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I'll say that skittlez early claim is a point in his favor. But a miller should be factored in as a mislynch so I'm not overly worried about being wrong
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@MisterChris
I'm saying that if speed put it in your PM, then it relates to your role. Are you saying this isn't the case for you?
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@Barney
Right, but does your role in this game mention killing? That's my point. It is the specific actions from the show that Speed deigned important enough to include in your role PM that dictates your role. This is my assertion.
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@skittlez09
They would claim miller for the exact reason of your retort: to claim that mafia would never claim miller therefore you aren't mafia. It's called WIFOM.
And generally speaking it isn't a scumming role because most players accept it as face value.
And generally speaking it isn't a scumming role because most players accept it as face value.
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@Vader
I'm not analyzing theme. I'm contrasting his role with the justification. My justification pretty much explicitly defines my role (I did X, therefore I am an X).
His doesn't line up (He did X, therefore he is a Y)
If his role says he kills, then I consider that a strong indicator that he is a killing role.
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Not sure about the show but in the comics he literat had a ninja cult. Lol
Vtl skittlez
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I will say that my character and role strongly tied together. That's is, what my character did in the show is what I do at night.
I'm inclined to interpret a character who is known for killing is a killing role in this game.
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So we're going to accept this Miller claim of somebody that is admittedly a killer?
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One solution is to split prs between two people with one being even night and the other being odd night
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I think each has their place. Role madness is swinging and harder to play, but then again, who wants to be vanilla?
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Sure, I'll do a game before going into hibernation
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@Vader
A solid play would have been to lay low a bit and see what lynch naturally develops and then hammer.
In this specific case, oro provided the alternative with Mharman.
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Current Mafia
Signups
In the Hopper
Crocodile - Jojo Mafia
Speedrace - Arrowverse
Bullish - technology mafia
RM- Pirates of the carribean
Lunatic
SupaDudz - Danny Phantom, Avatar The Last Airbender, My Hero Academia
Bear- Bad Mod
ILikePie5 - The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time
Mharman - Voting: Stage 1
drafterman - Paranoia
On Hold
zaradi, Virtuoso, danielle, PressF4Respect
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If there is one thing you want to consider regarding my game design. I've been playing this game for almost a decade now. The "cop-doc-roleblocker-vanilla" set-up is fine but, to quote Starlord in Guardians of the Galaxy 2: I'm gonna make some weird shit.
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@Danielle
@Mharman
@skittlez09
@Crocodile
SAY WHAT AGAIN
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@Intelligence_06
Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
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Mafia Wins!
Town
oromagi
You are NICK FURY from the MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE.
You are the REINCARNATER. If killed at night, you will self-resurrect at the end of the following Day Phase. If killed during the day (except by lynching), you will self-resurrect at the end of the following Night Phase. Lynching kills you permanently.
You win with the Town.
Intelligence
You are MACE WINDU from STAR WARS.
You are the WATCHER. Each night you may choose another player. You will receive a report of all of the players that visited your target.
You win with the Town.
Crocodile
You are JOHN SHAFT from SHAFT.
You are the COP. Each night you may visit another player. You will receive a report of "Innocent" or "Guilty."
You win with the Town.
Lunatic
You are FROZONE from THE INCREDIBLES.
You are You are the JAILKEEPER. Each night you may visit another player. They may not be targeted by other players and cannot target other players themselves.
You win with the Town.
Danielle
You are RUSSEL FRANKLIN from DEEP BLUE SEA.
You are a VANILLA. You win with the Town.
skittlez
You are ARNOLD from JURASSIC PARK.You are a VANILLA. You win with the Town.
Mharman
You are STAN from TOGETHER FOR DAYS.You are a VANILLA. You win with the Town.
Mafia
Speedrace
You are ELIJAH PRICE from UNBREAKABLE.
You are the STALKER. Each night you may visit another player. You will learn the role of that player.
You win with the Mafia.
SupaDudz
You are RICHMOND VALENTINE from THE KINGSMAN.
You are the ARSONIST. Each night you may visit another player. Players visited are PRIMED. Once per game, during any day phase, you may "ignite" all primed players, causing them to die.
You win with the Mafia.
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Speed and Supa did not share a Mafia PM, meaning they could not coordinate actions. Furthermore, only Speed was aware of Supa (that he was mafia, but not his role), Supa was not made aware of Speed, or that he even had a mafia partner. This balances out the extra killing ability since Supa could accidentally kill his own partner or they could end up killing the same person (as Speed retained the Mafia factional kill). The delayed nature also means that anyone Supa primed could be lynched, reducing his effectiveness.
