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@Athias
Previously you said:
I did not dodge your question. Notice that I qualified my response by mentioning "coitus with insemination." So yes, if one were to engage coitus with insemination, then one would knowingly risk pregnancy. One would engage an act primarily intended for pregnancy. His not "wanting" to get her pregnant is moot if his actions inform the contrary.
In this example, whose "plans, goals, purposes, and design" are we talking about? The one engaging in coitus?
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@Athias
We're not having this discussion in a common law court room.
I never intended to suggest that we were.
And when used as a noun rather than an adjective, intent is not a state of mind. Intent or intentions or intended alludes to plans, goals, purposes, and design which is relevant and more pertinent to the context of our discussion.
Okay. Whose "plans, goals, purposes, and design" are we talking about here?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
If it doesn't only apply to only to men how can it be male pattern baldness?like most terms it's not accurate, made up etc
All terms are made up. But presumably you don't spend as much time disputing the accuracy of the term "male pattern baldness." I sense a double standard here.
What makes something "dominance" rather than "privilege"?the way I see it, someone takes control, rather than it is given to him.when I think of something that could be male privilege, it would be in a time when women were subservient to men, there was male privilege pre equal rights. Any woman subservient to a man does so by choice and that would be a relationship things most likely.opening doors for women was a way to show respect, manners, etc, not a privilege, men and women are different no matter all the b.s. the leftist try to spin, doesn't mean those differences are privilege.
Then this interrupting phenomenon is a pure example of male privilege as you define it. A person keeping quiet is a voluntary act. We're not talking about men reaching across a table and physically preventing a person from speaking.
So it seems that we have found an example of male privilege, according to criteria you've provided.
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@Speedrace
This is why Miller should only be revealed on death.
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Claims
2. Lunatic - Maria Salazar - Miller
7. Greyparrot - Poison - Messenger
4. DD - Javier Pena - Miller
3. Speed - Pablo Escobar
Unclaimed
1. Drafterman
5. Supa
6. Zaradi
8. Virtuoso
9. WaterPhoenix
10. Bullish
11. Oromagi
12. Singularity
UVC
Lunatic - 1/7 - Bullish
Virtuoso - 1/7 - DD
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@Athias
Intent is a state of mind. Whose state of mind are you talking about, here?
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@Athias
That's not what he asked. Every time I get in my car and drive to work I risk a car accident. That doesn't mean I did so with the intent of getting into one.
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@Lunatic
@Discipulus_Didicit
First person to post the Spanish word for miller doesn't get lynched.
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@Lunatic
I loved the theme, really brought back memories.
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@Speedrace
No, you weren't putting out ideas, you put out a single, very specific idea. There was no reason to choose that specific role PM unless you were intending to push me being scum. Can't have that.
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@Speedrace
Boyo, you go toe to toe with me you gun git lynched.
Don't know what you were thinking digging up that role PM
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Ongoing
Sign-ups
ILikePie5 - Pick 1: Narcos, Riverdale, Bakugan Battle Brawlers
In the Hopper
warren- open setup, likely themeless
Zaradi - Yu-gi-oh! GX
Virtuoso
Bullish (Memes of the 2010's)
SupaDudz- Total Drama Island
drafterman
Discipulus_Didicit - Star Control (no bastard mechanics)
Speedrace
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@Bullish
I stand by that claim, but I think the lesson is, just because a result means it's a bastard game doesn't mean it isn't true. You weigh the possibilities and choose the best case.
In this case, it was a bastard game, lol.
gg everyone.
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Shit, I misremembered water's NP1 results:
VTL Zaradi
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The available scenarios are... not really good.
1. Zaradi is scum. That means there is a miller with no cop. Tantamount to bastard game.
2. Oro is scum. Means maf waived their N1 kill, also waived the Janitor for their N2 kill.
3. Ragnar is scum. But that means SirAnon got a role PM, then looked up old DDO games and grabbed a miller claim in about 30 minutes
The problem with #2 and #3 (and Virt being scum) is that it doesn't account for water's results, and it means that, instead of RBing the doc and killing the cop, they RBed the cop and let the doc potentially stop the NK again.
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@David
Yes, I've heard this tactic.
But...
The trick with providing cover is in figuring out accurate fake peeks...
You didn't do that because you weren't paying attention.
Once you have committed to a fake peek, you have to stick with that peek
You didn't do that either, you basically dropped the charade once called out on it.
The hardest time to maintain cover is when someone claims to be the real seer. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and evaluate the authenticity of that claim
You didn't do that, either. Basically all you did was just drop the fake claim, using a tactic that I don't think anyone ever uses here.
