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@Earth
Yes. By default it only shows prepared spells. If you click the icon in the top right of the spell list window, it should show all your known spells.
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@Earth
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@Type1
Crazy attracts crazy.
Personally I'm avoiding your debates because, frankly, you don't debate well. Your formatting needs improvement and you too readily delve into insults and derogatory comments.
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@ravensjt
Choices:
Background
You get a bonus language
Two skills from: arcana, deception, insight, intimidation, persuasion, religion
Equipment: light crossbow or any simple weapon; component pouch or arcane focus; dungeoneer's pack or explorer's pack
Spells: Four cantrips, 2 1st level sorcerer spells
Sorcerous Origin
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Your current stats of 16 14 15 13 9 11 are good. You want high strength and high con as a melee fighter. If anything I would recommend swapping your int with wis.
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Oooh, a fifth 💯 welcome to the grave 👏
Fixed that for you.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
@ravensjt
TheDredPriateRoberts
Couple of other choices:
Bonus Language?
What martial weapon do you want?
Sure! Just read through the thread and let me know what your character choices are.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
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@Buddamoose
Not sure how that happened. I must have been gotten distracted by someone else's stat line. Should be fixed now.
str 10
dex 15
con 13
int 14
wis 08
char 15
(+2 Int for Gnome, +1 Dex for Forest Gnome subtype)
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@Buddamoose
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@Greyparrot
It's all about dosage. The flouride in toothpaste is in much higher concentrations than that in water.
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@secularmerlin
@Earth
Earth:
Can I learn exotic languages?
Yes.
secularmerlin:
Fixed
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@secularmerlin
@Earth
Earth:
Imagine if I use Mage Hand to raise a metal bar above my head. Would I then be able to climb up the bar in any way?
The hand can only support 10 pounds. So if your weight plus the bar is somehow 10 pounds or less, yes.
Question: Your background gets you two bonus languages:
secularmerlin:
Your character sheet is ready for review:
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@Analgesic.Spectre
And if we don't agree that those are indicators of intelligence?In fact, I.Q. predicts income and educational achievement (things which, I hope we can agree, are indicators of intelligence)Not only that, but I.Q. is the best predictor of educational level, occupational level and income level (again, more indications of intelligence).
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@secularmerlin
From your Knowledge Domain you get two bonus languages:
You also get two skills from: arcana, history, nature, or religion
And you get a third of any skill that you haven't already taken
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@Buddamoose
Since you get Performance from your background, you can get an additional skill proficiency.
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@secularmerlin
@Earth
@TheDredPriateRoberts
Also, do you guys want to name your characters?
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@secularmerlin
@Earth
Earth:
Does Wizards attack stat/magic run off of INT?
Yes. It increases your to-hit change with attack spells and increases the difficulty in saving against your save spells.
Also, I'm thinking of a Ranger build, tips?
For the Ranger thing. In 5e the classes are pretty well balanced. "What class is better" is a question that is invariably followed up with "Better at what?" So my question to you is: what is it you want your character to be good at? This is especially important with 5e's class archetypes. The only bad thing about Ranger I've heard is that the Beastmaster archetype really isn't that good, but the others seem swell:
Compare and Contrast:
Rangers have less and weaker spell casting, more favored toward enhancing their ability to survive in the wilderness and do damage from range. Their spellcasting is tied off of Wisdom.
secularmerlin:
Cleric of Zud the indecisive. He takes my indecision onto himself that I may act decisively.
Yeah, that is interesting. Knowledge might be good. Trickery might be a good choice, as your abilities can invoke "indecision" into others. (e.g. you create duplicates of yourself, which one do they attack?)
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@secularmerlin
@Earth
Earth:
Does Fog Cloud hinder accuracy?
Fog Cloud makes the affected area heavily obscured which blocks line of sight. You can't see into, through, or out of it. Characters in it are effectively blind.
secularmerlin:
none seems quite right for what I have in mind.
What did you have in mind?
Is it too late to change my class? I might reroll, though I might just go with my wizard.
Not at all! In fact, each player is allowed a single full or partial re-roll up to level 5. After that you're locked in.
