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@TheDredPriateRoberts
(Roberts is last man standing)
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Roberts and Ismark continue their attacks.
[Melee Weapon Attack: d20 (11) + 5 = 16, Miss!]
[Melee Weapon Attack: d20 (18) + 5 = 23, Hit!]
[Longsword Damage: d8 (1) = 1/2 = 0 slashing damage]
Another round of missiles from Morgantha downs Ismark and she turns her full attention to Roberts, sneering.
Luraxt brings the sphere up stairs and rams it into Bella, who dodges out of the way, taking some damage. At the same time, Luraxt ray-of-frosts her.
[Flaming Sphere Damage: 2d6 (2,6) = 8/2 = 4 lightning damage]
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (16) + 4 = 20, Hit!]
[Ray of Frost Damage: d8 (1) = 1/2 = 0 cold damage]
Bella grabs ahold of Luraxt and claws at the elf until he collapses and stops moving.
[Luraxt takes 14 slashing damage]
The sphere pops out of existence.
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 0/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8), Unconscious]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (1 rounds), Unconscious, Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured [Asleep]
[15] Ismark - Dead
[15] Morgantha - Injured
[15] Bella - Injured
[15] Offallia - Near Death
→[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0
[12] Luraxt - 0/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0|0 [Dying]
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Unconscious]
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Roberts tosses the swords up in the air and catches them with the opposite hands, then attacks Morgantha from one side as Ismark attacks from the other.
[Melee Weapon Attack: d20 (14) + 5 = 19, Hit!]
[Shortsword Damage: d6 (6) + 3 = 9 piercing damage]
[Melee Weapon Attack: d20 (20) + 5 = 25, Critical Hit!]
[Longsword Damage: 2d8 (7, 7) = 14/2 = 7 slashing damage]
Morgantha howls and flings magic missiles at Ismark.
Luraxt and Bella continue to go toe to toe, with Bella continuing to use her claws.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (9) + 4 = 13, Miss!]
[Luraxt takes 13 slashing damage]
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 0/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8), Unconscious]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (2 rounds), Unconscious, Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured [Asleep]
[15] Ismark - Bloodied
[15] Morgantha - Injured
[15] Bella - Injured
[15] Offallia - Near Death
→[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0
[12] Luraxt - 9/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0|0 [Concentrating on Flaming Sphere (5 Rounds)]
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Unconscious]
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
(It's an increase of 1.5 damage/turn, on average, not counting in hit %. Sure, lol)
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@Buddamoose
Page 195 of PHB
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand. You don’t add your ability modifier to the damage of the bonus attack, unless that modifier is negative.
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@Buddamoose
(He is using the silvered shortsword. Check Robert's second attack)
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
(Bella is on a completely different floor rn)
Roberts and Ismark double team on Morgantha who continues to slash at Ismark.
[Melee Weapon Attack: d20 (17) + 5 = 22, Hit!]
[Longsword Damage: d8 (3) + 3 = 6/2 = 3 piercing damage]
[Melee Weapon Attack: d20 (16) = 5 = 21, Hit!]
[Shortsword Damage: d6 (2) = 2 piercing damage]
Luraxt ray of frosts Bella while Bella lunges at Luraxt with her claws, Luraxt tossing up her shield in response to defend against them.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (20) + 4 = 24, Critical Hit!]
[Ray of Frost Damage: 2d8 (8, 8) = 16/2 = 8 cold damage]
(Next Round!)
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 0/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8), Unconscious]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (2 rounds), Unconscious, Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured [Asleep]
[15] Ismark - Bloodied
[15] Morgantha - Injured
[15] Bella - Injured
[15] Offallia - Near Death
→[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0
[12] Luraxt - 22/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0|0 [Concentrating on Flaming Sphere (6 Rounds)]
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Unconscious]
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Luraxt again blasts Bella with her ray of frost, causing a shimmer of ice to appear on her haggard skin.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (20) + 4 = 24, Critical Hit!]
[Ray of Frost Damage: 2d8 (4, 6) = 10/2 = 5 cold damage]
Bellas eyes shift from black to their normal color.
[Grahf Death Save: d20 (16) = 16, Pass! Grahf Stabilizes!]
Ismark and Morgantha clash against each other, each doing damage, but with Morgantha clearly having the upper hand/claw. As Morgantha takes damage, Roberts feels the paralyzing spell fade away.
Bella attempts to fling some magic missiles at Luraxt, but his shield appears from nowhere and deflects them.
