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@Goldtop
Sure Goldy.
You could post some evidence, but it would be no use. Lol.
We believe you. We won't even bring up the fact you were widely known as a troll on DDO.
I'm laughing along with those scientists.
You can't post any evidence because there is none. And with your poor background in science, you wouldn't know any if there was some.
Every bit of scientific evidence gleaned from observation or experimentation refutes abiogenesis. All you can do is pretend you have evidence as you make silly posts with lame excuses why you can't post any evidence.
I shamed you on DDO, which is why you're now here, showcasing your butthurt you nursed all this time. Join your fellow DDO trolls bully, hari, and willows, following me around, trying to sooth your emotional pain by being jerks on a whole new board.
Bitter much?
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@Goldtop
Massive, massive ignorance and denial. Hilarious.
Yeah. All that evidence you're posting for abiogenesis is hard to argue against. You sure do know science.
Can the class say clueless? I thought it could.
Lol. Can't post any evidence, too compulsive to stop posting. Must highlight his ignorance. I love internet trolls.
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Still no evidence on abiogenesis.
I'm satisfied it is clear who is ignorant of science.
Why in the world would you voluntarily enter a thread where your ignorance of science would stand out? Now you have to keep posting stupidity about science while painfully not posting any substance of science.
You are highlighting my point. Abiogenesis has no evidence whatsoever. You can't post any. But your ignorance keeps you posting nonsense about scientists laughing.
Well, I'm laughing too fido. And each time you publish another nothing post, I get the giggles again.
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@Goldtop
Still no evidence on abiogenesis.
Never said anything of the sort
Lol. OK Einstein.
Would you be able to post some evidence if you had 8,000 peer reviewed papers? Hop to it Einstein. People are starting to wonder about your inability to post substance.
Maybe if you told it to the tree? Lol.
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@bsh1
Yeah, involuntary doxxing is the possibility this idea opens up.
But I think his intention was good.
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@Goldtop
Stop being stupid. All you do is go around saying this is science, and scientists will laugh at you. Post some substance please. How many times will you post the same vacuous "you don't know science" silliness.
Post some of the science you claim to know. I hope you've learned some since your DDO days where you claimed that photons existed at the core of black holes.
Post one bit of evidence for abiogenesis instead of telling us once again the empty, "you are a creationist". If you have no science, step aside and let people with sense speak. No one cares how much science you think you know.
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@mustardness
Repeating stupidity will not aid you.
Insulting others will not aid you.
Writing stupid posts with weird nonsensical symbols won't help you.
Even being obtuse won't help you.
Your post #1 was gibberish. Your argument is nonsense. I have dealt with people like you, repeating silliness because you have nothing of any sense left to say. I don't mind.
Be as dumb as you like. It saves me the trouble.
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@mustardness
Stop trying to use American idioms, you don't speak English well enough, you sound like an idiot.
And you call others idiots and chimps.
Denial of truth is your ego speaking and the greatest danger to humanity.
idio-ump and trumpazes are insults homer.
The greatest danger to humanity are people like you, confused by political correctness and thinking they are entitled to other people's money.
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@Ramshutu
These are all repeatable experiments - and do not by any means postulate impossible conditions.
Untrue. They all postulate a condition that has never been observed anywhere in the known universe. How do you know the conditions are possible if there has never been a single instance of them anywhere in all recorded history?
Science deals with what is possible. Life from non-life is not. It is actually science that tells us that life comes only from life.As a result they fully match any reasonable criterial you have for what is considered “science”.
That is why hardly anyone can name an experiment on abiogenesis performed after Urey-Miller.
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I just asked a simple question Darwin. With whom would your "first" chicken mate? Is the question too hard?
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I thought it was because of the possibility of doxxing it opened up.
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Our 2 space balls have weighed in. Linate, you want to top it off?
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@mustardness
Repeating yourself doesn't make your gibberish better. You tell everyone the same thing. Does it not dawn on you that if everyone is saying that you are incoherent, something is wrong with you?
Read Fuller's bio genius. He was uneducated. You aren't either.
