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@HistoryBuff
Of the democratic party, in two states only. Meaning he's won the under 35 leftist votes in two sparsely populated states.Sanders has won the popular vote in every contest so far.
The democrats are the centrist/center left party.
What year are you talking about? Because last I checked, open borders, and abortions after births are zany left.
The republicans are the extreme right wing party.
From your vantage point, Fidel Castro would be extreme right. Right and left are not so designated by how far they are from you.
There are lots of conservative democrats. I mean pretty much everyone who appears on MSNBC falls into that category.
Laughable. Even Sanders just said that he has been treated better by CNN than by MSDNC. They aren't even a news channel anymore.
Are you serious? Hilary clinton ran the democratic establishment. Her campaign team was approving DNC messaging. She was extremely powerful.
The phrase goes, "speaking truth to power", not, "speaking truth to the powerful." Trump yelled an F-you! to real power. And that's why TDS is so obvious today.
oh, so he surrounds himself with criminals and yes men...
Are you able to distinguish between your perception and reality?
yep. multiple associates of his are now in prison.
If you were able to distinguish between your perception and reality, you'd know that multiple associates of his now being in prison (for nothing having to do with him) does not mean you can distinguish between your perception and reality. It seems to have made you feel even more that your perception is reality.
You said this of Trump... "I didn't realize that corruption and giving power to the people were the same thing."
Then you immediately after said this, "Trump's upsides (populism, fighting against corruption, fighting for the people..."
Do you see why we would think those were contradictory statements?
The difference is trump is a liar.
Trump didn't make your contradictory statements. You did.
He cloaks himself in populist messaging to win the election. But once elected he uses power to enrich himself, his family, and his oligarch friend while he bankrupts the country
Yet the economy is better than its been in decades, and Trump has lost personal riches. What are we to say to you when your statements are so blatantly contradicted by reality?
After the election, you'll see how wrong you are about human nature.
how so? Are you saying Sanders is those things? or that people simply don't care that trump is a corrupt, lying, misogynist, racist, asshole?
I'm saying the 3rd option, Trump is not who you think he is, and socialism works only on paper. Add in human nature and socialism becomes indistinguishable from stupidity.
You will probably spin yourself another rationalization (that will also contradict reality) to explain why you were so wrong about Sanders and what Americans want. But you will have 4 years to mull over it.
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@Stephen
And yes I am ok,
You sure men? You seemed about to have a cow.
I don't think you know what doctoring a post is. Ask a mod and he will explain it to you.
@Dee Dee, empty post. Nothing of substance, just the same old childish pretend silliness you make every thread.
If you want my attention, you're going to have to earn it.
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@HistoryBuff
Sanders hasn't won. Hillery lost.All the pundits said Bernie couldn't win.
Pundits say the things they want to be true.
Ahem.
Sanders got the most support from both "moderates" and "conservatives" in Nevada.
One state in a democratic primary. What would be a democratic conservative?
"crooked hilary" "drain the swamp", are these ringing any bells?
No. Crooked Hillery was not power.
oh, so he surrounds himself with criminals and yes men...
Are you able to distinguish between your perception and reality?
Trump's upsides (populism, fighting against corruption, fighting for the people
You just said Trump was corrupt and not fighting for the people! It's only virtue when Sanders does it huh?
...without any of the downsides (corruption, lies, misogyny, racism etc).
After the election, you'll see how wrong you are about human nature
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@Salixes
Lol. You know why. I knew you couldn't say for shame. I just like it when you dodge. Your willow leaves jiggle when you do.
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Out of the first 32 threads listed on the forum page, 19 are from Salixes...
Compulsion.
Your spam quickly pushes your zero-reply threads to the second page. They're languishing there.
...second on the leaderboard with 5 is some twerp by the name of Willows.
Wow. "Salixes" means willow. And you plagiarize his posts word for word. Does he know?
I must confess that my statistical analysis has progressed quite a bit further than a fixation on the figure, "zero".
Your lame threads haven't. Lol
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@rosends
@ludofl3x
The subject of whether prayer can be scientifically tested is here.
