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If it was God can not be seen to be real and Kim jong ung can be seen to be real. It would not matter i still do not need God to physically tell me that X was created for y. All i have to do is see observe X and y. I can not think of an example that would work with this that is real.But let me state a fake example. let's say hypothetically. Let say that horse's had evidence That they once had horns.This example is not real. unicorn had horns. This means horses once were unicorns but evolved.
- horses having evidence of horns is x
- unicorns having horns is y
X means that horses used to be unicorns because unicorns are y.
Unicorns are not real. But if there were evidence like this. This could prove them to be real. Unicorns are not real we can not see them. We can not see god But because God did X for Y. We can see he did this by observing X for Y.
Horses do not have evidence off once having horns.I just needed a myth like example to use to fit in your logic
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@secularmerlin
ok was it not God is an undemonstrative agent and my examples are demonstrated agent's. Because God is an undemonstrative Agent my point is invalid.
This is Wrong because it does not matter because you do not have to see The object in order for it to be invalid.
For example kim jong ung picked 6 foot or 7 foot men to guard the border between south Korea and north Korea.We know that he did this to intimidate south korea because he told us. But we would know this as fact even if he did not tell us and this was an undemonstrative agent. It was not hard for me to figure out that he put 6 foot and 7 foot men to guard the border because they are stronger. I did not need him to tell me this in order to know this.I could have figured it out just by observing that there 6 foot and 7 foot. It was not hard for me to figure out on my own. By just observing there height. So this example did not need to be an demonstrative agent. It would still work if it was an undemonstrative agent.
In north Korea all of Kim jong soldiers that guard north korea border that connects to south korea are 6 foot or 7 foot tall.
The reason why he did this is because 6 foot people are stronger and soldiers have to fight.
- Soldiers having to fight will be x
- 6 to 7 foot people being stronger is y
Kim jong ung chose people with the y trait to help with x.
It does not matter if god is an undemonstrated agent or an demonstrated agent. He does not need to tell me that he put X for Y. I can figured out He put X for Y by just observing X for Y.
Animals have more fur during the winter.
- Winter will be x
- more fur will be y
God created animals with y to help with x
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@Stronn
Evolution is Wrong.
point 1
Our body try's to prevent mutations. So evolution is impossible.
cells have a variety of mechanisms to prevent mutations, or permanent changes in DNA sequence.
a radio paster originally said this chuck
point 2
Mutations occur if the repair mechanisms re-attach the wrong piece of DNA back together
Why would a mistake turn a monkey into a human.
Point 3
. Chlorophyllin is one of the most promising agents to protect against these deadly gene mutations.
Chlorophyll makes Chlorophyllin. Chlorophyll is what makes plants green. So it is impossible for all plant eaters to evolve because they eat green grass. which prevents mutations because grass has Chlorophyll.
point 4
There DNA repair foods.
Kiwi when consume repair 5 genes. Will i turn back into a monkey if i eat my DNA repair foods
The kiwi fruit industry wanted to know what medicinal purposes there plant had. so they funded a bunch of experiments. They found that when you consume a kiwi you repair 5 genes.
By video 2 They went forward with there experiments. But with other fruits and they found that the group that ate 4 different kinds of berries with kiwi repaired 25 genes. They ate bilberry raspberry blackberry kiwi and strawberry and repaired 25 genes. 5 genes per fruit.precise number 5
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I was going to leave it here because this was a good spot to stop. But because of people comments afterwards. I felt i had an obligation to come back.
This knowledge thing of yours Crossed seems to be running well.But your last post states....( Jesus exists because his prophecy come true ).Not meaning to be rude or nothing pal butttttt, IT IS A CLEAR SIGN THAT YOU HAVE A " FAULTY" ( KNOWLEDGE APPLICATOR )So ummmmmmmmn yeah, you might want to check that out. ( no worries, )Good day.
So many great bible prophesy's
Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day.
Isaiah prophesied that Israel would become a nation again and that it would happen in one day!
Didn't Ezekiel say that Egypt would never again rule over other nations?
Egypt will never rule other nations again. This has remained true. Mind you Egypt was the most powerful nation in the world for most of human history. During the time this was quite the prophesy and quite insane to say
There is pharmakeia and medicine.
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@Harikrish
So why are Eskimos just as hairless as Africans.
Because people shave there hair. Animals can not do that.
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@ludofl3x
Animals have more fur during the winter. Winter will be X. More fur will by Y. THanos created animals with y to help with x.
Thanos can not because Disney made him. The fact you are saying other gods did it. Show's that you have lost. When i created this thread.I was just trying to show that god exist. I was not trying to prove Jesus specifically. I was targeting those who believe that it was silly to believe an all powerful being exist. Now i am going to do that with the prophesy above so..