MVPs
Lunatic and Oro did a good job scum hunting and this game, really, should have been over DP3. Instead Town decided to sheep Supa because they were collectively annoyed with Croc, rather than listening to oro's arguments. Frankly, imo, Supa played DP3 suboptimally - specifically, too aggressively. He needed a single mislynch to secure the win. While he eventually got it, he almost got himself lynched, trying to futilely argue against oro. If Croc was a better player or more active, Supa had provided the Town with the noose to lynch.
It is a shame that Town decided to lynch based on annoyance rather than actual scum reads.
A tip for oro though: don't argue with scum. You aren't going to convince scum to lynch themselves. Instead communicate more with the other townies to lynch scum. Yes, it is important to also communicate with scum to draw their lies out, when it becomes a 1v1 argument, the rest of town tends to tune out.
A Note on Balance
I'll stand by this game being balanced. Mafia had extra killing power but were not coordinated. Town had strong roles. Watcher, Cop, and Reincarnater. JK is normally null, but in this set-up is very powerful. With the split mafia, he could effectively neutralize one or the other completely without them able to do anything about it. The real kicker here is the unexpected nature of the Arson role, which is a role few people would expect.
For anyone still reading this far: BOOKMARK THIS POST. Several people talked about how such and such combination is unbalanced. Personally, I have been quite clear and vocal on this matter: YOU CANNOT DRAW ANY CONCLUSIONS ABOUT BALANCE WITHOUT KNOWING ALL THE ROLES. Looking at two roles and saying they can't be in the game together because that would be OP is bogus because you don't know what other roles exist that could balance it out. You simply don't know until you know what the Mafia can do and you can't know that until you kill them all.
So the next time a player in a game I have designed says something like that, link them to this post.
A Note on Theme
I though it was interesting that people were suggesting the theme had to be something complex. I did not realize that I had a reputation for complex games. The theme here was very simple:
Samuel L. Jackson is bad ass. He is bad ass in whatever he does. Hence: BAMF mafia.
The roles were based on the character. Do-nothing or minor characters were Vanilla. Powerful characters got powerful role. Yes, Mace Windu is a watcher because that's all they did: sit around and watch shit. Fite me.
The Town/Mafia split was a simple protagonist/antagonist split. Good guys were Town, Bad guys were Maf.
Action Summary:
N1
Lunatic JKs Croc
Speed RCs oromagi; kills Lunatic
Supa primes skittlez
Intel watches Lunatic
Croc cops Lunatic (failed)
N2
Supa primes Intelligence
Intelligence watches Supadudz
Croc cops Intel (Innocent)
N3
Supa primes Mharman
Intel watches oromagi
D4
Supa ignites primed players.
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Someone throws a match into the crowd!
skittlez goes up in flames!
You are ARNOLD from JURASSIC PARK.
You are a VANILLA. You win with the Town.
Intelligence goes up in flames!
You are MACE WINDU from STAR WARS.
You are the WATCHER. Each night you may choose another player. You will receive a report of all of the players that visited your target.
You win with the Town.
Mharman goes up in flames!
You are STAN from TOGETHER FOR DAYS.
You are a VANILLA. You win with the Town.
The following players remain alive:
Oromagi
- SupaDudz
- oromagi
THE GAME IS OVER. END GAME THREAD UP SOON. THIS THREAD IS LOCKED.
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@Vader
@Mharman
@oromagi
@skittlez09
@Intelligence_06
I Have Had It With These Motherf*Cking Snakes On This Motherf*Cking Plane!
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All Roles taken from here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_pFVyzYrrc2kkwkX60hMmmTeYrM0bC3LejPCYtLZ9cQ/edit
Lynched Last Phase:
Croc - John Shaft - Cop - Town
Died Last Night:
No One
Graveyard
- Danielle
- Lunatic
- Speed
- Croc
Living Players
- Oromagi
- SupaDudz
- Intelligence_06
- Mharman
- skittlez09
With 5 players, it takes 3 votes to lynch. This DP will end by 11:00 am (EST) on 9/19/2020.
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Croc - 4/4 - Supa, Intel, skittles, Mharman
Croc was lynched!
You are JOHN SHAFT from SHAFT.
You are the COP. Each night you may visit another player. You will receive a report of "Innocent" or "Guilty."
