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@Athias
The material contains the arguments. If you have any questions or objections about them, please let me know.
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@Mopac
Calling people uneducated, petulant, delusional idiots is neither charitable not nice.
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@Speedrace
Doesn't Butters have some sort of superhero alter ego?
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@Athias
Who said anything about "right this minute?" I said, "feel free to go at your own pace." If you need to divide your response into several posts, then do so. If you want to consolidate each of your posts into one post, then do so. I don't mind reading the entirety of your prospective post(s).
No, I am not going to cut and paste several essays worth of text onto this forum. I have provided the material. The floor is now yours. You can read and respond at your own pace if you have any questions or objections.
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@WaterPhoenix
Why wait for the hammer when you can just vote now?
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@Athias
Why?
Because it is a broad range of topics that that covers a lot of ground. If you really, really, want me to address every single point at once, I'm just going to provide you a link with all of the information, but I'm not thinking that's what you want.
Why would you list all of those points if you're not prepared to discuss them all, especially in the context of my question?
I'm prepared to discuss any of them that you want. I just don't think it is useful to try and do them all at once.
Feel free to go at your own pace.
I am already going at the pace I wish to go.
I will examine your response once all points have been addressed as well as the relation to my question is made clear. The floor is yours.
I turn the floor over to you, and await selection of any point you wish to delve into more deeply. If you do not wish to delve into any of those points, then I will take refusal as either lack of genuine interest in the subject matter or concession of the point at hand.
If you really, really, really, want to tackle every single point rightthisminute, then here you go:
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@Mopac
If you say there is no Ultimate Reality, it is certainly the case.Want me to lie to you?
Calling people uneducated, petulant, delusional idiots isn't charitable. Which is more important to you, being charitable or insulting?
And everyone here knows it to, because who can say there is no Ultimate Reality?
Anyone can say it. It's just words formed with the mouth. It has no magical powers.
It is clear this is folly.I am certainly attacking a position. Would you not say that someone who eats their feces is gross?
If I wasn't being charitable, yes.
I operate under the assumption that someone who denies God does not know what they are denying. This is a good assumption, because for 1 it is proven consistently to me, and for 2 it is charitable position to take.
The position that all such people are uneducated, petulant, delusional idiots isn't a charitable position to take, however.
That is not what nihilism means in any sense of the word.What that means is that statement applies to those who are nihilists in the truest sense of the word. Those who are in denial of reality itself.
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@Speedrace
The list of all the characters and their level of evil
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@Speedrace
Yeah but Mr. Garrison is also Trump and whether Trump is EVIL or a GOD is going to vary from person to person. This is Supa so I'm the least evil person in the game by that measure.
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@Speedrace
I'd say I have implicit justification. Like, there is a statement about my character and then my role. There is no "ergo you are" or "because of this you are" statement, but my role makes sense given the fluff statement.
The kids don't want me to be their teacher (ergo) I am vanilla.
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@Mopac
Mopac: "The proper way to deal with people who don't believe in got is with charity."
Also Mopac: "People who don't believe in god are UNEDUCATED, PETLUANT, DELUSIONAL IDIOTS."
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@Athias
How does reality, as far as you can tell, substantiate evolution?
At a general level:
- The commonality of genetic code among all living organisms;
- The natural hierarchical grouping of species implying a branching evolutionary process;
- Agreement among independently derived phylogenetic trees
- Agreement of phylogenetic tree with fossil records
- Existence of vestigial structures;
- Existence of atavism;
- The agreement of phylogeny with ontogeny;
- The agreement of phylogeny with geographical distribution of animals;
- The existence of similar structures among animals used for different purposes;
- The existence of structures that are suboptimal for their function;
- The existence and replication of transposons;
- The direct observation of individual elements of evolution, such as morphological changes, functional changes, different stages of speciation, and actual instances of speciation.
Which would you like to discuss more in-depth?
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Though Comedian is typically town-sided, I could see it as a possible scum role as a pseudo-role cop. It semi-confirms oro either way.
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@Speedrace
He claimed Jimmy, which makes sense for Commedian
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Actually, going back and re-reading, Press claimed "Mr. Random Phat Head" as a soft claim:
The only person that comes to mind is Mr. Mackey ("fat head") but that was Virt's claim.
Unvote. VTL Press
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@Speedrace
Unless you're saying none of the active players are scum, active scum trumps inactive scum. Let's get an active scum.
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@Bullish
And why would you post something just to make me mad?
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@Speedrace
To add to my issues with Singularity, is he acknowledges that the watcher is more valuable than the doctor but decided to use his doctor last night instead of his watcher.
