ebuc

..."Yes another moral superiority argument"...

Well duhh, if one person has no moral integrity and another has some moral integrity, then yes, one is more superior that the other in regards.

This is plain ole common sense sadolite.  You do have access common sense dont you?  Maybe not. I dunno.

Sadolite lacks access to his empathy centers of his brain aka lack of access to moral integrity. I'll bet he does not yawn, 50% of the time, when he sees others yawning.

It is well documented that mask prevent the spread of the viri.  Nobody likes to wear the mask all day at work, but health care workers do, and they have the least incidence of infection.

Nursing homes, meat packing plants have the worse record. We all live on a one-island world called Space-ship Earth. We have some 200 nations and each has their captains attempting to run the Space-ship Earth show.

Unless all of the captains put aside their personal needs, and look at the needs of all of humanity and the  ecological systems that sustain them, humanity is doomed to extinction within 1000 years. My best guess.  Yes some may survive, but depending on the circumstances after the die-off, their lives may be fairly miserable. I dunno.

Humanity needs to begin curtailing its population growth by huge amount.  1, 2, 3 generations or more?  And they need to change the modus operandi.  This can only happen if all of humanity is on board with collective effort to choose life over death of humanity.

Hydrogen bomb war can start with one, two, or three people that have a key to a button{s}.

...."In 2017 President Trump vowed to rain down “fire and fury” on the North and later taunted Mr. Kim on Twitter that “I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!”

......That could be interpreted as a threat to launch a nuclear strike.
Unsettling as it may be, Mr. Trump has the absolute authority to start a nuclear war. Within minutes, the president could unleash the equivalent of more than 10,000 Hiroshima bombs.

.....He does not need a second opinion. The defense secretary has no say. Congress has no role. Yet it would mean the end of civilization as we know it."...

...."There are several worlds thought to possess liquid water beneath their surfaces, and many more that have water in the form of ice or vapor. Water is found in primitive bodies like comets and asteroids, and dwarf planets like Ceres. The atmospheres and interiors of the four giant planets -- Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune -- are thought to contain enormous quantities of the wet stuff, and their moons and rings have substantial water ice.

...Perhaps the most surprising water worlds are the five icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn that show strong evidence of oceans beneath their surfaces: Ganymede, Europa and Callisto at Jupiter, and Enceladus and Titan at Saturn.

....Scientists using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope recently provided powerful evidence that Ganymede has a saltwater, sub-surface ocean, likely sandwiched between two layers of ice."...

Break away from your narrow mind and see the Universe as it is, and not as you falsely project z4. Ive been passing along the following link for nearly 20 years now.

..."Regeneron Pharmaceuticals (NASDAQ:REGN) is working on two efforts: an antibody cocktail and the repurposing of a rheumatoid arthritis drug that it commercializes with partner Sanofi (NASDAQ:SNY). As for Gilead Sciences (NASDAQ:GILD), the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently granted the company emergency use authorization for its coronavirus treatment."...

..."I am predicting doom and gloom this 4th of july.All hell will be let use."..

Duh, I thought that is what happens every 4th especially when the fireworks go off  ---KABOOM!---  unintentionally.

..."Hey, I've never been afraid to talk to the loonies!"..

I'm not sure that site is one or more person of any particular slant i.e. they may just be like a news outlet that has very few filters, or people of opposite persuasions and the have agreed to take turns posting from their particular point of view.  I you catch my drift there.

I do talk to all degrees of rational, or not, logical, or not, common sense, or not, types here at DArt and elsewhere. Have to deal with the cards of humanity I'm dealt. I'm on another that is always on my case for arguing so when I found this debate and DArt I was so happy to have a place that encourages arguing. :--)

I find you to be one of the more rationa, logical common sense types around here, and have convey that message to you in past.

I do find much of RMadmen to be good stuff, but then he will pull a sucker punch ---below the belt or off-kilter---  on your me or others.

Then he,like some others, will ask me questions even as they block me. Immature at best. I have my off-kilter days, but have not or would not ever block any one unless they were  incessant hassle to me, and even then I have not ever blocked anyone here or at Debate.org

Covid19 statitic, Regeneron has created an anit-body shot, that, they are so confident in its validity, that, they have already started mass-production of their cocktail in anticipation it will be allowed to go on market.

