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Lol! Willows thinks talking to his sock will lend them credibility. Funny.
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@Stephen
Repeating your posts after they have been answered is spam Stephen.
Your questions were addressed in post #110 above.
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@zedvictor4
I don't know where you get your implications, but it isn't from me.
Complaining because God didn't do things the way you would have liked them done, is childish, and the basic core argument of every militant atheist here.
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@zedvictor4
I just think that expecting the rest of the World to be exactly as we want it to be, is unreasonable.
And immature. A trait I have concluded is necessary for atheism.
Though people think it the same, "expecting the rest of the World to NOT be exactly as we DON'T want it to be, is just as unreasonable and immature.
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@Theweakeredge
Father figures in the family unit...
Mm, then why do female only homosexual couples have just as consistent rates of child raising?
Why are you talking about "rates" in child raring? Fathers are needed. Children suffer if there is no strong father figure. The African American minority in America show this, the generation growing up after WWII show this. Kids raised by female only homosexual couples are not OK. PC culture forces you to accept that nonsense as truth.
why are these mutually exclusive?
These traits are not "taught", they are absorbed by the child. Men do not just need to be physically present, they must engage with the child. Men and women ARE mutually exclusive.
It is PC culture that forces you to accept that they aren't as truth.
The birth rate in a country...
Why are masculine traits contingent to have children?
I did not say they were contingent to have children. I tire of having to point out to you what I didn't say. I said they affected the birth rate. Males are more sexually aggressive, and both men and women are more comfortable with men initiating sex. Fewer men, (or fewer manly men) means less sex, which affects the birth rate. Some countries currently have a negative birth rate and are facing cultural extinction.
Suicide rates
Proof?
Look it up. I'm not one of those posters you can hamper with inane demands for " proof" of things that are commonly known and easily accessed on the net. I can do this because I don't give one fig about whether you believe me or not. Do your own homework.
Abortion rates
Not necessarily immoral, also proof?
I said nothing about morality. I said it affected abortion rates. If it affects the sex rate, it affects the abortion rate.
I don't think any of these objections are valid
Of course, because your thinking has been besotted and crippled by Political correctness. You believe things which are untrue and hold contradictory ideas as true.
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@Stephen
Why are you posting this to me, Ethang 5 ? It looks like to me like the intended recipient was 3RU7AL
It was in response to your post #95. Did you forget it?
No I didn't forget. I responded to that.
And I was responding to you. Are you confused?
But you have now made clear that won't be discussing the "spirit " with me at least and I am not too surprised as you have, on the few odd threads that you have created declined to discuss subjects that we even appear to agree on........ in part at least.
Your dismal attitude and dishonest style are the problem Stephen. And when we try to point it out to you, you become vulgar, call us liars, dodge, and then spam the silliness again. Have you noticed that fewer and fewer people want to discuss anything with you?
Is Jesus responsible for what is written in the New Testament?
Does Jesus tell His followers to call Him "The Amen" in the NT?
And how come you want to accept on one hand what the Dead Sea Scroll have to say on Jesus being " light" when they work in your favour, but then straightaway, in the next breath, you appear dismissing the dead sea scrolls as heresy
Any text that agrees with scripture is correct, though not scripture. Any text that contradicts scripture is wrong and should be rejected. The dead sea scrolls is not scripture. When I copy bible verses, that copy is not scripture.
Do you believe the Dead Sea Scrolls to be heresy? You mentioned the Scrolls before I did princess.
Mentioning something does not automatically mean I endorse or reject it. It depends on what my mention says. Plus, a thing does not need to be rejected entirely if parts of it are correct.
You have used and referenced the Dead Sea Scrolls to support your "god is light" argument.
I did not. You are just not a good thinker so I won't try to explain it to you, the comment was to 3RU7AL anyway. But I will say that "God is Light" is not an argument. It is scripture. And I said was that the verse is also found in the dead sea scrolls.
So tell me, why is one from the same source heresy and another acceptableto you ?
Because sources do not have to be 100% right or wrong. Sources can contain many claims. Some true and some false.
...also in the dead sea scrolls where we read of the lovely Peter, AKA the lords "rock" saying to Jesus "let Mary leave us, for woman are not worthy of life”. .
Because it contradicts other known scripture. The bible is one book, you like to take verses out of context. First, Peter is not "the Lord's rock", you have been fooled by Roman Catholic doctrine. Jesus told us earlier who was the Lord's Rock. You, being ignorant of scripture, don't know this. Second, the account of Peter's comment makes no sense. It is stupid, and totally unlike Peter's character in the Gospels after Christ had risen.
You have been hoodwinked by some atheist website with an agenda.
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@Stephen
Like I said, Jesus never once utters the words Christian, Christians or Christianity.
I'll take it you don't know that the word Christian is from the word Christ, meaning follower if Christ. My 9 year old nice knew that.
I hope conditions in England improve for you.
So do I but I know they won't while there are cowards such as you on the planet.
Wow. Does any Gentle Reader think this guy should be on a watch list?
Did you here what two of your countries Muslim congress women had to say lately?
How is it pertinent to our topic? You think they are terrible but you quote them as your support? And support for what? My country isn't a shithole.