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We get it. Youre mad I was so much better than you in the office. Even though you’re scum can you at least play this game instead of wallowing in your past poor performances?
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@Lunatic
I have never ever ever suggested lynching inactive over scum. Period. If you can find a single instance of my suggesting that, I will VTL myself.
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@Lunatic
Only a brain dead idiot would think that’s what I’m saying.
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@Speedrace
Lunatic null read toaster here:
Now he is claiming that he voted for toaster because he believed him to be scum.
Do you think this is something a town-sided player would say and do?
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Separate from any argument this DP, I Lunatic is my top scum read for this one simple reason:
It doesn't make sense for a town person to push an alignment-agnostic policy lynch over someone you feel is scum.
He did that. This is not town behavior.
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@Speedrace
Don't answer lunatic. No matter what you say, he will spin it with a logic that makes me scum.
I defended iron because iron was my scum buddy. Oops, he flipped town. I must have been defending him because I was scum trying to build town cred.
I act differently than I did as town in some other game, ergo I'm scum.
Oops, I also acted the same as I did in town some other game, ergo I'm still scum trying to pretend I'm town.
There is no point, and he baby cries that I don't respond to all of his pointless arguments.
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It's also getting a little annoying that I can't say shit without someone digging up 10 years worth of games when I said something slightly different.
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I have only ever pointed out the illogic of you, as town, pushing to policy lynch an inactive over someone who you scum read.
It doesn't make sense as town.
Ergo you aren't town.
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@Greyparrot
You've lynched exactly one person. 1 person can't be "most" of anything.
Press is inactive.
Pie is inactive.
Water is inactive.
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@Lunatic
As a Town person believing me as scum, that wouldn't hold you back. As scum unable to force a mislynch on an active townie, it would be practical for you to force a mislynch on an inactive townie unable to defend themselves. Your actions make more sense as scum than town.If have the option of lynching two people I believe are scum, and one is easier to lynch than the other, why wouldn't I go for the easier one who is gonna nag at me the whole game? I was voting toaster before I even scum read you.
You didn't believe toaster was scum, you went on him because he was inactive.
Based the fact that scum (you) was opportunistically pushing his lynch based on nothing. I've had farts with more substance than the case against toaster.You definitely mis-used "oppertunistic" in this case. I was pressuring Irontoaster since DP1 without luck, and it didn't seem likely he was getting lynched dp2 either. Oro's surprise hammer was more "oppertunistic" than my 2 day siege against him. I have had farts that had better reasoning for thinking someone is town, then you had for toaster.
I suppose if you can't be clever on your own the next best thing is to copy someone else.
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@Greyparrot
It's be nice, but half the active players are scum and the other half couldn't be arsed to read anything.
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@Lunatic
Inactivity is a very common reason to scum read someone, especially in light of recent games.
No it isn't.
And OMGUS is also a common thing scum do when cornered. His first reaction and post was to basically counter vote me for pushing him for inactivity lol.
Except you weren't voting him because you thought he was scum. So why are you all of a sudden providing these reasons why you were voting him as scum?
Also aren't you the one who keeps saying "I'm not gonna get lynched?" If you aren't gonna get lynched why would I not target someone who is also scummier and more likely to get lynched right away?
As a Town person believing me as scum, that wouldn't hold you back. As scum unable to force a mislynch on an active townie, it would be practical for you to force a mislynch on an inactive townie unable to defend themselves. Your actions make more sense as scum than town.
"Also it was fairly easy for any non-idiot to see that irontoaster was town."Based on what then?
Based the fact that scum (you) was opportunistically pushing his lynch based on nothing. I've had farts with more substance than the case against toaster.
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@Lunatic
Those are your words not mine.
I am paraphrasing your argument.
Pretty simple, you defended someone who's inactivity was anti-town. There was no reason to think that he was town based on posting next to nothing.
There was no reason to think he was scum, either. And yet you pushed for his lynch over someone you thought was scum.
Now you are saying that you knew he was town the whole time,
No I'm not.
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@Lunatic
So I'm scum because I defended him and I defended him because I'm scum, regardless of his affiliation. How circular.
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@Lunatic
I thought I defended him because he was my power role scum partner?
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@Speedrace
Ignore lunatic. He's scum. All last phase I was defending iron because he was my power role scum partner. Now that he flipped town I was defending him because I knew he was town. Lunatic is just twisting the evidence to fit the narrative that I'm scum regardless of what happens.
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Also it was fairly easy for any non-idiot to see that irontoaster was town.
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@Lunatic
Ok. Town doesn't really give a shit either way. They're not going to lynch me based on your bullshit and they're not going to lynch you based on your bullshit either.
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