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..."The argument claims that Gödel’s first incompleteness theorem shows that the human mind is not a Turing machine, that is, a computer. The argument has generated a great deal of discussion since then. The influential Computational Theory of Mind, which claims that the human mind is a computer, is false if Lucas’s argument succeeds. Furthermore, if Lucas’s argument is correct, then “strong artificial intelligence,” the view that it is possible at least in principle to construct a machine that has the same cognitive abilities as humans, is false."...
...The Lucas-Penrose Argument about Gödel’s Theorem --See section 3 for Penroses argument...
...' For example, McCullough (1995: 3.2) claims that for Penrose’s argument to succeed, two claims must be true: (1) “Human mathematical reasoning is sound. That is, every statement that a competent human mathematician considers to be “unassailably true” actually is true,” and (2) “The fact that human mathematical reasoning is sound is itself considered to be “unassailably true.””
......These claims seem implausible to McCullough (1995: 3.4) though, who remarks, “For people (such as me) who have a more relaxed attitude towards the possibility that their reasoning might be unsound, Penrose’s argument doesn’t carry as much weight.” In short, McCullough (1995) thinks it is at least possible that mathematicians are unsound so we do not definitively know that mathematicians are sound.
.......McDermott (1995) also questions this aspect (among others) of Penrose’s argument. Looking at the way that mathematicians actually work, he (1995: 3.4) claims, “it is difficult to see how thinkers like these could even be remotely approximated by an inference system that chugs to a certifiably sound conclusion, prints it out, then turns itself off.” For example, McDermott points out that in 1879 Kempe published a proof of the four-color theorem which was not disproved until 1890 by Heawood; that is, it appears there was an 11 year period where many competent mathematicians were unsound"...
However...."
The Four Colour Theorem
Age 11 to 16
Article by Leo Rogers
Published 2011
The Four Colour Conjecture was first stated just over 150 yearsago, and finally proved conclusively in 1976. It is an outstandingexample of how old ideas combine with new discoveries andtechniques in different fields of mathematics to provide newapproaches to a problem. It is also an example of how an apparentlysimple problem was thought to be 'solved' but then became morecomplex, and it is the first spectacular example where a computerwas involved in proving a mathematical theorem. "..
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1} first and foremost, is defininng consciousness. I say there are degrees of consciousness, ergo, there exists non-biologic consciousness, that, in least complex definition is two-ness/other-ness, that, includes four aspects of consideration
2} Artificial General Intelligence { AGI algorithms } will approach that have human generalizing abilities via access to Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego/i, in what future year?
Answer: AGI is already approaching ergo, the question is really,1} Will AGI ever attain the degree of generalized intelligence status that humans have?
and 2} what year will that occur?
Answer: never
...."....could a calculator be considered an early yet incomplete version of AGI? How about Eliza? Siri?),” Marcus argued, pointing to the continuing deficiencies of the current generation of large Language Models (LLMs): “The problem of hallucinations is not solved; reliability is not solved; planning on complex tasks is (as the authors themselves acknowledge) not solved.”
...If by “AGI” we (including Marcus) mean getting a machine to be as “intelligent” as humans, why is it a problem to have hallucinations, a very human trait? Isn’t “AGI” or even just ordinary “AI” a very human hallucination?
..One of the definitions of hallucination given by the Marriam-Webster dictionary is “an unfounded or mistaken impression or notion.” Obviously Marcus, like many other intelligent people today, thinks that a calculator is not AI or an incomplete AGI. But that mistaken notion (or hallucination) has been advanced by many intelligent people for many years.
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@zedvictor4
Whiskey Vodka Brandy Rum.
All four of these fall into Spirit-2 aka physical reality aka energy aka observed { quantised } time catagory.
With a Cosmic Table of Contents, all that exists falls into one of three my listed catagories and/or trinary sub-set of catagories.
This is also known as a hierarchy. A hierarchical system of categorization and differentiation of this from that, beginning with most generalized, and ending with minimal specical-case set, that being the mininal occupied space set of the graviton-darkion, i..e 14 nodal events ergo 91 lines of relationship.
Utopia or Oblivion a book title by Bucky Fuller in 1969
..." Whether it is to be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race right up to the final moment… Humanity is in a final exam as to whether or not it qualifies for continuance in the Universe.” – R. Buckminster Fuller, Utopia or Oblivion"..
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@zedvictor4
>>>>entropic arrow-of-time>>>> Meta-space concept existent in complement to the actual occupied space in 3D disintegrating { coming apart }. Meta-space time is quantification of occupied space not quantization ergo PING! or OUCH!
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@zedvictor4
I get that. So are we also saying that something can be reduced to nothing.
No becuase were not starting with actual 3D volume of occupied space, on the mathematical concepts.
Observed { quantised } time is fermionic matter and bosonic forces.
Meta-space conceptual time is quantification of this or that in numerical units of measurement.
'Now' is expressed via Meta-space concepts of geometry { sub-set of math as pattern }.
Meta-space is not an actual space , ergo not reducing something { occupied space } to truly non-occupied space.
Meta-space is a concept of Space or as in a mathematical concept of pattern via numerical unit accounting of occupied space parts.
So were starting with Meta-space concept of a direction of time --entropic or syntropic--- in a mathematical geometric representation of 3D volume, and reducing it to mathematical 2D area, ergo,
Were not reducing an actual, occupied 3D space volume something ----ergo observed quantised time--- to an actual occupied space labeled as 2D area.
Meta-space time complements occupied s3D pace of observed time, and the closet we come to recognistion of 'Now' of 3D time is a mathematically geometric, 2D areal slice. >>>>(>|>)>>>>>>>
Fuller would tell us that the closet we come to knowing God --ergo Universe--- is via the equinimity of chords 24 >< 24 radii of the Vector Equilibrium, and understood when the VE is constructed via four 2D polygonal or circular hexagons.
