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@YouFound_Lxam
What caused that infinitely hot and dense single point to come into existence?
eternally ex naught is created nor destroyed---associated with eternal-- type thinking, associated with law of conservation
What caused time to start?
Invagination from eternally existent, Gravity as positve space and Dark Energy as negative space, as found with my space-time tori.
And if no one can answer that, then there is proof of "a" higher being of some sort.
I have above, in brief form.
Your alternative is something I transmuted after mulling over some of Zeds stuff and other elsewhere.
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Access to Meta-space mind allows humans the unique ability to conceptualize a finite Universe, and then conceptually place themselves outside of the conceptual Universe, as if they are a creator God, that the holds this conceptual Universe in its* conceptual hands.
.....Creator Godi i..e Creator God i.........i.e. Godi { * U * ) not God, is the creator concept.
..................space( Godi )space.....
...................Godi{ space }Godi......
....space(> time <) Godi (> time <) space...
.......space( /\/\/ ) Godi ( /\/\/ )space.....
Oh great Godi, why has thou forsaken us?
Godi is the fantasy computers answer to everything ergo Godi is 42. ..." In 1997, Major League Baseball honored Jackie Robinson by making his No. 42 the first uniform number to be retired across the sport. ".... Jakie Robinson is perhaps the 19th or more incarnation of Godi on Earth, and he had no idea; ;--)
jackie movie
" 42" is on Netflix if you havnt seen it. Come to think of it, I could do a cosmological
scenario using 6 { purity/regular hexagon } * 7 { structural-3 + sysetmic-4 } = 42 ergo,
Meta-space as 6 { 3 + 3 and 4 + 2 },
Meta-space 7 as 60 degree stable structure 3-ness plus unstable 90 degree systemic 4-ness
This would be saying it is all Meta-space mind/intellect/concept ergo Fullers statement, ..." what we have is inter-fering and non-interfering patterns operating in pure principle", or,
jacob bekensteins comment in Scientific American, that, " we appear to be 2D creatures having an illusion of 3D"......see the above 2D hexagon, that infolds as
the next higher { ergo hyper } dimension. See B grpahic in LINK
So after 7 days of creation --- see above number 7 and--- , Godi { as number 42 } retired from being the creator? Oh My Godi, have we finally found the secret to life, the cosmos and everything. Ha ha, .... ?( * | * )? ......
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@zedvictor4
More on cosmological consciousness ideas that you Zed, are having difficulty clarifying.
Access to Meta-space mind allows humans the unique ability to conceptualize a finite Universe, and then conceptually place themselves outside of the conceptual Universe, as if they are a creator God, that the holds this conceptual Universe in its* conceptual hands.
.....Creator Godi* ( * U * ) Creator God i.........i.e. Godi { * U * ) not God, is the creator concept, that I would say is Zed's God principle. Who knows since they never oferf much clarity.
..................space( Godi )space.....
...................Godi{ space }Godi......
....space(> time <) Godi (> time <) space...
.......space( /\/\/ ) Godi ( /\/\/ )space.....
Oh great Godi, why has thou forsaken us?
Oh wait, now I get it it. Since you Zed, are including the word "simulation", then you must mean Godi is the fantasy computers answer to everything ergo Godi is 42. ..." In 1997, Major League Baseball honored Jackie Robinson by making his No. 42 the first uniform number to be retired across the sport. "....
movie 42 is on Netflix Come to thing of it I could do a cosmological scenario using 6 { purity } * 7 { structural + sysetmic } = 42 ergo,
Meta-space as 6 { 3 + 3 and 4 + 2 },
Meta-space 7 as 60 degree stable structure 3-ness plus unstable 90 degree systemic 4-ness
This would be saying it is all Meta-space mind/intellect/concept ergo Fullers statement, ..." what we have is inter-fering and non-interfering patterns operating in pure principle", or,
jacob bekensteins comment in Scientific American, that, " we appear to be 2D creatures having an illusion of 3D"......
So after 7 days of creation --- see above number 7 and--- , Godi { as number 42 } retired from being the creator? Oh My Godi, have we finally found the secret to life, the cosmos and everything. Ha ha, ....?( * | * )?......
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@zedvictor4
Zed, here is interesting utube of a much greater inclusion of cosmological-like scenarios, --involving consciousness ideas--, that, rather than you the brief and also micro-irrrelevant one. You need to consideration whats in this vid to broaden your irrelevances to more common relevance humans ancient concepts, that may overlap with some current cosmological scenarios, to varying degrees.
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@zedvictor4
Nonetheless, eternally regenerative universe is a scenario that I have been proposing for a long while.
No where in this thread ' Cosmological Scenarios ' have you mentioned "eternally regenerative universe "
Your still stretching out your micro-irrelevant concepts.
Though I always question whether the system or sequence, is reliant on something more than just universal decline, material re-initiation and material evolution.
Zed, this more wasted mystical play with words by you.
Something more, or GOD principle as I refer to it.
Meangingless, and youve added nothing in all of your posts to clarify.
My bafflement is with the functionality of living organisms. and their interaction with an assumed environment.
Yeah, well you did make that distinction from Cosmos, God Universe or anything else prior to this post.
Cosmological infers the most comprehensive whole set. You have none. You have no cosmological scenario.
At best your ego just keeps stretching-out ___.___.___.___ micro-irrelevancies.
You have no cosmological scenario Zed.
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@zedvictor4
I find the whole concept of existence and reality quite baffling.
Like most people, that is a resultant of not being able to grasp a finite { occupied space } and eternally regenerative Universe.
Most only want to superficially envision what is more difficult to grasp A spatially infinite occupied space Universe.