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@Stephen
Are you OK Stephen? You seem about to lose it. Take it easy man.THIS IS WILLFULLY DOCTORING POSTS.
Go show the mods what post of yours I doctored. They will sort it out.
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@Stephen
Thanks jasper. But if I am, then that isn't pretense is it? Lol!Ethang5 is who he pretends to be,
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@BrotherDThomas
My thread is for adults, not children.Of course its your job to explain what YOUR OWN THREAD is about.
It is not for anyone else to interpret YOUR words and the meaning behind them as garbled as they are.
You and Dee Dee are the only geniuses confused. That should tell you something.
Be quiet and you will see people who understand the topic say rational things. Pay attention.
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@Stephen
Your poor reading comprehension has fooled you again....what Jesus said about prayer in Matthew was silly and lacked sense???
Show me at least 5 examples of me not answering...
You don't answer questions addressed to you, so I dismiss your fake sincerity." Read it slooowly.
If you weren’t so bible ignorant, we wouldn’t have to follow you around DEBATEART to correct you all the time!
Like you "corrected" my sentence with "you're"? Lol. At least you know you're stalking.
The rest of you post was the same old silliness you post when you have nothing to say. Of course I tossed it for the garbage it is.
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@Stephen
Please have someone explain it to you.
That's your job silly. This is your thread.
Lol! You're confused. Your illiteracy is not my responsibility, nor is it my duty to educate you. You should have paid better attention in school.
Now stop avoiding the questions that YOUR OWN thread has raised
Sorry. The question is dumb. The example was in my OP. Further, read my answer to Pro so you'll know that mouthing his request for an example is silly.
If you're ashamed to ask him, google "scientific method" and educate yourself before you come back.
...that you are calling out and refuting.
I'm not calling out or refuting anything genius. Your poor reading comprehension is fooling you again.
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In no particular order:
(The unbolded ones sadly have not posted for a long time.)
Speed race
RationalMadman
EtrnlVw
bmdrocks21
Athias
Dr.Franklin
Drafterman
Mhykiel
SirAnonymous
Imabench
PGA2.0
3RU7AL
Greyparrot
Outplayz
GuitarSlinger
Janesix
Christen
Swagnarok
Grugore
Whiteflame
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Rosends (he/she) is effortlessly logical, clear thinking and informative. Good counter puncher too.
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@rosends
That's how he gets when you beat him with logic and do not take the bait on his childish insults.
Good job staying on topic and away from his rabbit holes.
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@Salixes
But the only person behaving as if he hasAnd in my opinion, they should be getting the appropriate professional help in dealing with their constant delusional thoughts.
constant delusional thoughts is you.
Everyone knows you are compulsive, and that compulsiveness is driven by constant delusional thoughts. Dude, for more than 6 years you have been spamming the same dumb "Are Christians Deluded?" thread!
If that isn't proof you're plagued by constant delusional thoughts, I don't know what is. Six years!
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@Salixes
The dodged questions in my posts to you are legion. You are fake Sal. That is why barely a month into your infection of the religion board, you have more zero-reply threads than any member.
And as more and more people realize that, the number of your zero-reply threads will keep growing, and this is the best part, the number of your threads with replies will keep shrinking.
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@Salixes
Theists have lower IQs than atheists and has been proven so.
You mean in general? Because you aren't so bright.
And this is the failing point of this argument. Every atheist bringing it up is himself of low intelligence.
Where are all these smart high IQ atheists? Certainly not on the Religion board.
Just keep the hollow one-liners a coming.
You've got that covered already Sal.
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@bmdrocks21
Link? Tks.I made a topic about this a few weeks back.
Then I know you were thrilled when Justice Santomyer (sp) panned the majority decision. Lol.I think it is a good idea to not let someone in the country if they will cost us more than they contribute.
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@oromagi
I thought you would know and like her. Ever heard her "Song Of Solomon"? Reminiscent of Neruda.
Also, do you speak french?