See graphic B in following URL and you can count 24 outer/circumerential edges balanced with the 24 internal radii. This is the only polyhedron that equality of close packing of equal-radius spheres that balance the internal set of radii to the outer set of edges/lines/chords. Aka 12-around-1 equal radius spheres. In the most purest mathematical Meta-space concept..
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@zedvictor4
Now is 2D slice of 3D volumetric time.
>>>>>>|>>>>>>>>
| is texticonic character representative { 2D symbolism } for a 2D slice of volumetric time.
>>>>>>|>>>>>>>>
| is texticonic character representative { 2D symbolism } for a 2D slice of volumetric time.
( ) = 3D volume
>>>>>(>|>)>>>>> entropic arrow-of-time exists in complement to 3D volumetric space.
<<<<<<(<|<)<<<<<<<< syntropic flow-of-time
3D volume can be represented by spherical set of four, or more, vertexial points. Never less than four vertexial points.
\Y/ = minimal set of four vertexial points, as 2D triangle, subidivided into three smaller triangles, inside the larger triangle totals as four triangles.
When the lines are curved trajectories the can form the minimal, curved, 3D spherical ( ) tetrahedron.
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@zedvictor4
First line of text read....."AI searches data bank of information"
H,mmm that is tough set of six words to grasp. These six words, in that sort of phrase was enough to stop my brain in its tracks.
FLRW can you explain what those six words mean? Please
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AI searches data bank of information, ergo, a good search by AI will discover my Quantum Space-time Torus/Tori info, AI does not do logical, common sense critical thinking in comprehensive methodology associated with synergetic biologic life that results in complex human and humans interfacing with each other and their environment, to discover cosmic priniciples, and physical laws andwith the ability to apply where and when as needed.
1......'Always start with the whole and no parts can then be excluded'.....Bucky Fuller,
2......My Cosmic Trinary/TrinitySet/Outline { think table of contents of Universe } covers thatwith none who have invalidated it with any logical common sense critical thinking, 01-eternally existent, Meta-space concepts,.... 02-eternallyexistent, macro-infinite and truly non-occupied space that,embraces/surrounds the following;
3......Eternally existent and finite occupied space Universe and the first trinary sub-set of the above #2, is as follows:
......3a { Spirit-2 primary }......fermionic matter and bosonic forces ---yes there is a new third catagory that is hybrid of these two----- ergo physical reality aka energy aka observed { quantised } time, has numerically sequential nodal event associations in a sine-wavepattern as 0...3p.....6.....9....12......15.....18 { see 36combinations of quark { 18 } and anti-quark { 18 } that total as 36,
0...3p....6...9...12......15.....18......21........24.........27.........30...............33....................36...........................39.......................42...........................45............................48..etc
....................see6 kinds of electron...electron-muon....electron---tau....see as set of 3 and anti-3, total of 6
....................see6 kinds of neutrino...muon neutrno-----tau neutrino....see as set of 3 and anti-3, total of 6
........3b { Spirit-3 primary }....ultra-micro ---ergo non-quantised norquantified--- mass-attractive/contractive, positive ( ) geodesic ( ) curvature ( ) field ( ) of Gravity ( ),
..............invaginates[ v } from outer peak of positive curvature inwards v-inside-the-tube and creates the top peak of sine-wave pattern ofthe above #3, physical reality as nucleated body of our observed {quantised } existence, ergo, associated with #3 a above as triangulated integrity
......numerica llocations of Gravity in the overall spirally sequential linear pattern set are, as follows,
.....1.....5p v 7p......11p v13p........17p v 19p..................23pv25......................29p v31p....................................35 v37p..................................................41p v 43p
.....3c { Spirit-4 primary } ..ultra-micro --ergo non-quantised norquantified--- mass-repulsive/expansive, negative )( geodesic )( curvature )( field )(of Dark Energy ---see also Dark Inflation-----
.......invaginates{ ^ } from inner peak of negative curvature inwards ^-toinside-the-tube and creates the bottom peak of sine-wave pattern of the above #3, physical reality as the nucleated body of observed existence
...numerica llocations of Dark Energy, in the overall spirally sequential linear pattern set, are as follows,
......2p^ 4.....8 ^ 10.........14 ^ 16...............20 ^22........................26 ^28.......................................32 ^34.................................................38 ^ 40... etc
Ok?Are otherw with my so far? If so then continue as follows:
O3ab...the minimal, 3D, Quantum Space-time Torus has 18 nodal events,----that has 153 lines-of-relationship----,
............and within that set of 18 nodal events, is a lesser set of 14 nodalevents ---that has 91 lines-of-relationship---, that define the minimal particle integrity of Universe, the graviton-darkEon. Gravity and Dark Energy are two sides of the same coin.
........thegraviton-darkEon will never be isolated out from the 18 nodal event toruw. The14 nodal event graviton-darkEon is composed as follows;
outer>>>>> 1................5p v 7p..............11p v 13phas five nodal events
inside >>>0........3P............6..........9.............12... nucleated bod yreality has five nodal events
inner >>>>>>2.....^....4..............8..^.10................has four nodal events
The graviton-darkEon in Euclidean format identified as the triangulated at two ends, 3D, triangulated di-pyramid { 3 isend, 3 is girth, 3 is end } defines a tube with no nucleated events. Nucleated version of the di-pyramid developed in all of the above that in 2D format, is inside-outed ergo tainted asymmetrical counter part the more symmetrical { purity }non-tainted and non-inside-out version. However, for morecomprehensive understanding of led to all of the above is seen at bottom of page.
All other particles of Universe fermionic matter and bosonic forces, andthey are resultant of two, three four or more overlapping and interfering Quantum Space-time Tori. OK? Got that?
