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@Salixes
Nah, I just like it when you have nothing and have to pretend you do.
The "in" crowd. Lol.
You're not in, and you certainly aren't a crowd. You're fringe loonies.
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@Stephen
You said this genius.There are bigoted members discussing other members instead of discussing what this sub forum was created for.
What was this sub forum created for Stephen?
Well if you are the example to go by it was created specially for you to create arguments with anyone that doesn't agree with YOU!!!!!
And if you were the example to go by, what would this sub forum have been created for Stephen?
You've posted three times now, and each time has been you, a bigoted member discussing other members instead of discussing what this sub forum was created for.
Are you unaware that you're doing that?
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@Salixes
If God were real we would certainly know about it.
We do know about it. That's why you spend your days posting the same mono-topic thread over and over. Would you have dedicated your life to fantasy?
Therefore, there would be no reason to make up different texts and different Gods.
Except if you were deluded or dishonest. Or if you had like a compulsion or something.
That is the kind of god you'd be. The real one allows "nutters" to spam the board with irrational nonsense. He respects free will, even when it's highjacked by compulsion.You would have to be a complete nutter in light of the fact that God exists and of course (if He is anything like say, the Christian God) He would be displeased and instantly dispose of said texts and lock up the instigators in funny farms.
Sorry, your claim fails. God or no God, there will always loons running around trashing some religion or other. It just proves an original exists.
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@Salixes
I didn't make that statement Hosea.I think maybe you had better re-think your (lack of) reasoning if indeed you did actually put any thought whatsoever into such an absurd statement.
Now, perhaps with your balanced judgment and overwhelming intellect you could do a synopsis on that reply...
All I see is you dodging sheepie.
Here is another you can dodge. Is Australian Dream time absurd? And is it more or less absurd then racism?
Lol.
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@HistoryBuff
please provide evidence that the president is supposed to control inividual cases at the justice department.
My contention is that the president is the head of the Justice department. This is true. I have no clue why you're equating that fact with your imagination that Trump tried to control any individual case.
He publicly announced it. How delusional are you?
"It" being what, atheist with article? Trump announced his opinion. It was not a directive to Barr. Doesn't the 1st amendment cover the president?
what are you talking about, he tweeted it out. How can you deny reality so easily?
I don't deny he tweeted, I deny he tweeted what you are saying he did. Reality is not your loony interpretation of his tweet.
lol trump has a history of firing anyone and everyone who displeases him.
So does every boss on Wall Street. So what? They serve at the pleasure of the president. It is not a crime for the commander in chief to fire an employee he is displeased with.
He then publicly announces that he wants the justice department to do something.
You are still lying. Trump did not ask the Justice dept to do anything. Read the tweet. It is not instructions or a request.
Only an idiot would pretend that wasn't him pressuring them to do what he wants.
You are so dishonest! First it was "ordering" the Justice dept to, then it was "arranging" his trial to be fixed, now its him "pressuring" them! All Trump did was express his opinion that the sentence was extreme.
All the silliness about pressure, and orders, and arranging is from your TDS, not reality.
And why would Trump "publicly" announce interference?
tell them to take specific action on cases is interference. That is just a fact.
But it is not a fact that Trump told them to take any action. The FACT is that Trump only stated his opinion.
You lie with the word "that", trying to make it seem as if your word "that" refers to interference when it only refers to his opinion. So far you've called it "ordering" and "arranging" and "pressuring".
The fact is that interference is only your perception of the effect of the tweet, and your TDS is confusing you into thinking your perception is Trump's intent.
lol he tweeted out a confession. You really are delusional.
Yeah. I'm the delusional one. Sorry HB, I don't think you're sane enough for this conversation.
@GP
GP, I think HB is too deranged to see his delusion. Your posts were good but wasted on a person who is no longer rational. But thanks
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@HistoryBuff
So what? Hama's calls the United States terrorists. So what? American revolutionaries did not seek out women and children to kill.The american revolutionaries would have been called terrorists.
Don't pretend like terrorism hasn't been used all over the world.
Terrorism has been used all over the world by terrorists! None of it excuses terrorists or their terror.
The US is still bombing funerals and weddings to this day.
Right. This is why you liberals are considered loony fringe. With the US, funerals and weddings are incidentals, not the object, as it is with Hama's.
Saying you won't negotiate with people just means that the conflict will only ensure conflict continues.
I said "can't", not won't.