Do not cave into this shite and stand up and at defend your faith if not your country
Didn't you condemn Jesus for doing what you're doing? The Prince of Peace is starting to sound right nice to you now huh?
Really, should it be this easy?
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@Stephen
I love my country England...
The same one you called a shithole right? Uh huh.
"the lord" did to Five cities in Mesopotamia killing 1.5 million souls.
Eze 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
The difference is authority junior.
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@Stephen
Like you, Willows was always ridiculous and hardly ever funny. He never failed to trow away his integrity for a potshot at God. And what do you know, God survived.
But you little ole ants keep trying. Who knows, maybe one day you guys may move that rubber tree God. Even if everyone knows that an anthiest can't, move a rubber tree God. But you have high hopes, you've got high hopes!! .........
Oops! There stands the immutable rubber tree God, oops, they haven't moved the immutable rubber tree God!
Lol.
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@Stephen
Like I said, Jesus never once utters the words Christian, Christians or Christianity.
I'll take it you don't know that the word Christian is from the word Christ, meaning follower if Christ. My 9 year old nice knew that.
I deleted the silliness you spammed.
When you have anything intelligent to say on the topic, I'll be here for you, but you know I don't do spam, and certainly not militant sophomoric spam.
Have a nice day Stephen. I hope conditions in England improve for you.
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@Theweakeredge
I fail to see why men not wanting to be masculine anymore matters.
Wow. It matters to all sort of very important things. Father figures in the family unit. The birth rate in a country. Suicide rates. Even abortion rate of makes to female.
But I think the author was specifically against the propagandistic way of trying to coerce people into being more sissified.
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@Theweakeredge
I did not mean to imply that all whites are racists. I'm not. Some simply want to help and do not think the minority is inferior.
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@Stephen
Why are you posting this to me, Ethang 5 ? It looks like to me like the intended recipient was 3RU7AL
It was in response to your post #95. Did you forget it?
So you don't know what a spirit is either, neither do I.
The difference between you an I is that I did not say I didn't know.
That is interesting.
Really? I thought it was also telling.
So, considering that you have successfully buried your friends the Reverend Tradesecrets embarrassment on matter B of P once again,...
Why do you say deluded things like this? Are you trying to make us think you are mentally unstable? Why would you want that?
will you share with us your knowledge and experiences of what a spirit actual is?
You aren't capable of that discussion.
And does the word spirit mean the same today as it did hundreds of thousands of years ago?
Do you know any word from hundreds of thousands of years ago? The meanings and usage of words change. Did you not know that?
And also in the dead sea scrolls is Jesus telling his followers to call him The Amen. All very Egyptian that , don't you think.
You think Jesus is responsible for what is written in the dead sea scrolls? Seriously, I can't tell if you are just profoundly ignorant or if you're just pretending to be dumb. I really can't.
You really are a tolerate bunch aren't you,...
All it takes is for some anonymous people to write something and you believe and start blaming Peter who wasn't even there?
...you Roman Catholics.
I'm not Roman Catholic.
You're just all over the place in your posts like a drunk person. The thread is about the BoP and here you are blathering about spirits and scrolls.
The BoP is on the one who makes a positive claim. That will not change. If an atheist doesn't want the BoP, he shouldn't make any claims. It's that simple.
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@zedvictor4
Remember when Willows tried a sock that had broken English?
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@Stephen
Lol. The bible has.
No it hasn't and neither have you.
Sure it has. You just don't know it.
Are you sure that it isn't you that is "dead", you are coming across as pretty well spent to me.
That is exactly how you come across to Jesus.
The bible indicates Jesus was building an army, sunshine. I don't care that this revelation shoots holes in your indoctrinated beliefs.
Of course you don't care. If you did, you would be ignorant and militant.
You just have to face facts. It was JEWS that he came ONLY to save, there wasn't a Christian in sight.
Yet the verse says "the world" and "whomsoever".
Jesus never once utters the words Christian, Christians or Christianity.
His is The Christ. Do you know where the word " Christian comes from?
Your ideology is built on lies and is collapsing by the second.
And then you wake up.
And your own church doesn't seem too concerned about the march of Islam all over the globe.
Why should it be? You don't know my church. It was over 2,000 years ago when Jesus declared on the cross that it was "finished". You are telling us your fantasy, not facts.
And it won't be - turn the other cheek, love thine enemies - Christians like you that saves the west from this menace, that for sure.
Jesus is the ONLY Savior. There is none else.
You haven't woken up to the first or the second calling card at all have you. See " if he so loved the world" when Islam comes to town, princess.
I've lived in Muslim countries for years. Jesus has no equal, and no one and nothing can take me out of His mighty hands. You may be terrified, but that doesn't mean anyone else is.
I have already been saved by the gracious mercy of His Omniscient, Everlasting, Majesty, the King to whom all other kings bow.
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@zedvictor4
U.S. Presidents have been bombing "Poor Wretched Souls" for years......What's new.
Only 2 things...
