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@SirAnonymous
It's the latter part of Hamlet's "To be or not to be" soliloquy. Yes, it was originally about death, specifically suicide.
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@SirAnonymous
You are correct. It's copied with a few words changed.
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@SirAnonymous
There is rarely ever much to go on DP1 (except the game where you got lynched DP1, lulz). So it is tantamount to RLing, but I think it's worth the risk in this case.
I mean. WORST CASE SCENARIO. We lost a Miller. Who's weeping tears. Really.
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Thus claims do make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And lynches of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.
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@SirAnonymous
No need to draw it out either. We have several days for DPs to give everyone a chance to weigh in so it meshes with different timezones and personal schedules. This game is fairly active meaning we don't need to use every last millisecond of the phase. There are diminishing returns of information here. Once we're past a certain point, it's just people talking in circles or rehashing the same points over and over again, and I think we're already there.
I'd rather lynch, have a night phase, and spend the next two RL days working with new, fresh information.
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@oromagi
I agree, and I would be happy to lynch among the unclaimed. Problem is, votes usually lead to claims, and claims lead to people hemming and hawing about whether or not it's a valid claim and a general increase in unwillingness to go through with the lynch on the 0.00001% chance the claim is true.
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Holy crap it Worked. I want to add Bullet Proof, Day Vig, and Day Cop to that.
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@Intelligence_06
There is still the open question of why you thought to out that to town.
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@Speedrace
Intel had a good idea. Can I be double-voter instead of my current role? That way I can hammer at L-2.
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@Intelligence_06
Does your role PM explicitly tell you Supa's affiliation?
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@SirAnonymous
That's a wild card for sure. And we really can't anticipate how that will go. If a protective role is on one but the other is killed, what happens? Are they even lovers? Are they even town sided? Will maf try and gamble killing them or save them for a potential mislynch based on the fact that maf hasn't tried killing them?
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With it being (probably) 7-2 then it is better to lynch (even random lynch) than it would be to NL. If we NL, then that puts us in line for MYLO, where we will most likely have to NL again, which is essentially giving the mafia free night kills.
VTL skittlez
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@SirAnonymous
This is a gun-to-your-head situation. Someone has to die. Who?
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@Lunatic
@Barney
@Vader
@SirAnonymous
If you had to lynch someone RN, who would you lynch?
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@Vader
Also, before you were his lover did you have to get with his friends?
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@Vader
How was it about to be L-1 on Intel with only 2 votes?
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Both scum fake claiming town lovers would be a hell of a gambit.
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@Vader
@Intelligence_06
Are you guys lovers and that's it, or does one or both of you have an additional role?
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@oromagi
I could have sworn I saw a "all roles are from drafterman's list" statement but now I can't find one. I'm I just deluded? There are important differences between Drafter's LOVER and MafiaWiki's LOVER
I don't remember seeing such a stipulation.
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Intel and Supa as town lovers is interesting and essentially gives Mafia a free kill/mislynch. It's pretty hard to protect since it's unlikely you'll be able to protect both at the same time.
If both are Town, I question Supa's decision to out it so soon. Intel wasn't anywhere near being lynched and this was clearly a knee jerk reaction.
I doubt they are both Scum, so rule that out.
I don't rule out Supa being a third party and Intel being town or scum. That would put an interesting twist on Supa's play strategy as he only cares about Intel survive, not whether Intel (or his faction wins). Though if Intel is scum it essentially gives them an extra partner as Supa would always be disinclined to let him get lynched meaning Supa can't joint with the Town. Whereas if Intel is Town, Supa can joint with either fact since Mafia doesn't need to kill all townies to win. There is a scenario where it's Intel + Supa + 2 Mafia and Mafia and a Third Party Lover joints. Though that's not a configuration I'd expect to see here.
There is the option that they are both Third Party, essentially joint Survivors. They joint with whoever else wins so long as both survive the game.
5 town 2 thirds and 2 maf is feasible.
But ultimately I have the same problem as I do with the miller claim. It's a claim whose purpose is to deter people from testing it. "Oh no, don't investigate me, I'm the miller. Tee hee."