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@Vader
Sure, I wouldn't mind helping out.
I do have experience in this area:
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@secularmerlin
@Buddamoose
@Earth
@TheDredPriateRoberts
Summary so far, and Choices
Firstly, everyone needs to choose a background:
Earth
Half-Elf Wizard
8 10 14 15 12 15
Choices:
+1 to any two non-Charisma abilities.
Proficiency in any two skills.
A bonus language (you already know Common and Elvish)
Proficiency in two skills from: arcana, history, insight, investigation, medicine, religion.
Equipment: quarterstaff or dagger; component pouch or arcane focus; scholar's pack or explorer's pack
Three Wizard cantrips
6 1st Level Wizard Spells
Languages: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Languages
Equipment Packs: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Adventuring_Gear#Equipment_Packs
Wizard Spells: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Wizard_Spells
secularmerlin
Half-Orc Cleric
10 10 15 13 15 12
Choices:
Proficiency in two skills from: history, insight, medicine, persuasion, religion
Equipment: mace or warhammer (if proficient); scale mail, leather armor, or chain mail (if proficient); light crossbow or any simple weapon; priest's pack or explorer's pack
Three Cleric cantrips
Divine Domain
Equipment Packs: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Adventuring_Gear#Equipment_Packs
Cleric Spells: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Cleric_Spells
Divine Domain: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Cleric#Divine_Domain
Buddamoose
Forest Gnome Bard
12 15 13 10 10 15
Choices:
Proficiency in any three skills
Equipment: Rapier, longsword, or any simple weapon; diplomat's pack or entertainer's pack; lute or any other musical instrument
Two Bard cantrips
Four 1st level Bard Spells
Equipment Packs: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Adventuring_Gear#Equipment_Packs
Bard Spells: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Bard_Spells
TheDredPriateRoberts
Human Fighter
16 14 15 13 9 11
Choices:
Proficiency in two from: acrobatics, animal handling, athletics, history, insight, intimidation, perception, or survival
Equipment: chain mail or leather armor + longbow; any martial weapon and a shield or two martial weapons; a light crossbow or two handaxes, a dungeoneer's pack or an explorer's pack
Fighting Style
Equipment Packs: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Adventuring_Gear#Equipment_Packs
Fighting Style: http://dnd5e.wikia.com/wiki/Fighter#Fighting_Style
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@Buddamoose
They do. I'll do a bigger post tonight collating all the info.
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@secularmerlin
We're not rolling for stats, we're using the standard array (15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8; before racial bonuses). You can put those stats to any ability.
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More Notes:
I'll be doing milestone leveling, so don't worry about XP. You'll advance in level when we hit certain story milestones.
For planning purposes, we will be going from level 1 to level 10.
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@ethang5
How do you tell someone, "It made me cry" in an "intolerant" manner? And who decides intolerant?
No one "decides" it. It is intolerant if it meets the definition of intolerant.
Ah. The feelings are now bigoted eh?
Nope, I was talking about the specific expressions of feelings that you brought up (ranting to your wife). This is why I came into this conversation worried about a slippery slope. You had already talked about expressing your revulsion (post #8) before I even came into this conversation (post #12). Though you claim only to be talking about the feeling, you keep switching over to expressions. It was you who brought up things like involuntary responses. It was you who brought up voluntary expressions in private.
So if this isn't about expressions, then why do you keep bringing up specific examples of expressions and asking questions about them? I've already answered the question regarding only the emotional state, so what more is there to talk about if we aren't talking about the expressions?
Ah, you are looking for illegalities, not immoralities.
I'm looking for neither. I'm making neither a legal nor moral judgement here.
You are confused. Telling someone you are going to kill them is not expressing an emotion, that is expressing an intention.
I disagree. The desire to kill someone is an emotional state.
Telling about how one felt cannot be illegal, not in any country with the rule of law anyway. And I fail to see how an emotion that doesn't make one a bigot, can suddenly make one a bigot simply when the person says, "I had so and so emotion".
The same way thinking something unkind about a person doesn't make you mean. Telling it to their face can, however.