1. That some liberals think it's US Presidents when it's been mostly leftist radicals and Muslims bombing poor wretched souls for most of history. And
2. That anyone could think that the proper response to this claim, if true, was ennui.
I see you think as highly of the US as Stephen thinks of England. But you aren't liberal right? You just agree with them right down to thinking all the evil in the world is from America.
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@Theweakeredge
You're right of course, but underdog didn't give us that option.
While I was kinda blunt, a similar thing happens in real life all the time. People, thinking they are helping the poor or disenfranchised, never even consider what they actually want. Because racism can cause a person to respond in 2 general ways, the stereotypical way, "He's black therefore inferior, I hate him, I will use/abuse him" or the more subtle way, "He's black therefore inferior, I have to help him, I will fix him" The bottom line is that while the 2nd response looks like care from a distance, both responses require the person to think blacks are inferior. And racism is not in your response, but in your initial belief that triggers the response. Both responses are racist because both think of blacks as inferior.
I lived in Africa for a while and got to see it happen as a white bystander. It was an education because I had been the same way myself.
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@sadolite
If you were any more right, you would get arrested for being illegally right.
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@TheUnderdog
Would you rather shoot a starving African kid and give them the easy way out(assuming you could get away with it) or do nothing and let them die of starvation (which is more painful than a shot in the back of the head).
You aren’t allowed in this would you rather to feed them, as people just don’t do that.
It is because of this that I would shoot them in the back of the head; to end their suffering.
Notice that the African kid himself gets no say in the matter? And no one noticed it. That, boys and girls, is latent racism masquerading as mercy.
Let's all hope you never become president where you could bomb all those poor wretched African souls to death to "end" their suffering. With enough bombs, we could end suffering!
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@fauxlaw
I got the same vibe about him! And he would have loved that Nietzsche parable. I think often he went right over the heads of everyone, misunderstood and tortured for being so constantly misunderstood, but still with his humor intact.
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@Stephen
You simply cannot face the fact that the Prince of Peace says himself that he had not come to bring peace
He also says you are dead and thus cannot understand His message.
And I know I am not Dead. I have just eaten a very nice Sunday dinner.
You simply cannot face the fact that the Prince of Peace says himself that you are dead. We are talking about what the Prince of Peace said right?
You missed the word "ONLY" There is no mention of his being sent to no one else but the JEWS. stop trying to rewrite the scripture.
As many times as I've embarrassed you by showing you scripture you insisted didn't exist, one would think you would be more careful.
My reading is perfect...
Lol!
Jesus himself says who he was ONLY sent to and it wasn't you Christians" was it? No you are not. Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." <<<<< ONLY, that doesn't mean YOU!!!
I usually wait till you are in full froth before embarrassing you. It's more fun that way.
Every baptized born again Christian is a Jew. But this thread is not about Jews is it?
Stop with your shite man! You really get desperate at times don't you.?
We are talking about what the Prince of Peace says right? So this is yet another thing you don't know, but are being militant in your ignorance.
John 3:16
Yes, he loved the world so much that he was sent to unite and save Israel ONLY
For God so loved..... THE WORLD..... that He sent His only begotten son, that WHOMSOEVER believes in Him, shall have eternal life...
Your poor reading comprehension has embarrassed you again.
And you haven't explained why Jesus - the Prince of Peace would want to create division and split the family unite?
Because I don't have to explain the dumb things you think.
You mean you cannot because they are indeed vile divisive verses and unexplainable.
No I mean both. I don't have to explain the dumb things you think, and I doubt anyone can explain the dumb things you think. Not even you.
Well I am only repeating what the bible actually says...
Those verses said nothing about hordes, or division, or hate, or family units, or to the teeth. All that stupidity is just you.
So then who was he addressing .....?
You said you were repeating what the bible actually says. Those verses said nothing about hordes, or division, or hate, or family units, or to the teeth. Who He was addressing is another thing entirely. Stay focused. You were NOT repeating repeating what the bible actually says, you were lying.
Well we read different numbers all the time.
Because they are at different times and different places. Do I really have to tell you that Einstein?
Well that is just horse AND bull shit , isn't it, Einstein. We are talking Palestine under Roman occupation.
Over a period of three years! Are you so dense that you think Jesus spoke to the same amount of people every time He spoke?
No.
And that is why you read different numbers all the time. A child would have figured that out.
And this is why I have good reason to believe he had thousands of followers /hoards that he commanded to arm themselves with deadly weapons.
OK. But Jesus was not speaking to thousands all the time, and He had only 12disciples. Your imagination is different from what the bible actually says.
it sound to me like like he was building an army in the "wilderness".
We know how it "sounds" to you. Luckily for us we can tell the difference between ignorant conjecture and scripture.
I don't think you can.
Sure I can. Ignorant conjecture is what you write.
Can you prove he wan't building an army, armed to the teeth when the biblical evidence suggests otherwise.
If the biblical evidence suggested otherwise, no. But as I said, there is a difference between ignorant conjecture and scripture.
You haven't the foggiest clue how one becomes a Christian,
That's' why I started a thread on the subject
You started a thread because you get off on obsessively posting assaults on Christianity. Your ignorance is obvious.
...yet you think you know the mission of Jesus?
I do.