Symmetrical, 2D numerically linear exploration for any patterning of prime numbers, that, led to a 2D hexagon composed of six radii, ---not shown in this page--- with zero { 0 } being at the 2Dnuclear center, with 1, 2p 3p, 4, 5p, 6 in first shell around 0, thena leap to next shell beginning with 7p, 8, 9, 10, 11p, 12, the leapto next shell etc.
.0......................6.............................12....................................18..................................24......etc.
....1.............5p.....7p...............11p.......13p....................17p........19p..................23p.......25..etc
.......2p.....4...............8......10.......................14.........16.......................20.......22.....................etc
...........3p......................9...................................15...................................21...........................etc
This above is pretty good summary of what ive come to believe, and some ofhow i got to those beliefs.
2D Euclidean ex a triangle structural integrity 3-ness
2D pattern of systemic four-ness integrity --see also the four lines, also Arthur Youngs {Bell Helicopter } four lines that began with 1----, that beginsnumerical 0.
3D volumetric systemic integrity and structural integrity as presented by Bucky Fuller with his Vector-Equilibrium { equanimity as God of chords 24 >< 24 radii ergo12 sphericals around nuclear 1 spherical.
2D lattice of symmetrical purity shown above
2D lattice of asymmetrical ergo tainted version of purity turned inside-out and rolled into 3D as,
3Dspirally numerical sequence, with di-polar invaginations, as the Quantum Space-time Tori that overlap and interfere, to create all quantum particles of our eternally existent --- and in dynamic transformation---, finite, occupied space Universe. Ok? Understand?
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@FLRW
C'mon man, don't get your panties in a bunch.
His panties in a bunch/twisted since he arrived here, is my best guess.
My guess is that TWS is code/acronym for twisted behaviour.
Hes not gonna take it any more ergo the utube creation via Twisted Sisters
..were right, were free, will fight yeahhhh.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI
Remember this is misc thread ergo entertainment fits it well
Remember this is misc thread ergo entertainment fits it well
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@IlDiavolo
It's the first time I see you write coherently and sanely. 😆
Well I'ts a converted to chatbotXLT { Xtra Large Truck } of data filing developed by Elonski. Now all the truths and fact run through a Muskonian filter and typed by and Android, and grammer is chcekcd and formating is granted by freedom of formatting act of 2060.
To learn more read my post #8. to learn less follow any other or even the otter path of exploration and discovery for truth via logical, common sense critical thinking, or not. We each chooose our path to ends of the finite, occupied space Universe and beyond, should you chooose to accept the pathway of Meta-space Jim
This chat will self disintegrate in 20 seconds.......music score for Mission Impossible plays.....
This chat will self disintegrate in 20 seconds.......music score for Mission Impossible plays.....
Rocket takes off for Mars.........' we will return with riches from the new world save our planet '............uh Houston we have a problem.....
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@YouFound_Lxam
The study didn't deny Global Warming.
Well that it good to hear. G. Bush Junior changed his position about global warming while if office. He finally came to accept the obvious science facts and truths in those regards, however, he fell short by saying he didnt think humans have any part in it.
Well that was before 9/11 and after some year{s} after 9/11 a new fact came onto the world stage, relating to those three days when most jet traffic ceased. Global temperatures rose at many global temp recording sites, because there was less jet fuel in the atmosphere to block out the infra-red heat frequencies hitting land and sea.
Well that was before 9/11 and after some year{s} after 9/11 a new fact came onto the world stage, relating to those three days when most jet traffic ceased. Global temperatures rose at many global temp recording sites, because there was less jet fuel in the atmosphere to block out the infra-red heat frequencies hitting land and sea.
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@FLRW
AI is algorithm intelligence, is not human intelligence on that we can agree, yes?
Roger Penrose in his book list four five intelligence functions that humans do that are not algorithmic.
One of them is common sense.
Appreciation of art is another judgement of what is art so to say.
Appreciation of art is another judgement of what is art so to say.
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@YouFound_Lxam
They actually did a study on this.
Any study that global warming is hoax by you via other is itself the hoax.
There is label for people like you who do what your doing. Taking a false narrative opposite view of the facts and truth and suggesting the false narrative is fact and truth.
Trumpeteer label perhaps. I'm sure there are others. Troll?
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@Lemming
@FLRW
That Mitchell and Webb Look - Kill All The Poor
^^^^^ the above ^^^^
is Monty Pythonic-like
..' kill all the poor
or kill all the middle class, or kill all the rich or etc
FLRW...."42: The answer to life, the universe and everything?".. Monty Pythonic-like
Elon Musk-like >>>>>> ??? AI is the answer to life, the universe and everything ???
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@Mps1213
Are you saying the greenhouse effect doesn’t exist?
Nope. Ive never stated such nor every would and have stated the opposite here at DArt former Dart and every forum Ive ever existed in.
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@Lemming
@FLRW
@Intelligence_06
ebuc, your opinion?
AI searches data bank of information, ergo, a good search with discover my Quantum Space-time Torus/Tori info, AI does not do logical, common sense critical thinking in comprehensive methodology associated with synergetic biologic life that results in complex human and humans interfacing with each other and their environment, to discover cosmic priniciples, and physical laws and with the ability to apply where and when as needed.
