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@Greyparrot
And the uber rich 1% who pay even less tax.
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@Greyparrot
You must mean those socialist scandinavian countries that you claim have failed due to socialism. Don't know anything do you?
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@PGA2.0
How do you know it even exists, this is not a generic you it is you the golfer, how do you know this growth exists?If it is human and it is alive
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wanna cracker, wanna cracker
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@Mopac
As a nihilist, the only time you claim to believe in something is if you can feign belief in order to sow doubt in another's mind about their beliefs.
Still projecting little one, you really are the most dishonest poster here.
Like for example, believing that I admitted something I didn't.
Then answer the many questions I've asked you instead of projecting your erroneous beliefs onto me. Here's your chance.
Prove that someone called St John the theologian wrote this.
You are like a characature of wickedness. Mindless and insipid. Without hope. A dog. A swine. An overall worthless person.
Prove it.
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Go back to wherever you were, you lost just by turning up here. How are the god worlds at the moment is the purple one still the prettiest? bwuahahahahahahahahahahah. I know you like that one because it has a homosexual god.bwuahahahahahahaha
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@Mopac
I asked first, you put up or shut up, coward.
But just for giggles the answer is me because your ultimate reality is a figment of your imagination and I exist.
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@Mopac
Hey numpty I've never said that so who are you talking about?
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@ludofl3x
Hey mate this entire thread is proof beyond doubt that these godists are incapable of independent thought. If it isn't in their indoctrinated dogma it can't penetrate what they pretend to think with.
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@Mopac
Thank you for admitting that the passage was not written by some john the bludger but by an IPSS as is the entire book.
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You are the easiest of pickings numby but you are even more annoying than the moron mop.
Don't respond to me when you have me blocked you nincompoop hypocrite.
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@Mopac
The Truth is God.
Prove it.
And you are still projecting your beliefs onto me, not very honest are you, in fact you are completely dishonest.
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@Mopac
Prove that someone called St John the theologian wrote this."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God.All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
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ETFOOL
Oh please mean it, the kindergarten has been much better without you.If you don't want to discuss this from this angle fine, bye bye.
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@Mopac
I don't respect you as an authority on the subject. You are, after all, identifying as an atheist, which means that your stated position is that you don't believe there is an Ultimate Reality.
Once again the ignorance of the theist appears in 20' neon lights. Atheism has nothing to do with your ultimate reality and I suspect nothing else does either.
Really, that undermines everything you say, because it means you don't believe in anything you say.
Your insistence on projecting your beliefs onto others is well known and always rejected for it's lack of TRUTH
Whether or not you believe this or not is irrelevant. This is your stated position. At this point, you should know better. Since you are not correcting yourself, it leads me to believe that sincerity is not as important to you as your pride.
It is completely your stated position, not anyone else's. Your insistence on lying about what others say and believe is most assuredly proof of your total lack of sicerity.
I am not asking you to say you are a Christian. But at the very leadt, you do believe God exists, which means you are not an atheist. If you disagree, I'm not interested in your semantic fumblings.
News flash for the permanently bewildered, atheists don't believe in any of your gods and you seem to have a plethora.
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@Mopac
Of course rejecting your morality that demands that infanticide is right and just is far from arbitrary, it is in fact very specific and proof that my morality is far greater than the morality of the IPSS that you espouse.
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@Mopac
Loving God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. The first commandment and greatest commandment.And the second is like it. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Where does that come from? Recognizing that we were created in the image of God. To love others is to love God.
After you have complied with the first commandment What will you love your neighbour with?
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@Mopac
Please explain?No, it is pretty obvious to this one here that sin is very influntial in the motivations of the ungodly, even to the point of being the primary motivation.
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@Mopac
Of course, though I doubt I could convince an epistemological nihilist that anything is correct or true.
I doubt you could CONVINCE anyone that water is wet, based entirely on your performance on these boards.
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@Mopac
And that is why Jesus says"To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables."
Who is it that purports that this is a quote from Jesus and how would they know?
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@Tradesecret
hi disgusted, sorry this topic has so upset you.
?????????????????
It is no lie to say that Atheists often use the old arguments - that I summarised in the op.
You meant to say some atheists.
Richard Dawkins is a prime example. Many others - and I dare say you have too (at least if you are honest with yourself).
Is Richard Dawkins someone important to you? And once again your accusations are untrue, that's what makes you a congenital liar.
Atheists like any other group or groups in this world are full of people who like to think they are unique and individual and no one can work them out.
nd this unsupportable brain fart is just another of your lies. It's an absolute fact that I've never been exposed to a theist who had any understanding of atheism.
Atheists in general have a common worldview - that is distinct from other groups in general.
Nice disingenuous copout to finish on.
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@Tradesecret
According to the IPSS book the god of that book created evil.
The IPSS from whom you get your morality have an always changing standard of morality lower than a snakes belly.
In future just post your own idiocy and don't pretend it comes from atheists.
What, in my post, could possibly convince you that I was upset. Other than projection of course.
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@Mopac
If you didn't continually sin you wouldn't need to spend your life repenting and your repentance is obviously not genuine.
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@Mopac
I see you are still incapable of responding to any and all posts.
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@Mopac
Maybe you don't understand where I am coming from.
You're as deep as a car park puddle, we know where you're coming from.
An atheist tends to be a polytheist in denial.
Do you see what I mean about the puddle? An atheist denies just one more god than you deny, I'm 100% atheist and you are 99% atheist.
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@Tradesecret
Which atheist?
If you start with lies why would anyone believe you. You have no idea what atheists think and as an atheist neither do I, I do know what I think and that is that you are a proven liar.
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Hey maddy, piss poor block
What do your fellow inmates think?
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Hey maddy, piss poor block.