Then it is amazing that you claim you don't know how one becomes a Christian!
And you haven't offered anything to the contrary, have you, Princess?
Lol. The bible has.
Your boy was building an army to take a throne that he believed was his by right.
And it took you to come tell us?
Yes, to those that have ears.
And no brains.
And once again you haven't offered anything to the contrary, have you, Princess?
And once again, the bible has. Remember John 3:16?
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@Stephen
In your personal opinion, what's a "SPIRIT"?
ethang5 wrote: My personal opinion is of no importance here.
My my , dear o dear o dear. You are struggling today aren't you?
Pointing out your delusions have never awoken you.
So you don't know what a spirit is either, neither do I.
The difference between you an I is that I did not say I didn't know.
Never spoken to one or seen one.
Your personal opinion is of no importance here. Which is probably why no one asked for it.
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My personal opinion is of no importance here.
The importance of your personal opinion is the only reason I'm giving you my attention.
Then you're wasting your attention.
Strangely, it appears I value your opinion MORE than you value it yourself.
I do not find it strange that our value systems are different.
You're trying to say that your understanding and definition of "YHWH" is somehow, inexplicably, NOT your personal opinion??
I don't "try" to say things. I either say them, or I do not say them. Attempting to make my words mean something else by restating what you claim I'm "trying" to say is smarmy. I gave you what the Bible says. You can accept it or reject it.
Who's opinion are you FOLLOWING?
How does it matter to you?
And YES,(IFF) your "spiritual insight" is based purely on your personal, first-hand, unfalsifiable "direct experience" of what you interpret to be "YHWH"
(THEN) STOP PRETENDING YOUR "FAITH" IS LOGICALLY-COHERENT.
Ethan doesn't pretend. And your opinion is not fact.
In post #93 I told you, "the sheer silliness of your comments to the verses you asked for have convinced me you either aren't bright enough or sincere enough to be worth my time. If you're looking for someone to be silly with, you chose poorly with me."
I don't need, and didn't ask for, lessons or advice from you. I find you wholly incapable of teaching me religion, much less, logic. If you are looking for a student or disciple, I already have a mentor. Your little delusion that you have desirable knowledge is cute, but not really worth my time. If you want to discuss topics intelligently, fine, but if you only want to play "puff my ego", please find someone else. You will not like me.
A word to the wise.
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@Stephen
...the floor is yours . Hurry up or leave.
I'll do this instead.
[Stephen has] mastered this trick, he cuts out the explanation and then claims you didn't have an answer. Many times his questions are nonsensical and they have no answer, and when explained the reason why the question was nonsensical he still avoids the explanation and claims "see! I was right, Christians run from my questions!" ....lol, IDK Ethan, I think Stevie might get coal for Christmas...
You got something from someone whom doesn't exist?
And this is the core of all his whiny butthurt. A spoiled child having a tantrum because he didn't get the toys he wanted from God.
Well I appreciate you saying that since it's probably the most honest and sincere thing you've ever said to me. We could expand on this, but you'd have to be willing to communicate in a rational way.
He isn't. Watch him revert to T mode.
Thanks EtrnlVw!
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@Stephen
You didn't accept my offer to shown you why I hate your got with either a short or long list of reasons and I can't blame you.
You don't even know how one becomes a Christian. What are you going to show me? Your cluelessness? No thanks.
That is why I started a thread about the matter.
Your thread and your spelling proved you couldn't "shown" us anything.
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@Castin
What a lot of people don't know, even some Christians, is that we do die for our sins. When we give ourselves to Jesus, the first thing He does is hide our lives/ soul inside Him and we die with Him on the cross, paying for our sin the way God said we would. (The soul that sins shall die)
Jesus then recreates us and we share in His resurrection. This is where the phrase "born again" comes from. The bible says even the righteous shall be save as if by fire. You see, Jesus was not saving us from the small transition we call death, but from the real death. The 2nd death. So we do die. We do pay. But we are resurrected with Jesus.
The animal sacrifices in the OT were a sort of a forshadowing of what Jesus would do for us. It was also for the people at the time because shame and guilt harm people mentally. A lot of times, God institutes things because of our frailties, not because He needs them.
But if I had been stupid and unheeding of warnings and fallen into, say, an active volcano, and later regaining consciousness found that someone had sacrificed his life to get me out, knowing He would die in the process, I would be sad that He died, but I would think what He voluntarily did was selfless, noble, and heroic. His sacrifice would not disgust me even if I had had the choice before he did it and old Him not to.
Now if someone was forced to die for me, not by his own choice, that would disgust me. But that is not what happened with Jesus. He is a hero in the truest definition of the word.
He, a great and righteous King, died to save me, a wretched sinful nobody. He did not have to, and I could never repay Him. It is a miracle of selfless love and mercy. I love Him because He first loved me.
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@Stephen
So I can take it that you don't have a clue.
Did you expect me to answer you telepathically or will you wait till I post?
Why is no one surprised?
Probably because they know you and your lame posts.
Ok now you can leave. Please.
No. You leave.
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@Stephen
You didn't accept and I can't blame you.
You don't even know how one becomes a Christian. What are you going to show me? Your cluelessness? No thanks.