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@mustardness
You seem to be only interested in alien children. As such, you are a moral hypocrite. Crying with crocodile tears.
Citizens will stay here, in their country. You will have to go back to the filthy slum your culture made.
We will decide how our money is used, not you non- productive leeches. Trump is president. Get over it genius.
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@mustardness
These are the morons calling other people idiots and chimps.
You have Cletus. And you call others idiots and chimps. I have found that it is almost virtually morons alone who do that.No one in this thread has called you either of those names
Thanks for admitting that you do support the silliness of the OP.
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@linate
Lol. Even bully isn't this dense.
The first chicken, came from, or descended from, a hybrid chicken, which could mate with....from roll please....chickens.
So the first chicken could mate with chickens. I guess "first" doesn't mean what it used to.
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@disgusted
When you can answer the question, we will be surprised together.
Until then, troll on.
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@Blade-of-Truth
Are you the poster that was known as AirMax (or some variation of) on DDO?
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Are you asking me or telling me?
Does it matter?
The contradiction is that this so called "god" encouraged one person to touch him and disallowed another to touch him.
Several hours later. So what? He should be always either touchable or untouchable? That is an inane assumption. Why assume that?
The scripture mentions nothing about it being ok to do so later in the day.
The scripture also mentions nothing about it being NOT ok to do so later in the day.
The risen man was still earthbound, he tells us he is not a spirit and he has obviously not descended at that time, as I am reasonably confident it would have been mentioned if he had "ascended to his father".
And what is that " confidence" built on? Is the Holy Spirit speaking to you? The bible doesn't have to mention every single thing, and when it doesn't, it does not necessarily mean it didn't happen. Think a little.
If you believe it was somehow all to do with "time or timing" please provide us with the evidence.
The evidence is the words of Jesus Himself. He said to Mary, don't touch me, and several hours later says to the disciples, "come touch me." Are you trying to be silly?
Until then, this still stands as yet another somewhat bias,anomalous contradiction, by these gospel writers.
Nothing you say "stands" because you say it. This is debate. Only facts stand. Your opinions don't.
It is interesting that both yourself and Mopac have different reasons for this anomalous contradiction.
No we don't. Mopac is right. Jesus was saying, "do not detain me". But I know from history you aren't bright enough to debate linguistics. I also know I can prove you wrong using your own childish interpretation, so I did that.
Nothing becomes wrong because you slap the word " anomalous" on it. Unless you can tell us why Jesus should have been perpetually touchable or untouchable, your assumption is just ignorant assumption.
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@drafterman
Defend your claim. Abiogenesis has no scientific evidence at all. None. Theories do not mean the idea is true.
Correct, but that's what science is: theories. We're talking about science, remember?
Science is more than theories. And not all theories are science. Abiogenesis is wishful fantasy, not science.
This is not evidence. It's inductive logic. And it is poor thinking.
Science incorporates a variant of inductive logic known as abductive logic.
When it becomes evidence for abiogenesis, let us know.
Namely your, "Ergo life had to arise from non-life:" it does not necessarily follow from the premise.
I'm open to alternative deductions. Do you have one?
Alternatives to illogic? Science does not settle for an illogical deduction because it has no other. Whether we have an alternative or not, nonsense remains nonsense, and does not become validated because you feel you have no "alternative".
So you then assume it HAS happened?
In nature? Currently? No, I don't assume that.
Oh yes you do. But you have no scientific reason to. On what fact of science do you base abiogenesis?
I am simply noting we lack the requisite knowledge to rule out that it has happened or is happening with the level of certainty you display.
Why? In 6,000 years of scientific observation and experimentation, we have seen that life NEVER comes spontaneously. Every bit of scientific evidence shows life comes from life. All of it. Yet you cling to a theory not only with no evidence whatsoever, but which is consistently contradicted by clear science. Why?
That's what's science is about, baby.
Not real science. Maybe that is what the no evidence fantasy you push is about, but not science.