This goes to basic of human ignorance.
The cosmos that we experience is actually an internal simulation, derived and converted from external light sources.
I get your internal part. That iologic life.
The simulation is mysterious mystical play on words, concepts etc to keep it all who attempt to enter Zed mind-set off-centered, never really knowing what is what, why, when etc.
An external light source you do not clarify specifically, ergo, were stand around wondering wtf their talking about. More mysticism output by Zed-the-wizard who will never tell their secret knoeledge.
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@zedvictor4
Therefore everything that you experience has to be re-created within yourself.
Yes, we all mind meld with others, however, unlike Spock, we just need I ears to have anothers thoughts transferred to our brains.
Then were experiencing and living in their mind when we do, to what ever degree. Same goes for reading a book etc.
We are imprisoned only by what is possible. inviolate physical laws and cosmic principles are eternally beyond, to varying degrees.
Ex it is eternally impossible to consider more that five regular/symmetrical, and convex polyhedra.
three are all triangles { 3 chords },
one all squares { 4 chords } and,
one all pentagons { 5 chords }
We can consider speeds faster than EMRadiation, --in a vacuum--- but only as mathematical fantasy, not as realistic, empirically observed endeavor.
And of course none of this disscussion involves cosmic scenarios to any relevant degree, tho what Ive expressed is true and the latter parts of yours are not true.
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@zedvictor4
But do you notice from that comment, you are well and truly imprisoned within your own mind.
False Zed, cause when we listen to others were experiencing their thoughts ergo in their minds, not ours, or at a minimum, a blending of the two, three or more
I have one friend diagnosed autistic and germ-aphobic extreme and OCD extreme. My other friend says..'I would sure hate to live in his mind'.... and I have to remind him, that, every time we around him were living in his mind, because, he verbalizes this OCD thoughts for five minutes repetitively out loud for all to hear.
It drove me crazy from day one, and now Ive had to be around them for 2.5 years.
Also Zed, we are not the same person we were yesterday, or a week or year or ten years ago. All is constant change/transition. You need to go back to, and grasp the jitterbug VE, as Fullers dynamic, articulative, operating system of Universe i.e. constant flux/change/transition.
...' start with the whole and no parts can be excluded '.. R B Fuller
When we watch tv, movies or read a book, were living in someone elses mind. The only imprisonment is that of the finite, occupied space Universe, and its complementary finite set of physical laws and cosmic principles and these complement beginnings and endings [ terminality } to all of individual parts of Universe.
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inner negative surface of torus )( events
outer positive surface of torus ( ) events
events
inside sine-wave associated volume/body of reality / \ / \ / 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 etc events
......space( time )( time )space....observed time
..........space( * ) i ( * )space.....i = Meta-space
religion = personal integrity toolbox
spirituality = personal, global and Universal integrity toolbox
Aum or Om said to be the Universal sound/vibration { /\/\/\/ }of Universe
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@FLRW
I think ebuc is just showing that there are some people on this forum that have an IQ over 130.
If we can read --thank you mom and dad for access to public school--- and have access to Google, then easy to raise our IQ given time .." my education has been one of my biggest impediments to my learning "..A Einstien
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6{ hexa } * 7 { hepta } = 42. Fantasy computers answer to everything.
Hexa-God is the VE defined by its four hexagonal
planes, whose area = the surface area of the spherical VE. thank you
Archimedes and welcome to black hole volume expressed on its event
horizon surface.
Hepta { 7 } primary axis sets of the aforementioned 4-fold VE { 3, 4,
6, 1 2 } and 5-fold icosa{20}hedron { 6, 10, 15 } total to 56 great
planes, however, the latter 5-fold has left and right-skew set of 31
bringing total to 87 primary great planes of our finite, occupied space
Universe/God/The Whole-Sha-Bang/Cosmos/Great Mama and eternity. { never ending, perpetual motion machine }.
3-fold = structural integrity
4-fold = systemic integrity
3 + 4 = 7
So in the above, we cover, 3 { 2D } planar area, 4 { 2^2 }, 5 { 3 odd
prime + 2 even prime }, 6 { hexa-god }, and 7 { the prime set Hepta-God vs Hexa-God vs 42 God :--))... }
We can do a semi-classical numero-logical process and add the above five
numbers to arrive at the 25 { 5^5 } and when we take the Euclidean the
Hexa-God VE's opposing characteristics, edges { 24 }, vertexia{ 12 }, openings { 14 } we have 25 axi, ergo, 25 axis spun great circle planes,
If we follow the initial sets of twin primes { 7 individual primes ...3p, 5p, 7p...11p,
13p, 17p, 19p... them },
---3-5, 5-7, 11-13, 17-19, 25 should have
been the fifth twin prime { ....23p-25... } yet is not.
2, 3-5-7, 11-13, 17-19, 23 = nine initial primes,
before 25 puts the first stop to the pattern of twin primes and what
should have been the 10th prime number
5....10...15...20....25 with
25 being a conceptually-dynamic, spin-motion set of vector trajectories via 25 of VE, vs, the more static Euclidean set of via 24 vectors of VE.
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@Greyparrot
OGP, so your Trumpet mind-set has not shut-out your ability to access artistic beauty. Yay!
0.5 points for OGP, for their non-AI abilities to appreciate Gravity, binary Light and Dark, embedded in Piano { stringed } music.
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@zedvictor4
F for fantasy.
Your micro-irrelevant consciouness fantasy does not = cosmological anything. If your done wiht this lack of logical common sense Zed, I would like to get back to my past thoughts.
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@Greyparrot
There's only 2 ways I know of to do that. 2/3 majority of Congress or armed revolt
You getting dementia OGP?