If your point is that a bigot can also have the same emotion, no one has contradicted that. I suspect you do not personally believe anyone can feel revulsion at the homosexual act and not also be a bigot.Can you deny that?
Sure. I already said having the internal feeling only doesn't make you a bigot: "I don't think a passive feeling makes a person a bigot." (Post #29)
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@keithprosser
Really? Just those two ways? What about...
3 - "Good for you, man."
4 - *shrug*
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More DM Notes:
Don't forget names and backgrounds.
Alignments are not really an issue as they don't factor into 5e that much, mechanically. The "No Evil Alignments" is probably better stated as "Don't be that guy." This is a coop game for the players, so please keep that in mind.
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If it is involuntary, then the person has no moral judgement to answer for.
Sure. I don't know what that has to do with bigotry, but sure.
So, again, what are we talking about? Are we talking about only the internalized feeling of emotion, or are we including the outward expressions of emotion?Why would we exclude the involuntary action the emotion may cause?
You tell me. Are we talking about only the internalized feeling of emotion (like you said), or are we including the outward expressions of emotion?
And how does expressing the emotion in confidence change the situation?
Once you start expressing these feelings in an intolerant manner, then we can start delving into bigotry territory. Whether or not you express your bigoted feelings in private doesn't make them not bigoted.
If for example, an emotion makes me cry, why would we need to separate the emotion from the crying?
I believe this only really applies to small children, not grown adults.
If the emotion itself does not make one a bigot, how does telling someone about the emotion do that?
Because thinking and acting are two different things. Thinking about killing someone isn't illegal. Telling someone you are going to kill them can be.
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DM Notes:
Don't worry about food or water. Not going to track that. Same with non-magical ammunition.
Adding this thread to favorites would probably be a good idea. I might always tag everyone in applicable posts.
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@secularmerlin
@TheDredPriateRoberts
@secularmerlin:
Don't worry about not having books.
A free subset of the rules is available here:
Which has elf, human, dwarf rules for races, and cleric, fighter, rogue, and wizard for classes.
I've also found this wiki (http://engl393-dnd5th.wikia.com/wiki/) to be immensely useful.
@TheDredPriateRoberts:
+1 to each score for baseline human, yes.
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@secularmerlin
@Buddamoose
@Earth
@TheDredPriateRoberts
Alright, looks like we have our player list.
Players:
1. Earth
2. Secularmerlin
3. Buddamoose
4. TheDredPriateRoberts
To restate. The expected level of behavior will be at least 1-post per day. To keep things moving without being too drawn out, and given the nature of this forum, things will end up being simplified. Admittedly, this is experimental. It may not work, but I think if we all work together, we can do something fun.
This will be under 5e rules. I have all of the rulebooks so your options for character gen are wide open. No homebrew. We are starting at level 1.
Character Creation:
Stats: Standard array. Take 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, and 8 and put them toward any ability you want.
Races: Aarakocra, Aasimar, Bugbear, Deep Gnome, Dragonborn, Dwarf, Elf, Firbolg, Genasi, Gith, Gnome, Goblin, Goliath, Halfling, Half-Elf (+variant), Half-Orc, Hobgoblin, Human (+variant), Kenku, Kobold, Lizardfolk, Orc, Tabaxi, Tiefling, Tortle, Triton, Yuani-Ti Pureblood.
Classes: Barbarian, Bard, Cleric, Druid, Fighter, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Sorcerer, Wizard, Warlock
No evil alignments.
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@Buddamoose
Yes, I'll walk everyone through the process here and will be using DiceCloud for an "authoritative" place for them.
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@ethang5
An internal feeling can cause an involuntary frown, gasp, shout, or trembling. One could also express his revulsion to say, his wife in the privacy of his home.
I agree! An internal feeling can cause an outward expression, even an involuntary one (though usually mature adults are able to maintain composure). And people can make voluntary outward expressions to a private audience in a private setting.
So, again, what are we talking about? Are we talking about only the internalized feeling of emotion, or are we including the outward expressions of emotion?
The question is, does that feeling of revulsion make one a bigot?
