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I'm vig. I tried to vig Lunatic NP1 but was roleblocked.  I haven't tried since then because I didn't think we could afford it.

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@WaterPhoenix
Aren't you the last one to claim?
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Narcos Mafia DP3
I asked you guys not to fucking Lynch Town. Smdh
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Narcos Mafia DP3
I'm Gato
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It is time for a DART Presidency
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@Singularity
Lol.
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It is time for a DART Presidency
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@Singularity
Lol, if that's what you've been "leaked" someone is pulling your leg.

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@Singularity
Low tier stuff, man.
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@Singularity
Well, I define the position as "legitimate" if it has formal power. So we seem to be on the same page as it not having any power or role with moderation.

So if you guys want to play pretend president, more (fake) power to you.
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@Singularity
I have not heard anyone other than you say it would not be a legitimate position. I think this supports my theory there is a desire for a monopoly of power. Clearly it is meant to be a legitimate role with no formal powers.
"That said, I won’t stop you guys from choosing a President, they’ll just have no official moderation duty and won’t be endorsed by the mods." - Virt

"This is not to say that I am entirely opposed to the idea of a presidency, I am open to it, but I would echo Drafterman in saying it would be solely a  "voice." I do not believe we can or should give executive power to such a presidency unless the mods are required to vote to confirm the inauguration." - christopher

The standards should be, anybody you would not hire in the real world for a leadership position, you should not hire here. I would push for a democratization of moderation power because of how poorly Mike has chosen. If he were more competent in his hiring processes, I would oppose that. MY statement that the creation of a presidential position not having a dual goal of becoming a moderator is accurate. My goal is to usurp power and then democratize it until Mike learns better judgement or gets lucky with one of his moderator decisions.
Cool. Good luck with that.

This is why it is so silly for you to be adamant that the democratization of power is bad and to be so insistent to monopolize it. I assume it is an ego thing. "Only I am responsible enough to sift through reported posts in a competent way".
Well if you accept my description of it, it makes your previous point irrelevant.

Scheming is how you display superior competence in strategizing solutions when in a position decided by voters. A person who can run the most effective campaign is also going to be a superior strategist in creating solutions for a country. The lying part is bullshit. I commonly take a worse strategic position by saying honest things. I can afford to do so because of my superior strategic ability in other areas. When a small handful of people choose for a position you prove merit through your resume. SO it is just 2 different ways to display merit. The people who chose you for that position may have chosen you because of your merit but if so than it was just a lucky guess, they are too incompetent to actually make a wise decision, and even in choosing other people for moderation positions, I know for a fact they did not ask for or receive resumes. They went by gut. I have been successful in every leadership position I have ever been in, whether that is leading a team to victory in survivor or having jobs where I bring my division to the top in their district. Were they really seeking somebody based on merit, you would have lost.
Cool story.

Anybody looking for a successful campaign to the future presidential position should contact me, and I will once again prove my merit by winning. If I have to, I will create my own campaign, but as long as a candidate I approve of an who will listen to me approaches, I will get them the win here
You desperately need to be president of something, don't you?
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@Singularity
That was already stated so pointless to bring up and is completely irrelevant to what I said.

I agree, so I was surprised that, despite it being said, you would ask again for Virt to host the election and figure out how it will play out. Because that would be moderation playing an active role in this and acknowledging the legitimacy of the position which is not consistent with the stance of moderation at this point.

It is useful though in showing the lengths people in positions of power will go to monopolize their power like literal Nazis, instead of acting as servant leaders. 
The moderation team is consistently criticized for being too large, essentially the opposite of a monopoly. Regardless, it isn't purpose of the moderation team is to be leaders at all. The purpose of the moderation team is to, via enforcement of the CoC, keep the site running.

"Currently there is no role for a President within the moderation team."

No shit, nobody asked for there to be one, and again how closely you resemble a nazi is showing.
When Virt originally said this your immediate response was to say: "I would actually not accept what Virtuoso said." So you are explicitly diametrically opposed to the President not having a role within the moderation team.

You must think this is the endgame and are fearing some sort of threat to your authority to randomly bring it up.
Yes, my authority to clear the reports board of religious forum users frivolously reporting each other endlessly. Please don't take that away from me.

This is sad and pathetic on your parts is a small debating website and now that you feel like you have a bit of authority, you think you hold some sort of real power.
I think you're just mad that I was put here based on merits, rather than having to lie and scheme my way into it.

It goes to show that you hopefully are never handed  any power in real life. You will feel threatened whensomebody thinks power shouldn't be monopolized. You are an evil person and you need to take a close look at your soul and decide whether you want to remain evil or if you want to be a servant leader who works to democratize power
Souls don't exist.