You win with the Town.
The Day Phase is over. Submit your Night actions, ASAP. The Night Phase will end NLT 10:30 AM on 9/19/2020
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED
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@Mharman
@skittlez09
@Crocodile
The idea was to bring together a group of remarkable people, see if they could become something more.
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@Vader
@oromagi
@Intelligence_06
You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master.
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All Roles taken from here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_pFVyzYrrc2kkwkX60hMmmTeYrM0bC3LejPCYtLZ9cQ/edit
Lynched Last Phase:
Speed - Elijah Price - Stalker - Mafia
Died Last Night:
No One
Graveyard
- Danielle
- Lunatic
- Speed
Living Players
- Oromagi
- SupaDudz
- Intelligence_06
- Mharman
- Crocodile
- skittlez09
With 6 players, it takes 4 votes to lynch. This DP will end by 8:30 pm (EST) on 9/19/2020.
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Speed - 4/4 - oro, Supa, Intelligence, skittlez
Supa - 1/4 - Speed
Speed was Lynched!
You are ELIJAH PRICE from UNBREAKABLE.
You are the STALKER. Each night you may visit another player. You will learn the role of that player.
You win with the Mafia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmzbosye2-Y
The Day Phase is over. Submit your Night actions, ASAP. The Night Phase will end NLT 2:30 PM on 9/18/2020
The Day Phase is over. Submit your Night actions, ASAP. The Night Phase will end NLT 2:30 PM on 9/18/2020
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED
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Speed - 4/4 - oro, Supa, Intelligence, skittlez
Supa - 1/4 - Speed
Double checking. You may still talk.
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Speed - 3/4 - oro, Supa, Intelligence
Supa - 1/4 - Speed
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Croc has been pinged. If they do not post by 6:30 pm they will be replaced.
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@Intelligence_06
Encryption is exactly that: encrypting the text using some algorithm and a key. Point is, you are fine with what you did so you can ignore my statement last phase. We can discuss further details in PM or End Game thread.
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@oromagi
@Intelligence_06
SUNFIGHT=Star WarsUSER EYE=WatcherSLJ=Samuel L Jackson
I didn’t read it this way the first time, I just saw a string of characters that looked encrypted. So this is bread crumbing and not encryption, so is allowed.
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As stated last phase, I have updated the activity requirements. You are expected to be active at least once a real-time day or you will be replaced.
If this is something you cannot commit to, let me know and I will replace you.
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@Vader
@Mharman
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@Intelligence_06
You are aware that there's an invention called television, and on this invention they show shows, right?
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All Roles taken from here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_pFVyzYrrc2kkwkX60hMmmTeYrM0bC3LejPCYtLZ9cQ/edit
Lynched Last Phase:
Danielle - Russel Franklin - Vanilla - Town
Died Last Night
Lunatic - Frozone - Jailkeeper - Town
Graveyard
1. Danielle
2. Lunatic
Living Players
- Oromagi
- Speedrace
- SupaDudz
- Intelligence_06
- Mharman
- Crocodile
- skittlez09
With 7 players, it takes 4 votes to lynch. This DP will end by 6:30 pm (EST) on 9/18/2020.
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Danielle - 5/5 - intelligence, oro, Crocodile, Mharman, Speed
Oro - 2/5 - Lunatic, Supa
Danielle was lynched!
You are RUSSEL FRANKLIN from DEEP BLUE SEA.
You are a VANILLA. You win with the Town.
The Night Phase has begun. It will end at 10:30 AM on 9/16/2020 or when all Night Actions have been submitted.
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED
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Danielle - 5/5 - intelligence, oro, Crocodile, Mharman, Speed
Danielle has majority votes to lynch. Double checking vote count before processing.
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Danielle - 3/5 - intelligence, oro, Crocodile
Oro - 3/5 - Lunatic, Supa, Mharman
One Hour Remaining
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Danielle - 3/5 - intelligence, oro, Crocodile
Oro - 2/5 - Lunatic, Supa
Lunatic - 1/5 - speed
2 hours remaining
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Note: Starting next DP, I am going to change the Activity Requirement to being active at least once a day. If you do not feel you can meet this requirement, please let me know so I can enact a replacement.
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Danielle - 3/5 - intelligence, oro, Crocodile
Oro - 2/5 - Lunatic, Supa
Lunatic - 1/5 - speed
Less than 5 hours remaining
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