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Chris is the most confirmed scum at the moment from an objective town POV. He should be today's lynch.
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@Vader
On the off chance that we are in the dumbest timeline and you're town, that's all on you and your inane behavior this entire game.
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There are 2 scum left. If Chris was town, that would be two scum among Danielle, Speed, Supa, and Myself. All four of these people have spoke and did not quick-hammer Chris for the automatic win.
Chris is scum or scum is dumb
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Everyone except Chris has spoken. And he wasn't quick hammered by maf for the ez win.
Chris is deffo maf
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@Vader
Even though you're right (finally), you don't get an opinion for the rest of the game.
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@Speedrace
I'm fairly certain it's Supa and Chris, but Chris is unclaimed. He needs to claim.
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Nobody likes to see a stupid guy wise up.
I feel attacked.
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@Speedrace
Supa literally just does not read. Two third parties is not an option in this game. It's impossible.
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@whiteflame
Lol. You're not the seer. If you were you wouldn't have helped lynch Elminster. If you were seer you'd have lied about being seer.
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@MisterChris
How would that make it certain? Wf claims the results were manipulated. If you don't believe me, you won't believe the cop.
We have to vote today, so it's me or whiteflame
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@MisterChris
They do have something to hide: who they are so they aren't killed or roleblocked by mafia.
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@whiteflame
It's lylo. This is when all cards get put out on the table.
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For the record, I'm claiming to be in a PM with the cop. Three possibilities:
1. I'm lying and there is no cop on the game despite a miller.
2. I'm lying and the real has chosen not to out.
3. I'm not lying.
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@whiteflame
If you want anyone else to believe this "manipulated" results nonsense, you'll have to claim first.
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@whiteflame
Your refusal to claim isn't doing you any favors
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@whiteflame
You're floundering. Your claim was that it's more likely that the results have been manipulated. It's not. It's half as likely. That is a significant difference.
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@Danielle
@Barney
@Speedrace
@MisterChris
Need backup here
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@whiteflame
Given the almost 50/50 split, it's about twice as likely that you're actually scum than you are innocent and were targeted by misinformation roles.
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@whiteflame
RE: two guilties in a row:
https://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/16738/1/#597911
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@whiteflame
The odds of two guilties in a row is greater than the odds of getting a guilty then a fake guilty on exactly the same person mafia targeted for misinformation. Mathematically your scenario is less likely.
And you claim because there is a guilty result on you.
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@Vader
Then why hasn't the real cop stepped up to say they weren't recruited by me?
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@whiteflame
You forgot the third option that were just that good.
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@Vader
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I already explained the situation. Reread last DP.
What's your issue with it?
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@Vader
No cop has stepped up to CC me. So unless you think there isn't a cop in the game at all with a miller you better rescrew your head on.
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I wouldn't be surprised if maf thought pie was my partner and assumed I'd be watched or protected. If that's the case that puts an fos on supa
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Depending on the results from my partner, I'd be inclined to push for a mass full claim given that it is LYLO. We will need maximal information to proceed.
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None. The person I am mason with has not revealed them to me yet.
I did not recruit anyone because I am not the kind of mason that can only recruit town. I'm more on the "neighbor" side in that I can recruit anyone, so the affiliation of my recruits is not confirmed. I trust the person I recruited based on my own intuition. Their claim and behavior lines up. It could be a fantastic ploy that happened to get lucky with a guilty on a third (I confirmed with TUF that thirds investigate as guilty).
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@Vader
So appearently Drafter is a mason recruiter, paired with a cop. Got a guilty on Mikal for third party. That's interesting. The only scenario I could see is that drafter lied about being a mason recruiter and the cop he "recruited" was a role cop and he knew Mikal was a third party.
How about the scenario that I'm actually mason recruiter actually pair with a cop that actually got guilty results on Mikal for third party. Is that a scenario you could see? Dude, I tried to hand-hold you all throughout last DP to show you how you're thinking is askew but I only have so much patience.
It kinda throws me off why he claimed so late that it happened, but it makes sense why he was so gun hoe on Elm with very little evidence
Because I didn't have "very little evidence." And I claimed late because the ideal situation would have been to get Elminster lynched based on his behavior and have to out a role or results. But you were too inside your own head that you couldn't see anything other than... well I don't really know.
I claimed because I had to to save your ass. Elm got the vote count wrong and was trying to kill you. And even without his ability, you were well on your way to getting lynched.
No need to thank me.
Also the only thing bugging me is why drafter didn't say what he said in beginning of DP2 versus the end
Like... you've played this game before. You know how it's played. I mean, white flame understands it. How do you not?
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Well, Supa is on a wagon and the wagon seems to be gaining momentum. I want Elm lynched more than I want Supa lynched because I think Supa is just being short sighted.
I'm Abigail Freemantle, the mason recruiter. Last night I recruited the Cop. I am not going to out the cop or their character to catch a potential CC. Last night, the cop got a guilty on Elm. Elm hasn't CC miller, and the character makes sense as a sane cop (unflavored). That means two possibilities: Elminster is scum or I have scum in my mason PM (I can recruit mafia).
I'll believe the cop claim unless another cop CC's with the same character here, so unless that happens, Elminster is our lynch today.
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@Vader
There is not a change. It's that you and Pie are scum and you are town reading Pie to make him look town to force a lynch on Elm
Dude, what? This whole day you've been throwing a fit about how I've suddenly changed demanding an answer from me for it!
I'm sitting here, not trying to dismiss your argument as bullshit, but trying to show you why it's wrong so you can move on to a better lynch.
But I can't keep up with you. This is the fourth time you've changed your stance. So when you actually decide on an ACTUAL stance, come to me, I'll explain why it's wrong.
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@Vader
You're case is based, in part, because you say there is a change in my stance on Millers between now and a year ago, correct?
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@Vader
You're case is based, in part, because you say there is a change in my stance on Millers between now and a year ago, correct?
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@Vader
I already said why you are scum
What you said doesn't make sense. I'm asking you to make it make sense.
Or if a track/cop/bp/ etc. That's a confirmed scum for all purposes
No it isn't.
I've changed because I have played more games than you have this year, thus I have changed
In this post here:
You were talking about ME. Things *I* said. You said many things can change in a year REFERRING TO ME.
Speed's game?Oh you mean the game where the mod invented a rule just to spite me and I asked to be replaced? That game?Yea that one
That's not a ragequit, lol. That is basically a rage modkill.
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