True. A group of people who called themselves Israelites lived there thousands of years ago. That doesn't mean that the people who choose to call themselves Israeli's now are the same people.
How were they Jews then? You aren't making sense.
That doesn't mean that the people who choose to call themselves Israeli's now are the same people.
They are the Jewish descendants of Israeli Jews. What else would make them "same" people?
Is Jericho a fictional city?
no, that seems entirely unrelated though.
Just checking to see if you were going to deny everything from ancient Israel as "fictional", because there is still today a Jericho in the same place. Little harder to deny that line no?
if 99% of the people living in Japan were some other ethnicity, then it would no longer be Japan.
And when anti-immigration proponents say the same thing, you call them racists! But this is liberal stupidity. No people automatically "lose" their country because their ratio to foreigners gets small.
They decided to call their new nation the same name as the ancient one for publicity and to lend the state some level of credibility.
So "Atlantis" was taken then? This is laughably untrue. They had a real connection to Israel, and the UN knew this.
in tiny, virtually insignificant numbers.
The numbers make no difference.
The vast majority of what you consider Israeli's moved there since the end of WW 1.
What they themselves and the world considered to be Israelis.
They are almost all Jewish people of various ethnic backgrounds that moved there because of European backed zionism.
How did they get that ethnic background HB?
You cannot have "back" something you have never had.
Then from whence their ethnicity?
The US has, and continues, to engage in terrorism.
Whataboutism does not save your point or defeat mine. The Palestinians are locked up because they are rabid terrorists.
Don't pretend like they are somehow evil for using the same tactics america does.
It is your allegation that America uses terrorism, not a fact. And even if a fact, does not excuse Palestinians, but simply convicts Americans.
Do you have any clue why everyone in the world would rather live in America than in Palestinian? Even Palestinians?
are you aware that america has murdered millions of innocent people?
So what? Therefore terrorism is moral?
Why do you feel like they are evil for doing the same thing America did and continues to do?
Because America doesn't do the "same thing". Intent matters to morality. Placing a bomb in a school is morally different to hitting a school by accident.
The morality that equates America to Islamic terrorists is so absurd I need no defense against it. You moaned about Palestinians being in an open air prison, they are there because they are unrepentant violent terrorists. What America is or is not has no baring on it.
And morally defending jihadi terrorists and condemning America is as morally bad as terrorism itself.
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Salixes is on another board with a Hindu best friend. So he knows whats in the Hindu "holy book".It would be fair to say that there is no other book with so much perverted sex, gratuitous violence and killing, exaggerated myths, gross inaccuracies, and outright lies.
Incest, rape, and child porn. And not just reporting instances of it like the bible does, but having graphic stories of their Gods raping and indulging in incest and child porn. Yet Ol Sal thinks the bible is worse.
Just before coming back to Dart, ol Sal was accused of having child porn on his PC. Could that be related to why he doesn't see the Hindu smut as vile?
Curious.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Has he seen a pic of you DD? Cause if you look like a sheep, that might explain his question above.
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@Salixes
So what is a "non-conventional religion"?
You tell me since it was you who said that there are conventional religions
Right. He said conventional religions. You said non-conventional religions, so he's asking you, "what is a "non-conventional religion". You said it slick.
so I therefore assumed that you, through inference, was saying that there are unconventional religions.
No. You said it, in post #5. And he's now asking you about what you said. Got your Reebok's on?
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@Salixes
I'm sure that if you took a trip to Aṉangu Pitjantjatjara Yankunytjatjara lands in the state where I live and tell that to the locals you would come away wearing a boomerang around your head.
And when the locals there start spamming the Dart religion board with stale mono-topic clunkers, I just might. But until then, the only compulsive here is you.
Fact: The Australian Dreamtime religion is the first, original and most copied religion.
OK Homer. So Australian Dreamtime was invented. Whose disagreeing with you?
Your claim doesn't stand to reason. It falls. It fails. It rather stands to reason that if God was the one who invented religion, there would be many holy books and many forms of worship trying to imitate the original.
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@Salixes
And we notice you didn't answer.
I guess you realized you had no answer for your bigotry and hate."
...reminds me of a couple of themes
Nothing has to remind you sheepie. You're compulsive.
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@HistoryBuff
That isn't even an attempt at negotiating.
We found you can't negotiate with terrorists.
Please prove to me that modern day israeli's the same people who lived there 6,000 years ago.
People do not live 6,000 years HB.
Who lived there 6,000 years ago? I'll answer for you, since you seem shy. Israelis.