This cocktail and two other companies working on same idea, will probably hit the streets long before any vaccine, that may or may not ever come to fruition.

And everyone is forgetting it is the Russians who tooted Don'sTrumpet near the end, to Hillarys demise.

She won the popular vote because she was more popular than the narrcist { I }Don Trumpet.

He alone will fix it, what ever it his ego needs, to be fixed. That ethang is immature, irrational, illogical lacks common sense and moral integrity,  is not new  news. 

.."Special thanks to @oldoneeye"...

I think he has some issues since hes also pushing 'The War on Hydroxychloroquine"' bit.

Regeneron is already mass-producing their antibody shot cocktail of covid19, because they are so confident of their product being valid and approved by authorities.

Regeneron made the HIV cocktail. As soon as I read this Hydroxychlorquine conspiracy by oldeeye I became suspicious of them.

F-law that's retensioning of a finite set of a  11 triangle and  not  "retention".

That your an pre-mature baby and were shorted oxygen is not an excuse for you pretention of actually knowing anything to say that has validity, much less of any moral or intellectual significance.

If you dont have the  kahunas---and you dont---  to unblock me, then you need to stop addressing me. Do you understand English Fox-law? Apparrently not. 

Sad :--( waster of band width

Order of many kinds/types.

Ex 1...2...3...4...5...6 is a linear and sequential

2...4...6....3....1...5...1 is not sequentially position, yet we know that 2 follows 1so we can still draw/have lines-of-relationship that follow sequence but do not appear visually  sequential.  Ex See LINK.....get over it, your and adult now.

That link shows more than one line of relationship from one nodal point, so it is not exactly what I mean but the a similar idea is one line-of-relationship between 1 and 2 irrespective of the pathway it takes to arrive there, then same for 2 -3 and the 3 - 4 etc.

It is kinds of like, maybe some childs game of connect the dots.  It is and order, and what happens, is adults can only see it as out of order, when what they really miss is that is an order, just not the order they wish to see.  Too bad.  It aint easy becoming a mature adult, when you think you may have to resort to childish connect the dot games.

Get over it connect the dots in sequence, wherever they appear.

A Puppet On String

...Ebuc.....
 
A puppet on string,
Dangles and dances,
Controlled by the master,
It bows and prances.
 
Free from hard choices,
Free from minds will,
Free from pregnancy
Free from the pill.
 
Oh to be a puppet,
A puppet is free,
Free from decisions,
It smiles with glee.
 
My puppet is attentive,
My puppet is smart,
It lives in a container,
It does not fart.
 
A puppet on string,
A wooden delight,
No weight problems,
And reflects all light.

..."Ebuc is Ebuc," 

= cubE

However, 66 lines-of-relationship---my profile--  directly associated with 12-around-one spheres aka the cubo-octahedron and that is a truncated cubE i.e. a cube with its 8 corners slashed off,

and associated  with 12-around-none { sphericals } aka the icosahedron and those are basis for most viruses ---if not all--,

and as for evolution, Fred Hoyle thought that evolution was partially propagated by viri from extraterrestrial sources.

He goes on to explain why we would get more colds and flu's in winter when moisture comes in from higher altitudes, where the viri from space may hang-out more.

..."Please explain your definition of "god" to the best of your ability."...

The best of his ability is lame, at best. :--(

"G"od = "U"niverse and the italized is specific to metaphysical-1 below in the Cosmic Trinity: most wholistically comprehensive set

1} metaphysical-1 aka spirit-1, is mind/intellect/concepts ex concepts of mind, intellect, concepts, Space, God, Universe, TIme,iDogs Cats, toyota's etc.