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A message to all Christians of DART
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@Alec
Not really interested in a comparison between users, but I'd live to see an impartial third-party judge Mopac by his own standards.

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Narcos Mafia DP2
Wednesdays are long nights for me, so I'll probably read things over tomorrow. Try not to like, fucking lynch town while I'm away.
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It is time for a DART Presidency
president: make rules

mods: enforce rules

Elect me president and I will abolish the coc
And I think this is an excellent example why.

While President may have a purpose as the "voice" of the people or a single person to elected to represent the people and provide input on behalf of the people, they would not have any direct ability to alter the moderation of the site or its terms of use.

Right now the population is small enough, and activity low enough, that directly polling people to get a sense of the desires of the community is still practical, making any representative role unnecessary.
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@Singularity
As stated, if the community wants to "elect" someone "President" they are free to do so. You can set up the election however you wish and assign whatever "duties" to the role you wish.

Currently there is no role for a President within the moderation team.
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@Bullish
Are you me? Am I you? Is this reality?
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Themeless Mafia Signups
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@Lunatic
Falling in line with a policy that will otherwise get you lynched is basic survival instinct, it doesn't mean I support said policy.
That's essentially what I said.

You argued the same thing in south park mafia when you claimed vanilla without pressure. You didn't agree with it, but did it because that's what you thought the meta was.
I never said I didn't agree with it.

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@Lunatic
But you're against policy lynching millers. So you are, in fact, choosing and discarding policies.
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@David
Play or die.

VTL Virt
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Claims
2. Lunatic - Maria Salazar - Miller
7. Greyparrot - Poison - Messenger
4. DD - Javier Pena - Miller
5. Supa - La Quica - Hider
3. Speed - Pablo Escobar
12. Singularity - Limon
11. Oromagi - Gilberto Rodrigeuz

Unclaimed
1. Drafterman
6. Zaradi
8. Virtuoso
9. WaterPhoenix
10. Bullish

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Both Lunatic and DD are acting scummy to me, tbh.

Lunatic policy claimed miller, but then is against policy lynching millers. In debating meta, Lunatic is usually against policy but, probably like most people, he picks and chooses the policies he likes or suits him at the time. Regardless, he claimed very early which would be a bold, risky gambit as scum.

DD claims, but explicitly doesn't CC Lunatic. DD proposes multiply miller theory (as opposed to Lunatic proposing it by way of defense). I don't know the show, but this tells me that the theme legitimately supports multiple millers and DD knows this. If it's bold to suggest Mafia would quick claim miller, it would be even BOLDER for scum to claim miller AFTER it has already been claimed unless they knew they could support it with theme analysis. Likewise, a Town miller would auto-CC a previous miller claim unless they knew the theme supported multiple millers.

There is no way town or scum is claiming a second miller without it being a CC otherwise. So I'm inclined to say that the theme must support multiple millers and DD+Lunatic know this and are both Town or both Scum.

The whole stuff with Supa. I don't know. It seems like he C&Pd his role into google translate, then hastily transcribed it into a post rather than C&Ping the translation. He mixed up Colombians and Mexicans. I've probed him on this and I don't see anything that screams scum to me. Hider could be any affiliation, even third party.

The only other thing that sticks out to me is Speed's comment that Lunatic should be investigated. It comes off as proposing a sanity test, but you can also read it as making sure investigative roles waste a round investigating someone whose results would be inconclusive anyway. Sanity is only proven with flips, so it's better for them to investigate other people to provide more information once those flips start happening.
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@Bullish
I have but you're the one that pinged me so you get the response. mwa
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Why Do Christians Hate Gays?
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@ronjs
I don't think atheists are submitting the general standard that "x disagrees with y" therefore "x hates y."
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Why Do Christians Hate Gays?
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@ronjs
Why do atheists hate an individual they claim never existed.
They don't.


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Moderation Notice (religion)
Locking this thread as it has gone off topic. Please direct any questions to the moderation team via PM.
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Important Moderation Updates
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@Christen
COPPA applies to sites that either are directed to children under 13 or know that children under 13 use their site and collect specific information from those children. If you are such a site, then you are required to make notifications and gain parent consent and other requirements.

Rather than jump through these hoops and potentially be held liable for failing to meet COPPA requirements, you can simply ban the site from 13 year olds. This means it doesn't have to worry about meeting these requirements. Children can lie about their age, sure, but COPPA only applies when the site knows that a user is under 13. In such a case, the TOS of the site can be leveraged to ban them.
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@Vader
No, I mean the word for "Mexican/Colombian Authorities". What are those words in your PM.
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@Vader
 Idek that's how my google translate said
What is the word as it appears in your role PM?