Trumpets been shouting it from pulpit to his 60 million cult of misfits and the white house for 6 years now?.
Maybe multiple choice statements confuses your ability to accecss logical common sense.
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Piano Dance takes you up, it brings you down, it plants you feet back firmly on the ground. "Timothy Leary's dead, no to no its outside looking in" Moody Blues
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@zedvictor4
Zed, I dont think much of your thoughts as being a cosmological scenario.
You need a consciousness thread. Twoness, > othernerss > awareness > consciousness > etc.
This is far { micro-irrelevant } to cosmological scenarios.
YOu get a P for persistent
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@zedvictor4
Zed, I dont think much of your thoughts as being a cosmological scenario.
You have ma.y good thoughts, concepts oppinions on various topics. Not on this one.
E for effort
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@zedvictor4
In terms of data input, data assessment and the formulation of data for output, everything is relative. (Understanding)
Murphys law { human adage ] and inviolate laws and principles, as I presented to you are not data. They are Meta--space concepts/intellect.
And Murphy's Law basically defines pessimism, and vice versa. An inbuilt expectancy that things will go wrong, rather than an inbuilt expectancy that things will go as planned.
No it does not. Read above about a Meta-space concept/intellect.
So, I questioned if A.I. was likely to be consistently optimistic in its approach to cosmological/evolutionary progress, relative to how intellect affects material development and therefore how intellect might also affect cosmological scenarios.
Pessimism is attitude that stems from feeling { emotion/soul/heart }. Not intellectual concept except as a word { tool } to express emotion/soul/heart lack of desire, lack of purpose, lack of hope, faith etc.
Also, neither Murphy's Law, pessimism nor optimism have any relevance to the prospect of eternity, other than as intellectual data assessment concerning the prospect of eternity.
False, because again, all pessism and AI, are relative within a context, and I specified what that context is, in the broadest { most inclusive } terms, that, all our body/emotions/soul/heart are of a finite, eternally existent, occupied space Universe { Nature }.
Whereby collectively, cosmological scenarios are not determined by what will be, but by what we think might be.
Yes, a this thread as aplace for cosmological ---- Cosmos/Universe/Nature--- scenarios relating to its existence. Our individual pessimism and AI is irrelevant to the Cosmos/Universe/Nature.
Murphys law and inviolate laws principles are related to directly the duration of Cosmos/Universe/Natures existence
And all thought is relative to the device, whether that be organic or other.
Your thoughts of cosmological scenarios are relevant. AI and pessimism are not.
Further, fear of the unknown is a human condition consistent with the principle of Murphy's Law.
Irrelevant to cosmological scenarios
Wherein we will predict pessimistically, relative to our fear of the unknown.
Irrelevant to cosmological scenarios
All of which comes under the relative umbrella of electro-chemical data management.
Zed, your reaching far to stretch out your irrelevance toughts to any cosmological scenarios
Zed > ______.__>__.__>___.__>__ > Zed *|* Zed___<____.__<__.__<___.___<_____ Zed
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@zedvictor4
I was addressing Murphy's Law relative to possible future cosmological developments, in which A.I. might play a key role.
Murphys law you had not mentioned, I did. AI or not is irrelevant to Murphys law.
Pessimism might or might not be a human failing, so A.I. might be the necessary next evolutionary/cosmological phase, in terms of intellectual development.
Pessimism is irrelevant to Murphys law.
Whereby fear of the unknown does not stymie progress.
Fear of unknown is irrelevant to Murphys law.
Murphys law = anything that can go wrong, within context of eternity, will occur, sooner or later.
Murphys law = anything that can occur, within the context of eternity, will occur, sooner or later.
Inviolate laws and principles supercede Murphys law.
Pessimism and AI are irrelevant to both. Understand Zed?
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" Considerable Set "
....Macro-infinite, truly non-occupied space > in >
....> ( macro-irrelevant occupied space too large too infrequent ( > in >
......> > ( almost relevant ( > in >
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1] scenario 1 = O|O or as ( ( | ) ) where we have two 5-fold sets outside OO of flalttened 4-fold set | being tangent to the the two 5-fold sets, O|O,
...or the two 5-fold overlapping each other with the 4-fold set inside of, an at exact middle, of both of the 5-fold sets ( ( | ) ).
The two 5-fold sets are not identical. They are left and right -skew sets of the 56 --- primary great circles--- derived from axis spun icosahedron, as derived from the 4-fold VE set, that contractively torques inward, with left-ward spin or right-spin, ergo, to arrive at two kinds icosahedral resultants
In following graphic we can vaquely make out the icosahedron in phase b of axis spun torquing motion of the jittebugging VE
There is more to this entropic heat death of Universe scenario, developed by me in 90's. This is just a rough over view the basic concept of a Universe where our observed reality --ex EMRadiation as the 4-fold set--- becomes very large and very flat entropic heat death of Universe, while the gravitaiton sphericals remain on each side and maintain all of the coding of nature in their surface pattering.
The VE has all of its associated 25 great circle patterning also contained in each its four regular triangle sets.
If we were to see mapping of both sets in one regular triangle, shared by both 4-fold 25 and 5-fold left and right-skew, we can see in this following graphic
The graphic shows shaded right-triangle area, but I forget if all of both 4-fold and 5-fold anglur mapping is contained in just the right-triangle, that is why I say the the larger regular triangle that contains 6 of these right-triangles. Geodesic domes only need the info from one right-triangle to construct the dome.