“disguise” your peek as a read.
You didn't do that.
This is just.... sigh
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@Zaradi
I think oro has a habit of saying stuff is scummy based on nothing. He acknowledges he judges scum by poor reasoning but continues to do it for... reasons. So I don't put stock in what he says. I don't think oro has ever led a lynch, ever, so I'm not really too worried.
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I recruited Ragnar. It went through but he has not showed up in the group chat.
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I feel like Mafia is trying to do some galaxy brain nonsense here.
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@oromagi
I think you misunderstood Zaradi, I can recruit scum not that I can *be* scum so it doesn't matter how scummy you think I am, you and bullish confirm my recruitment power.
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Okay, so Virt retracts cop claim meaning Zaradi is unccd.
With a miller, I think it's fairly certain that there is a cop in the game.
Which would make water the liar.
VTL Water.
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Man. I'd really like to know who Pie motivated, because no one seems to have multiple sets of results.
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@David
Before I vote anyone I want to understand why:
1. Virt investigated the miller claim
2. He got an inno on miller
Because if Virt is telling the truth then:
1. Ragnar is lying, meaning Ragnar is scum and Zaradi isn't.
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2. Virt is insane and gets opposite results, meaning it isn't a clear CC of Zaradi.
But a flavored cop would be an odd choice since any flavors would be known.
I would like Virt to full claim.
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if it doesn't only apply only to men how can it be male privilege?
If it doesn't only apply to only to men how can it be male pattern baldness?
how does a male give male privilege? that doesn't make sense to me.
They just... Do? What's so confusing?
how can one know it's male privilege that's going on or it's just because it's that individual male?
Because we've observed more than a single male
sounds like a dominance thing rather than privilege
What makes something "dominance" rather than "privilege"?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Maybe you could describe a Male privilege that may not apply to all males but enough and well known enough that it can be recognized.
My issue is that you keep adding all of these really strict requirements.
1. Has to apply to literally every man.
2. Has to apply to only men.
3. Has to be given to men by men and women.
4. Has to be well known and recognized.
I will concede that, under these very unreasonable requirements, male privilege does not exist.
But the things people are talking about when they talk about male privilege aren't bound by those requirements.
If you want an example? How about the fact that men are given more deference in conversations. They are less likely to be interrupted, more tolerated when they interrupt others. In groups, the conversation will be disproportionately men talking.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
eh it's called female-pattern baldness when it's in females, it effects both sexes.
I'm evaluating this logic that if it includes "male" in the title then it has to apply to ALL men to be valid.
So let's apply that to "male pattern baldness."
It doesn't apply to all men. Ergo you deny it exists at all. True?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
the term "male privilege" by its name refers to all males, I mean it's one of the 2 words.
So to you male pattern baldness doesn’t exist because not every man suffers from it?
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@Dr.Franklin
You let me know when you figure it out, then.
Until then, just remember that nothing you posted has anything to do with the topic of male privilege.
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@Dr.Franklin
If you don't know what we're talking about, what exactly do you think you disproved?
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Again, this idea that "male privilege" means that all men everywhere always have benefits no one else ever has and never experience anything negative is a straw man argument.
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@Dr.Franklin
But all you did was posted bad things happening to men.
If bad things happening to men doesn't disprove male privilege and that's all you posted, then nothing you posted disproves male privilege.
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@Dr.Franklin
You didn't, because nothing you posted has anything to do with male privilege. Again, male privilege doesn't mean "nothing bad ever happens to men."
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
yes some people perceive it to exist, some people think ghosts exist as well hahahain our society we are taught everyone is equal etc, not all individuals act that way though, so from my perspective it's an issue with the individual rather than society.our society says one thing however people can still act as they chose.
Yeah, and male privilege is referring to the "how people act" part not "what society says" part. I think that's the disconnect here.
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@Dr.Franklin
Because none of what you posted has to do with male privilege.
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@WaterPhoenix
But *I* don't know that Zaradi is lying.
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@Bullish
If they stay silent, it's left to random chance. Now it isnt
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@WaterPhoenix
According to you.
According to the MOD, grey is lying. That trumps your claim
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This is why I was against everyone outing everything today. It just distractions.
The only solid thing we have is Grey lying
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Okay, these results are interesting.
They also do nothing to service today's activity.
Grey is confirmed lying about his role and is today's lynch.
We can sort the rest out tomorrow.
VTL Grey
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@David
Do we have multiple cop claims?
Virt you need to out your PM
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@Bullish
So they don't die before town can learn those results.
Except outing results is what makes them a target to begin with.
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If you have results, keep them to yourself and out them next DP. We have our scum for the phase.
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