David is almost certainly a fictional character.
Is Jericho a fictional city?
The jewish population in the region was tiny until about 100 years ago...
So what? Will the Japanese lose Japan when their population reaches a certain number?
That doesn't mean they are the same people or that they have any right to be there.
So European Jews just picked Israel out of a hat as their ancestral land? Are you daft?
because until the 1940's none of them lived there.
Both untrue and irrelevant. Jews have always existed in Israel.
They were eurpeans who happened to be jewish...
Lol!! "Happened" by chance? If they were Jews genius......
...and decided they wanted their own country
back.
Corrected for ya. And there were Jews there in Israel too.
they are walled into an open air prison because the Israeli's are trying to starve them and abuse them into submitting to their demands.
Right, it has nothing to do with them being bloody terrorists.
If you were being starved and blockaded by a hostile people you would fight back too.
I would never put bombs in grade schools or rain down missiles on innocents, or murder 50 of my own people to get a single enemy soldier.
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@HistoryBuff
The President is the head of the Justice Department.
no, the attorney general is.
No sir. You need a civics lesson.
please provide a link to a source saying it is normal for a president to order the AG to lower the sentences for his friends.
?? Lol. Can you be more dishonest? I can give you a link showing that the President is the Chief law enforcement officer in the country and is the boss of the AG.
And once again, the president did not order the AG to lower the sentences for his friends. Please stop lying.
trump is ordering investigations of his enemies and the lowering of sentences for his criminal friends.
Another lie. Thank God the Senate was not suffering from TDS.
lol so a matter of days after trump arranges his trial to be fixed and he gets off the hook,
Now its "arranges" and not "orders"? Trump expressed his opinion. He did not arrange or order anything.
He is publicly announcing he wants to interfere in the justice department.
It isn't "interference" HB. Your calling it so doesn't make it so. And why would Trump "publicly" announce interference?
the president telling his AG to go after his enemies and reduce sentences on his friends..
The President did not tell his AG to go after his enemies and reduce sentences on his friends. You are only alleging that. Surely you can tell the difference between what the President does and what you suspect he did?
your question was why didn't trump make these orders in private.
You declined to answer. And we saw the tweet. It was not an order. It was not even addressed to the AG. Stop lying.
I am quite certain he has done that too.
But your "certainty" is not proof or evidence of a crime. This is what you guys suffering from TDS don't get.
Trump is announcing his corruption in public because he knows his base doesn't care.
But the country is not composed only of his base. And this is your suspicion you're treating as if its fact. It isn't.
You are seeing him live tweeting abuse of office and you are defending it.
No, I am seeing you accuse him of that stupidity. I have seen no evidence of abuse of office. Just as I saw no evidence to convict Judge Kavenaugh, I saw no evidence of Russian collusion, I saw no evidence for impeachment.
All I see is you changing your comments to, "that is what Trump is doing..." And being equivocal about what "that" refers to. Did you not say this...
It was an example of the kind of corruption that could occur if the president was allowed to meddle in the justice department. He hasn't gone quite that far (which would be extremely illegal).
To what does the bolded "that" in your comment refer? Honesty will not harm you HB.
everyone is supposed to be below the law. that is the point.
No one is below or above the law slick. We are all innocent till proven guilty.
Everyone must obey it.
And there must be proof of someone breaking the law before we convict, not just TDS fueled suspicion.
If the president has the authority to order the justice department to do what he wants on specific cases, he is above the law.
You are being dishonest again. No one is arguing that the president has the authority to order the justice department to do what he wants on specific cases, and that is NOT what has happened. Why are you lying?
The President expressing his opinion in a tweet is not "meddling", the tweet was not an "order" to Barr, or "arranging" cases. Those are simply your allegations.
IF he orders them not to charge his friends then...
If. Then we will deal with it when it happens, not accuse and convict him of it because it's possible. That's tyranny.
The system you seem to want is to make trump king.
No. I want the same system we had before TDS, where a person is innocent until proven guilty.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am not aware of anyone being capable of using a scribe while not existing.
Who said Plato didn't exist? I said your logic was faulty. Writing attributed to Plato does not prove Plato existed, and if a scribe wrote what is attributed to Plato, then your logic says its about Plato, not by Plato. Try to keep up.
Still not sure what your reference to the Shakespeare stuff has to do with anything either, perhaps you could fill in the blanks...
Writing attributed to a writer is not proof that writer existed or that he wrote that work.
