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@RationalMadman
Yet it is the leftists who chant "death to America" as they March to be able to murder babies in the womb.
The Sharia nations are right wing.
Isn't it curious then that they become Democrats when they immigrate here?
Did you see antifa burning and looting businesses and assaulting peaceful citizens? That was fascism.
Actually that is anarchy.
It was both.
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@RationalMadman
Yet it is the leftists who chant "death to America" as they March to be able to murder babies in the womb.
The Sharia nations are right wing.
Isn't it curious then that they become Democrats when they immigrate here?
Did you see antifa burning and looting businesses and assaulting peaceful citizens? That was fascism.
Actually that is anarchy.
It was both.
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@RationalMadman
Your original question was loaded and thus bogus.
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What else would I rather be doing at 7.30 am, on a cold wet and windy Welsh morning?
Are there any other kinds of Welsh mornings?
How's the weather on the Streets of Philadelphia Bruce?
Bruised and battered and wasting away.
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@RationalMadman
Leftists do not hate America,
Sure they do. From Micheal Obama's comment about never being proud of America to Antifa chanting "death to America", Liberals hate America.
...you are correct that those that hate America tend to actually be right-wing
Was I correct too that the moon is made of green cheese?
and the only examples of violent insurrection in America, both very recently and in the past, has been done by right-wing-sided Anarchists as well as international hatred from right-wing Sharia nations.
Lol. The only examples of violent insurrection in America is in your TDS swamped mind.
Leftists wish America would join the rest of the highly developed world and be a social democracy
Leftist want America to be socialist and part of some global village.
...rather than moving towards Fascism.
Did you see antifa burning and looting businesses and assaulting peaceful citizens? That was fascism.
It is the right-wing who despise America and declare it needs to be made 'great again' because they are sick of its shift towards caring for the poor and vulnerable.
Yet it is the leftists who chant "death to America" as they March to be able to murder American children in the womb. You need to be introduced to reality.
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Matthew7:7-8“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Ask what? Anything? That is what the OP would have you believe. Check the chapter in Matthew to get the context.
Cases of supposed believers asking and not receiving are even in the Bible.
Jas 4:3 - When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
Jas 4:4 - You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
WTF happened!!?
Nothing. People found out that God was not their Butler. And others, pissed off that God wouldn't be their genie, call the Bible a cruel lie.
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@RationalMadman
GDP is only one metric of economics, in other metrics of economics, they fail.
Yet if you adjust for Federal dollars, red stated do better economically, and this is proven by voter flight away from blue states to red.
Average disposable income becomes lower than ever, the longer it has been since a Democrat was in power. This is because Democrats tax more progressively and use the tax money far more efficiently for things that actually help those in the nation that need it,
You have forgotten that it is Congress that decides tax law, Democrats take from the people that make an income, and give it to people that mooch off the government. So wealth generators stop producing under democratic congresses. It's called the socialist paradox.
...rather than putting the funding into the military because they've pissed off every nation on the planet except for Saudi Arabia.
This silly liberal talking point about America is looked down upon by most other countries is just liberal gaslighting. I travel the world, and everywhere I go, the American embassy is choked with people wanting to come here. Our programs and movies and culture is popular all over the world. What liberals mean is that America is hated by leftist European governments who are bummed that Trump stopped their gravy train.
Liberals tend to project their own "I hate America" bias onto the world. The only places the American flag is burned are in Islamic countries and American leftist antifa mob demonstrations.
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Let me do an instant replay on the fakery...
“It’s time to stand up against the muzzling of America.” — Senator Josh Hawley in a tweet and op-ed for the New York Post
Danielle's first comment - I’m being censored.
Danielle's second comment - *I am being absolutely and completely muzzled.
See the slick morph?
So now all she has to do is show Senator on ONE news show to "prove" he isn't being "absolutely and completely muzzled". Though being "absolutely and completely muzzled" is her own lie hoisted onto Senator Hawley. Slick no?
But ask yourselves, if Danielle's argument is true, why the need for dishonest trickery?
*Fact-Checked by a licensed Marxist.
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@Greyparrot
Because nobody could pay Trump to fuck the economy up.
Shucks, Trump didn't even take a salary.
Biden on the other hand is very open to any and all offers.
There is video of him bragging about it. And a money trail of his son being in the pockets of the Russians and Chinese.
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@Trent0405
I'm sure you're a nice guy, but you will not understand the reason why your post was ridiculously illogical. Your last post confirms that. It would be a waste of my time to try and explain it to you, and you would probably come away feeling insulted, and that is not my intention. Have a good day!