1......' Always start with the whole and no parts can then be excluded'..... Bucky Fuller,
2......My Cosmic Trinary/Trinity Set/Outline { think table of contents of Universe } covers that with none who have invalidated it with any logical common sense critical thinking, 01-eternally existent, Meta-space, 02-eternally existsent, macro-infinite and truly non-occupied space that, embraces/surrounds the following;
2......My Cosmic Trinary/Trinity Set/Outline { think table of contents of Universe } covers that with none who have invalidated it with any logical common sense critical thinking, 01-eternally existent, Meta-space, 02-eternally existsent, macro-infinite and truly non-occupied space that, embraces/surrounds the following;
3......Eternally existent and finite occupied space Universe and the first trinary sub-set of the above #2, is as follows:
......3a { Spirit-2 primary }......fermionic matter and bosonic forces ---yes there is a new third catagory that is hybrid of these two----- ergo physical reality aka energy aka observed { quantised } time, has numerically sequential nodal event associations in a sine-wave pattern as 0...3p.....6.....9....12......15.....18 { see 36 combinations of quark { 18 } and anti-quark { 18 } that total as 36,
0...3p....6...9...12......15.....18......21........24.........27.........30...............33....................36...........................39.......................42...........................45............................48..etc
....................see 6 kinds of electron...electron-muon....electron---tau....see as set of 3 and anti-3, total of 6
....................see 6 kinds of neutrino...muon neutrno-----tau neutrino....see as set of 3 and anti-3, total of 6
........3b { Spirit-3 primary }....ultra-micro ---ergo non-quantised nor quantified--- mass-attractive/contractive, positive ( ) geodesic ( ) curvature ( ) field ( ) of Gravity ( ),
..............invaginates [ v } from outer peak of positive curvature inwards v-inside-the-tube and creates the top peak of sine-wave pattern of the above #3, physical reality as nucleated body of our observed { quantised } existence, ergo, associated with #3a above as triangulated integrity
......numerical locations of Gravity in the overall spirally sequential linear pattern set are, as follows,
.....1.....5p v 7p......11p v 13p........17p v 19p..................23p v25......................29p v 31p....................................35 v 37p..................................................41p v 43p
.....1.....5p v 7p......11p v 13p........17p v 19p..................23p v25......................29p v 31p....................................35 v 37p..................................................41p v 43p
.....3c { Spirit-4 primary } ..ultra-micro --ergo non-quantised nor quantified--- mass-repulsive/expansive, negative )( geodesic )( curvature )( field )( of Dark Energy ---see also Dark Inflation-----
.......invaginates { ^ } from inner peak of negative curvature inwards ^-to inside-the-tube and creates the bottome peak of sine-wave pattern of the above #3, physical reality as the nucleated body of observed existence
...numerical locations of Dark Energy, in the overall spirally sequential linear pattern set, are as follows,
......2p ^ 4.....8 ^ 10.........14 ^ 16...............20 ^ 22........................26 ^ 28.......................................32 ^ 34.................................................38 ^ 40... etc
Ok? Are other with my so far? If so then continue as follows:
O3ab...the minimal, 3D, Quantum Space-time Torus has 18 nodal events, ----that has 153 lines-of-relationship----,
............and within that set of 18 nodal events, is a lesser set of 14 nodal events ---that has 91 lines-of-relationship---, that define the minimal particle integrity of Universe, the graviton-darkEon. Gravity and Dark Energy are two sides of the same coin.
........the graviton-darkEon will never be isolated out from the 18 nodal event torus. The14 nodal graviton-darkEon is composed as follows;
outer >>>>> 1................5p v 7p..............11p v 13p has five nodal events
inside >>> 0........3P............6..........9.............12... nucleated body reality has five nodal events
inside >>> 0........3P............6..........9.............12... nucleated body reality has five nodal events
inner >>>>>> 2.....^....4..............8..^.10................has four nodal events
The graviton-darkEon in Euclidean format identified as the triangulated at two ends, 3D, triangulated di-pyramid { 3 is end, 3 is girth, 3 is end } defines a tube . with no nucleated events. Nucleated version of the di-pyramid developed in all of the above that in 2D format, is inside-outed ergo tainted asymmetrical counter part the more symmetrical { purity } non-tainted and non-inside-out version. However, for morecomprehensive understanding of led to all of the above is seen at bottom of page.
The graviton-darkEon in Euclidean format identified as the triangulated at two ends, 3D, triangulated di-pyramid { 3 is end, 3 is girth, 3 is end } defines a tube . with no nucleated events. Nucleated version of the di-pyramid developed in all of the above that in 2D format, is inside-outed ergo tainted asymmetrical counter part the more symmetrical { purity } non-tainted and non-inside-out version. However, for morecomprehensive understanding of led to all of the above is seen at bottom of page.
All other particles of Universe fermionic matter and bosonic forces, and they are resultant of two, three four or more overlapping and interfering Quantum Space-time Tori. OK? Got that?
Symmetrical, 2D numerically linear exploration for any patterning of prime numbers, that, led to a 2D hexagon composed of six radii, ---not shown in this page--- with zero { 0 } being at the 2D nuclear center, with 1, 2p 3p, 4, 5p, 6 in first shell around 0, then a leap to next shell beginning with 7p, 8, 9, 10, 11p, 12, the leap to next shell etc.
0......................6.............................12....................................18..................................24.......etc.
....1.............5p.....7p...............11p.......13p....................17p........19p..................23p.......25..etc
.......2p.....4...............8......10.......................14.........16.......................20.......22.....................etc
...........3p......................9...................................15...................................21...........................etc
This above is pretty good summary of what ive come to believe, and some of how i got to those beliefs.
2D Euclidean ex a triangle structural integrity 3-ness
2D pattern of systemic four-ness integrity --see also the four lines, also Arthur Youngs { Bell Helicopter } four lines that began with 1----, that begins numerical 0.
3D volumetric systemic integrity and structural integrity as presented by Bucky Fuller with his Vector -Equilibrium { equanimity as God of chords 24 >< 24 radii ergo 12 sphericals around nuclear 1 spherical.
2D lattice of symmetrical purity shown above
2D lattice of asymmetrical tainted version of purity turned inside-out and rolled into 3D as,
2D Euclidean ex a triangle structural integrity 3-ness
2D pattern of systemic four-ness integrity --see also the four lines, also Arthur Youngs { Bell Helicopter } four lines that began with 1----, that begins numerical 0.