No, for this specific statement we were talking about laboratory conditions
While you play semantics, I will keep reminding you that you have absolutely no scientific reason to think abiogenesis is valid and worth investigation. None.
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@disgusted
Probably in the same place your intelligence is.Where's your zeus?
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Paying criminals not to rob "makes sense" to this genius.
So does paying illegals not to come here.
And paying for criminal parents not to be separated from kids.
These people have more use for our money than we do. Want some of that money? Just commit a crime, and they will pay you not to do it again.
These are the morons calling other people idiots and chimps.
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Paying criminals not to rob "makes sense" to this genius.
So does paying illegals not to come here.
And paying for criminal parents not to be separated from kids.
These people have more use for our money than we do. Want some of that money? Just commit a crime, and they will pay you not to do it again.
These are the morons calling other people idiots and chimps.
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@Stephen
I'm still waiting for the contradiction.
Jesus tells Mary not to touch him (debating translations with anti-theists is silly) hours later, He invites the disciples to touch Him. Where is the contradiction?
Is it that Jesus could never be touched because that morning, He told Mary not to touch Him? Why could He not be touched hours later? What's the contradiction?
All I see here is Jesus giving Mary a reason why she should not touch Him, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: is it not possible that that reason no longer applied hours later when He met the disciples? Why assume it did?
Where is the contradiction?
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@David
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@disgusted
Reported. Thanks.Thousands of years multiplied by thousands of scholars has been indisputably refuted by some simpleton on the internet. HOORAH.You fucking moron.
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@mustardness
Bucky Fuller was an uneducated kook. It is not surprising that you worship him.
Your "givens" were off topic. You come onto threads and spout gibberish that make sense only to you. No one is interested in your manifesto. Make sense, or be prepared for people thinking you're a loon.As per your and others usual, you offer no rational, logical common sense that invalidates any of my givens.
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@disgusted
The "proto-chicken" is yours so the onus is on you, I've never mentioned a "proto-chicken".
Lol. You've never mentioned anything. You posts are vacuous. But you did enter a thread that claimed the first chicken came from an egg and agreed with that. So the question is, what did this first chicken mate with?
So are we.I'm waiting.
I made no claim that a chicken was created from nothing
And I asked you no questions about how chickens were created. Pay attention.
Then explain where you think it came from.
After you answer the question you're dodging. What did your first chicken mate with?
You have no clue do you?
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@mustardness
Same to you. And please take idio-ump and any other Trumpanzees with you.
Take them where? Trump was legally elected president of America, you aren't even a citizen. Take them where? You are confused.
Your message #1 is idiotic nonsense, that is why you can't address criticism to it.Please learn the truth/facts in message #1 before you post in this thread again.
What difference does it make if parents are separated from their children at the border, or in Clarksville Tennessee? You seem to be only interested in alien children.
You are the very type of political correct doofus that caused the people to vote Trump into office. For you, America's money and land is for foreigners first. No wonder you're angry.
So no matter what stupidity you post, you aren't an American, and it is Americans who decide, not you, not the UN, and not mooching illegals.
Trump and his supporters will stay here. You have to go. This isn't your country. And if you don't like who the American people choose as their leader, tough bananas. Your stupidity cannot change that.
But it does make us see why Trump is president and you're an illegal alien insisting that other people's money should be given to you. Trump is not an idiot because he won't let you freeload off America, but you are an idiot for demanding it.
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@Goldtop
I do. I remember when you did that weird thing of posting the same "tell it to the tree" stupidity to every post to you. That was childish. You seem to have managed to keep the boy in you.Still as childish as ever. You do realize that's how children talk, E? Lol.
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@mustardness
We've done what we needed to do, that is, show your argument to be nonsense.
I have since seen that you seem to specialize in illogical arguments.
Ever once in a while, we get a poster Like you. In your own universe, and unable to see that you aren't normal.
Go and be happy.
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@3RU7AL
They believe it as if its fact though.Good point. I'd say abiogenesis is more of a hypothesis.
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@3RU7AL
Just a heads up, Goldy is a well known troll from DDO. Don't take him too seriously.