2} metaphysical-2, macro-infinite non-occupied Space that surrounds/embraces the following,

3}  finite, occupied space Universe aka God and Uni--V--erse aka  spirit-2, 3 and 4 as follows

......3a} spirit-2 is fermions and bosons ergo quantised and quantified, Observed Time and directly associated with a sine-wave patterned /\/\/\/ frequency, that collectively accumulate as atoms, molecules, planets etc,

......3b} metaphysical-3 aka spirit-3,  Gravity ---speculativly positive shaped Space (  ) associated with outer geodesic of a torus,

.......3c} metaphysical-4 aka spirit-4, Dark Energy ---speculatively negative shaped Space )( associated with inner geodesic of a torus.

Uni-- = contractive { mass-attractive/contractive  } Gravity (  )

--V-- =inversions from outer peak of positive and inner of negative curvature f torus ergo (><)(><), and these two sets of inversion result in a sine-wave pattern inside the tube of torus that is numerical signified as 0, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 etc and happens to coincide with not a  sine-wave frequency pattern of reality, but trinity of quarks, electrons and neutrinos aka fermionic matter,

--erse = Dark Energy { disspersive/dissasociative } aka negative shaped )( geodesisc of torus

i = ego aka metaphysical-1 along with mind/intellect/concepts i.e concept of self ergo outside of beyond  ---tho not spatially, as is non-occupied Space--  the torus  (>*<)  i  (>*<),

* * = bilateral consciousness with human female being the most complex entity of Universe  --barring sets of one or more women or men ex a whole planet of humans is of course more complex than a single woman.

Unlike many around here, I actually like to follow a rational, logical common sense pathway to truth, that, is based on observation and speculative intuition.

I love George Carlin!  Thank you for that one and the the "Balance the Budget" one that followed. :--))

He is like Joan Rivers on steroids. .....'Can we rant and rail?'...

..."More knowledge = fewer options = less freewill"...

More knowledge may lead to ability to see more options ergo the above is false.

Ex experience leads to ability to see more options aka wise old human.

I dont know abut evolved, but culturally relevant. Ex, Larry the cable guy doing his on stage routine ---I dunno what year--, says.

...' any of you out there ever see your parents having sex? yeah, you there. Uh huh, Well, I saw my parents having sex once and whew boy, I tell you, I ain't never going to that web site again"....... :--)

I think an older one ---80's--   is Jeff Foxworthy saying...'you know your a redneck, when the tires on you pick-up truck cost more than the truck'.... :--)

 Then there are the Mark Twain award routines. Will Farrow { I give a #9 }, Steve martin { 9 }, Ellen Degeneris { 10 }, Lilly Tomlin { 8 }, and I forget the other ones I just happened to catch.

..'you know why the easter bunny hides his eggs? He dont want nobody to know he's been messing with a chicken'.....

I bet Mel Brooks got the Mark Twain award. I dunno, but it was probably and 10.

F-Law....."That may be your preference, but I'll wager it usually ends with premature efactulation. That's an absolute"...

F-law, your clueless beause your a  "premature" baby and  this is why you block me. Your ego is in constant fear of absolute and relative truths.

Sad :--(  lack of moral and intellectual integrity.

z4, your still playing immature mind games.

how many times do I have to repeat to you over the last year or more, that, You've never heard that from me and in fact you and others have clearly stated for last 30 years that  our finite, occupied space Universe { something } is eternally existent ergo the only perpetual motion machine.

Something { occupied space  } cannot come from nothing { true non-occupied space }.

PLease get off the drugs long enough to open your eyes, ears and mind to rational, logical common sense truths.

There is only one Cosmic Trinity by me and Ive attached various labels that seperates it from all others. Your closed/dens mindless ego prevents you from being able to make rational, logical common sense between various Cosmic Trinities.  Get off the drugs, your mind will work better.

Yeah, it is  a real freak show ...* ! *...  compared to Bonanza.

Well Hoss, you, Adam and Little Joe go on over to the court house to find out what this prop 209 is all about.

If we have to fight this, we will set Bonanza on fire....play Bonanza music and set Bonanza territory map on fire.

My reference of Hoyle followed your reference to God > intelligence. Get with the program z4.

..."soon we will all be backwards freaks soon anyway."...

"Soon?" Much of humanity is already backward freaks, as we go forward into our future and many of those who are not want to follow the backward freaks over the cliff extinction.  What a sad tale is being played out for those who do have ego based filters to block out reality and truth.