It is reasonable to think it is possible Shakespeare existed and the works attributed to him were plagiarized by Shakespeare.Therefore it is reasonable to think it is possible Plato did not exist and the works attributed to him were _______
I think Plato existed. I just don't think the work attributed to him is what proves it.
And your legs are not long enough to run away from the point. There is more evidence for the existence of Jesus than for Plato.
I'm not doubting the existence of Plato, I'm saying the evidence for Jesus is stronger.
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@HistoryBuff
no, the attorney general is.
No sir. You need a civics lesson.
The president appoints the attorney general. But he is not supposed to be in charge of the day to day operations of the department,
I said nothing about day to day running. The president is the head of the executive branch, the Justice dept. is part of the executive. He is the boss of the AG.
ordering the justice department to take specific actions on specific cases that involve your friends is meddling. It is also abuse of office.
Both the President and the AG denied that the president ordered the justice department to take specific actions on specific cases. Calm down your TDS.
It was an example of the kind of corruption that could occur if the president was allowed to meddle in the justice department.
This isn't Kavenaugh 2.0. No one should be convicted for what COULD happen. And a chief executive talking to his AG is not meddling.
Which is exactly what trump is doing right now.He hasn't gone quite that far
Make up your mind man.
I have then shown you exactly why it is abuse of power.
You showed me why you think it is an abuse of power. Reality doesn't reside between your ears. A president talking to his AG is not meddling or an abuse of power.
Answer this question. If Trump intended to interfere with the justice department to benefit himself and his friends, why would he not simply do that in a private phone call to Barr?
Why do you think he hasn't done that too?
I'm not the one making ridiculous charges against Trump. The question makes sense. And it's telling that you can't answer. The fact that Trump put his opinion in a public tweet is evidence he was not attempting to do anything illegal.
But if he orders (or even pressures) the AG to take specific actions on a case, especially if that case relates to a friend of the president, that would be abuse of power.
And that is not what Trump did. Yet TDS has you both convicting him and admitting he has not gone that far at the same time.
You're putting your fingers in your ears and pretend the corruption IS happening. That is called TDS.
If the justice department can be controlled by the president, then the president and his friends are effectively above the law.
Sorry, that is just stupid. What you mean to say is that a president can abuse his power. So what? So can a cop. So can a judge. No one is guilty just because they can abuse their power, actual abuse must be proven.
Do you think the president and his friends are above the law?
No, but since I don't suffer from TDS, I also don't believe the president is below the law either. He remains innocent until proven guilty.
This moron liberal penchant of assuming guilt at a mere accusation, and insisting on guilt at just a possibility, will not be tolerated in America. We are not yet a Nazi nation.
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@ludofl3x
Actually the point I was making is that some CHRISTIANS do not believe jesus was sent to save everyone.
I was only interested in your lie about what Ethan believed.
Maybe read the whole sentence where I refer to Christian s and then cited you as an example next time.
I did, and pointed out your lie. You did not cite me as a Christian, you cited me as a Christian who didn't believe that Jesus came to save everyone.
It wouldnt have been accurate to say some Christians about myself, I'm not a Christian.
It wasn't accurate for you to say, "some Christians" about me either. I'm not a Christian who believes Jesus didn't come to save everyone.
Congrats on proving I dont believe jesus was sent to save everyone,
I only cared about what you said I believed. Proving you don't believe in Jesus was just a serendipitous perk.
Well done.
Thanks, but I knew I'd be able to dismantle your lie.
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@Vader
True. And though he's mightily fighting his compulsion now, it is not controllable and he will lose. It's only a matter of time.
In the main time, lolz.
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@HistoryBuff
That is ridiculous on its face. So many countries have tried. All of them were of bad faith?no one has tried to negotiate in good faith with them for decades.
lol the palestinians lived there long before the Israeli's came.
Came from where? The country is called Israel, the people are Israeli. Coincidence? What nationality was David? Who lived there 6,000 years ago?
Israel has only existed a few decades.
Yet we have documentation of Israel from 6,000 years ago. What country is called Palestine?
By this logic to the Itallians have the right to own all of Europe because the romans lived there 2,000 years ago?
If they were still there contesting the land yes. The Israeli have always been in Israel. Unlike the Romans, who invaded and conquered Europe.
The country came into existence in the 1940's.
Then how come there are ancient documents and artifacts and history of Israel centuries before 1940?