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@Bullish
No the implication is that as town, the player would recognize drafter's trap: scum would fall for it an actually post the Spanish for miller, but town would be quick to point out that their role "miller" is in English.

DD, why did you not do that.
Thanks for explaining but why you gotta spoil my secrets, yo. This is like when Supa went all bizonkers on my for reaction testing Water in Virt's game.


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@Bullish
Because no one else has claimed miller?
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It's 2020
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@Christen
He literally uses the word hate, lol

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@Christen
It's the type of cutting critical analysis you'll only find within the depths of inceldom.
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@Bullish
Why do you think they haven't.
I meant in addition to Lunatic and DD.


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@Christen
This:

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@Discipulus_Didicit
But luna's behavior is always scum, even when he's town.
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Actually, if Pie implemented two millers, that is a genius way of restoring them to their real role: causing confusion in the town. Otherwise they have the opposite effect: uncced millers are basically confirmed townies at this point.
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Btw policy lynches against millers are so dumb.
Policy, letting millers live is also dumb.

You are punishing a player for receiving a role as if they have control over that. It will start encouraging millers not to claim SOP and when they get caught guilty on cop results and mislynched they will get yelled at for not claiming miller lol. We are creating double standards for ourselves. Mods aren't going to stop using millers either.
Arguably, that's the entire point of millers, which is why they should be hidden until death. They are supposed to be anti-town roles that reduce the effectiveness of cops.

The only reason I'm not voting you is because, having claimed miller as mafia before, I've seen how stupid of a thing it is for scum to do. And I just don't see you doing it. Dumb logic is something you only use as town.
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@Athias
Whether or not you accept it as part of the conversation, do you have an answer for the question?

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@Athias
That's what this whole conversation is about. Please do keep up, it would make this process a lot easier.
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@Athias
That's a better question. The primary function of insemination during coitus is fertilization, which typically results in pregnancy.
But insemination during coitus is out of the control of the participants. So why should we attach moral value to it?
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Pimp and taxi driver. inb4 Limon is hooker and/or driver. j/k
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@Singularity
Which character are you?
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@Singularity
Roles have been taken from Drafterman’s list and/or MafiaScum
You should probably ask the mod for clarification.
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@Athias
Incorrect. I am using your words as provided in this post here:


Since you helpfully provided those words I have only used those words and made no reference to anyone's state of mind.

If you provided incorrect words, you are free to correct your mistake at any point in time. To wit:

What makes the act "intended for pregnancy?"
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@Athias
Once again, your "state of mind" is not being scrutinized; if you're a heterosexual who engaged in coitus which resulted in insemination, then you engaged an act intended for pregnancy. Your "wanting" pregnancy is a moot point.
Once again, I am using your own words that you provided that you stated were relevant to this conversation.
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@Athias
Once again, your "state of mind" is not being scrutinized; if you're a heterosexual who engaged in coitus which resulted in insemination, then you engaged an act intended for pregnancy. Your "wanting" pregnancy is a moot point.
You defined "intended" as:

intended alludes to plans, goals, purposes, and design which is relevant and more pertinent to the context of our discussion
And when I asked whose plans, goals, purposes, and design we are talking about, you said:

Heterosexuals engage in coitus, so heterosexuals.
So, as a heterosexual engaging in coitus, I am telling you it was not (always) my plan, goal, purpose, or design to induce pregnancy, and therefore doesn't meet your own criteria for the act being "intended for pregnancy."

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Narcos Mafia DP1
It's an interesting case. If there are multiple millers, then there really is no reason for scum not to jump on that wagon.
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Male privilege is a myth
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Okay, well I suppose you can create whatever criteria you want. But just know that the term was not coined with those criteria in mind. It refers to phenomena like the one I mentioned that disproportionately favors men.

In the future, when you state denial that male privilege exists, perhaps you should clarify that you are using your own, homebrewed set of criteria rather than the ones everyone else is using.
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@Athias
Okay, well I am a heterosexual that has engaged in coitus and I can say that I have done so without pregnancy being my plan, goal, or design.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
since women also can do this I don't see how it is a pure example of male anything.
You asked for "Maybe you could describe a Male privilege that may not apply to all males but enough and well known enough that it can be recognized." (emphasis mine)

Are you reneging?

talking over someone or not letting them interject isn't sex dependant nor a privilege, it's it rude and not socially acceptable, in fact that can get you chastised and possible excluded in the future, hardly a privilege.
Observation disagrees with your assessment.
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