I see there is now a Asimov tv series out now based on his original triology "Foundation". Pychohistory etc. Saw a brief trailer of it.

Years later some one else tried to continue with the story but it was very boring 4th and 5th books.

sorry, ive gone way off topic.  I now return you to you regularly scheduled program,  The Outer Limits of a Civilized Society.

..."How soon until they say this is stolen land, and it must be given back to the "natives"?"

Truth is truth irrespective of those who want to deny the truth.

.."How long until they say our wealth comes from slaves, so we need to pay up (already trying to get reparations)?"..

Our wealth comes from the Earth via sun.  So who owns the Earth and sun?

When is humanity going to learn that the only way forward for their longer term survical ---with least amount of suffering to most people---  is to cooperatsite?

Isnt cooperation the opposite of an individuals independent freedom?  ...'Hell no I wont cooperate!  Cooperation is for monkeys, meerkats, doplhins and wolves!'....

...'I'm a damn human and proud of it!'.....' Do I look like a wolf to you?'......

.."But wherefrom is the initial intelligence source."...

Huh? What are you talking about Z4?  Where do come across these ideas of a "initital intelligence source"?

I think you've dipped into the kool-aid again and/or been talking to the dead terrance mckenna. 

F-Law..."In other words, stop depending on government to solve our problems, They are terrible at it, and getting worse."....

...."Most of the key words commonly used to describe governments—words such as monarchy, oligarchy, and democracy—are of Greek or Roman origin. They have been current for more than 2,000 years and have not yet exhausted their usefulness. This suggests that humankind has not altered very much since they were coined."

..."So long as humans were few, there was hardly any government. The division of function between ruler and ruled occurred only, if at all, within the family. The largest social groups, whether tribes or villages, were little more than loose associations of families, in which every elder or family head had an equal voice. Chieftains, if any, had strictly limited powers; some tribes did without chieftains altogether. This prepolitical form of social organization may still be found in some regions of the world, such as the Amazonian jungle in South America or the upper Nile River valley in Africa."...

The five nation Iroquis ---basis of USA constitution--- system of governments, was that the women chose their male chief.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

11 to 12,0000 years ago, the following took place in Turkey.

..."If anything, a discovery by Israeli archaeologists suggests the Göbekli Tepe construction project was even more complex than previously thought, and required an amount of planning and resources thought to be impossible for those times. Their study of the three oldest stone enclosures at Göbekli Tepe has revealed a hidden geometric pattern, specifically an equilateral triangle, underlying the entire architectural plan of these structures."....

....“Each enclosure subsequently went through a long construction history with multiple modifications, but at least in an initial phase they started as a single project,” the archaeologist concludes. “The implication is that a single project at Göbekli Tepe was three times larger than previously thought and required three times as much manpower – a level that is unprecedented in hunter-gatherer societies.”

I couldnt read   any of it cause have sign in, so I have no idea what hypothesis your refering to. You brought intelligent God into conversation, and that Universe/God are synonyms ergo Hoyles book from 90's totally related to your comments.  I'm sure Hoyle had many hypotheses in his lifetime as well as many scientific theory.

Here is what is impossible, ---and it is so simple even you maybe will get it----, that, anything that would violate the finite set of cosmic laws/principles is impossible.

There can exist only five convex polyhedra of Universe.  The list is long of cosmic laws/principles is long.

F-Law has me blocked yet he continues to ask me questions. 

I think F-law must be on mental prescripted drugs. Go figure.

F-law is obviously  clueless to nuclear arms race that went on for 50 years and how humanity cooperated to do something about  that---Mutually Assured Destruction---  because there were so many close calls. Go figure.

Are there still enough hyrdogen bombs on Earth to destroy humanity and the ecology that sustain it?  Less see what mentalist F-law has to say about it.

..."So what crisis?  Well I think that we agree, that in terms of species survival, there is no real crisis. Just change that we will adapt to."...

How do you adapt to 100's of hydrogen bombs going off on Earth?

How do adapt to acidifying oceans with marine life that is only dwindlling, not increasing whereas human population is only increasing and increasing there need for stuff they dont need?