And you cannot prove otherwise.
Why would I want to?
That is where it ended for me....And I came away absolutely stunned at the sound and range of the man's incredible voice. He was a GOD with all caps.
Are you sure that's where it all ended for you?
Look. Go talk to Jane, thus is her thread. You really have nothing to say. To me or otherwise.
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@3RU7AL
So, it sounds like you've decided "YHWH" = "SPIRIT".
No, I didn't decide at all. That is what scripture says. I do not create reality, I discover it.
In your personal opinion, what's a "SPIRIT"?
My personal opinion is of no importance here. And did you not just say that "any specific aspect of "ultimate truth" that you "discover" or "directly experience" by your personally preferred procedure is going to be "diminished" if you try to "explain" it to anyone"?
But really, the sheer silliness of your comments to the verses you asked for have convinced me you either aren't bright enough or sincere enough to be worth my time. If you're looking for someone to be silly with, you chose poorly with me.
Have a nice day!
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You cannot control me.
I know and I am not trying to.
Then stop telling me what to do. Unless you're doing it to trick the mods into thinking I am harassing you. Then by all means, go ahead.
But I am asking to either address my questions or please leave.
I know. I addressed what you said and told I am not leaving. Repeating it will not change me.
You are contributing nothing at all to this thread - my thread.
Maybe because you keep deleting my replies and then lying that I didn't reply. I don't care if its your "thread". I decide on the value of my contribution, not you.
...have another go or simply leave.
Why don't you try addressing my question?
I am not interested in anything you have to say that doesn't address the OP.
OK then, address my question to the OP. Otherwise, please leave.
Yet some do become Christians in the adulthood. This to me is a unexplainable phenomenon .Can anyone calling themselves Christian explain this phenomenon?
You claim the know the bible and Christian doctrine but you don't know how one becomes a Christian? How can this be? Is your question rhetorical? Are you lying? Playing? Confused?
Now, answer or leave.
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@Stephen
You aren't even american and cannot legally vote.
I am in England and you included England.
Yes. I said you hate England. Here is what you said about England, "And I love my own country England although it is being turned into a complete and utter shithole..."
All the facts on Elvis shows and the Ali fight are online.
So? Good.
So the fact that you can recite them doesn't prove you were there.
If you left England to see the Ali fight, how old were you? Hmmm?
None of your business. But I will be 66 in a few months.
So you flew from England to America at 20 to see an Ali fight that had almost impossible to get tickets that were very expensive? Ok.
NOW STOP DERAILING ANOTHER THREAD THAT YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You aren't ranting right? It makes no sense to engage me and then claim I'm derailing the thread Stephen. Do you think the mods will become confused?
In this thread, You approached me in post #8. Stop being stupid.
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@Castin
And he also says "blessed are the peacemakers" and "love thine enemy" and "turn the other cheek" and "all who live by the sword will die by the sword." The dude could vacillate between harsh and hippie.
Taken as a whole, Jesus seems to be saying that even though peace is the intent, his message will inevitably bring mixed and controversial reactions, potentially dividing households and turning children against their traditionalist Jewish parents. And in the case where a person must choose between Jesus's message and their family, it is imperative that they choose his message. It will be hard - a cross to bear - but it is righteous.
Then maybe He wasn't vacillating. Maybe each of His comments had their own context. I could post some of your past comments that would make Jesus seem mild by comparison if I took away all the context.
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@Stephen
You simply cannot face the fact that the Prince of Peace says himself that he had not come to bring peace
He also says you are dead and thus cannot understand His message.
Unless you are going to tell me those are not the words of Jesus, which is it?
I just told you. Your reading comprehension is at 6th grade level. The problem is not His words but your understanding.
This thread doesn't concern becoming a Christian...
You wouldn't talk about becoming a Christian in that thread.
...and why is it that YOU Christians keep forgetting Jesus was a JEW that had been sent to gather the lost sheep of Israel?
Jesus was sent FIRST to Israel. Your poor reading comprehension causes you the think Jesus was sent ONLY to Israel.
Are you a JEW?
Every baptized born again Christian is a Jew. But this thread is not about Jews is it?
No you are not. Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." <<<<< ONLY, that doesn't mean YOU!!!
John 3:16
And you haven't explained why Jesus - the Prince of Peace would want to create division and split the family unite?
Because I don't have to explain the dumb things you think.
Well I am only repeating what the bible actually says...
Those verses said nothing about hordes, or division, or hate, or family units, or to the teeth. All that stupidity is just you.
Well we read different numbers all the time.
Because they are at different times and different places. Do I really have to tell you that Einstein?
I was just giving you an opportunity to correct any mistakes I may have made concerning how large the following was of Jesus of the Prince of Peace was.
How many states are there in the United States? Things change genius. Or do you think Jesus only spoke to the exact same number of people every time He spoke? Could that really be your expectation?
it sound to me like...
We know how it "sounds" to you. Luckily for us we can tell the difference between ignorant conjecture and scripture.
it isn't a veiled threat is it?
How could I threaten some guy I don't know in another country on the net. Simmer down chicken little, the mods are not as dumb as you seem to think they are.