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@Tradesecret
So it seems apart from you and the Brother, everyone else knew that I was seeking questions in an attempt to open up the subject, not because I was ignorant of the subject.Your views are welcome on my pages. I take the view you have a right to speak your opinions and this is ok. Yet I also have a right to disagree with you.And I am pleased you are back. Just like I am glad the Brother showed up again. Despite your spite and his spite, I will respond when I think it is appropriate and not because either you or he wants to goad me into a discussion.Welcome to the topic.
Well said.
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@BrotherDThomas
Hi Dee Dee,
You admit that you worship a greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, malevolent, abortionist, and an outright serial killer.
Do you expect anyone to take you to be anything other than a stupid fool?
How can you expect anyone to take you seriously? If you worship a greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, malevolent, abortionist, and an outright serial killer, you must be one too.
But I'm still here for you, you selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak. Ethan doesn't judge. He just accepts what doofuses say about themselves.
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@HistoryBuff
Policy wise, he did almost nothing they didn't want him to do.
Strange then that they were pissed at him huh?
There are virtually no "leftists" in the US government.
Kamala and Biden want to open our borders and fund abortions worldwide. It seems nothing short of Ché would qualify as leftist to you. Could that be because YOU'RE loony left yourself?
I agree activism is bad for the courts.
Yet you agree with every activist judgement from those activist courts! I smell fakery.
So the US massively over funds it's military, so obviously everyone else is at fault....
Please don't be stupid. The amounts Europe were to pay was written down in our defense pact. Even Europe agreed Trump was right. Being knee-jerk against Trump to the detriment of simple truth is absurd.
even if that is true,...
This art is fact.
...he accomplished absolutely nothing
This part is opinion. TDS laced opinion.
so you are saying it is his fault we have waves of lunatics spreading the most bald faced, crazy lies they can in an attempt to try to outdo each other and grab attention? That is a horrible thing.
The horrible thing is that you think standing so close to lies doesn't affect you.
...these "democrats" are cesspools are lies, propaganda and insane conspiracy theories. They are doing huge damage to america.
Fixed that for ya.
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@HistoryBuff
Lol. And Trump benefited from the Obama great economy. If TDS was fatal, Dart would be suffering a membership downswing.
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@Trent0405
The fact that you think your post was logical, and worse, not ashamed to post it, shows that you will notunderstand the reason why it was ridiculously illogical.
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@RationalMadman
If they are idiots, how come the countries economy does better under Republican presidents? And is Biden the Democrats idea of a genius? Does reality matter to them?
Your first question is a total lie.
After some research, you amended...
Aside from the fact this is untrue, they (Republicans) often try to force a surge in GDP by sacrificing all other areas of concern politically.
You know it isn't a lie, and if you had support for your claim, you would have posted it. What you're doing here is attempting to pass your bias off as fact.
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@3RU7AL
(IFF) it is against GOD'S nature to "do nothing" (THEN) GOD is compelled to act by necessity
Fakery.
First, nowhere is it asserted that it was against God's nature to "do nothing". Doing nothing is not an "act".
Second, even if it was against GOD'S nature to "do nothing" (THEN) GOD would be compelled to act by His nature, not by necessity.
Integrity is a necessary ingredient of good debate.
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Is the following statement "fact" or "opinion"?"Your DebateArt.com user-icon is 2 centimeters square on my computer screen."
(IFF) you can't verify a claim (THEN) that claim CANNOT be considered a FACT.
Have fun while you wallow in what "we consider", when you wish to talk about "what is", let me know.
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@Theweakeredge
....please present evidence.... B. that Biden will "tank" the economy.
I will be accepting your rationalizations and excuses for a tanked economy in December.
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@Theweakeredge
No...this is saying, IF god is a moral creature,
God is not a creature. Your first premise is false.
THEN that god has a moral obligation to help those that they are able too.
This is opinonly an opinion, and even then, an opinion which applies to only humans. Except for faith, there is no reason we need accept this as true.
IF you can do so without any consequent to yourself, THEN you ought to eliminate all evil.
This is again only bald assertion, but there is consequence to God, that is why He is ridding the universe of evil in a JUST way, and not as a despot.
This is a question of ethics, and god does not fulfill that burden.
Your burden is illogical and self serving, but you're right, God ignores it, as He should. You actually think God must observe and be beholden to, some silly code of His creation!
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@3RU7AL
What does your god want me to do?
I'm not His prophet. But why would He want you to do anything?
Why on earth do you keep talking about it then?