The graphic shows shaded right-triangle area, but I forget if all of both 4-fold and 5-fold anglur mapping is contained in just the right-triangle, that is why I say the the larger regular triangle that contains 6 of these right-triangles. Geodesic domes only need the info from one right-triangle to construct the dome.
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@zedvictor4
Well, Murphy's Law is a human adage.
Yes, I agree.
Will alternative intelligences adopt our propensity for pessimism based on fear of the unknown?
How does AI, pssimism and fear of unknown relate to other post above. I need to see a logical common sense pathway. Please.
....." Rapid energetic fractional decline to a point of rapid energetic re-initiation."...
..." Is the moment of exchange reliant upon a GOD principle? ".....
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@zedvictor4
oops, it is Murphy's law I meant. Not peter principle. My bad Zed.
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@zedvictor4
I dunno Zed you tell me. You know the peter principle dont you?
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I have two of them. First one is older version, that, I envisoned when first learning about entropic heat death of Universe. Both always and only consider a finite, occupied space Universe.
..1] Fuller believed he had discovered the operating system of Universe to be his jitterbugging VE. This link is integral to half of my first, geometric, cosmological scenario, http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/figs/plate04.html
...2} the other has only come to me in last couple of years, and stems from my explorations of prime number semi-patterns, that led to toroidal ideas, that, closely related to Fullers more Euclidean and spherical ideas. In the prior scenario all of Universe's particles connected ---if not entangled--- via Gravity. Then with my newer toroidal ideas I envisioned Gravity and Dark Energy as two sides of the same coin { torus ergo a toroidal coin, so to speak :--) }.
A little more later on.
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You are talking abstract mathematics, rather than physics.
Yes, my speculations. Sorry if you have not understood my positioning over many years now.
The Penrose proof of null-geodesic photons { 3D plus time/motion } vanish aka geodesic incompleteness aka singularity ergo 1D, or 0D as in zero-volume tet. The tet is the abstract, minimal 3D volume of Universe. If you have a better abstract geometry that would correlate too photons, please share :--)
so according to the General Theory it does in fact, vanish.
that has been my point with the zero-volume, 60 degree oriented tet, that vanishes and the 60 degree oriented VE replaces it, along with the 12 external trianglular wings { EMRadiation? evaporating black hole? }
In my scenarios, --at least as far in regarding black holes, not entanglement---, I take note of two or many correlations {See 1 and 2 below } to jacob bekenstiens findings, that, what exists inside a black hole is expressed on the surface { event horizon } of a black hole, and this led to bekensteins comment in SA, that,..' we appear to be 2D creatures having an illusion of 3D "...
...1} Archimedes discovery that the area of four circular planes --ergo the VE-- are equal of the the surface area of the sphere { VE } being defined. LINK graphic B,
...2} VE ---Fullers operating system of Universe--- = equanimity of circumferential { event horizon } chords 24 >< 24 radii { inside the black hole }, as seen in the above link graphic B, ergo,
...3} I envision one of the hexagonal { 2D } planes as a Q-bit hologram { 2D infolded as hyper-space 3D, two tets } of the whole VE, being that the each of the four bow-ties { two tets } are identical, and that they have equanimity via the chords 6 >< 6 radii, i.e. what is inside is expressed on the outer circumference,
....4} my cosmological belief, is that, all of Universe's quantum parts are eternally entangled, via Gravity and Dark Energy. --graviton-darkEon being two sides of the same coin, and Susskinds usings that phrasing for Gravity and Quantum being two sides of the same coin. I can get you link to that vid, however as a nice graphic of an entangled Universes --not specifically my models--, see this LINK
....4a} think of the my bow-tie Q-bit, holographic black holes --and to some degree all particles of Universe-- entanglement this way . The VE spherical bow-tie VE --or spherical tetrahedron---, as a black hole, sucks in occupied space, ergo, zillion^10 of these bow-ties compose the one VE/tet black hole. Then we have this constant transfer or relationship via bow-ties, hexagons or whatever. This gets begins to into my one of my two cosmological scenarios, so I stop here.
Isn’t the phrase “eternally created” inconsistent, I think they are mutually exclusive terms
Please forgive my poor grammar skills where-ever they occur. Naught is created nor destroyed i.e. no occupied space is ever { ergo eternally " created nor destroyed. Ever = eternally, naught is ever created nor destroyed only transformed, and that is the point of the zero-volume tet being transformed into the VE plus 12 triangles.
...his own work has wandered into the realm of pure fantasy, he said his own Conformal Cyclic Universe could be considered "Conformal Crazy Cosmology."
Only semi-read emperors new mind, many years ago. ..' education has been of the biggest impediments to my learning . A. Einstien, i.e. imagination led him to relativity. ---- As an aside note, since Fuller mentioned Einstein in his book 4D Time-Lock, they would not publish his book, so he asked them to ask Einstien what he thought, and Einstein asked to meet with Fuller. Fuller recounts this in last book Cosmography----.
As for "crazy", I read a book by some physicists, who had some wild ideas about electrons and back in the day, he met with Feynman, and he stated, that Feynman said his ideas cannot possibly be correct because they are not crazy enough to explain the quantum weirdness.
Any theory that postulates an eternal history is logically inconsistent because you can’t traverse a temporal infinite, so you can’t get here from there, so to speak.
" temporal infinite"? You lost me there, please clarify.
Neither of my cosmological scenarios involve infinite space, only eternally existent finite, occupied space Universe/Cosmos/Nature ergo, once again, naught is created nor destroyed, and this eternally true ergo inviolate truth, tho maybe never proved as a fact.
.." eternity is to time,
as infinite is to space "...Fuller quote... ergo a distinction is to be made.