No treaty ever granted that land to israel. It is extremely clear that the land still belongs to the Palestinians.
Nonsense. What treaty granted Africa to Africans? No one needs a treaty to their own land. Why would Israeli need a treaty to Israel?
you are aware that Israel blockades the palestinians right?
So do their Muslim brothers in Egypt. Do you know why? They are walled into an open air prison because they behaved like criminals, bombing and killing innocents.
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@HistoryBuff
The president is not supposed to be meddling in the justice department.
What is meddling? The President is the head of the Justice Department.
If he is allowed to do that, it is an incredibly powerful tool for corruption.
If he is allowed to do WHAT, atheist with article? Talking to your employee is now "meddling"?
For example, having charges thrown out or sentences reduced in exchange for political favors.
But that is not what transpired. Honesty is a virtue HB.
The president attempting to interfere with the justice department to benefit himself and his friends is a clear abuse of power.
Everything Trump does is a "clear abuse of Power" to you TDS sufferers.
Answer this question. If Trump intended to interfere with the justice department to benefit himself and his friends, why would he not simply do that in a private phone call to Barr?
The President is head of the Justice department. He can discuss any case with the AG. He is the direct boss of the AG, and his mandate as CEO is enforcement of the country's laws.
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@ludofl3x
Ethang doesn't think he was about saving EVERYONE, just a few,
That is your belief you're trying to hoist on me. Now, you either believe Jesus was about saving you, or you do not believe he was about saving you.
It would have been less of a lie if you had said "ethang AND I don't think he was about saving EVERYONE, just a few..."
My position is I'm pretty sure the entirety of the bible is fiction/ myth, that jesus wasn't real, that no one has had superpowers, that he was not "sent" from whatever dimension to "save" anyone from the wrath of some unseen, undemonstratable and completely impotent god.
So then the final and full truth is...
"I, Ludofl3x, don't think he was about saving EVERYONE, just a few..."
Thank you. See? As long as you're moving towards truth, you will get there.
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@Stephen
And yet its you who never answers questions. Hypocrite much?not being the slightest interested in any type of serious discussion about his god and the scriptures of his religion.
There are bigoted members discussing other members instead of discussing what this sub forum was created for.
Ethang 5 is a perfect example of someone...He only ever works to...he is on the back foot.He then simply goes...his lies and deceit...There is not a single thread that he joins without...his first post if it...his demented fairy tale take on his religion...He thinks quoting unreliable unsupported...one agrees with him...he simply goes into insult..He's like the little boy...he can't score a fkn goal...ethang 5 falls sorrowfully into this..
What was this sub forum created for Stephen?
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A quick skim of the internet does not substitute for an education.
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@Stephen
Everyday I toss a fruitcake with an undersized brain.
You have to fake a position for me because you are empty and dishonest. You run away because you are empty. You are a fraud, and I show you so.
And while you just run away and respam your debunked post, people all over the world keep loving and worshipping God.
If your argument was strong, you would be able and willing to defend it. But your position is weak. Lame. That's why you lie. That's why you run. That's why you spam.
Till you gain integrity and address questions to you like a man, instead of running like a coward, you will get tossed for the entertainment of the Gentle Readers.
Smile. You're on Dart TV.
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As President, Trump is in charge of Law enforcement for the country. He is the direct head of the Justice department.
So what is all the palava about Trump talking to Barr? Where is the problem?
These complainers are people who don't even know how their own country's government is structured.
Now if we could only get rid of all these activist judges, we'd be making some progress!
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@ludofl3x
You just described Richard P. Hobson.He's not giving interviews, he's not performing miracles, he's not out preaching his word, he's not on this message board,...
ethang doesn't think he was about saving EVERYONE, just a few,
That is your belief you're trying to hoist on me. Now, you either believe Jesus was about saving you, or you do not believe he was about saving you.
It would have been less of a lie if you had said "ethang AND I don't think he was about saving EVERYONE, just a few..."
I'm assuming you think movement towards truth is preferable?
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@Salixes
Or compulsion. Either or.They could justify their madness and simply call it God.
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@Salixes
Nowadays, the tables have changed and we live in a healthy, prosperous, free secular society whereby atheists are the in crowd (with) while theists are the out crowd (without).
The compulsive genius spamming the board with the mono-topic drone and bad jokes is the"in crowd".
I can see the crowds now fighting to be just like you. Lonely, friendless, bitter and banned from every other moderated site he's been on.
You better make room.