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@HistoryBuff
And the pundits all thought she would win the election.no. the polling said she would win the popular vote.
that is not a mistake Bernie would make.
Sanders is currently ignoring the center and right of center with his leftist nonsense. But as I said, it isn't his socialism that will sink him, its his image.
you realize you are describing trump and not bernie, right?
Yet Trump won. That should tell you something. And Trump isn't a radical yelling F-you! to power. Trump has always known that the power belongs to the people. And he tweets truth directly to the people so they know what's going on, and don't have to depend on the fake MSM.
You actually think Sanders would win against Trump. Are you American?
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@oromagi
Well there is a lot of overlap to be found between the efficacy of prayer generally and the efficacy of Christian prayer.
True.
My understanding is that studies of prayer generally range from no effect to beneficial.
With me, intellectual precision is important. You're talking about whether prayer benefits in some way, the person praying. That is easy to study.
I'm talking about experiments that attempt to prove that prayer works as a medium to request things or services from God.
None of the studies you cited were trying to find out if prayers were answered. They were unconcerned with whether God actually existed or not, and indeed, their results did not depend on the existence of God at all.
The act of praying can be beneficial to people even if God didn't exist. But can the act of praying for a specific outcome make that outcome more likely than it occurring by simple chance?
That is the experiment that atheists bring up when they trot out this stale ditty. That is what ol' Sal brought up, bless his heart.
There is no scientific test on the efficacy of prayer as a structure of requests to God that makes sense under the scientific method. There is simply no way to measure it, or to place God in a blind test.
(As Rosends so intelligently pointed out in her excellent answers to ol' Sal in his lame thread on Prayer)
I think good answers to the questions you ask can be found in these studies although the answers likely vary from study to study.
No sir. None of those studies attempted to address whether prayer works as a method of requesting things or services from God. So none of them needed to address my questions.
Do you personally think whether God answer prayers can be tested scientifically? Your thoughts, not some study or link.
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@BrotherDThomas
What part of my statement to you in my post #31 didn't you understand
I understood it fine. It was just silly, plus, you repeat the silliness in every post of yours. I tossed it out because it lacked sense, not because I didn't understand it.
Was it the "No Little Boy Excuses part...
No. I didn't even read that far. When you start on your pretend world, I usually just ignore your posts. I'm an adult, I have no time for childish pretense, especially in every post of yours.
Maybe it was the fact that Tradesecret remains in hiding part,..
No. TS is a professional and has a life. Plus, He has nothing to do with me or my posts. Why you mention us to the other in your posts is just another example of your emptiness.
Was it the fact that my post #19 is way over your pay-grade
You're not even literate Dee Dee. Exactly who do you think you're fooling?
Was it the fact that you don't want to get banned again,...
I don't. Which is why I don't stalk, or predict your eminent ban, or post from a template.
Was it because I told you I had many questions to bring forth on your topic,...
No. You don't answer questions addressed to you, so I dismiss your fake sincerity. Plus, your questions tend to be in keeping with your schtick, and I have too little time to indulge stupidity.
I had a lot to say in my post #19...
You always think you have a lot to say, but your every post is the same silliness in the same format. See, unlike you, I have people who read my posts, and I have a responsibility to them to keep my posts fresh and entertaining.
I don't think template spamming the same stupidity over and over is intelligent, or reposting the same old zero-reply threads from a year ago is entertaining.
DEBATEART, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT...
When you go full troll with the all caps and all bold, it is my cue to kick you to the curb. Bolding and capitalizing nonsense doesn't change it into something worth reading, it's just bolded and capitalized nonsense.
And Ethan doesn't do nonsense.
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@HistoryBuff
The polling said Hillery was going to win too.
But the real reason I think Sanders can't win is not the socialism issue, it's the same reason Nixon lost beside Kennedy, and Carter lost beside Reagan.
Appearance. Sanders looks and has the mannerisms of someone unstable. He gives the impression of an old cranky grandfather.
A belligerent guy who doesn't care about his own safety is great to have when you want to shout a f-you! to power, but most people, not even the ones cheering as he screams f-you! are comfortable with him being in charge, being the boss.