(Now at Roberts)
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 0/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8), Unconscious]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (3 rounds), Unconscious, Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured [Asleep]
[15] Ismark - Bloodied
[15] Morgantha - Injured
[15] Bella - Injured
[15] Offallia - Near Death
→[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0
[12] Luraxt - 22/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Concentrating on Flaming Sphere (7 Rounds)]
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Unconscious]
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Luraxt ray of frosts Bella.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (15) + 4 = 19, Hit!]
[Ray of Frost Damage: d8 (8) = 8/2 = 4 cold damage]
[Snerp Death Save: d20 (13) = 13, Pass! Snerp Stabilizes!]
[Grahf Death Save: d20 (13) = 13, Pass!]
Ireena rushes down the stairs and slashes at Bella with her rapier.
Ismark hops off the stairs and assaults Morgantha with his longsword. You will no longer prey upon my villagers!
Morgantha cackles: I'll do as I please! She slashes at Ismark with her claws, but his armor deflects the blows.
Bella turns to Ireena and puts her to sleep with her still-black eyes.
Roberts remains frozen.
[Roberts Wisdom Save: d20 (12) + 2 = 14, Failed!]
(Luraxt' turn)
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 0/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8); Dying (1 fail, 2 pass)]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (4 rounds), Unconscious, Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured [Asleep]
[15] Ismark - Injured
[15] Morgantha - Injured
[15] Bella - Injured
[15] Offallia - Near Death
[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0 [Paralyzed]
→[12] Luraxt - 22/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 2|0 [Concentrating on Flaming Sphere (7 Rounds)]
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Unconscious]
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@kindertina
(That spell you cast as a reaction to someone attacking you or casting magic missile outside of your turn)
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
@kindertina
(@Roberts: Infravision is not a thing as far as I can tell and Drow don't have any innate abilities to see invisible creatures. As a Paladin, Grahf does/did, but he can't come to the phone right now)
The second Roberts makes an aggressive move, Morgantha releases the spell she had prepared and Roberts freezes in place.
[Roberts Wisdom Save: d20 (3) + 2 = 5, Failed!]
Luraxt flings a firebolt at Morgantha and hits.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (14) + 4 = 18, Hit!]
[Firebolt Damage: d10 (2) = 2/1 = 1 fire damage]
[Snerp Death Save: d20 (10) = 10, Pass!]
[Grahf Death Save: d20 (14) = 14, Pass!]
[Eikka Death Save: d20 (15) = 15, Pass! Eikka stabilizes!]
Ismark fires at Morgantha and misses.
Morgantha turns to Ismark. You should have known better than meddle in my affairs, lordling.
She flings magic missiles at Ismark.
Bella reappears on the same floor as Luraxt.
Roberts is unable to break free of the paralysis.
[Roberts Wisdom Save: d20 (11) + 2 = 13, Failed!]
(Luraxt' turn)
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 0/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8); Dying (1 fail, 1 pass)]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (4 rounds), Unconscious, Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured
[15] Ismark - Injured
[15] Morgantha - Injured
[15] Bella - Uninjured
[15] Offallia - Near Death
[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0 [Paralyzed]
→[12] Luraxt - 22/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 2|0 [Concentrating on Flaming Sphere (8 Rounds)]
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Dying (2 pass, 1 fail)]
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
(Bella is the one that is invisible, Morgantha is the one that is still visible, but Roger)
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@kindertina
(@Roberts: Your assumptions about invisibility are correct, but there is no indication, auditory, visual, or otherwise, that they are still there.
@kinder: If you don't speak common then you probably don't know that she was talking about you)
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@kindertina
(All you know is that she has disappeared from view)
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Lurax fires a ray of frost at Morgantha but misses.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (7) + 4 = Miss!]
[Snerp Death Save: d20 (5) = 5, Fail!]
[Grahf Death Save: d20 (3) = 3, Fail!]
[Eikka Death Save: d20 (16) = 16, Pass!]
Ismark manages to free himself of the paralysis.
Morgantha growls something to Bella, then turns to Roberts, her fingers outstretched.
Your comrades are down, the little elf will join them shortly. What are you going to do, knight? Go down fighting?
Bella then disappears.
