accused of ex post facto or capricious punishment if it were to add words to the scale/list only after they were used. And, this policy could have the de facto impact of legalizing "light" or "moderate" insults. And, finally, this makes moderation more like a math equation that excludes important human considerations.I suggest a varying degree system of words, phrases, which are considered SEVERE, MODERATE, and LIGHT
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@Dr.Franklin
its all about reporting
This is true in a sense. Moderation does not generally act on content which has not been reported. This is why it is so important that members report misconduct wherever they encounter it.
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@Vader
First, let me say that Poly has certainly not gotten away with any misconduct. She has been regularly banned for things she has said on this site--this is public knowledge.
Second, you, RM, and KL have not been victims of "unlawful" bans. Your bans were in full compliance with the COC, and came after warnings. In KL's case, they requested to be banned.
Third, any user who accrues a large enough number of warnings and temp-bans will eventually be banned. Moderation is continuing to monitor those individuals with a long history of misconduct, and, where appropriate, will inform those members of impending perma-bans should they refuse to improve their conduct.
Ultimately, this is kind of a Sword of Damocles situation. It is never easy to determine when conduct rises to a level where a warning or ban is called for. Those have to be decisions that are carefully evaluated. However, it is easy to criticize when one (a) is not the decision-maker and (b) is not privy to the numerous conversations moderation has had with problematic members or the warnings that have been issued.
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Also, it is interesting that Oro's literally never been on the same page with anyone else this game...Scum trying to misdirect? We'll probably know more after Supa's lynch.
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@warren42
I can only assume you either didn't read DP1, or you're fishing for opportunities to mislynch based on contrived reasoning. There's no consistency in your analysis.
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@Greyparrot
Just hammer so we can advance POE and end this stupid Supa discussion before it dominates another DP.
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@warren42
That's absurd. Oro and I also immediately attacked Wylted for Wylted's gambit, but you're not scumreading for the same behavior. Talk about contrivance.
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@TheRealNihilist
I don't mean paid writers. I mean volunteers.
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Right now, I am FOSing Pie, Warren, and Disc. If Supa flips inno, Oro is going in that pile too. Maybe he should be there already. Honestly, there are too many people raising my hackles rn and it's bothersome.
And then there are Grey and KM who, by virtue of not being super active, are just skating under the radar, which I don't like, because I can't really get a feel for them and where they're at. The mod needs to be vigilant about inactives and replace them (i.e. KM) in a timely fashion, and everyone else needs to be active and engaged. They, and Supa, are null to me. I think if we don't get Supa out of the game now, the question of his affiliation will continue to waste town's time and prevent any meaningful progress in the game. Decent POE lynch, given the time constraints, but I don't like the trajectory of the game so far.
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@warren42
I don't know why people think that this is something that's alignment indicative in any way. I completely agree that it's a linguistic thing that is *not* a perspective slip. I *do* think that Disc made some very good points at the beginning of the phase though and think that his push against Wylted is concerning.
Explain. Absent the alleged scumslip, I see no real case against Supa at all. The reasoning your giving is especially contrived. Supa basically disappeared after page 3 of DP1, and only reappeared to VTL Water and then vanish. There was no "push" against Wylted from Supa. This whole post is just nonsense.
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If Supa flips inno, we need to take a serious look at Oro, given DP1.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Okay, I'll credit that as a reasonable explanation. But it still seems to me than an inactive scumbuddy is the most likely explanation. Ultimately, I think, most people would at least query in the PM, rather than risk stumbling. But maybe that's just me.
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Honestly, I am not happy with the Supa lynch, but given the pace of the game, and with ~24 hours left, there's no realistic possibility of redirecting the lynch. At least we'll get some POE sorted out and get this stupid scum slip nonsense out of the way. I will be online for another half hour and then probably not again until at least 7:00am, EST.
VTL Supa
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@TheRealNihilist
I am going to transfer this to the philosophy forum in a day or two.
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@Pinkfreud08
This is neat.
Probably the best way to go about it would be to recruit 3-4 "writers" and then assigned each of them 3-5 pages to write. Assuming everyone does their work, you could have 15 pages done by summer's end.
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@oromagi
@Discipulus_Didicit
Water likely muffed his fake claim because his scumbuddy was not active during the first part of the last DP to help him out. If that is the case, then Supa as the lynch target needs to be reconsidered. Supa was posting concurrently with Water during the DP, and so it seems unlikely that he would be Water's scumbuddy.
Moreover, the case against Supa relies heavily on a slip that I am having trouble seeing as really damning. Supa says: "Seems like a scummy way to lynch a newb player to pressure them into admitting." It strikes me, having read and re-read this post, that Supa used "admit" as a synonym for "slip." If Supa had said "slipping," I doubt we'd be having this conversation. If Supa simply conflated admit with slip, it was an honest, linguistic mistake, rather than a slip in its own right.
I do find it odd that Supa isn't doing much to defend himself. But I am not sure whether to attribute that to the slow pace of the game, apathy, or having already given up. If anything, not fighting for his own life seems more of a town-tell than a scum-tell, though it's mostly null to me.
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@ILikePie5
No, I think you're pretty predictable. Of all the players alive, you seem the most likely to reactively target Wylted without (a) hesitating because of the doc possibility and (b) hesitating because of the possibility that Wylted was lying, despite the result of his gambit. I have seen your play in other games, and reactive NKs are totally within your playstyle.
We can also factor in your inactivity on the site. It seems plausible to me that Water messed up his claim because his scumbuddy wasn't online to help him. That could easily describe a scum team with you and Water on it. To some extent, this may exonerate Disc, Supa, and Grey (who were all posting concurrently with Water).
Your vote in the last DP came only after Water was lynched (i.e. twilight), and you jumped right on the Supa bandwagon this DP. I am not sold on Supa's guilt, and if he flips inno, it will do little to convince me of your own innocence.
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