Sanders is not an American version of a hero. Or of a President.
If I took charge of his campaign, I would make him get and keep a haircut, fix his teeth, and forbid him from saying wacky left wing stuff.
He still wouldn't win, but he wouldn't be embarrassed.
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@oromagi
Ever heard of Kate Bush?
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It is amazing that an adult American, living in America, who has lived in America most or all of his life, could think that Sanders could win a National Election.
It will be most interesting to get their sound bites after the election.
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@oromagi
We need no link. We can fashion a prayer experiment of our own right now.
Let's see if we can test whether Christian prayer is effective. Do you know what the scientific method is? OK then.
How would go about setting up such an experiment? Gather some people who self identify as Christian?
Ask them to keep a journal of their prayers that we will compare to a control group?
What will we accept as a prayer answered? And will "no" answers be considered a valid prayer response by the one being prayed to?
Will there be safeguards to mitigate people who falsely self-identify as Christian?
Will test subject prayers be restricted in any way? Or will any prayer be allowed?
What system will we use to distinguish chance from answered prayer?
What percentage of answered prayers will be considered proof that prayer is efficacious?
Do you see any way such an experiment can be done where the results would be scientifically valid? Please, if you do, tell us.
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@rosends
That's where he was the first dozen times he spammed the clunker too.
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@bmdrocks21
The supreme court just agreed that Trump can deny green cards to immigrant applicants who have used the country's welfare system. Do you agree or disagree with that supreme court's decision?
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@oromagi
You can pass anything you want without telling me.
If you cannot see that prayer experiments are silliness, then either you don't know what the scientific method is, or you are being dishonest.
I am not criticising a particular experiment, but rather saying that the scientific method cannot be applied to prayer. And I gave an example of the problems in my post.
Your questions showed that you saw the problems too. The relationship between the one being tested, and the ones supplying the test data. And whether the subject is aware he is being tested.
I know of no valid scientist that would conduct such an experiment. Now, I do know of organizations (both atheists and theists) who have funded and conducted fake experiments to bolster their particular point of views. But no real scientist would lend their name and reputation to such stupidity.
Do you know of any way to run a prayer experiment using the scientific method?
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@bmdrocks21
What about "legal" loopholes that allow corporations to escape paying taxes, should those be closed?
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@Salixes
Nobel didn't "invent" dynamite.
Yes, I see what you mean.
Lol. Do you? You see your lie?
There are many ways of being dodgy, like placing a keyword in inverted commas.
Right. Inverted commas are so dodgy.
Not like dodging that 65.4% of Nobel prize-winners were Christians. That's not dodgy at all when compared to inverted commas.
Or that some guys invention has anything to do do with Christians being scientists.
as I said ol' Sal. Fake.
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@Stephen
@Deb-8-a-bull
@BrotherDThomas
Stephen, please get someone to explain the topic to you.
Dee Dee, again, you had nothing to say so I just tossed your entire post out.
Deb, I'm sure your posts make sense to you as you are making them, but on the board, its a different matter.
Stay well.
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@Salixes
No one here preaches more, or more often than you.it is half-wits who try to preach a load of superstitious, mythological crap...
But if "wit" refers to humor, you aren't up to half yet.
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@Salixes
Uh oh, the genius trots out his water cooler ditty again. Lol....while walking past the holy water fountain
Ask him why he's the zero-reply king, and suddenly HE'S walking past a water cooler with his head down.
Rich.
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@Salixes
Or, you are deliberately limiting the chances of your deceptive argument being derailed because you know it was obviously fake right from the beginning.I am deliberately limiting the chances of deceptive people who think they can try all sorts of tricks to derail the argument because they know the obvious right from the beginning.
Either or.
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Ol' Sal doesn't actually care. He just wants to be able to buttache about it while doing nothing himself.
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@bmdrocks21
We cannot have a redistribution of wealth in the country unless we Raise Corporate Taxes.