(On Roberts)
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 0/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8); Dying (1 fail)]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (5 rounds), Dying (1 fail; 2 pass); Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured
[15] Ismark - Uninjured
[15] Morgantha - Uninjured
[15] Bella - Uninjured
[15] Offallia - Near Death
→[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0
[12] Luraxt - 22/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 2|0 [Concentrating on Flaming Sphere (9 Rounds)]
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Dying (1 pass, 1 fail)]
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Oh, but I disagree. Sexual instinct ensures the survival of the species which trumps individual survival. Think about all the organisms where sex = death (of the individual).But the only thing stronger than the sexual instinct is the survival instinct
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Luraxt conjures a lightning sphere near Offallia and rams it into her. She manages to dodge part of the blast.
[Flaming Sphere Damage: 2d6 (1, 6) = 7/2 = 3 lightning damage]
Snerp groans.
[Snerp Death Save: 1d20 (10) = 10, Success!]
Grahf thrusts his longsword into Offallia and burns here again with divine fury.
[Melee Weapon Attack: d20 (13) + 6 = 19, Hit!]
[Longsword Damage: d10 (3) + 3 = 6/2 = 3 slashing damage + 3d8 (6, 7, 3) = 16 radiant damage]
Eikka groans.
[Eikka Death Save: d20 (17) = 17, Success!]
Ismark remains paralyzed.
Morgantha and Bella each turn to Grahf. You're annoying!
They each fling magical missiles at Grahf knocking him to the ground.
[Grahf takes 27 force damage]
Offallia grumbles and reaches into leathery handbag hanging on her hip, and suddenly disappears from view.
With Offallia no longer in sight, Roberts turns to Morgantha, but is unable to land a blow.
[Melee Weapon Attack (longsword): d20 (6) + 5 = 11, Miss!]
[Melee Weapon Attack (shortsword): d20 (3) + 5 = 8, Miss!]
(Back to Luraxt)
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 0/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8); Dying]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (6 rounds), Dying (1 fail; 1 pass); Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured
[15] Ismark - Uninjured [Paralyzed]
[15] Morgantha - Uninjured
[15] Bella - Uninjured
[15] Offallia - Near Death
[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0
→[12] Luraxt - 22/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 2|0 [Concentrating on Flaming Sphere (10 Rounds)]
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Dying (1 pass)]
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@Earth
@kindertina
(Let's get our final actions submitted)
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@kindertina
(@kinder: the only place to put a sphere without hitting anyone else is to the sw of O, but then you only can damage O)
(@Earth: Assuming it's not a TPK, sure)
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@Greyparrot
That's funny. Did you endorse or support Trump before he decided to run for and become Head of State?
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@Buddamoose
(Yeah, he can try and shove them aside, but that would use his action)
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@Buddamoose
(It's range is touch. Levitate moves only up and down, so someone would have to move her body to him somehow)
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@Buddamoose
(I'm pretty lenient when it comes to maneuvering, but Grahf is pretty well crammed into his corner there.)
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@Earth
You aren't in range to lay on hands anyone.
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@ethang5
Do you have evidence that I, personally, said or endorsed any of those things? Because I didn't.
Personally I just thought (and still do) that he's an unqualified, racist, sexist asshole.
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@ethang5
Yeah. But if those things were bad...
It's interesting you bring that up. I always see people taking credit for creating jobs and boosting the economy, but no one ever taking credit for eliminating jobs and creating recessions and depressions.
Isn't it amazing that apparently the president can only influence the work force and economy in positive ways, yet whenever something negative happens it's always someone else's fault or just mysterious "market forces?"
Weird.
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@Greyparrot
1. “Two-For-One” – Reducing Regulation and Controlling Regulatory Costs - Nothing here about creating jobs, raising consumer confidence, or boosting the economy.
2. Agriculture and Apprenticeships – Workplace Impact - "May". Next!
3. National Council on Federal Labor-Management Relations Disbanded - Nothing here about creating jobs, raising consumer confidence, or boosting the economy.
4. ACA Roll Back Attempts - Nothing here about creating jobs, raising consumer confidence, or boosting the economy.
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Luraxt sticks his head out again and magics away Grahf's paralysis.
Snerp attempts to cure Eikka's wounds but the hag's magic interferes with his own.
Grahf tries to reach Eikka to heal her, but sees no way to get within reach. So he decides to instead attack Offalia, imbuing his sword with holy energy.
[Melee Weapon Attack: d20 (19) + 6 = 25, Hit!]
[Longsword Damage: d10 (2) + 4 = 6/3 = 3 slashing damage + 3d8 (3, 7, 4) = 14 radiant damage]
Eikka groans and coughs up some blood.