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@Harikrish
I forgot that revelations was written by that guy trapped on that island.
But many bible prophesy have come true like Israel being born on a single day.
Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day.
Isaiah prophesied that Israel would become a nation again and that it would happen in one day!
Didn't Ezekiel say that Egypt would never again rule over other nations?
Egypt will never rule other nations again. This has remained true. Mind you Egypt was the most powerful nation in the world for most of human history. During the time this was quite the prophesy
There is pharmakeia and medicine.
Literally almost all the prophesy about the antichrist are plausible because of technology
Can not buy or sell without a mark.
- Microchips.
Worship the image of the beast
- tv
Every man on earth seeing the antichrist rise fro the dead.
- Again tv
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Animals have traits because the creator is intelligentPlease demonstrate any effect that can be verifiably attributable to some god(s). Remember that there is an effect is not evidence of a particular cause or even a cause at all.
In north Korea all of Kim jong soldiers that guard north korea border that connects to south korea are 6 foot or 7 foot tall.
The reason why he did this is because 6 foot people are stronger and soldiers have to fight.
- Soldiers having to fight will be x
- 6 to 7 foot people being stronger is y
Kim jong ung chose people with the y trait to help with x.
Animals have more fur during the winter.
- Winter will be x
- more fur will be y
God created animals with y to help with x
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@secularmerlin
Apple stem fits perfectly on a apple tree branch
WIne glass does not
This analogy does not hold. Daisies and wine glasses have stems and neither comes from a tree. You are still relying on priori knowledge of apple trees where no priori knowledge of your actual subject, some god(s), exists outside of human claims.
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Man can and has designed animals to do certain things, look certain ways. Ask a labradoodle.
OK let used this logic. In north Korea all of Kim jong soldiers that guard north korea border that connects to south korea are 6 foot or 7 foot tall.
The reason why he did this is because 6 foot people are stronger and soldiers have to fight.
- Soldiers having to fight will be x
- 6 to 7 foot people being stronger is y
Kim jong ung chose people with the y trait to help with x.
Animals have more fur during the winter.
- Winter will be x
- more fur will be y
God created animals with y to help with x
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@ludofl3x
you aren't trying to SHOW anything. You are saying something is as it is, therefore it is that way because something no one can confirm exists as of yet designed it to be as it is
I am saying it is a certain way because an intelligent being created it that way.He did it because this so on so reason. you do not have to see the object. As long as it effects you. It must exist.
My example
- I have knowledge that plants die during the winter time. So i apply this knowledge and bring in my plants indoors so they do not die in the cold.
. plants are inside. Therefore i brought them inside so they do not die in the cold. Nature follows the same logic i use here. Therefore the one who created nature is intelligent to.Because it follows the same logic.
Gods example.
- God has knowledge that dogs would be hot during the summer. So he applied this knowledge and designed the dogs to shed it's fur during the summer
Dogs shed during the summer. Thus God designed the animals to shed its fur so they can cool down.
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Since the apple has a stem. It means it was once part of a tree. I do not need to show you the orchard
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@ludofl3x
I am trying to show you the reason why animals have certain traits. is because god used his knowledge when designing the creatures. Since he used his knowledge god exist.
Yes i could show my friend a apple orchard. Or i could show that the apple has a stem. The stem was what held the apple on the tree. Thus the apple had to be on a tree at one point. since it had a stem.
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@ludofl3x
I am actually doing a debate on other gods right now.
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@secularmerlin
Yes but you do not have to see something to know that it effected it. If you are effected by that thing you can not see. Then the thing you can not see must exist.
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Humming birds have straws for beaks so they can suck nectar from flowers.
- suck nectar from flowers will be x
- Straw beaks will be y
God created y So they can do x
There would be no hummingbirds if they did not have the right beak for the job because they could not eat.So god gave the humming bird a beak specifically designed for eating nectar.
Some birds have beaks specifically designed to eat bugs.
- Bird has special beak that helps with eating bugs will be x
- Birds eat bugs will be y
Thus god created x to help with y
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@ludofl3x
It's true if rain did not fall from the sky no plants can exist.
That is completely true. I know that you are trying to say that it is unreasonable but it is not. Why should this properties exist.
If i did not water my plants they would die.
If god did not water his plants they would die
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@secularmerlin
It is an undemonstrative agent because you did not see the grocery store apple get picked off a tree.
Ok
The dog is the demonstrative agent and because it exist. The what you call an undemonstrative agent must also exist.Aka God. since the demonstrated agent shows tampering from the undemonstrative agent. The undemonstrative agent must exist because it tampered with he demonstrated agent.
The dog Sheds its fur during the summer. God must have done it. Because it shows that the dog was created in a certain way because god had foreknowledge. God had knowledge that summers would be hot. So he designed the dog to shed it's fur.