You haven't the foggiest clue how one becomes a Christian, yet you think you know the mission of Jesus?
(The genius deleted my question)
Do you ever convince yourself with these little rants?
They are not rants,
OK, but are you ever convinced?
Your boy was building an army to take a throne that he believed was his my right. And only then do these verse make sense
And it took you to come tell us?
As I always tell you. Repetition doesn't make you look smarter. You couldn't find out how to become a Christian, but you figured Jesus' mission in detail all by yourself.
Now that you've posted the verses over and over, and supplied your loony interpretation that you claim is the "only one that makes sense", what now?
Has Christianity fallen? Will you be hailed are finding a truth everyone else missed?
All you get is the thrill of a spray-painter writing vulgarity on a church wall. The thrill is vacuous and fleeting, that is why you have to do it over and over. We watch you and we feel sorry for you.
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@zedvictor4
Next time select yourselves a candidate who can at least string together a coherent sentence...
Do I even need to say anything here?
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You are bleating the Republican and Christian message.
There is no Republican Christian message. Let me show you with a recent development. Three of Trumps appointed Supreme court justices just rejected the Texas suit favoring Trump. Do you think liberal justices could do that? No. They would all vote in lock step with the herd.
And religion isn't a creation of man?
Your opinion is not fact, liberal. I know it really seems that way to you, but really.
And semantics is semantics and therefore as I see it love is a metaphor and sex is sex.
OK. Not everyone can have a deep and fulfilling life.
And as an exception to my normal rule, I did in fact vote against Brexit
Do you think you had to tell us that?
...But I would rather that those in charge would just get on with it now. It won't stop my enjoyment of the Tour de France.
Now that the herd is lying down beside the still waters, the defense rests.
And sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't, that's the fun of it....Debateart would be boring otherwise.
Debateart would be boring without me. Have you seen some of the other boards? Zzzzzzz.
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@Stephen
My reply was not about you Stephen. You aren't even american and cannot legally vote.
All the facts on Elvis shows and the Ali fight are online. If you left England to see the Ali fight, how old were you? Hmmm?
Your a joker.
Yes. And you're the joke.
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@Stephen
Please. I am asking you stop your nonsense and to leave .
No. I will not leave. You do not control me.
I wouldn't want to own you I just want you to leave the thread.
You can't always get what you want! - Stones
You have made no attempt to answer the question...
Nor have you. You even deleted my reply and then lied that I had not answered.
and are simply agitating for the sake of it .
Get it through your brain. You cannot control me. You cannot tell me where to go. The only one agitating here is you. But I'm a big boy, I can take it.
So please address the OP or leave me and this thread alone.
I addressed the OP. I asked you a question. Now answer it. If you want to post a rant where no one can ask you questions, make a blog.
If you are afraid or ashamed to answer, just don't. If you want to block me, just do. Stop crying crocodile tears and man up. I will not leave any thread because you tell me to. That will NEVER happen.
Now I'll do like you and post my question again. Perhaps with your poor reading comprehension, you missed it and aren't dodging.
You claim to have read, and know the bible. How then can how to become a Christian be unknown to you?
You have to answer questions Stephen. You don't get to dodge answering and then demand that others answer yours. That is immature.
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@Utanity
You'll just switch to your other sock when this alt #33 gets banned. Two days tops OCD.
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@Stephen
Still Struggling I see. Lol
Indeed I am, Ethang5, I really am.
You aren't struggling at all with my question though. You've dodged that like a dodgeball champ.
I just cannot understand why JESUS son of god- The Prince of Peace - would want his hordes of followers to arm themselves to the teeth and want to destroy the family unite.
It couldn't be your poor reading comprehension. Nah, it couldn't be.
Pitting “‘a man against his father and brother and sister, a daughter against her mother and brother ,a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law etc etc.
You didn't read the part where it told you how to become a Christian huh?
Can you understand these commands of division and hate, from the Prince of Peace? Sound like a proper little far left Marxist doesn't he.
You just sound like a militant who again doesn't know of what he speaks.
How large was his following? Hundreds ? Thousands? 12?
You don't know yet you felt comfortable enough to use the word hordes? You should stop talking while your fakery is still intact.
Maybe he was expecting an uprising? A rebellion of sorts? Maybe he was building a small army to take by force what he believed to be rightfully his. Maybe all of his mission was more political than religious than we can realise.
Or maybe your poor reading comprehension and your anti-theist bias is just a great formula for instant silliness.
He was crucified my the Romans for sedition wasn't he, and this would explain the arms build, the splitting of families where one member turns on another being on opposite sides of the political divide.. Yes that would explain a lot wouldn't it.
I still think your poor reading comprehension and unfamiliarity with the text explains it better.
Jesus the freedom fighter. Of course that would depend which side you were on, he was probably simply considered just one of many political zealot terrorist agitators from Galilee and or Nazareth (the bandit country). And one of many claiming to be THE messiah & king of the JEWS. Well we know that he failed miserably at his mission, don't we.
I can't imagine how you're still cackling about that miserable failure 2,000 year later! Imagine if He had succeeded? Your great grand kids would still be talking about Him.... Wait. Lol.