[Death Save: d20 (6) = 6, Failed!]
Ismark kneels down next to Eikka and attempts to stabilize her, but does know enough about half-orc anatomy to stop the bleeding.
Morgantha and Bella both turn toward Snerp and grin with rotting teeth. Each of them launches a barrage of magical missiles that overwhelm the gnome and cause him to collapse to the ground, unconscious.
[Snerp takes 27 force damage]
Offallia clutches her horrid wounds and growls out an equally horrid incantation.
[Grahf Wisdom Save: d20 (15) + 2 = 17, Saved!]
[Roberts Wisdom Save: d20 (18) + 2 = 20, Saved!]
Ismark freezes in place.
(Back to Luraxt)
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 24/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 1 [Max HP reduced (-8)]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (7 rounds), Dying (1 fail); Bardic Inspiration]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured
[15] Ismark - Uninjured [Paralyzed]
[15] Morgantha - Uninjured
[15] Bella - Uninjured
[15] Offallia - Bloodied
[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0
→[12] Luraxt - 22/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 2|1
[5] ✶Snerp - 0/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⭘⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 1|0 [Dying]
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@Vader
They aren't. You're drawing the connections in your mind. If you scrambled up horoscopes, picking out yours would be no better than random chance.
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@Vader
Oh, in other words: they're complete bunk?
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I don't believe the president is responsible for employment, consumer confidence, or the economy.
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@ethang5
I agree. It'll be nice when we can replace the current dumpster fire for one of those better presidents.
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@Buddamoose
(As secular said, magic missile doesn't have a to hit roll, so if you wanted to use cutting words, it'd have to be on the damage roll)
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Luraxt pokes his head around the corner again and blasts Offallia with a ray of frost.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (17) + 4 = 21, Hit!]
[Ray of Frost Damage: d8 (6) = 6/3 = 3 cold damage]
Snerp heals Eikka.
[Cure Wounds, level 2: 2d8 (1,7) + 4 = 12 HP healed]
Grahf remains paralyzed.
[Grahf Wisdom Save: d20 (11) + 2 = 13, Failed!]
Eikka attacks with both the spiritual weapon and the eldritch blast, but misses both.
[Ranged Spell Attack: d20 (2) + 4 = 6, Miss!]
[Melee Spell Attack: d20 (6) + 4 = 10, Miss!]
Ismark fires a crossbow bolt at Offalia, but the shot goes wide.
Morgantha downs Eikka again with a barrage of magic missiles.
[Eikka takes 15 force damage]
Bella turns her evil eyes on Snerp: GO AWAY!
[Snerp Wisdom Save: d20 (6, 14) + 1 = 15, Saved!]
Offallia utters an infernal incantation at Roberts, but nothing happens.
[Roberts Wisdom Save: d20 (15) + 2 = 17, Saved!]
In return Roberts hacks and slashes at Offallia.
[Melee Weapon Attack (longsword): d20 (2) + 5 = 7, Miss!]
[Melee Weapon Attack (shortsword): d20 (17) + 5 = 22, Hit!]
[Shortsword Damage: 1d6 (3) = 3 piercing damage]
Player Summaries:
[21] Grahf - 24/28 HP - 16 AC - Breath Weapon: ⬤ | Divine Sense: 3 | Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Lay on Hands: 20 | Spell Slots: 2 [Max HP reduced (-8), Paralyzed]
[20] ✶Eikka - 0/31 HP - 16 AC - Channel Divinity: ⭘ | Relentless Endurance: ⭘ | Spell Slots: 2|3 [Spiritual Weapon (8 rounds), Dying]
[20] Ireena - Uninjured
[15] Ismark - Uninjured
[15] Morgantha - Uninjured
[15] Bella - Uninjured
[15] Offallia - Bloodied
[15] Roberts - 36/36 HP - 18 AC - Action Surge: ⭘ | Second Wind ⬤ | Spell Slots: 0
→[12] Luraxt - 22/22 HP - 13 AC - Arcane Recovery ⬤ | Spell Secrets ⬤ | Spell Slots: 2|1
[5] ✶Snerp - 23/23 HP - 13 AC - Bardic Inspiration: ⬤⭘ | Feather Fall ⬤ | Spell Slots: 2|0
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The Truth is the truth in the truest sense of what that means.
I don't know what that means.
It's the difference between a relative truth and the eternal truth. The difference between contingent reality and the reality that all is contingent on.
What is "the reality that all is contingent on?"