I haven't a clue what you're babbling about. Check our exchanges, it is you who almost always brings up God.
If you don't want to debate, fine, but stop asking me questions when you won't answer mine. No one is here to be interrogated or lectured to by you.
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oundation of modern conservatism is driven by a clinging to God in fear of the world, whereas the foundation of modern liberalism is a clinging to the world in fear of God; albeit, the true foundation should be one's clinging to God in fear of God.
Criss Jami, Salomé: In Every Inch In Every Mile
Conservatives generally accept the world as it is; they distrust the politics of abstract reason – that is, reason divorced from experience.
Benjamin Wiker
For every act of independent thinking puts some portion of an apparently stable world in peril.
B R Ambedkar
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March of 2020
The real reason Twitter started all the hatred towards Trump.
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@Theweakeredge
You should want to suffer...yeah that doesn't sound like an abusive spouse at all.. as someone who's starting to study pyschology, all of these scream red flags of a toxic relationship to me... as in, the checklist we have to learn about... this checks all the parameters..IfI had to come up with the archetype of abusive relationship, this is the one I would choose without a doubt.
You keep chasing a life free of suffering and you will suffer more. Nothing worthwhile in life is achieved without suffering.
But I don't subscribe to the morality of suffering, where the greatest evil is suffering because that makes the greatest virtue pleasure. And I know neither is true.
Furthermore you said, "Incorrect god says"...
You said that. I was quoting you.
...all it says is that god has a moral obligation to help any of his children just as a parent would, regardless if it was the fault of the child.
"It" may be your claim, but it certainly isn't the verse, because the verse doesn't say that.
And I asked you
1. Whose morality is God obligated to? You didn't answer.
2. I said God isn't your parent. You failed to address that.
3. I said you are not His child. You dodged that...
And simply returned with your lame, unsupported claims. This is a debate liberal. You must address the rebuttals or they stand.
...I don't care what the bible says, I'm talking about proper ethics.
Funny that you quoted the Bible then. You're telling us your opinions and expecting God to abide by them. The same God you feel you have no obligation to, is the one you think should be obligated to your whims. Good luck with that.
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@ILikePie5
House of cards. Man, that was a good show.
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@RationalMadman
@Greyparrot
...now please give me defence of all the Republican presidents.
The Republican presidents need no defense. But when you have the MSM constantly barking in your ear, you think every bump is a burglar.
If a Democrat president is never asked anything important by state propaganda media, is he still an idiot?
Who knows, the 4th estate arm of the DNC never lets us know.
If they are idiots, how come the countries economy does better under Republican presidents? And is Biden the Democrats idea of a genius? Does reality matter to them?
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@zedvictor4
Move on.....
I had. You followed me here atheist.
>>BANG!!<<
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@Polytheist-Witch
One of the things I liked about PW was that like me, she was big on personal responsibility. All that atheist jawing about theists dodging personal responsibility while they dodged like champs got called out with her.
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I wouldn't say God acts by necessity or that His nature compels Him to perform certain acts. I would say though that God cannot act against His nature
That seems to be a distinction without a difference.
If "by necessity" and "compels" mean the same thing as "cannot act" then sure.
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@fauxlaw
Don't forget how he vowed that he would NOT end fracking.
Biden said the Trump had mismanaged covid and that the people who died under Trump's administration were his fault.
Now, even with Trump's miracle speed on getting a vaccine, Biden says it will get worse before it gets better. Had Trump not been cheated out of his win, Biden would have blamed the "getting worse" on Trump.
Biden led us to believe he and his team would get cracking on covid on the first day, and that unlike Trump, he had a real plan. All lies. He had nothing. He's done nothing except rejoin the WHO, ensuring that our money will now go to places like Togo and Yemen, instead of Topeka and Yosemite.
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I was going to post till I saw this was a thread for TDS sufferers to get support for their withdrawal symptoms through nonprofessional analysis of Trump's mental state.
Never mind.
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@RationalMadman
It's a fake question. The Obama and Clinton presidencies outmatched all others in corruption.
For Trump, all you can point to are lies carried by outraged Democrats. But we can point to Benghazi, Steele dossier, Obamacare, Irangate, fake red lines, you can choose your own doctor, the lipstick stained dress, the list email server, and countless other shams that the Democrats try to pretend not to see.
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@Dr.Franklin
@HistoryBuff
Trump though that the GOP had his back when they wanted to drain the swamp since he won the primary and then the election itself, this was his fatal error as the GOP establishment wanted business as usual
so he is a complete idiot... You believe he wanted to drain the swamp and thought that the swamp creatures would help him out with that. I can't imagine being more stupid than that.