"On no, don't lynch him, we're town lovers and we'll both die. Tee hee."
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It's funny to say that hammering someone is scummy when the primary tool of town to oust scum is [drum roll] hammering them.
It's like saying using the Mafia Night Kill to kill townies is anti-Mafia.
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@Barney
Depends on implementation but they can be of any alignment
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@Vader
It's not the same. People are usually more willing to vote in general than hammer. Once the vote gets to L-1 they get all jittery and start unvoting.
And itd hardly disprove your logic if I don't hammer and then scum does. I want it to be me precisely to shoot down your logic.
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@Vader
Unvote.
Put him at L-1 and see if I don't hammer.
In fact, I'll hammer the first person to get to L-1 (that isnt me)
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@Intelligence_06
Okay, so you took a typo from an unofficial vote count by another player, "deduced" my rolla and decided it would be best to publicly out that to the rest of the town?
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@Intelligence_06
You're on drugs. I'm not a double voter.
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@Lunatic
Intelligence stands out to me as well, but I’m trying to see if it’s also in line with his sleeping in the last game which he did as town
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I mean, this simple wagon has generated 4 pages worth of responses. Lots of good fodder.
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@MisterChris
This is a non-binary thing. If someone comes out and tells me that they are "killer", then that's a big red flag. But that he came out the bad a few minutes after the game started is probably strong evidence he is telling the truth and Lunatic is right that mafia successfully fake claiming Miller is rare.
But there are some things we can't discount, but I think it is more important to see who latched onto the wagon and why. Did they come up with independent reasoning or just go, "Sure".
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@Lunatic
It does, so it's a shame that I basically have to rather than you recognizing it as a seasoned player. But it has also pretty much served it's purpose as plenty have reacted and responded. I see a lot to work with in this phase so far.
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@Barney
Is Sovitar "misunderstood"? Does that make sense as a character trait to bring out?
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@skittlez09
I'm less concerned with your responses as I am with others in their decision to join or refuse to join the wagon. At worst your collateral damage.
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@skittlez09
still havent explained how that site is different from our site that makes me claiming miller early bad
Why would I explain that? I never said that claiming miller early is bad.
And as a town miller, you should definitely claim it openly and early. But you shouldn't expect it to earn you a free pass.never asked for a free pass, only asking for a good justificationintelligence for example gave no explanation for his vote at all an is making excuses
A good point. Has nothing to do with me, though, but it's a good point. If you think this is enough to start a wagon on him, I encourage you to do so. I might even join it.
But I'm not voting you because you're miller. I'm voting you because the role PM narrative of your character doesnt line up with your actual role.My character was in charge of a cult so if anything it'd make more sense that id be a cult leader
Right but unless Speed included that aspect of your character in your role PM it doesn't matter. My assertion is that only the stuff that Speed put in your PM actually relates to your role. Nothing else about your character from the show matters.
Like my PM said, im broken an misunderstoodlike the character, miller is mistunderstoodthats why he gets a guilty result despite him being innocentim not that familiar with the lore but from what im reading from the wiki it makes sense
I'm less concerned with the "misunderstood" part and more concerned with the "killing" part. TBH, on that basis alone people should be wary of you.
As far as the "misunderstood" part, I think that's a stretch. My role and the justification relate very strongly. However, the killing aspect of your description is something that is rather specific and I would expect your actual role to relate more to that.
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@Lunatic
I anticipated such a response and I doubt you'll find anything convincing in my wagon. Yet I think you can agree that even if the wagon itself has no merit that you can find value in the activity it has generated. How people argue for or against a given wagon can be telling.
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@skittlez09
No, mafia is not mafia everywhere. Each site plays it differently and develops a different culture around it
And as a town miller, you should definitely claim it openly and early. But you shouldn't expect it to earn you a free pass.
But I'm not voting you because you're miller. I'm voting you because the role PM narrative of your character doesnt line up with your actual role.
If you claims, say, doctor with that same narrative, I'd be doing the same thing. That you have claimed miller is irrelevant.
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@skittlez09
That is a wiki for an entirely different site with an entirely different manner of playing mafia.
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