Fullers speculates Universe this way. Within a macro-finite Universe, we have mirco-infinite, spatial phenomena via multiplication-by-division. I wont go further into those ideas, --unless you choose to know more in those regards--- rather, here is graphic of a basic premise of his, being there can never exists a spatial phenomena that is less than a 3D tetrahedron.
You can click the zoom in at bottom of page to see it better http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/plates/figs/plate03.html
In reviewing the above I came across another Synergetics LINK that is very much related to one of my two cosmological scenarios, back when i was first learning about entropic heat death of our finite { integral/integrity } Universe.
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@Sidewalker
zero-volume tetrahedron = null geodesics/singularity, as Penrose proved the latter part.
when the 3D --tetrahedron--- vanishes it to null geodesic singularity, it did not truly vanish,--as the graphic shows--- but the VE appeared as the tet vanished ergo, occupied space does not vanish in black holes. or elsewhere.
Finite, occupied space Universe is eternally existent. Naught is ever/eternally created nor destroyed.
You've followed Penrose's Conformal Cyclic Universe { CCU } scenarios, yes?
Ive had two cosmological scenarios of eternally existent Universe, long before I read his CCU scenario.
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@Sidewalker
ER and ERP are mathematical resultants of Einstein, Rosen and subseuently Podosky via general relativety if I understand correctly.
In subequently 1965 R penrose wrote on page paper proving Einsteins GR correct regarding formation of black hole, singularity { null geodesic } and subsequently, in 2018 won nobel prize for that proof.
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Along come Suskind Malcedona's conclusion, that, like what is known with classical particles being entangled, that black holes also are entangled --ergo duality of ER = ERP-- and via a holographic mechanism, --along with another classical mechanism 'negative energy'? charging the wormhole--- there can be transfer of information { positive Linus Q-bit } between the the black holes. Linus is in Susskinds other vid explanning these events.
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My geometric, and incomplete version of the above, involves Fullers Synergetic geometry idea of zero-volume tetrahedron LINK and subsequently a cubo-octahedron aka Vector Equlibrium{ VE } being a black hole. In the following LINK we find Fullers spherical VE being created and by its four, independent hexagonal planes and this leads to equlibrium of chords >< radii i.e. 24 chords >< 24 radii.
I see the holographic positive Linus Qbit as one of the of these four, identical and equlibrious { 6 chords >< 6 radii }--- hexagons, as shown in the LINK
For more on my ideas, of the similar vein, see my Quantum Entanglement via Hexa-god ideas ---still naive explorations--- in this LINK human brain and torus.
I think it is best to think of each of Fullers 2D great circles LINK as 3D, vectorial tori. So the above single hexagon is a torus, that infolds --to some degree-- upon itself. What Ive not yet given much thought, is how the radii are incorporated into the 3D torus idea, at least when only considering a single particle or black hole or other. Originally I thought of the each of the six radii being one section of six other tori, in addition to thecurved 6 chords { great circle } as one tori.
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@K_Michael
Like all waves, gravity also has frequency.
We do not tune-in to gravity. You still seem to miss that key point. At least you now seem to have tune-in and grasp what tuned-in to a specific frequency means. Yay!
Theoretically you could do the same for measuring gravity, though gravity runs between 10^-16 - 10^4 hertz,
Yes, gravity is all theoretical, as it has not been quantised nor quantified i.e. we have not tuned-in to gravity yet, and perhaps never will.
Since gravity waves shape spacetime, it would be like trying to measure the rotation of a wheel while moving at the exact same rotational velocity, it would appear to be staying still.
See speed-of-photon is constant to all observers irrespective of their speed or direction. Gravity-Dark Energy are the primary essence of occupied space. Observed time is the invaginated sine-wave resultant of those two geodesics as the nodal event outer and inner surface of space-time tori. My logical common sense speculation
To detect gravitational waves we built LIGO, which basically consists of two giant L shapes 4km long and 3000km apart. Even then the 'blip' from two black holes colliding over a billion light years away only made a difference a thousandth the width of a proton.
Yeah, Im familiar for years now. Not new news to me. However, once again, just for clarity sake, we have not tune-in a gravity wave frequency or graviton-darkEon. We have only seen instrumentally the effects of gravity, by the retardation of one of the photons arrival time at one of the ends of the the two LIGOs, 90 degree oriented interferometers.
The info from colliding black holes or other, gave us a loss of energy set of data, ergo, once again, indirect { not tuned-in ] confirmation of gravity's existence, via the loss of energy that we did not measure from the collision, is presumed to have gone away as Gravity.
Photons are also only indirectly detected, via loss or gain of electron energy value, ergo, we assign this to a photon and we capture and focus photons. We do not capture and focus { tuned-in } EMRadiation/photons.
Gravity is tuned-out, as long as we cannot tune-in to its quantum particle or frequencies and that is how it may always remain for eternity. This is relatively simple points Ive tried to convey to you via knowns and my speculative, exploratory scenarios. I'm a logic, common sense zombie.
Again, glad you now know what a frequency is have chose to tune-in.
I worked at Union 76 gas station in 60's and we gave out this orange stryofoam balls with 76 painted on them. People loved them on there antennas cause they amplified the signal { photons }. These balls would blow off antennas and get lost, and people come back in for more, until we ran out and could not get any more.
I tuned-in, turned-on and dropped out of high school in 60's. ' my education has been one my biggest impediments to my learning '...paraphrasing Einstien.
Learning how to read is the single best education I received as a child. thank you mom and dad!
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@K_Michael
People have been tuning into radio frequencies since radios were invented. Very popular to tune into our favorit radio station in our cars in the 60's.