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@ravensjt
Yes, it does. Thanks. I knew I could not be wrong about you.This aint complex..... If Blacks are in Power and the persecute Whites based off of their Race, then thats Racism that includes but is not limited to South African Blacks.... does that obvious disclaimer make it more clear?
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@Goldtop
20 posts now saying nothing but assertion.
Post some of your evidence for abiogenesis Einstein. Stop telling us how "scientists" love it and post something of substance. Otherwise, your posts have become repetitive.
Evidence jethro. Not assertions.
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@drafterman
You are now trying to ooze to "life always existing". Defend your claim. Abiogenesis has no scientific evidence at all. None. Theories do not mean the idea is true.There is no scientific theory that suggests that life has always exists. We're talking about science, right?
Plenty of scraps. At some point in Earth's history there wasn't life. At some point there was. Ergo life had to arise from non-life: abiogenesis. We're just working on the details.
This is not evidence. It's inductive logic. And it is poor thinking. Namely your, "Ergo life had to arise from non-life:" it does not necessarily follow from the premise. Worse, there is no scientific evidence to support it. None.
I mentioned that creation Ex Nihilo is a form of abiogenesis. You said you didn't see how.
That is a lie. You said, "Science leads to abiogenesis" I said science does not lead to abiogenesis. Dishonesty will not help your position.
The only way to confirm that abiogenesis never happens in nature would be to have complete knowledge of everything going on in nature. No one has that.
So you then assume it HAS happened? Since you likewise can't disprove God, do you believe He exists? No? Hypocrite much?
Ever. Since records began. Anywhere. In any experiment. Any lab. Any farm. Anywhere.
Yep. And?
The Gentle Readers who have not had their thinking crippled by anti-theism will know.
Lol, OK. There is no scientific mechanism for abiogenesis. It has NEVER been known to happen. No science supports it. But that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
You are correct in that we have not figured out the exact scientific mechanisms under which abiogenesis happened. We're still looking.
Why? You have not established it can happen. Or has ever happened. You are looking for what isn't science. Fantasy. Since there is no evidence for it whatsoever, why are you looking? Especially when science has given you a consistent answer for the last 6,000 years?
We weren't talking about "instances in nature" we were talking about in experiments. No experiment has set up sustained fusion. Ergo, according to your logic, fusion is impossible.
Illogical. We are talking about both. At least we do know fusion can occur. You have no such proof for abiogenesis. What is it that makes you think it can happen? It must be faith, because there is no scientific reason at all. None.
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@Goldtop
Someone obviously asked you.No one asked you to post your ignorance of science here,....
You should have declined.
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@IlDiavolo
Thank you.It is not true nor false. It is just a hypothesis prone to speculation.I think this hypothesis comes along with the evolution theory, mere spectulations.
But for how long will they hold on to this groundless speculation? In 6,000 years there has been no evidence, and no instance in nature or the lab. Not one instance in recorded human history. Why?
It's baseless speculation. It certainly isn't science.
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@ravensjt
Thank you.To believe in Abiogenesis and then worse yet to call it Science seems to be a claim of faithThe exact thing that Atheists ridicule Theists over
And both of us agree faith is normal, it just should not be presented as science.
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@drafterman
If one of the alternatives to abiogenesis is to say that life always existed, forever, so what? There have been theories that stipulate the universe has always existed. We go where the science leads, we do not choose it's destination.
Lol. Without one scrap of evidence? When you wake up, look up real science.Science leads to abiogenesis.
Abiogenesis means "life from non-life". Creation Ex Nihilo means "creation from nothing." Nothing is non-life. Creation is life. Creation Ex Nihilo is a form of "life from non-life."
Then go debate the people who ascribe to creation Ex Nihilo. I have never used the term. Argue against what my argument is, not what you try to set it as.
Every single time life has started, it has come from previous life.
Simply put, we don't know that.
Untrue. We do know that. You may not want to admit it, but science is not by preference.
There certainly hasn't been a recorded instance of abiogenesis,.....