That is a poor read of Trump. Trump was never blind to the RINO's, but America is a 2 party state. Trump ran as a Republican because, first, Independants cannot win, and second, because the Democrats are worse. He had to use Republicans to fight democrats, there was nobody else. When the time came, he fought Republicans and pissed them off too.
Fights like gaining back the country from leftist loons and bringing sanity back to government take years. Our instant gratification crowd wanted Trump to do it in 4 years. These are people who would have fallen by the wayside in the struggles against racism and for women's rights. Those efforts took YEARS, and many people who took up the baton after a previous leader had fallen.
Trump has fundamentally changed America, and those changes will out last Trump himself. Most Americans did not know how fake the MSM was before Trump exposed them. Liberal Political correctness had a chokehold on society before Trump came and dismissed the perpectually hysterical SJWs. Activism had infected our courts to the point that out legal judgements had become a laughing stock around the world. Trump put the kybash on all that idiocy.
Europe was not paying their fair share for their defense. Trump exposed that. China was invading our markets but not letting us into theirs. Trump called them out on it. No other President ever had. Trump exposed the stinking leftist bias in big tech. It is because of him that we have Parler, Gab, Newsmax, OANN, and countless new apps and sites coming up, and old cancel culture sites like Twitter, Facebook, and Google going down.
The battle isn't over by a long shot.
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@Vader
Had you not announced on Dart that you had contracted the virus, you surely would have died in hospital. Celebrities like Trump, Johnson, and Star Athletes cannot die of Covid if their contracting of the virus is published before they seek treatment.
I do not personally know a single person who has died from covid, though I know many who claim to have been infected.
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@Theweakeredge
Incorrect... god says
"John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God"So even if I grant that claim, that means that no christian should be harmed...
How do you get to that conclusion? And how does this verse make me incorrect?
...they are all children of god... also, okay.. a random child ran into the middle of the street. Someone can stop the child from being harmed without any danger to them, I suppose you think you should just let them die because, "they choose to."
Your point seems to have morphed. I haven't a clue why you think Christian should not suffer or be subject to the laws of nature. God's goal is bigger than our short lives here. That verse doesn't support your conclusion.
Romans 5: 3 - 5
3. And not only so, but we glory in suffering also: knowing that suffering produces patience;
4. And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope makes us not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given to us.
Who told you that Christian doctrine says Christians shouldn't suffer?
You are looking at the death of a child like a human restrained by death. To God, death is reversable and not an end. The only reason you think God should stop suffering is because..... you think He should. So what? Why should God be subject to what you think?
1 Peter 2:20-21
20 ....But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
We are not greater than our Master. He suffered, and we will suffer too.
I'll tell you again. You don't know what Christianity is. What you now know is a mish-mash of gibberish gleened from atheist websites and internet loons. You are free to reject Christianity, but shouldn't you know what you are rejecting?
Jde 1:10 - But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.
Jde 1:11 - Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
Jde 1:12 - These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;
Jde 1:13 - raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
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This just isn't the case.
Unfortunately, it is quite the case.
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@BrotherDThomas
Who are you posting to Dee Dee?
Your schtick isn't working you Landover Lemming.
You are on record that you worship a greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, malevolent, abortionist, and an outright serial killer.
Who do you think looks like a stupid fool?
I'll give you 3 guesses and we'll throw out the 1st 2.
Lol!
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@BrotherDThomas
You admit that you worship a greedy, jealous, selfish, self-centered, petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capricious, malevolent, abortionist, and an outright serial killer.
Do you expect anyone to take you to be anything other than a stupid fool?
I guess you don't.
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The only people I know who have died from COVID are non-celebrities, sorry.
Ok. Of the people you know who have died from covid, how many of them did you know had covid before you knew they had died, as in, before they had actually died? (You can give numbers instead of names if that is more comfortable for you)
(If you have blocked me, then responding to my post is sort of skanky Draft)
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@oromagi
Good points, but let's look at it ok?
I am guessing you are overestimating the odds of some celebrity meeting all your conditions.
I don't care one way or another. I just think it's weird.
You've got enough overlapping and even exclusionary conditions to make it fairly unlikely that even 1 person meets your reqirements in that set of 11,000.
Really? Ok, now how about celebrities who meet all the requirements except that they survived. There are tons of those. Why? I agree that celebrities generally get better healthcare, but nobody can name even one case?
Still, what about Luke Letlow?