You haven't the foggiest clue how one becomes a Christian, (you admit) but you know what Jesus' mission was? I wonder, do you fool yourself with these little rants? If you do, I bet you're the only one fooled.
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@Utanity
Sorry Willows, I just find you too ridiculous to waste time on, this would be true even without your loony sock.
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The Bizarre Brainwashing Campaign to Convince Men They're Women
By Ben Bartee
As Aldous Huxley said it would be, the Brave New World is foisted upon us.
Enter "sissy hypno," a fascinating and eerie steampunk-style mass-scale psychosocial "movement" (for lack of a better word) that encourages men to renounce their masculine identity and become — as the term is used in the LGBTQ4GF150+ community — a "sissy."
The term "sissy" has a long colloquial use dating back to the 1890s. In its original conception (and the way it was almost always used until the 21st century), it meant "a person (usually male) regarded as effeminate or cowardly." Essentially, it was a flippant term of derision and nothing more.
The long form of "sissy hypno" is "sissification hypnosis," with the goal being to indoctrinate male viewers into new roles as sissies while leaving old gender identities and practices behind — hence the "hypnosis" portion of the term
Sissy porn's central conceit is that the women it depicts are in fact former men who have been feminized ('sissified') by being forced to wear makeup, wear lingerie, and perform acts of sexual submission. Captions further instruct viewers to understand that the very act of looking at sissy porn itself constitutes an act of sexual degradation, with the implication that, whether they like it or not, viewers will inevitably be transformed into females themselves.
meme, on Twitter using hashtags like #sissyhypno and #sissytraining, on internet forums like the sissy hypno subreddit page, and hundreds (if not thousands) of websites.
Typical examples of "remixed" trans porn in video format feature female voiceovers that inform the viewer that you have "been a woman longer than you've ever known… You are a woman right now… Just by listening to me right now you have already become a woman."
The central idea is that you, the target of the meme — a (probably white) 20-something, frustrated, nominally heterosexual male — have always been a woman deep inside. The issue is that, until sissy hypno came along, you had no idea of your true nature.
Since the foundational tenet of the "sissy" lifestyle is that you are and have always been a woman but lacked the capacity to express yourself accordingly, one of the major recurring themes in the sissy community is the "release" from the burden of having to pretend. Masculinity is treated as a burden; becoming a sissy, on the other hand, is liberating.
Rom 1:24 - Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
Rom 1:27 - Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
Isa 5:20 - Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
(Or who put men for women, and women for men!)
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@Tradesecret
Spoken like an atheist pretending to be Christian.
Ala dee dee style. I was about to tell you and you picked up on it on your own. He's fighting mightily to keep his compulsion in check, but he will lose that battle.
Incidentally, on the very day he was busted, he made another sock puppet, this time well speaking but supposedly from China. Lol.
Can you imagine someone making fake accounts and being banned 32 times to get on a board he says is terrible? How can he not know he has OCD?
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@Stephen
This to me is a unexplainable phenomenon
Yet you claim to have read, and know the bible. How then can it be unknown to you?
Did you read my question.
I answered "Sure" here. You deleted my answer and claimed I didn't want to answer. That us dishonest Stephen. It was such a petty lie.
Then I asked you, "Did you read mine?" You don't answer my question but reply,
Ok, so you don't want to answer or can't.
No one HAS to answer you, especially seeing your past behavior. Most Christians here will view you and your question as disingenuous. You have claimed to know the bible and Christian doctrine, so my question was reasonable. But you somehow think you are the only one who should ask questions and the only one deserving answers.
So not a single Christian here can explain how they became christian other than having it foisted on them in infancy without their permission.
Or maybe they all know it would be a wasted effort given your lack if sincerity.
Please. I am asking you stop your nonsense and to leave .
No. I will not leave. You do not control me. If you don't wish to face my questions, don't respond. But you will not bar me form any thread, even the lame ones you continuously spew. I will show the Gentle Readers how you cannot answer questions put to you, and how little you know about your chosen subjects.
Now, how to become a Christian is Christian doctrine 101. How come you don't know it when you have claimed extensive bible knowledge?
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@3RU7AL
God is light
So, photons?
Light is electromagnetic radiation. It helps to be educated if you go for snark.
God is spirit
I'm guessing "spirit" = photons = "YHWH"?
Why are you guessing? Did I ask you for an interpretation?
God is not human
Ok, so not a "male"?
Male = Human to you? Lol. Talk about patriarchal!
I mean, does it have (photonic) chromosomes or something?
You are asking if God has chromosomes right after you read that God is not human? You don't have to throw away the intelligence to go for snark 3RU7AL.
I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god
that's "great" and all, but in real-world-practical-terms, what are any of us supposed to actually do with this information?
You asked for it 3RU7AL. Perhaps you should stop asking for what you don't need. Hmmm?
..if you've ever studied the Essenes...
I have. Incidentally, God being light (photons to you) is in the Dead Sea scrolls. Weird huh?
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@Stephen
First, your timeline seems a little off with Elvis and the Ali fight cause that would make you how old now? But that's another story.