Well you got that wrong, but never mind.
Ludo set the rules, only an idiot trys to change the rules of an already established hypothetical experiment and then agrees with himself.
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@Greyparrot
You have enormous problems understanding words don't you?
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Hey wannacracker
Here's a newt's left nut you might need.
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@Mopac
Changing what you claim only confirms that you are a liar. Run along now.
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@Mopac
So your claim that the bible interprets itself is in fact the lie and your other claim is the truth. Why then do you make both claims and then demand that people accept what you say is the truth?
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@PGA2.0
I would argue precisely because we are made in the image and likeness of God,
Who makes that claim and how would s/he know such a thing?
thus we get it right when we think His thoughts after Him.
God thought up space exploration first he just felt that banning people from cooking a baby goat in it's mothers milk was more important. I see.
Prove to me that it is untrue, that God has not spoken,
Well we know from the christians that whatever is quoted in the book as god's words most certainly are not god's words, don't we.
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@Mopac
They are both your claims.
1> the bible interprets itself.2> the Church is the rightful interpreter of the bible
Which claim is true?
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@ludofl3x
This is less than genuine. I'm not trying to fall into the trap of arguing god's morality because he doesn't exist, but for real now. From Exodus: "And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them;" Could he not have simply softened Pharaoh's heart?
If he'd done that he would have forgone the pleasures of one of his favourite pastimes INFANTICIDE.
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@ludofl3x
You can't expect witchy to explain what are essentially no-brain farts
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Commandment #14 of the revised and unabridged 10 commandments says not to cook a baby goat in it's mother's milk, I have always abided by that commandment.
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@keithprosser
Why did you address this to me?It is human nature to think...........
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@Mopac
I know that in the past you have claimed that the bible interprets itself, no I won't look it up you just have to accept that I'm telling the truth as you demand for yourself.The Church is the rightful interpreter of the bible,
So once again you have two contradictory claims, which one is true.
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@Tradesecret
Although I am not sure that I agree with thinking it is intriguing. subjective morality - but no objective morality - yet you think rape is bad and you really want your view to prevail. sounds to me like intuitively you know it is objective but can't figure out how to get there.
Of course if rape was objectively wrong then it wouldn't exist because everyone would know that it was wrong.
I would take the view that without God there is only subjective morality.
And that is why only subjective morality exists. Your morality is totally subject to your choice of the morals created by the IPSS.
God tells us rape is wrong.
He most certainly does not, he encourages it and even encourages rape of the prepubescent. Read your bible,HONESTLY. "take them for your own"
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@Tradesecret
Oh dear, you haven't supplied any verses to support your assertions.
God is holy. God is totally justified in being upset with sin.
The sin that he created as the cornerstone of his plan.
. The fact that God continues to deal with humanity despite their rejection of him is staggering.
Even though it is all a part of his plan.
Remember God made the world and he made it very good.
No he didn't he made it in the full knowledge that he was creating sin in order to make the earth a hellhole under his command.
It was man who sinned. We cant blame God for that -
It was his plan for man to do so, you can blame your god for that, read your bible and stop lying.
even though it may well have been part of his hidden will which cannot be prevented from happening.
Thanks for your agreement.
We don't blame Tolkien for what the golem does even though Tolkien knew what was going to happen.
Your comparison with a human is not helpful because God is not a human
But I agree with comparing works of fiction and Tolkien is far superior to your IPSS.
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@Tradesecret
When you ask mum for something
Your comparison with a human is not helpful because God is not a human
Oh dear, the hypocrisy.
I've said that for years but godists still insist on doing it.
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@Mopac
Describe the most perfect image of the truth.
You know! the one you see.
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@Greyparrot
Strikers deserve to get beaten up and thrown in jail
Nice and safe in his middle class capitalist cocoon he is oblivious to reality.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.[ M.Niemoller]
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@keithprosser
How very fucking RUDE keith, you compare a brain damaged earthworm to a genius.Sarah palin is michael palin in drag.
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@Tradesecret
Why do you need bible verses when you know the bible so well, you know very well that everything I say can be found in the bible and even in your head.
Look what you said:
sacrifice was in fact the very one who - God whom required it in the first place.
But of course it wasn't is was the "human" Jesus the only human pure enough to be sacrificed. God required it, god commanded it, god wouldn't change his unjust punishment if he didn't get it, the sacrifice saved your pathetic afterlife, god commanded it and you are a congenital liar for continually changing your story.
Look
I never said one man attending our church makes its the real church
LIE
But for your priest to come to my church - is an acknowledgement that our church is a true church.
No answer to this?
Does your god know all that he needs to know?OrDoes he know all things that can be known.The two statements are contradictory, you godists get all tied up trying to explain your contradictory beliefs.
Allegedly Jesus came to turn the other cheek and to reject the eye for an eye and tooth for tooth. Which as usual makes this next quote a lie.
He holds to the justice - of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
what arguments from the bible?
Your god sees them in hell before he creates them
God sees you in hell before he creates you can your much vaunted free will change that and prove your god wrong? I
Allegedly Jesus came to turn the other cheek and to reject the eye for an eye and tooth for tooth
We are discussing your god's evil nature as demonstrated by his creation of billions of souls just so he can torture them for eternity
This is what your bible teaches, the fact that you don't understand this is demonstrated by this lie.
Jesus never came to reject an eye for an eye
And now you want to quantify how much human sacrifice your god ordered
What you have failed to show that the God of Israel ever promoted or sanctioned human sacrifice - the same kind that we see on such a scale in religions that practise such.
If you need me to quote the bible when you acknowledge my claims come directly from the bible then you are just totally dishonest.
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@Mharman
When do you think you'll eventually graduate kindergarten?
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@Outplayz
But more likely intellect and an awareness of reality.
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