3D volumetric systemic integrity and structural integrity as presented by Bucky Fuller with his Vector -Equilibrium { equanimity as God of chords 24 >< 24 radii ergo 12 sphericals around nuclear 1 spherical.
2D lattice of symmetrical purity shown above
2D lattice of asymmetrical tainted version of purity turned inside-out and rolled into 3D as,
3D spiarilly numerical sequence, with di-polar invaginations, as the Quantum Space-time Tori that overlap and interfere, to create all quantum particles of our eternally existent --- and in dynamic transformation---, finite, occupied space Universe. Ok? Understand?
Questions? Many that I dont have answer for. Some I do, or so I believe.
Lemming..."42"... Lem, see that 42 is 3a catagory of reality. I use it in my Cosmic Pi-TIme { 66.4 } explorations for fun/jest. 66.4 minus 24.4 = 42. I have thread of all that some where in DArt.
Questions? Many that I dont have answer for. Some I do, or so I believe.
Lemming..."42"... Lem, see that 42 is 3a catagory of reality. I use it in my Cosmic Pi-TIme { 66.4 } explorations for fun/jest. 66.4 minus 24.4 = 42. I have thread of all that some where in DArt.
Intel....."Should we build AI systems so that it thinks like an augmented human?"........AI does not think like human, as I mentioned in first parragraph of my above summary. See some of Roger Penrose's comments in those regards also.
..."The field of human augmentation (sometimes referred to as “Human 2.0”) focuses on creating cognitive and physical improvements as an integral part of the human body. An example is using active control systems to create limb prosthetics with characteristics that can exceed the highest natural human performance."...
The ultimate augumentation would be that of the brain function, not just limbs. How far can this go, nobody knows, however, it may never get off the ground if human extinguish themselves before such AI potentials are ever developed. As Fuller like to say, there are no guarantees humanity will pass their test by God/Universe as to whether they can exist in Universe, without destroying themselves.
It is a race to use logical common sense critical thinking enough with enough people in agreement, to get beyond each hurdle God/Universe will present to us via own self actions on Earth. The more intelligent aliens are not coming to save us.
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@FLRW
Did you notice that Sir.Lancelot is Con on his Global Warming/Climate Change is a hoax topic?
Con or corn as in corny thought processing.
1,043,830,278 billion and growing,
..... eating, using finite set of resources, over polluting environment with their wastes,
......causing erratic climate change, without enough recognition pf the ecological environment that,
......sustain there greed for taking more and more, with not enough return to their life sustaining Earth.
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@Vegasgiants
1,043,830,278 billion and growing,
..... eating, using finite set of resources, over polluting environment with their wastes,
......causing erratic climate change, without enough recognition pf the ecological environment that,
......sustain there greed for taking more and more, with not enough return to their life sustaining Earth.
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Four primary kinds of Spirit
Spirit-2 { eternally existent } , = finite set of occupied space energy aka physical reality aka observed { quantised } time aka nucleation of Quantum Space-time Tori ergo fermionic matter and bosonic forces --a third new discover exists, that is hybrid of these two---,
......2a} Spirit-3 { eternally existent }, finite set of ultra-micro, positive geodesic ( ) of Gravity { contractive mass-attraction }
......2c} Spirit-4 { eternally existent }, finite set of ultra-micro, negative geodesic )( of Dark Energy { expansive mass-repulsion }
----------conceptual/abstract line-of-demarcation-----------------
3} Spirit-1 { eternally existent } Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego/i ex concepts of Space, Time, Universe, Gravity, Triangles, Dogs, baseballs etc, that, have no mass, no spin, no charge, no color, no taste, no occupied space.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Rat..man..... I was born to argue, born to critically think and challenge.
Yet blocks me for a year, until her runs for pres. and I remind him of his block, so he unblocks.
Then he looses and with a week blocks me again.
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@oromagi
@ponikshiy
..." 2023 Doomsday Clock Announcement
January 24, 2023
January 24, 2023
.....This year, the Science and Security Board of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moves the hands of the Doomsday Clock forward, largely (though not exclusively) because of the mounting dangers of the war in Ukraine. The Clock now stands at 90 seconds to midnight—the closest to global catastrophe it has ever been"....
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@Greyparrot
@ADreamOfLiberty
Do I make you crazy Ebuc? Asking for a friend.
o6/29/23..." Former Ohio House Speaker sentenced to 20 years in prison for leading racketeering conspiracy involving $60 million in bribes "...
Your behavior attempts that on all logical common sense critical thinkers
Chaos is only the inability of Meta-space mind to find the underlying order of the circumstances we find our selves in.
Made, past tense. The bisected toroid is fully formed in his mind.
Yes it is in vertical and horizontal orientations. There there is dipolar invaginations to create the sine-wave associated nucleated reality in inside each Quantum Space-time Torus/Tori
.......space.........( * ) i ( * )...........space......
The ultra-MAGA conservative right shoot themselve in foot.
06/29/23...." Former Ohio House Speaker sentenced to 20 years in prison for leading racketeering conspiracy involving $60 million in bribes "...
All of these virtual rapist conservatives need mental institution time, to address the sick-n-head lack of healthy attittude towards pregnant women and body autonomy.
When dogs poo on sidewalk responsible people clean there poo. If it does not occur then responsible people and/or government steps in to assist.
I Want Mr and Mrs Roosevelt to help guide us on a moral path to victory over the immoral ultra-right conservative MAGA cult of nutter.
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@FLRW
OMG its Jack Ryan on our forum! We are saved we are saved at last! Yippie Yay!
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@Greyparrot
When China has friends like Putin, who needs enemies?
Yeah I saw the graphic of Xin saying to self in the cloud...." why do I have the worst friends ' .....or something l like that. Funny
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@Greyparrot
With enemies like these, who needs friends?