I researched it, and I cannot find any record on the internet of his announcing on Dec. 18th that he has Covid. Can you post the reference? Also, he did not die of Covid.
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@ludofl3x
Bye Felishia!
It's FelCia, dumbass.
Thanks for confirming you're an idiot, Felcia.
Bye Felishia!
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No. but if the god of the bible existed they would have a moral obligation to help all of humanity, regardless of who caused the harm.
Sez who? Why should I believe this? How can God be obligated? And whose morality is God obligated to?
Does a parent let their child be run over because, "they didn't listen" or, "they choose their fate!" no, hell no, fuck the kid's "free-will" you care more about the kid then their choice to run into the street.
But God isn't your parent. You aren't His child. What you want is a Genie God who only serves you, while you have no obligation to Him at all. God isn't a chump either.
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@3RU7AL
Is the following statement "fact" or "opinion"?
"Your DebateArt.com user-icon is 2 centimeters square on my computer screen."
You still aren't getting it. Never mind, some people aren't intellectually equiped to get it.
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@3RU7AL
@Theweakeredge
The biblical definition of mercy, or at least the merciful that the god of the bible is - is to not punish the sinners who are fundamentally evil
Proverbs 11:21 - Assuredly, the evil man will not go unpunished, But the descendants of the righteous will be delivered.
I keep telling you that you don't know Christianity, but your ego fools you into believing I'm trying to insult you. I'm not. You haven't a clue of what you're rejecting.
God's morality then, is His belief about what is wrong and what is right when it comes to our behavior.
How do you know "the mind of god"?
I do not know the "mind" of God. I only know what He tells me.
More specifically,
What does your god want me to do?
I'm not His prophet. But why would He want you to do anything? It seems to me you are the one who would want Him the do something. God is not deaf or mute, if you think He wants you to do something, ask Him.
Essentially, though on a larger scale, as it would take nothing of a such a powerful being to help, thus, as corny as it might sound - with power comes responsibility, and what isn't said is that the more power you have the more responsibility you have.
With responsibility comes authority. Do you respect God? Obey Him? Believe Him? Why in the world should God throw you a rope? What makes Him responsible for you? Especially as you have shown Him no respect or consideration?
God is not your genie, or your servant, or your dad.
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@ludofl3x
Instead of showing an example that proves me wrong, or admitting that you cannot, you use innuendo to say I'm a conspiracy theorist? That is your standard of logic? That is your argument?
Lol! Ok liberal. I know all you have to do these days accuse a person of conspiracy and you win. Go tell your friends, the people who want to talk about this, will. Bye Felishia!
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@Theweakeredge
(one cannot be all-merciful and all justice the two contradict the most two words can)
How?
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@ludofl3x
Don't be Petty Ludo. I used celebrity because they can more easily be verified. The point is not the celebrity status. But who would know who you were talking about if the person was not famous? The fact remains that none of you can verify a person who, in a published story before hospitalization, was infected with covid, and subsequently reported to have died from Covid.
Add this fact to the WHO admitting inflated covid death stats, and stories about overflowing hospitals not panning out, and one begins to think something stinks in Denmark.
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@3RU7AL
UNVERIFIABLE "FACT" IS INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM OPINION.
In the dark red is indistinguishable from blue, but that doesn't make red blue, or not red. Our ability to distinguish does not affect reality. This is a simple truism that you should be able to grasp easily.
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@3RU7AL
God's emotional state is irrelevant. Objective does not mean, "emotion-free".
ob·jec·tive | \ əb-ˈjek-tiv , äb- \Definition of objective(Entry 1 of 2)1a: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations [LINK]
See the (Entry 1 of 2) in your link? That means the word can have more than one meaning.
Objective morality, in the simplest terms, is the belief that morality is universal, meaning that it isn't up for interpretation.
In philosophy, objectivity is the concept of truth independent from individual subjectivity (bias caused by one's perception, emotions, or imagination). A proposition is considered to have objective truth when its truth conditions are met without bias caused by a sentient subject.
Objective means bias free, not emotion free.
Please explain, "The concept of God's morality".
There are many philosophical interpretations of morality, but let's keep it simple. Morality is our belief about what is wrong and what is right when it comes to our behavior. God's morality then, is His belief about what is wrong and what is right when it comes to our behavior.
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@3RU7AL
CONCEPTS =/= OBJECTS
I know and did not say they were.
You have no way of verifying my statement.
This makes it INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM OPINION.
The statement is still either true or false. Our "knowing" has no bearing on reality. That is one of the uses of logic, to find out what is real even when we cannot perceive it.
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