Don't kid yourself. Your debate is against God, not me.
I'm talking to you. You are responding to me. So it looks like this is between you and me. If God wants to step in, he's free to do so.
Don't make this about me.
All I see is you, buddy. I don't really care if you are the originator or not of this position. You're repeating it, so I'll put you to the task of explaining it. If you can't, then I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish.
the clear and manifest authority and power it has over EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS AND IS REAL.
I don't know what that is.
and you argue with that. It's ridiculous. I can't make it any clearer. When I say The Truth, I mean The Truth in the truest sense of what that means.
I'm not arguing against it. I'm telling you I don't know what it means. Saying that it is what it is and isn't what it isn't doesn't actually make it any clearer.
What is your problem with The Truth?
Tell me what "The Truth" is without being circular in a way that I can understand and I'll let you know if I have any problems and what those are.
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@janesix
My mind "works" the same mind as just about everyone else. Like, I don't have a disease or dysfunction. I have the same basic intuitions as you. But my education has taught me that reality doesn't conform to my instincts.
If we were to boil down the entire body of physics into a statement, it would be: "It's weird as shit, ya'll." Our brains, through millions of years of evolution are wired to ensure our survival in macroscopic, Earth-like conditions. Things like quantum weirdness, relativity of time and such are admittedly counter-intuitive.
That doesn't make them not true.
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This could simply be showing that the subconscious CAN take control if there is injury to the brain, or if we relinquish control to our animal brains. Kind o fa reversion to animal behavior.
Except that's not what's happening here. It doesn't involve those "animal" parts of the brain. It involves complex and abstract thought. Your subconscious brain seeing a picture of snow and telling your hand to point to a snow shovel, all without the involvement of your conscious brain.
Do you REALLY think you are not responsible for your own actions?
Of course I'm "responsible" for my own actions. But "I" includes all of me, including my subconscious decisions.
What does your gut feeling tell you?
What does my gut feeling have to do with how reality actually is?
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You must consider the possibility that the conscious mind doesn't "do" anything in the sense that it is just a trivial side-effect of the normal operation of our brain. You might as well be asking, "well, what does car exhaust do?" In terms of the functioning of the car, it doesn't do anything. It's not part of the car's necessary operation, it's just a byproduct.
That said, while consciousness can't change choices already made, it can influence future actions. Behavior is cyclical. We receive information about our environment. Our brain processes that information and decides upon a response. Our response then effects and changes the environment. We receive information about the environment, etc.
Through our ability to change the environment, we can then change our own future behavior since our behavior is dependent upon the environment. Our consciousness is in this process, so necessarily it can effect that process. But the effects of consciousness come after the decisions of the subconscious. The conscious mind isn't doing the deciding, it's doing the rationalizing. It assigns meaning and constructs a pleasant little narrative, after the fact.
Consider Alien hand syndrome. With this condition your hand is operating as if it has a mind of its own. Its behavior is not random or erratic. It is capable of performing deliberate and complex acts that the conscious mind is completely unaware of. So clearly the conscious mind is not a necessary component of decision making or action taking.
Consider other examples of severing the two halves of the brain:
When subjected to a series of lies sent only to one side of their vision or the other, people with split brain would only report on lights flashed on the right side of their field of vision. But when asked to point to any light that flashed, they would correctly point to every light that flashed even the lights they did not report as having seen flashed! So clearly the conscious mind is not necessary in processing input, making decisions, or taking action!
Most striking, I think, is this:
Certain experiments that Gazzaniga conducted with split-brain patients also led him to develop the concept of the “left-hemisphere interpreter”. In one of these classic experiments, the split-brain patient had to point with his two hands at pictures of two objects corresponding to two images that he had seen on the divided screen (one with each of his two separated hemispheres). In the test shown here, the patient’s left hand is pointing at the card with a picture of a snow shovel, because the right hemisphere, which controls this hand, has seen the projected image of a winter scene. Meanwhile, his right hand is pointing at the card with a picture of a chicken, because his left hemisphere has seen the image of a chicken’s foot.But when the patient is asked to explain why his left hand is pointing at the shovel, his talking hemisphere—the left one—has no access to the information seen by the right, and so instead interprets his behaviour by responding that the reason is that you use a shovel to clean out the chicken house! Experiments like this show just how ready the brain is to provide language-based explanations for behaviour.
So not only is your conscious mind not required in input, decision making, or action taking, but it'll readily invent completely fabricated justifications for why you took a certain action!
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