Friends-of-humanity flock together.
Friends of the false narrative flock together.
Conflict resolution is why politicians going to China to avert economic global dissaster.
Conflict resolution is why politicians going to China to avert economic global dissaster.
The ego of false narrative can only come away with egg on their Meta-space face. Other wise it is curtains for humanity by 2060 give or take 200 years
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..."Attorney Lin Wood, who filed legal challenges seeking to overturn Donald Trump's 2020 election loss, is relinquishing his law license, electing to retire from practicing rather than face possible disbarment. Multiple states have weighed disciplining him for pushing Trump's false claims that he defeated Joe Biden.
....On Tuesday, Wood asked officials in his home state of Georgia to “retire” his law license in light of “disciplinary proceedings pending against me.” In the request, made in a letter and posted on his Telegram account, Wood acknowledges that he is “prohibited from practicing law in this State and in any other state or jurisdiction and that I may not reapply for admission.”
These conservative nutter of false narrative fears ego death ergo reliquishes his law license to save ego egg on his face.
All of them are sick in the head and need mental care to get back on track to civilized friend of humanity instead of enemy of humanity. Sad :--(
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.The Great Mental Divide clearly explained. the relation between schizoid and autism.
This is great vid on mental illness that is done simply, not lots of technical jargon. Done by person who has read lots of articles on the subject. I think alludes to being austic himself. I dunno. Hope you have a chance to watch beginnings if not the whole.
This is great vid on mental illness that is done simply, not lots of technical jargon. Done by person who has read lots of articles on the subject. I think alludes to being austic himself. I dunno. Hope you have a chance to watch beginnings if not the whole.
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@Vegasgiants
I know what i do, is to post the truth over the last two years in those regards. Else where been posting it since I go on internet is 90's
old news for us friends of humanity.
The nutter false narrative is always with us regarding greenhouse effect >>>> global warming >>> erratic climate = Old news for us friends-of-humanity :--))
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@Sir.Lancelot
Greyparrot is on Holiday Vacation and returns either today or tomorrow.
What no orange honey bees then?
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..." Scientists said a combination of parasites, pesticides, starvation and climate change keep causing large die-offs. Last year's 48% annual loss is up from the previous year's loss of 39% and the 12-year average of 39.6%, but it's not as high as 2020-202 1's 50.8% mortality rate, the survey found. "..
https://time.com/6289288/us-honeybee-colony-collapse-2022/
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@FLRW
The USA is Broke!
Humanity is broke in spirit and economics because current application of economics is destroying the biologic environment that sustains us al, ergo, and the best option for fixing this issue is a one-for-all and all-for-one, spiritual mentality. Anything less than that is not going to work.
Spirits is always the basis for all transactions. To feed and shelter our spirit. Any humans not fed and sheltered is a drain on humanities spirit of empathy and compassion for self via how we treat others.
Barbarism is no longer the answer when we have so many nuclear weapons sitting around. Remove the nuclear weapons and barbarism is less likely to wipe out humanity in short amount of time. Do we really want to revert back to barberism of olden days? Dumb humans.
Barbarism is no longer the answer when we have so many nuclear weapons sitting around. Remove the nuclear weapons and barbarism is less likely to wipe out humanity in short amount of time. Do we really want to revert back to barberism of olden days? Dumb humans.
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..."By mapping the points on the floor where this happened, the researchers discovered that the points where the neurons fired mapped out a grid of equilateral triangles. The arrangement was so well-defined that the researchers initially suspected an equipment malfunction."...
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Hexagon Brain Coral
Count the hexagons. I said 33
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The Odds of life coming into existence by chance alone is 1x10^40. The number of planets in the Universe is 2x10^25.
And with context of an eternally existent and transforming, finite, occupied space Universe, those odds can be met eternally, i.e. over and over and over again etc......
Logical common sense critical thinking deduction?
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Published in nature by two Nobel winning scientist
A hexagon on surface of a torus ---halo--- in our brain.
Start at 3:00 ..evntually get to 5:05 to see resultant torus
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Got to 14:10 ofr the story.....and artic ice for this time of year is at new all time low
In 90's conservatives poo pooed greenhouse effect
then around 2000 Bush finally agreed planet is warming but he wouldnt agree that humans were the cause.
Repubulican conservatives are lack moral and intellectual integrity, for the most part.
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halo as torus...( O )......predated the disk
..." Because of its pagan origin, the form was avoided in early Christian art, but a simple circular nimbus was adopted by Christian emperors for their official portraits."
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@zedvictor4
As things are, we are comparing millions of years of organic evolution with only a hundred or so years of electronic computing.
No truer thought Zed. Good one......so many things that can reduce organic human back to fundamental basics of surviing or surrounding environment i.e. set of circumstances each of will meet on this stream of consciousness we label....life-time......what a trip it has been, eh Zed? ;--)) )) )) )) ))) )))))) ))))))))) )))))))))))))))))))))
Remmember to exercise for active on..........compassion for sell in order to have compassion for those around us...........then focus on choice til the angle of trajecotry takes a more sharper or wider point of view on what is best for self with immediate space and broader set of circumstances.
To ponder, where ive chosen evntually gives way to a greater set of cause and effect and the micro-biologic self identity, drifts away.
But hell Zed Im not their today, so back out there and with my saefty shoes on, kick lightly, those articles of this or that, out of my way, comlete the mission of my trajectory. Out with the old and in with the new.
Its a silver and gold life we live in USA. It is for all humans it is diifferrent. Survival on the edge more........getting by.......I realize how fortunate I am.....and will need to cry, to release the tensions. Spring a small leak........
But hell Zed Im not their today, so back out there and with my saefty shoes on, kick lightly, those articles of this or that, out of my way, comlete the mission of my trajectory. Out with the old and in with the new.