Ever. Since records began. Anywhere. In any experiment. Any lab. Any farm. Anywhere.
....but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Lol, OK. There is no scientific mechanism for abiogenesis. It has NEVER been known to happen. No science supports it. But that doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Every single experiment trying to simulate early Earth conditions, or set up conditions for abiogenesis, to see if life can start spontaneously, has failed miserably. All of them.
The same could be said for sustainable fusion. I guess fusion doesn't exist either.
Untrue. Unlike abiogenesis, there are instances in nature of sustainable fusion. Lets not add dishonesty to our ignorance of science OK? There is no instance of abiogenesis anywhere. None.
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@Goldtop
Goldy, when you have some thing other than empty assertion and insult, post it. In the main time, let the adults talk.
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@drafterman
The alternative to abiogenisis is to say that life always existed, forever.
We don't pick and choose science. Real science goes where the truth is. Believing something because you assume there is no alternative is voodoo, not science.
If one of the alternatives to abiogenesis is to say that life always existed, forever, so what? There have been theories that stipulate the universe has always existed. We go where the science leads, we do not choose it's destination.
I don't see how. In 6,000 years of recorded human history, there has NEVER been a single instance of abiogenesis. Not a single one. NEVER. Every single time life has started, it has come from previous life.Even creation ex nihilo is a form of abiogenisis.
Every single experiment trying to simulate early Earth conditions, or set up conditions for abiogenesis, to see if life can start spontaneously, has failed miserably. All of them.
Abiogenesis is a bankrupt idea. No science backs it up. None.
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@ravensjt
Wow. You dodge well.
I asked, "Had South African blacks slaughtered whites wholesale after independence, would that not have been racist?
South Africans slaughtering Whites because they are White is a myth put forth in the media
I did not say it was true. I asked, if it had happened.... There was no need to mention the myth.
It has everything to do with what you said because you implied that blacks in South Africa could not possibly be racist in the context of South Africa. So I asked. You seem to be dancing around the simple question.
Now, to answer your question, If Blacks are in the position of power, and they use this position to exterminate Whites because they are White then of course thats racism
OK, but that is not what I asked you. But don't worry. It is clear that you do not want to answer. I'll let the Gentle Reader decide why you will not or cannot answer.
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@Stephen
We don't accept your excuses and imagination. You were here first trying to peddle your anomalies based on vapor.
There is no reason to accept your babblings.
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@drafterman
That is not just untrue, it is illogical. And I certainly don't accept it.Well, even theists accept abiogenesis (which simply means life from non-life);
It seems to me you should address the illogical, evident-less, gibberish you "accept" rather than speculating on what theists believe.
Feel free to help out your friend and present any scientific evidence for abiogenesis you can find. I know from experience that he comes with only insults when asked for evidence of abiogenesis. He even dodged the simple question to his O.P.
Sure, collude with him. We'll wait.
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@Goldtop
We've been through this Goldy. Basically you assume abiogenesis and then call that science. If you had logical thinking and evidence, you would not need insults.
D-man's false dichotomy of "natural or magic" is just that, a silly assumption pre-assumed to a point.
I know what the scientific method is, and it isn't having no examples, no evidence, and assuming because "nothing else" could be possible.
When you have one bit of scientific evidence for abiogenesis. Please present it. Hint: your OP is not evidence of anything other than your poor grasp of science. You follow the crowd but haven't a clue of what you follow.
We will wait. Go ahead and get all the insults out of your system. That may stall the realization you have no evidence whatsoever, and make you feel emotionally like a winner.
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@mustardness
When you can address posts with something sensible, I might talk to you again. As it is, posting to you is like trying to have a conversation with an autistic tomato plant.
You must be from one of the countries Trump banned. Learn English.
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@ravensjt
I assumed you were refering to the land that was taken from them
How could you misunderstand this question?
"Had South African blacks slaughtered whites wholesale after independence, would that not have been racist?"
Would you like to try it now that you understand it?
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@Goldtop
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How is this related to abiogenesis? How does it indicate abiogenesis?
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