Maybe your generation have never learned how to tune into a specific radio frequency in your car. Must all be done without using the r seek and tune on digital radios before your time. kind of simple stuff.
Maybe your generation have never learned how to tune into a specific radio frequency in your car. Must all be done without using the r seek and tune on digital radios before your time. kind of simple stuff.
Actually, come to think of it, I had a $75.62{?} Cadillac covertible ---the convertible roof worked!--- with posh leather seats and the radio analog radio has this seek browse } mechanism. i guess I was shocked cause my much cheaper 62 mercury had no such feature on the radio, nor did I know of car that did.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about this Nobel prize winning info. Directly related to hexa-brain and torus, if not hexa-god :--)
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If your looking for most advanced unification theories of Universe see this is bests utube explanation out there and it is simple. It is the kind of stuff ive been into for years, as have many theoretical physicists. ER = EPR only Einstein didnt know it when he made is mathematical discoveries.
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What percentage of these anti-choicer's are religious fundamentalist?
What percentage of these anti-choicer's are non-relgious fruit cakes?
What percentage of these anti-choicer' just along because they dont want to out of step with their more radical, anti-choicer friends?
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@K_Michael
Quasars are a natural example of EMR being focused in a specific direction. There are no known examples of gravity going in a specific direction in nature, which indicates that it is likely impossible
Great KM, I think you get my point. Gravity is like being tuned-out { non-focused } where-as EMRadiation is like being tuned-in { focused }.
We tune-in to a specific frequency of radiation, we do not tune-in to gravity. Are we being logic zombies or science buffs?
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@Tradesecret
Dingbat? I was thinking of using the label nincompoop for some who post here.
nincompoop .."a foolish or stupid person. "
dingbat first used in 1904 ..." 1 North American•Australian
- a stupid or eccentric person.
- a typographical device other than a letter or numeral (such as an asterisk), used to signal divisions in text or to replace letters in a euphemistically presented vulgar word. "
Synonyms nitwit and kook
God created dingbat and dingbat took of one of its ribs --the dumbass-- to create nincompoop. Together they ate from the fruit from tree of illogical nonsense. After some years along came........?
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@Vaarka
My first love for a particular band, and the allowance money to purchase albums. Yay! 1966 Ventures in japan doing their version of Wipe Out. A surfing hit, but they were not a surfing band.
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@K_Michael
All you have to do is move massive objects around
KM, making use of gravity is not the same as controling gravity. Dams ---lots of mass via rocks--- make use of gravity.
Humans control EMRadiation by focusing it. With a dam what is focused i like like the sand mentioned before, via the glass, were channeling the water or the sand, via the glass or the rocks etc.
We focus photons we do not focus gravity. If we could focus gravity we would have ray guns we point at each other to cause us to levitate. :--)) There is a distinct differrence and this is what about a unified theory of everything hinges on.
We focus photons we do not focus gravity. If we could focus gravity we would have ray guns we point at each other to cause us to levitate. :--)) There is a distinct differrence and this is what about a unified theory of everything hinges on.
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@K_Michael
Hourglasses and water clocks have been used to measure time for hundreds of years.
That is not controlling gravity, that is controling the flow of sand particles an the size of the opening.
Humans use gravity, they do not control, just so were clear here above.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Republicans created this monster. It’s up to them to do something about him.
Yeah, and a few other nutters ---false narrative type--- helped those Republicans. Yeah they did something, they took over The House and lost senate. Yes we have to credit to democrats, where credit is due in both of those.
Most people are inherently conservative, and want to hold onto what that have and value, irrespective of how little it may be. There are a few primary problem.
1} lack of any true moral integrity that encourages and supports a true spiritual imperative, ---ex all-for-one and one-for-all type thinking---,
......this is partly because the word spirit has so many definitions, of which most are related to illogical aspects of religion....
2} education of the truth, facts and science to an already overpopulated humanity, for the operating systems we have in place,
.........of course humans cant get past the false narrative dilemma regarding our declining ecological environment----
3} greed that is inherent to 1 and 2 above. We all want a higher standard of living and generally more stuff, without enough consideration of the costs to ecological environment that sustains us. Ive been on three most inexpensive cruises knowing full well the ecological damage they do, ergo, my spiritual imperative went out the window because, my spirit wanted that experience, on three differrent occasions.
I understand the mindset of its all going to hell in a handbasket, why not help it along. It is a lack of hope ergo a lack of purpose in our lives to make a meaningful differrence.
Utopia via nukes and Trumpet?
Oblivion via nukes and Trumpet?
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@sadolite
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...." “Just…WOW! GA voters, facilitated through the hard work of county
election & poll workers, have shattered the old Early Vote turnout,
with 300,438 Georgians casting their votes today,” said top Georgia
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The previous record for an early voting day was around 233,000, a spokesperson for Georgia’s secretary of state told The Hill. "..
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@YouFound_Lxam
1: The Singularity
Aka null geodesics i.e. where math of general relativity leads to in black hole scenarios and proved by Roger Penrose in 1965 paper, for which he received nobel prize in 2018 or so.
Penrose does not think a singularity is begining of our finite, occupied space Universe. Penrose believes our Universe is eternally existent in various phases and transformative cycles he calls aeons.
A big bang is just a name for events of which no one really knows what occured. We do know there exist cosmic laws that state, energy cannot be created nor destroyed ergo, energy as an occupied space cannot be created nor destroyed only transformed between various phase states of existence.
2: Design Has to Have a Designer
There is no design or designer. Humans have purpose and create designs.
Universe has not purpose and does not design.
where does design originate?
There is no origin since energy cannot be created nor destroyed it eternally exists in various phase-states of fermionic matter, bosonic forces, Gravity and Dark Energy.