Its a silver and gold life we live in USA. It is for all humans it is diifferrent. Survival on the edge more........getting by.......I realize how fortunate I am.....and will need to cry, to release the tensions. Spring a small leak........
Drink water and hydrate is bottom line and important through out the day. Futures not ours to see...casra sara......Doris Day 1950'3
Future looks bleak and it also looks bright, if a change my mind. :--) Bye Zed
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@Rieka
1} look how much human population has exploded in last 60 > 100 > 150 years.
2 } Exploiting Earths resources only to discard 30 percent ---or more--- of stuff in to landfills and ocean.
3} Yes we have the Peacekeeper hydrogen bombs, that, were reduced during late 80's early 90's due to enough humans realizing how dangerous Mutual Assured Destruction { M.A.D. } was at that time.
4} so we stopped having near error alerts, of hydrogen bomb missiles being fired, when they were not laucnched, and we stopped having 24 hrs a day bomber in the air ready to strike USA or USSR at moments notice. Many young people dont have the grasp of revolution of consciouness in 70's 80's where more of humanity got on board with what many scientists from 40's and 50's already knew. Humannity was on verge of nuts with M.A.D.
5} then in same time period we heard about greenhouse effect > later global warming > then erratic climate change and in USA we saw these 15 years of new record breaking global temps starting in the 90's.
6} so here we are, humans buring away the trees for rancing in rain forests, overfishing, trapping so many fish and mamnals in their nets only for them to die on used.
7} acidity and warming of oceans killing off millions of years old coral reefts
8} If some young people in last 30 years have been paying attention, it is no wonder that some or so many decide on suicide. Yes those who know stock market know that pace were going the markets look good in long run to continue to rob Earths resouces for increasing human population who are greedy and ignorant ---partially because so many of authority ---most republicans-- are lying to them about what humans are doing to Earth/Natural World
9} when Saudis struck oil, what a shift we began to see in the world. So much oil, any solar and electric got put in back room in early 1900's. The oil boon was on and humanity was off to the races, to harvest and control be in control ---for profit capitalism--- world wide. USSR never stood a chance of competing with the free market.
10} There is long list of pollution taking place by humans on Earth and markets are the primary guide governments to keep being greedy, robbing Earth resources and to be wastful { keep hidden if possible } so as humans can only see the bright side of life. So much stuff on the aisles at stores. Yes, the hispanics have been seeing what the gringo's have for a hundred years or more, and when that wealth is not trickling onto their countries poor, those poor in enviromentally bad .' circumstances look north and see potential paradise compared their lives.
11} well humanity, in words of Davd Byrne ' how did we get this way ', where did that beatiful wife come from, where did that beautiful house come from......and that translate to humans all of the world who are so much richer than those of world have so little. It does not compute. It shows lack of compassion. It shows greed before humanity.
12} all of the above no win of humanity in long term, and with erratic climate change that longer term is getting expoentially shorter and translates to how humans going each other in coming years. Prosperity has to slow, and be shared so as humanity feels a spirit of one-for-all and all-for-one, at a minimum.
One Earth and one peoples. Or all hell is going break loose in more and more places. War is hell. It would be so much better for humanity not to go there.
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Not yet.
Roger Penrose { genius? } set out four things AI { algorithm } would never to.
1}.." Penrose believes that consciousness is not computational. Our awareness is not simply a mechanistic byproduct, like something you can make a machine do. And to understand consciousness, you need to revolutionize our understanding of the physical world. In particular, Penrose thinks the answer to consciousness may lie in a deeper knowledge of quantum mechanics."...continued below >>>>
Superposition { quantum entanglement vai qubits } is binary set that is both 0/off and 1/on at same time
>>>..." Yet, a 2013 study by Japanese scientists added some proof to the theory by Penrose and Hameroff as researchers detected vibrations in the microtubules."...
2} appreciation of beauty art etc,
Go to 6:20 where Penrose shows how humans have access to understanding in ways AI does not.
He goes on then about understanding ' infinite ' Anyway I forget the exact four so in last post I was recalling best as i could.
See also 14:00 how understanding trancends via turing and godel rules about mathatics
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@Greyparrot
Meet the new Trump, same as the old Trump
Do you even begin to grasp why IRoose calls some around here morons?
Trump makes thousand of lies and misdirection before, during and after his presidency. That is thousands more than Biden.
Not to mention Trumps are of much more signifcance than any Biden may have told. Get a grip on reality OGP, and maybe IRoose would not call you a moron.
That goes for the other conservatives around here also. The only thing they like to conserve is immorality. May moderate conservative republicans have much better grasp of reality.
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..#14....A place for everything and everything in its place. Nuclear weapons under systemic operational control = bad idea...
A worse idea might be placing a single immoral { lack of moral intergrity } human --or set of immoral 5--- in control of nuclear weapons.
AI cannot intuit what is art and what is not.
AI cannot intuit that which is not solely algorythmic
AI cannot intuit common sense consciousness
AI cannot intuit human consciousness's ability to grasp beauty
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...You all know that this is the only planet in the Universe that has intelligent life, don't you?..
Yeah sure, to best of our knowledge. Rare Earth and even rarer intelligent life, or so we believe.
I think there is other intelligent life in Universe.
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@FLRW
Intelligence genes are located on chromosome X. Since women carry two of the X chromosome, children are twice as likely to get their level of intelligence from mom.
Does not surprise me. Woman has X x and the smaller/compacted x is the Barr body. In 90s, they discovered that 18 genes -- I dont know which ones or what they affect-- stay active on Barr body x By now they may have discoverd more than 18 that stay active on the Barr Body x.
Man X y ...Woman X x is a systemic fourness for the most complex biologic entities we know to exist in Universe.
4 = systemic
3 = structural
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@Critical-Tim
A place and time for everything and everything in its correct time and place.
..." Why Agonize Over Hiroshima, Not Dresden?