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@secularmerlin
False anology
I pick an apple from a tree and eat it. It is logical for me to think the apple grew on a tree.
I buy apples at the grocery store. It is illogical for me to think the apple came from a tree because i did not pick it
That's your logic.Just because i did not see the grocery store pick there apples off a tree. it does not mean the apples did not come from a tree
- me picking the apple off a tree is a demonstrated agent. grocery store picking the apple is undemonstrated agent. Thus the grocery store did not pick the apple
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@secularmerlin
Its an intelligent choice
My example
- I have knowledge that plants die during the winter time. So i apply this knowledge and bring in my plants indoors so they do not die in the cold.
Gods example.
- God has knowledge that dogs would be hot during the summer. So he applied this knowledge and designed the dogs to shed it's fur during the summer
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@Harikrish
Thats how some people interpret it. But the racism is on both sides.
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nocturnal creatures live at night and have night vision.
- night will be x
- night vision will be y
God gave nocturnal animals y to help with x
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Humming birds have straws for beaks so they can suck nectar from flowers.
- suck nectar from flowers will be x
- Straw beaks will be y
God created y So they can do x
God gave the humming bird straw beaks so they can suck nectar from flowers
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@Harikrish
i am saying these adaptation are not adaptation but were formed via creation. It is believed by some. That when god teleported humans across the entire planet during the tower of babel. that he did not just stick a pure white man in the desert. But gave that white man black skin so he would fare better.. or the opposite.
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One of the well know facts about cats is that they have scratchy tongues.
These papillae contain keratin, and serve several functions. First, they are used to help rasp and scrape flesh from the bones of their prey. Since the hooks are backward-facing, the papillae also help hold the prey in the cat’s mouth.
Cats have scratchy tongues so they can clean all the meat off fish bones.
- Meat off fish bones would be x
- Scratchy tongues will be y
God created the animals with y to help with x
God gave the cat scratchy tongues so They can get all meat off fish bones
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Mountain goats have special mountain feet that help them climb in mountains.
- Mountains will be x
- Special mountain feet will be y
God created the mountain goat with y because of x
God created the mountain goat with special feet that help with climbing mountains. Because they live in mountains
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Desert animals have little fur
- desert will be x
- little fur will be y
God chose to design the animal with y because of x
God chose to design desert animals with little fur because of the desert
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Winter animals have lots of fur
- Winter will be x
- Lots of fur will be y
God chose to design The animals with y because of x
God chose to design animals with lots of fur because of winter
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@secularmerlin
Fine Jesus did it.God created animal using his very basic common sense.
- He created winter animals with lots of fur
- He created desert animals with little fur.
- He created night animals with night vision
- He created day time animals with normal eyes.
Winter animals did not adapt and grow more fur. They have always had more fur then desert animals. Because god created them that way by useing his common sense.Night time animals have always had night vision. They did not adapt to the darknsess. God created the owl with night vision because he had common sence
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God Creation
Once upon a time there was god and god created things. God created many thing He created animals in the desert and in the snow. God knew that if he stuck an animal in the snow with no fur the animal would freeze.So God created all the animals in the snow with lots of Fur. God knew that if Desert animal had lots of fur. The would burn. So god created desert animals with almost no fur.God takes a nap for thousand of years and wake up to have falseness being said against him. Humans made this theory called evolution. This theory explains why all the animals in the snow have more fur then those in the desert.It is because the animals adapted to there snowy environments so they can keep warm. He also believes that the reason why the animals in the desert have no fur is because they adapted to there environments and they lost it. So they can keep cool
mans creation
Once upon a time there were humans.These humans built houses.The human that lived near
the beach were intelligent they knew that there houses would be flooded if they built them on the beach. So they built them far enough away from the beaches were the houses would not get flooded. another group of people lived in fire country these people two were intelligent. These people knew that wood houses would be destroyed by fire. so the intelligent humans made there houses out of metal. these 2 groups of people started to war against each other and nearly eradicated there entire species. The survivors ran in the jungle and lived in the jungle for thousands of years. Over time they forgot that there ancestors built the houses i listed above. These people believed that the houses were formed naturally and they came up with this crazy theory called housevolution. housevolution explains how the houses were formed naturally. the houses on the beach adapted to there environment so over million of years. the houses were getting all flooded so it housevolved and over millions of years the house moved away from the ocean so it would not get flooded.The housevolution people then move to metal houses and how they housevolved. you see over millions of years the houses were getting destroyed by the fires because it was originally wood so over million of years they housevolved and the houses turned/adapted to metal so that they can survive better in there environment which is fire country. so as a result of this a never ending debate between the housevoluton and creationist began housevolutionist believe that the wood houses evolved to there environment and became metal houses that are able to protect themselves from the wildfires.