I don't think a passive feeling makes a person a bigot. But here is the thing: every time we appear to be settled on the passive, internal side of the equation, you start sneaking expressing that emotion. Once we start making outward expressions, the answer changes. My real question is: if we aren't talking about the outward expressions, why do you keep bringing them up?
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Your question is curious, cause I only spoke about a completely passive, internalized emotional feeling. Why would I need to clarify things I did not say or imply?
I disagree that revulsion and repulsion are limited internalized emotional feelings. They can be, sure, but based on the use of the words alone, some sort of reaction, or outward expression of that emotion is certainly within their meanings, especially when you later say:
"expression of revulsion"
I don't see how an expression can be passive or internalized. If it's internal, what are you expressing?
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@ethang5
Instead of snark, it'd be better to expand on what you mean. Are you talking about a completely passive, internalized emotional feeling or are you talking about reacting to and acting upon that feeling for this scenario?
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, no argument there.
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@ethang5
I don't recall issuing a charge of bigotry at you. But whatever nails you want to attach yourself to that cross, go for it.
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@Castin
Really?
ethang5: "any expression of revulsion at homosexual" (Emphasis mine).
I'll also note that both "revulsion" and "repulsion" are, historically, action words. While I don't discount there being a completely internalized and passive feeling of revulsion or repulsion, we also ignore the fact that there is commonly an outward element to these words as well. Compare and contrast with similar emotions of "disgust".
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I smell a slippery slope here. "Repulsion" can, colloquially cover a lot of ground.
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@Greyparrot
I'm just glad CNN still isn't reporting on the MH370 crash.
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@spacetime
Differences in income and job performance would, by definition, play a role in the creation of socioeconomic disparities...
Is that a statement explicitly called out in the book, or your own inference?
Even if it's true that the book contains some inaccurate information, that doesn't provide a rational basis for one to assume that Murray is a racist.
No, but we're talking about whether or not it's reasonable to be critical of the use of racial disparities in IQ specifically in the sense of it being disparaging toward race. If noted scientists and philosophers can look at this book and judge in in that vein then I really don't see where we can rule out such criticism as completely unfounded.
I honestly don't see how you can infer from what she wrote that she's a racist. Nothing she said indicated any sort of hostility towards black people.
Like I said, balance of probabilities. Few people trudge out that "fact" unless it's part over some overall racist worldview. Listen, if I see a person wearing a white robe with a pointed hood and mask, I'm thinking KKK, not Spanish Easter Penitents.
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@spacetime
Couple of things:
1. I don't have the book and can't read it. So what I say is glossed from online reviews and summaries, so feel free to correct. But the book doesn't appear to be saying that IQ -> socioeconomic disaprity, but rather IQ -> other factors (income, job performance, etc.) instead of socioeconomic disparities.
2. The book has been criticized for its use of "race science" and rather controversial sources for some of its information.
3. Let's be honest. Is this what you really think the OP is doing here? Balance of probabilities.
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@spacetime
Right, exactly. I want you to show me an example of someone impartially considering IQ disparity as a causal factor of massive socioeconomic disparity.
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@Buddamoose
Again, Cohen == Trump.
I'm not saying they are. I never said they are. Why do you keep repeating this point, what, exactly, are you responding to?
But again, when it comes to Trump, any potential violation of his would fall under disclosure laws, if even deemed to be a campaign expenditure and not personal.
I just don't think anyone that isn't the prosecutor is in a position to talk knowledgeable about what the potential violations of Trump are.
Trump, the individual who was the candidate of the campaign, can give as much as he wants to his own campaign, with zero limitations. Its not possible in other words, to charge Trump with excessive contribution, any violation is necessarily one of lack of disclosure.
Do you have a citation for this? I don't see where in the act it exempts the candidate themselves from these requirements.
The same type of crime committed by the Obama campaign. One that resulted in zero jail time for any individual within the campaign, and but a fine of 370k, which as is the usual case, was a fine that hasnt been wholly enforced 🤔
The determining factor is not what specific elements of the act they break, but their knowingness and willingness (https://www.justice.gov/criminal/file/1029066/download, page 4). There is no stipulation, for example, that says section X is a civil penalty whereas section Y is a criminal penalty.
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