...First, the key facts about the bombing of Dresden on the night of February 13-14, 1945, 10 weeks before Germany’s surrender, when everyone knew that Germany was beaten: Dresden was a beautiful Baroque city known as the Florence of the north. It had no war industry and little military value.
.....Its population of 630,000 had been doubled by German refugees, mainly peasants from Silesia fleeing the Red Army."..
...." he concerted British and American attack dropped 650,000 incendiary bombs, causing a firestorm engulfing eight square miles and killing an estimated 135,000 men, women and children."....
There is old saying that ' all is fair in love and war ', i.e. there are no rules, even tho there was some attempt at some humanism on the battefield. Dont shoot those surrending {white flag }? Dont shoot red cross medical personnel?
To what ever extent most, many, on average, less than half, will sacrifice morality and kill even when not immediately neccessary. Sometimes out of rage, sometimes out of other reasons.
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@TWS1405_2
He's just a troll getting off on disrupting anyone's and everyone's attempt at engaging in an honest debate/discussion within the forum section.
Lets assume he and others like you are trolls. What are the key significant differrences in the trolls?
Use of intelligence that is 90% spot on with IRoose assessments vs others with less perecentage of intelligent comments.
Use of truth that is 90% spot on with IRoose, much less with other trolls here.
Use of more immature language that is 60% vs others who are same, less or more.
Then there is whatever else i'm forgeting or not aware of. Ex is the info by IRoosev offerred more valid some percentage of the time, than other trolls. I dunno. My guess is, YES.
Soul-of-information/data.....Soul-of-spirit..........Soul-of-intent.........Soul-of-accomplisment......etc
A few months back I was banned from Discord group for using word troll and their policy didnt allow for that word to be used. I thought it might be s 10 or 2 week ban. I waited and attempted to communicate with mods about how long of a ban. I got back zilch, becuase the mods and many of those who didnt like me were trolls themselves.
It came as no wonder to me why they wanted policy of not using word troll as it was point of truth straight to many of the member soul.
It came as no wonder to me why they wanted policy of not using word troll as it was point of truth straight to many of the member soul.
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@Reece101
Poker, at its best is about being able to read --catch tell-tale-signs--- of what your opponent is holding.
Chess is game of memory of winning moves.
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AI and nuclear weapon control......"In 1983, Soviet Air Defense Forces Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov was monitoring nuclear early warning systems, when the computer concluded with the highest confidence that the United States had launched a nuclear war.
...But Petrov was doubtful: The computer estimated only a handful of nuclear weapons were incoming, when such a surprise attack would more plausibly entail an overwhelming first strike. He also didn’t trust the new launch detection system, and the radar system didn’t have corroborative evidence.""
A place for everything and everything in its place. Nuclear weapons under systemic operational control = bad idea
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@ADreamOfLiberty
ebuc is the answer to the question:
And does above directly address any of my 13 statements in post #152.
5} naught is created nor destroyed, only transformed,
......5a} --repeat >>past >> arrow of time >>>> future >>>>
......5b} <<<< past <<< out << ( * i * ) << in <<< future <<< repeat
13} what is a quantum field?
Gravity = 1...5-7....11-13...17-19....23-25.....29-31 poops around to meet itself
reality = time = ^v^v^v
......3...........9............15.........21..............27..........loops around to meet itself
0..........6...........12...........18.........24...............30...loops around to meet itself
reality = time = ^v^v^v
Dark Energy = 2-4...8-10...14-16...20-22.........26-28 loops around to meet itself
So four aspects of quantum field --my wild speculation--- positive outer( inside^v^v-inside )inner negative
......G( ( ( (DE) )) )G..........birds-eye-view of the above four loops that form a bisecting set of planes of Quantum Space-time Torus
Another way DArt could end is similar to Hawkings Radiation---see evaporating black holes--- leaking the soul-of-information out of DArt via the splitting of virtual particles { identities } at the event horizon of DArt.
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Rat-M.....What is the answer
? 1} 42 ?
2} community ( 20 }
3] family { 5 }
4} twoness = otherness
5} naught is created nor destroyed, only transformed, --repeat >>>> arrow of time >>>>
6} <<<< past <<< out << ( * i * ) << in <<< future <<<
7} Gravitational contraction ( ) Dark Energy expansion )( --(-> ^v dipolarity ^v <-(---
8} what goes in, must come out again ----null geodesic aka singularity ------)(-----
9} Cosmically finite WOW! .....(>------*------<)^<-)v-<)^<--)v<-)<-->(->^(-->v(->^(->v(>------*------<)............
10} where does the entropic heat death fit into all of this above? Or is invalid theory now? Aka eternal rest. Next time wife asks why shop is in such a mess, just Universe moving toward chaos. Entropy does not rest, it is transformed or should we say precessed by the relationship between Gravity and Dark Energy.
11} Is DArt moving toward chaos?
12} to structurally stablize twoness, threeness { triangle } exists. Fourness { square } exists to allow for eternal transformation between structure of Gravity and Dark Energy.
13}
Gravity = 1...5-7....11-13...17-19....23-25.....29-31
reality = time = ^v^v^v
......3...........9............15.........21..............27..........
0..........6...........12...........18.........24...............30...
reality = time = ^v^v^v
Dark Energy = 2-4...8-10...14-16...20-22.........26-28
14} all that exists is moderation/modification of angle and frequency ...B fuller
15} interfering and non-interfering patterns operating in pure principle...B Fuller
16} when the illusion is seemingly manifest as occupied space....ebucukoo bird >>> in consideration of Jacob Bekenstien ergo holographic considerations via Leonard Susskin string theory and quantum entanglement
17} DArt came together, ---><--- and it may go entropically go apart ---->---> null geodesic aka singularity
Rat Man blocked me again. Only took him three days. :--O
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