3. What Created Life?
1} w dont know that biologic life was created,
2} if it was created from where before there was none, it is called random chance of simple to complex evolution of non-life substance to living substance.
Just because humans have not created life, does not mean it has no arisen on its own.
5. Human Reasoning
Something you need more of and I call logical common sense.
Humans have unique ability to access Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and conceptualize a finite Universe, and conceptually place themselves outside of the the conceptual Universe, as if they are this conceptual God, looking back in on the Universe, holding it in its conceptual hands.
.....space(> * <) i (> * <)space.....
space = truly non-occupied and occupied
>< = dipolar invaginations from ultra-high nummber of space-time tori, that, result in sine-wave pattern /\/\/ aka physical reality
* * = bilateral consciousness found in reality with woman being the most complex entity of Universe, barring two or more women or man and woman or a black hole with encoding for biologic life embedded within
( ) = postive shaped geodesic Gravity aka Spirit-3 { Meta-physical }
)( = negative shaped geodesic Dark Energy aka Spirit-4 { Meta-physical }
i = ego identification as Meta-space concept
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@YouFound_Lxam
I agree, that, your a sick-n-head virtual rapist, sticking your nose into a pregnant womans bodily business without her consent.
You and the other nutters like you need mental assistance. Morally { whats best for pregnant woman and humanity } and intellectually { logical common sense }.
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@TWS1405
It's all a fucking joke, and it is BAD COMEDY!
The above presumes, that, your a virtual rapist nutter, sticking your nose into a pregnant womans bodily business --where the sun don't shine---, without her consent.
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@zedvictor4
Leader ( * | * )
Purpose, ergo, hope > >
....> motivation, ergo, a cause > >
.....> action, ergo, a motion potion/lotion > >
.......> one resultant of action is Love } * | * { being both radiant energy and attractive energy
radiant purpose/hope that, instills motivation/cause and we then see action/motion-potion, that attracts attention, ergo, energy ( * | * * | * * | * )
Energy is the ability to do work. ..' Vertical is to live as horizontal is to die '...Bucky Fuller
We rest, so that, we may rise again, and again, and again........we are one-for-all and all-for-one
on our pathway to debate humanities actions, on ecological planet,
We rest so that we may rise again, and again, and again........we are one-for-all and all-for-one, @----{ * (..) * }---@
on our humanitarian pathways to protect and honor the ecological spherical, Space-ship Earth, o------ (*( *( * ( @ ) * )* )*) -------o
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@Polytheist-Witch
Who is abortion cruel to?
Cruel to fetus/baby the older it is, even tho, it is not an independently breathing individual human, yet.
Cruel to the pregnant woman --potential mother to be---, depending on wide variety of potential circumstances around the pregnancy.
It can that others are cruel to the pregnant woman and here family and society in whole if those who do not support her choice, chose to be cruel.
Circumstances altar cases and we live on overpopulated planet for the operating systems currently in use.
Pragmatic, logical, practical etc are all considerations the pregnant woman has to consider, if she so chooses to ask for any advice in those areas.
All others should sit quietly an ponder great issues of significant importance to our continued existence on Earth.
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@K_Michael
Volcanoes, 5 kinds in varying degrees of serverity, and
.........in kinds of gaseus substances the release and other particles to block out sun
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Lets correct an error from that first draft.
1.2p.3p...6...7p.... 9..14...18{19p}..21..27....{41p}42....{53p}54....63..126{127p}....189....378{379p}
...2p.3p........7p................18{19p}................{41p}42....{53p}54..........126{127p}..............
Here above ive put the 4 adjacent primes in brackets { } that are not inherently part of the divisors.
There is still an imbalance of prime numbers, even as I remmbered that, in Synergetics, Fuller likes to always consider the two additive poles to any system, ergo, we place the two poles of the system to the side and only consider whats between.
What we have now is a balance between three inherent primes on left side, three adjacent primes on right side, and a nuclear set 18{19p} in the middle
...2p.3p........7p................18{19p}................{41p}42....{53p}54..........126{127p}..............
Is the addition of the adjacent primes a valid play in this above? It is, if were trying to increase quantum complexity in ways the do not, only consider the exponential growth of lines-of-relationship, without the inclusion of those adjacent prime numbers.
The consideration of whether my above is a valid play, is that were dealing with divisors of 378 only. I dunno what to say, except I'm a naive explorer looking for cosmic answers to cosmic questions.
Another consideration is why focus so much on the prime numbers?
Oh and I just found another error. There is an adjacent prime to the divisor 14, i.e. {13p}14
...2p.3p........7p.......{13p}14.........18{19p}................{41p}42....{53p}54..........126{127p}..............
Now we have balance of inherent primes and adjacent primes 4 > < 4. The only imbalance --tainted off-centered-ness, is that we have inherent and adjacent primes in our mix of consideration. We began with 16 divisors, dropped 2 poles, leaves 14 divisors for consideration. Removed all except inherent primes and adjacent primes.
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, 103, 107, 109, 113, 127,
131, 137, 139, 149, 151, 157, 163, 167, 173, 179, 181, 191, 193, 197,
199, 211, 223, 227, 229, 233, 239, 241, 251, 257, 263, 269, 271, 277,
281, 283, 293, 307, 311, 313, 317, 331, 337, 347, 349, 353, 359, 367,
373, 379, 383.
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@Athias
Correction: Anarchy is every person choosing for themselves. One cooperates as it suits them; one dissociates as it suits them.
There is only the great illusion of chaotically random disorder.
Disorderly Trumpet and his disorderly cult of MAGA only make some underlying order harder to find.