Not all culture adapt and they are gone.

Not all species adapt and they are gone.

Humanity is going bye bye within 1000 years is my best estimate, intuition, speculation.

How are we doing on available clean fresh drinking water?

To eat more, or less beans, and less bans is not good, because beans is the one food all centenarians have in common.

..."Many of the longest-living populations in the world are lovers of legumes (more commonly known as beans). The people of Okinawa, Japan, who have the highest percentage of centenarians on earth, eat a diet rich in soybean-based products like tofu."...

...The researchers found that legumes were the most important dietary predictor of survival among the elderly, “regardless of their ethnicity,” they wrote.* For every 20-gram increase in daily legume intake (20 grams is about three-quarters of an ounce), “there is a 7 to 8% reduction in mortality hazard ratio.”.......

Intuition = speculation ergo an estimation based on what we are presented with.

..."In physics or engineering education, a Fermi problem, Fermi quiz, Fermi question, Fermi estimate, or order estimation is an estimation problem designed to teach dimensional analysis or approximation of extreme scientific calculations, and such a problem is usually a back-of-the-envelope calculation. The estimation technique is named after physicist Enrico Fermi as he was known for his ability to make good approximate calculations with little or no actual data. Fermi problems typically involve making justified guesses about quantities and their variance or lower and upper bounds.

...."Information regarding Covid-19 is so woolly, I'm starting to become a conspiracy theorist."....

Z4, your clueless as to what a 'learning curve' is, so, you get off the merry-go-round { fall off the horse },  leave the playground head for the nearest church or gang of irrational thugs, where you think they offer access to truth.  Are you an anti-vaccinator for all diseases also?  Going to become one? Have a spine and get back on the horse of science and search for truth, or be a wimp.  Your choice.

.."Learining Curve

Flaw..."Therefore: Universe, God, Toyotas?"....

I stated concepts of this occupied space thing.  You dilute so as to convolute what Ive clearly stated.

Your clueless to what a concept is ergo you present convoluted falsehood aka sad lack of moral and intellectual integrity, that,is resultant of ego * i * in fear of loss of self integrity.

Ego is  metaphysical-1 and cannot be lost, found  or misplaced. Ego * i * can only be front and center blocking access to truth or off to side or not front and center.

The ego is not dead or alive, it is just more or less present, as a dense or open filter of incoming metaphysical-1 information.

Leave this solar system.   Ha, I think you must have drunk the kool-aid.

Sure, if it is possible, then, who am I to say, humans wont discover and apply that possiblity technologically.  I wont be holding my breath, nor should you.

Meanwhile, reality points us in the direction of what we do see in front of our eyes, over population  ---see LINK below-- for the operating systems we have in place, and what those systems of operation are doing to the ecology that sustains humans on Earth.

How about a purpose being to survive our own stupidity, because humans are so bent on their individual independent freedom, they cannot grasp that cooperation is only way to attain survival and true happiness on Earth, with least amount of suffering to most people.

Stalemate 

Z4, many truths have been discovered, well documented and applied.

  You will need to  specific what truth your refering to.  Life on Earth will go on after humans perish on Earth, is my best guess.

...."The police don't need to be retrained and reformed, society does."....

Uhh, police are a part of society.  It is hard to retrain those who are programed to think with stupidity, time and time again, irrespective of their social position in society.

Add Geroge Floyd to a long list of injustices that like many things, is so obvious people reach their limits of injustice before they speak out ---express themselves---.

Thank God we live in USA. Only 7  people { white and young } were killed at Kent State in the 60's.

Add Sadolite to a long list of those who lack empathy of those of who make the best choices we can from the cards we are dealt by a society that has so much stupidity, ignorance, racism, and a long list of negatives.  ..."Cant we all just get along?".....R. King

No we can not, not as long as societies priorities is .."rat eat rat world"...Founder who stole McDonalds from McDonald brothers.

It has to be all for one and one for all, or humanity will not suvive 500 - 1000 ore years on Earth, and Earth is the only option so get mars and beyond out of your head, and true peace and love in your heart.