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mans creation
Once upon a time there were humans.These humans built houses.The human that lived near
the beach were intelligent they knew that there houses would be flooded if they built them on the beach. So they built them far enough away from the beaches were the houses would not get flooded. another group of people lived in fire country these people two were intelligent. These people knew that wood houses would be destroyed by fire. so the intelligent humans made there houses out of metal. these 2 groups of people started to war against each other and nearly eradicated there entire species. The survivors ran in the jungle and lived in the jungle for thousands of years. Over time they forgot that there ancestors built the houses i listed above. These people believed that the houses were formed naturally and they came up with this crazy theory called housevolution. housevolution explains how the houses were formed naturally. the houses on the beach adapted to there environment so over million of years. the houses were getting all flooded so it housevolved and over millions of years the house moved away from the ocean so it would not get flooded.The housevolution people then move to metal houses and how they housevolved. you see over millions of years the houses were getting destroyed by the fires because it was originally wood so over million of years they housevolved and the houses turned/adapted to metal so that they can survive better in there environment which is fire country. so as a result of this a never ending debate between the housevoluton and creationist began housevolutionist believe that the wood houses evolved to there environment and became metal houses that are able to protect themselves from the wildfires.
gods creation
In the beginning god created animals.God created all the animals .God created the animals in the snow with lots of fur because he had knowledge that they would need freeze during the winter. So He designed the snow animals with more fur . He then then went on and created all the creatures in the desert with no fur or very little fur.Because he had knowledge that deserts are hot and fur is hot. So he designed desert animls without fur. So the creatures in the desert do not get hot.God had animals that lived in both the heat and the snow. So god created the dog to grow more fur during the winter and shed its fur during the summer.God takes a nap to have falseness being said against him. Humans made this theory called evolution. This theory explains why all the animals in the snow have more fur then those in the desert.It is because the animals adapted to there snowy environments so they can keep warm. He also believes that the reason why the animals in the desert have no fur is because they adapted to there environments and they lost it. So they can keep cool. Same with dog but with both.
Just like how the humans created the house in fire country out of metal so it would not burn down. God created the dog to grow more fur during the winter so they can keep warm
the creator must have had knowledge that the dog would be hot during the summer so he applied this knowledge and made it so the creature to shed its fur during the summer.
Smart humans have knowledge that building a house on a beach is not smart because of flooding so they applied this knowledge and build a house away from the water.
Humans in fire country have knowledge that wood houses are flammable so they applied this knowledge and made there houses out of metals
The creator of the mountain goat gave the goat special feet that make it easier to mountain climb..because he knew it would need them because they live in the mountains
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you guys are not understanding. I will try another way to explain it. But it will be corny
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@secularmerlin
There is no reason why he would make the dog and not the snow. It is only logical for him to make both.
"Before we continue perhaps you should tell me which god(s) are under discussion here."
I am trying to establish that there is a God. Then establish that the God is Jesus.
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@secularmerlin
Sorry for the late reply i did not see your post
surely this god could have made hairless dogs and not winter.
yes he could have just created the dog and not winter. he could have created the winter and not the dog.But would it not be nice to have both. God created the dog to grow more fur during the winter so the dog could survive the winter.God created it in a way so he can have both
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@secularmerlin
No i see how something is And say that thing was made a certain way because he had knowledge of this.
I see that dogs Shed there fur during the summer. He must have made the choice to design them that way because he had knowledge that dogs would be hot during the summer.
My plants are brought inside for the winter. I made the choice to bring them inside because i had knowledge that they would die from cold during the winter.
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@Harikrish
Some Chimps are better at climbing then humans. Some humans are better at climbing then chimps. Same logic with the cognitive skills
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@Stronn
Why would an entire species of dog die out because They have a little more fur then usual. I don't think that a dog would die because it does not have the ability to shed it's fur
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definition of intelligence
intelligence
According to the definition of intelligence applying knowledge is something only an intelligent being can do. I will list an example of me applying knowledge then list a example of god applying knowledge.
My example
I have knowledge that plants die during the winter time. So i apply this knowledge and bring in my plants indoors so they do not die in the cold.
Gods example.
God has knowledge that dogs would be hot during the summer. So he applied this knowledge and designed the dogs to shed it's fur during the summer
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Stop lying to people. There not going to make you rich for free. They may say free but there is always a price.
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@Barney
Thank you. You made my day.Sorry if have ever said anything mean
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meat does not clog your arteries. heart disease is caused by clog arteries that is all
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if you type what reverses heart disease a bunch of plants show up. if you type what causes heart disease meat shows up because of the false fat is bad for you notion. that i do not agree with. if your talking omega 3 fatty acid in salmon. that could reverse heart disease and such. but it is in plants like walnuts
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