Orange-Grey-Parrots 'just say no' campaign is like a MAGA child throwing a minimalist temper tantrum.
There, ive said no, and there is nothing you can do about it. Then the oncoming wave /\/\/ washes them away onto the land or out to sea.
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My goal is to simplify that which is more complex. A good teacher can do this, even tho some of critical details will be missing for more wholistic comprehension of the greater whole set. Susskind does this in his vid in Part Two below.
Part One
..." If there are six equilateral
triangles around a vertex we cannot define a three-dimensional
structural system, only a "plane." "...Bucky Fuller
In the above graphic we se increasing complexity as we go from tetra{4]hedron with 6 lines, to planar hexagon with 12 lines.
At When does exponential complexity begin? At four. O O O O
At three points { * * * } we have three lines-of-relationship, and at four points we jump from 3, to 6 lines-of-relationship, and that is the beginning of exponential growth.
LINK 3^2, minus 3, divided by 2 = 3. I --if not also Fuller-- identify 3 with structure, or structural stability /\ Any carpenter knows a square { 4 } house has to be triangulated for it to become a stable structure.
Part Two: Growth of Quantum Complexity
In Leonard Susskinds { LIGO fame "Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory" } Quantum Gravity vid {LINK Quantum Origins of Gravity } he states, that, --go to 43:30 > 43:38-- the reason Linus cannot pass { teleportation } --via quantum entanglement bridge{ EPR }--- from one black hole to the other, is because of the exponential growth of complexity, according to Maldecna-Susskinds special case exploration of string theory called AdS-CFT.
LINK.... "The AdS-CFT correspondence......This is traditionally interpreted as a concrete realization of a vague “holographic principle” according to which quantum gravity in bulk spacetimes is controlled, in one way or other, by “boundary field theories” on effective spacetime boundaries, such as event horizons. "
LINK ....." In conclusion, note how each chord here reflects at the same time:
...1} (ER) --[ aka Einstein Rosen]-- one entangled pair of qbits in the boundary quantum system;
....2} (EPR) --[Einstein-Podsky-Rosen bridge]-- a geodesic through the hyperbolic plane bulk spacetime,
.......which is a (rigorous) state of affairs clearly reminiscent of the “ER = EPR” slogan (except that wormholes are replaced by minimal area hypersurfaces, here: geodesics). "
Part three: Entangled Universe
Part Four: Equanimity Within Hyper-space{?}
In B Fullers Synergetics, he makes clear, that the reason he calls the nucleated cubo-octahedron the Vector Equilibrium { VE }, is because, when the VE is constructed from four hexagonal planes ---see LINK-- there is total of 24 chords and 24 radii.
The number of vertexes is 7 points/vertexes for each hexagon 4 * 7 = 28 vertexia/points. 28^2, minus 28 = 756, divided by 2 = 378 lines-of-relationship for 28 vertexia points.
are 1, 2p, 3p, 6, p7, 9, 14, 18, 21, 27, 42, 54, 63, 126, 189, and 378. If we put aside the the 1 and 378 --cause there sort of redundant{?}-- we have 14 divisors remaining. Below have included prime numbers to 383 as curiosity reference to these divisors below and added any adjacent prime to each number.
1.2p.3p...6...p7.... 9, 14...18{19p}..21..27....{41p}42....{53p}54....63..126{127p}....189....378{379p}
........................................18{19p}................{41p}42....{53p}54..........126{127p}..............378{379p}
Here above ive put the 5 adjacent primes in brackets { } that are not inherently part of the divisors.
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, 103, 107, 109, 113, 127, 131, 137, 139, 149, 151, 157, 163, 167, 173, 179, 181, 191, 193, 197, 199, 211, 223, 227, 229, 233, 239, 241, 251, 257, 263, 269, 271, 277, 281, 283, 293, 307, 311, 313, 317, 331, 337, 347, 349, 353, 359, 367, 373, 379, 383.
In the Synergetics graphic as I'm alluding to and embedded hyper-space being the adjacent close bonding of the two radii from each hexagon. The VE does this in other ways also, not shown in any of the above.
Part Five: In Synergetics, the VE has total of 25, conceptually spun, primary great circles associated with its 12 vertexes, 14 openings, 24 edges/chords.
In all of the above, I'm only considering the hexagons, i.e. only considering four great hexagonal planes, or as conceptually spun great circle planes, not the other 21 of 25 great circles.
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@TheUnderdog
Your a virtual rapist who needs to be re-educated on some basic moral integrity.
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@zedvictor4
@YouFound_Lxam
how people think their are more than two genders
..." One species of fungi, Schizophyllum commune,
really shines when it comes to gender diversity. The white, fan-shaped
mushroom has more than 23,000 different sexual identities, a result of
widespread differentiation in the genetic locations that govern its
sexual behavior. "
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@TheUnderdog
Thoughts?
Yeah how about some pragmatically practical logical common sense from all the nutters sticking their busy body noses into a pregnants womens bodily business without her consent? Your a sick-n-head virtual rapist in a worldthat is overpopulated by humans whose destroying the ecological environment that sustains them.
Differrent operating systems might be sustain-able, but not the ones we have now. End-date-for-humanity 2232 give or take 5o or so years. Prognostication.
Differrent operating systems might be sustain-able, but not the ones we have now. End-date-for-humanity 2232 give or take 5o or so years. Prognostication.
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@jeevakumar
On the topic of "virtual rape", it was your choice to have sex, you created the baby, so now it is your problem; how is that virtual rape?
Your confused. I never made such comments or suggest what you state above. You need to go back and read what i wrote and address those specifics. Simple.
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