Corporations have all the money, and poor jobless illegal immigrants don't. So, take the money from the successful, hard working, innovator, and give it to the non-contributor, and all will be well.
What could be clearer?
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@Salixes
Lol! Yes, the thread had zero replies.And same old lack of reply,...
Dare you even attempt to make a serious comment?
On your click bait crap that dropped like a rock the first dozen times you spammed it? Your posts aren't serious Sal. Worse, you don't post for serious reasons.
But I did make a serious comment. That you didn't like it doesn't make it un-serious.
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@BrotherDThomas
AGAIN, who appointed you to be the forums monitor in what is to be posted or not as the same and lame old crap?
The same person who appointed you to be the forums monitor in how many posts are made in a specific amount of time.
Lol! If cluelessness was in the Olympics, you'd be a gold medal winner Dee Dee!
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We've heard you a thousand times Dee Dee. Go sit down.I suggest that....
Here is my counter suggestion. When you have nothing to say, don't post.
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@Salixes
Especially when somebody else gives the wrong bank details.
Relax Sal. The little girl will be fine.
Don't let your fail on this challenge stop your crocodile tears for all those little impoverished tykes.
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@Salixes
You are still the zero-reply king.
Do you know why?
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@Salixes
And, how come 65.4% of Nobel prize-winning were Christians?
And how come Nobel invented dynamite which has probably been responsible for killing and maiming more people than the lives saved by all peace prize winners put together?
Lol!! That is how our genius dodges the question.
(Nobel didn't "invent" dynamite. But if he had, your answer would be just as stupid.)
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@Stephen
As usual, you simply repeat the post of someone before you. I doubt you understand most threads you're in.
As such, the post of oromagi you paraphrased makes my post to him for you too.
PM him, he may explain it to you.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
That must be why you started talking about genitalia correct dummies. Do not let bitterness from those memories consume you Deb. You were not at fault. You were a victim.Also i was deeply shocked with the comment and it brought back old memories.
Disgusted was responsible for his ban, as is everyone who is banned. The mods are not algorithms one can manipulate.If he was any part responsible for disgusteds bann i will do it. Was he?
If you don't want to be reminded of your trauma, don't talk about it.
At least you've learned not to start a thread every time some lame joke occurs to you. Don't like zero-replies do you?
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@BrotherDThomas
Your running around the board stalking me, insisting that everything I do is bannable is hilarious. Just like the democrats jumping from Russia, to collusion, to impeachment, you jump around yelling cross contamination, to touching, to insults.
Do you have fantasies of being a mod? Lol, you can gave them up homer. Oh! And the first sentence? "Your" is correct.
Did your post mention the threads topic Dee Dee? D'oh!
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@oromagi
No sir. You missed the whole thing. It suggests "prayer experiments" are not real science.which suggests that athiests are not "real" scientists.
ethang5 fails to provide a single example of the "prayer experiment" he is refuting.
I don't need to Einstein, I'm saying the scientific method cannot be used on an omniscient being. Think a little.
How do we know ethang5 is accurately representing the experiment without prior examples?
You don't. You're supposed to think instead of knee jerk. I'm not "representing" any experiment, I'm showing you why it cannot be done effectively.
Actually, we can be fairly confident that ethang5 is not running any experiment using the scientific method:
BINGO!! "Prayer experiments" cannot be run via the scientific method genius.
he has offered no hypothesis,
...this experiment is trying to find out if the prayers of your children work....
no predictions,
What prediction can you give on the free will choices of an individual? D'uh.
his experiment is pure fiction,
True, but the principles are the same. "Testing" God is a ludicrous idea.
he does not explain why only children are the only subject of his experiment
Because everyone is a child of god genius. You couldn't figure that out, really? And God only answers the prayers of His children.
or why using only children should not skew his results)
Now you're finding out why "prayer experiments" are stupid science no real scientist would do. Who else are we going to ask if not children of God, donkeys?
Dude. I think you just pretty much made my case for me. Thanks.
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@Mopac
Lol.Here I am, defying all reason and talking to you.
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@Salixes
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New name, same old recycled crap spam.
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