You seem to think that if you don't have tattoos, then I'm wrong. If you can't understand why your personal, individual situation is irrelevant, you won't understand the argument. But that is usual for you. So let's take a look....
The so called "free thinkers" have become the herd.
They all have tattoos -
never had one and never would.
So you say. 0/8
They all vote democratic -
You could neve support that stupid & illiterate claim
You aren't eligible to vote. 1/8
They all are pro abortion -
Another claim you could never support.
But you don't say whether YOU support it. 2/8
They all worship scientists -
I know a few.... you cannot prove that I do.
Do you know all?
I do not worship them and you cannot prove that I do.
I'm not talking about YOU Stephen. 3/8
They all love homosexuals
I am indifferent,...
That will qualify. 4/8
They all hate God (but deny it)
I do hate your particular god.
5/8
They all hate America(with your herd its England)
I love my own country England although it is being turned into a complete and utter shithole by mass immigration from Africa and the middle eastern shitholes that are bringing with them a culture and a FKN RELGION!!!!
Yeah. You sound like you love it to death. 6/8
They all want more immigration
I personally don't know of a single person in my country that does want more
And yet they keep coming in. Obviously there are some people you don't know?
....African and middle eastern rapist, murderers, terrorists and absolute bastards in my country
I never said African and middle eastern immigrants, I said "more immigration". That can be from anywhere. So obviously you don't mind immigration from countries you did not mention. 7/8
You are doing well aren't you?
7/8 and you aren't even American. That's pretty good.
But they are ever ready to bleat about how wrong you are...
Wrong!!!You could neve support that stupid & illiterate claim.Another claim you could never support.So another stupid throw away claim.
...with the exact same democratic talking points.
I only vaguely know two lesbians and they are very pleasant.your god has given me a book full of reasons to do so.
(with your herd its England)
Welcome to the English herd Dolly. Baaa for the good people.
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@zedvictor4
Have you never seen a tattooed right wing thug.
I have. I've also seen a man born with one leg too, but I certainly don't mistake that for the norm, or think that exception breaks the rule.
And you worship the pseudo science of the bible.
Science is a creation of man. I worship His Excellent Omnipotence, King Jesus Christ, despite your opinion to the contrary.
And love is a metaphor and sex is sex.
These are your experiences. Your life must be poor in depth.
And we are all descended from migrants
That has no baring on our debate or is a reason to allow backward peasant goatherds into the country by the thousands.
And I metaphorically love the U.K.
Were you for or against Brexit? I rest my case.
And abortion is currently a legally permissible procedure...Just like bombing the f**k out of Jonny Foreigner.
Slavery was once a legally permissible procedure. We are agreeing here Zed.
And are you admitting that you do not think freely?
Of course. I'm not sheep in a herd bleating that I'm unique as I am indistinguishable from all the other tattooed, democratic sheep. I think correctly. My thinking is subject to His Royal Majesty, King Jesus Christ. The freedom in Him is greater than any so called "free thinker" knows.
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@zedvictor4
But you aren't a liberal remember?
Arguing on the dems side again Zed?
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@zedvictor4
And the real U.S. power brokers would never allow a war to start with either Russia or North Korea....Too costly on all fronts.
But that little tidbit didn't stop them from running around like chicken little predicting war if Trump got into power. They were wrong about Trump. You are wrong.
And in the Middle East one mans peace is another mans desolation.....Same old Israeli led self preservation politics.....Smile for the cameras Mr T.
Peace between now 5 Arab countries and Israel is not domestic. Europe now paying their promised fair share for defense is not domestic. New fairer trade deals with Canada and Mexico is not domestic. Asserting freedom of navigation in the south China Sea is not domestic.
And for a person so widely travelled you have seemingly gained no insight at all, into the lives of the real, ordinary, aspirational people that exist all over the World.
Those are the people who like Trump the most. And they aren't just in America. "Insightful" is not just people who agree with you. Show us some facts, not your hurt feelings.
So, grab your guns and your banjo and run for the hills, because they're all out to get ya.....Because you are suffering from what is known as PARANOIA......I would suggest.
You're the one short on facts but big on TDS. You just conceded that Trump is not incompetent with the domestic budget. What else are you wrong about?
There's far more to the job than managing the domestic budget.
But you started by calling him obviously wholly incompetent. Now you admit he is not incompetent with the domestic budget. You are suffering from a terminal case of TDS Zed. I blame the biased BBC as much as I blame you.
So you throw in code words like "banjo", all without a shred of evidence except your subjective feelings, while reality rebukes you. Oh when will they cone up with vaccination for TDS?
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@zedvictor4
My "they" referred to your "majority of people who go through their lives without ever considering a "world view". The call themselves "free thinkers". They aren't free thinkers.
But I would agree that free thinkers are less likely to conform with an archaic belief system....That's herd mentality.
The so called "free thinkers" have become the herd.
They all have tattoos
They all vote democratic
They all are pro abortion
They all worship scientists
They all love homosexuals
They all hate God (but deny it)
They all hate America(with your herd its England)
They all want more immigration
But they are ever ready to bleat about how wrong you are with the exact same democratic talking points.
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