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No, he should, DD. He should.I mean dude, I am just a random asshole on the internet with a high school diploma and a 2.7 GPA. You should not be having this much trouble keeping up with me.
Lol!
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@Salixes
So your claim doesn't stand to reason. It falls. It fails. It rather stands to reason that if God was the one who invented religion, there would be many holy books and many forms of worship trying to imitate the original.
Don't mind me. I'm just reposting the rebuttal you're dodging. Sort of a public service, if you will.
Please go on posting Aussie tinged stupidity.
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@HistoryBuff
As long as Palestinians run on the lie that any of Israel is theirs, Israel will never capitulate.
This is the same sort of lie going on in Africa and Afghanistan that the UN validates. Some ragtag strongman kills enough people and thus gets a "right" to co-govern with the real elected officials.
Where did this insanity come from that Israel was for Palestinians? Is it any wonder that both the Libs in Britain and the Dems in the US are riddled with anti-semites?
Does any country on Earth have a longer and clearer history of connection to its land than Israel?
Here is the fact.
We know history. Israel was once owned by Israelis. This is a fact.
When did Israel lose it's land? When did he land become the property of Palestinians? And why did it switch ownership?
Palestinians are from Jordan. None of Israel belongs to them. They are walled into an open air prison because they behaved like criminals, bombing and killing innocents.
Israel does not starve them of resources, they take their meager resources and waste them on armaments. They starve themselves.
The PLO and Hama's know they stay in power only as long as their people remain bitter angry and ignorant. They do not want peace. Break that cycle of indoctrinating kids to become murderous "myrters" and this silliness will peter out.
The difference can be seen in their societies. One is a free and open democracy, the other is a den of blood lusting zealots.
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@HistoryBuff
the reason I had blocked you was you were consistently going for ad hominem attacks and ignoring what I was saying.
I don't care why you blocked me. Just that if you do, (which is your prerogative) don't post to me. Posting to you is not some prize I seek.
Oh please. Israel has nuclear weapons. Israel has been the model of tolerance. Israel has not yet even approached what it is possible for them to do.The israeli's have already done everything possible to try to force them to give up.
You need to make them want peace. The only way to do that is to offer a deal that they want to accept.
The only deal they will accept is one that validates the lie that Israel is theirs.
If Israel insists that they won't give up anything, then the conflict will continue.
It will end when Israel makes them understand that continued fighting is indistinguishable from death.
If they won't see reason, the rest of the world should apply pressure to them until they do.
And I say, if the Palestinians won't see reason, Israel should apply pressure to them until they do. Why should Israel give up their land?
this is a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature.
Interesting, as I find misunderstanding human nature is the main failing of liberalism. Pointed succinctly (as usual) by GP above.
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@drafterman
Did they do this publicly or in PM?
In PM.
But I was not the first to out him.
But go over to DDO's religion page now and you will see his old threads he lifted unchanged and spammed here.
I don't know what's got realnihilist's panties in a bunch, except that maybe he feels a close affinity to another illogical atheist.
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@TheRealNihilist
Lol. A logical mod. I'm swooning with satisfaction.
Hey RealNihilist, if you know Sal to be other than Willows, say so. But of the two of us, its me who knows what he's talking about.
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I said written by, not about
I doubt very much that Plato wrote those things himself. If he used a scribe, that kills your argument, according to your logic.
Yes, I have heard of the Bible.
The bible was compiled long after the sermon on the mount. Those words are attributed to Jesus (your standard) Because someone else wrote them down is immaterial.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
As school must have been for you.Trying to believe in this trinity sure does look painful.
But lucky for you, you live in a country with a safety net for "special" people like you.
It isn't painful at all Deb, it just looks that way from your "special" vantage point.
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@drafterman
Can the number of elements be equal?Not if those elements are different.
The set of even numbers it not equal to the set of odd numbers.
They are equal in the number of elements.
Since we're dealing with set theory, we should use the terminology of set theory.
I'm trying to use set theory to explain the trinity, I think some flexibility is justified here.
So either you are being redundant and saying that they are the same cardinality twice, in two different ways, or you have made an incorrect statement.
I was being redundant as "equal" can mean more than one thing.
I just thought of something else.
I just realized that infinite sets are dynamic. They are open ended. What I mean is that the process of placing elements into an infinite set never ends.
Therefore, infinite sets are never created. For something to be created, the creation process must end. God could not have been created. He is a set open ended at both ends. Eternal.
It's no wonder then that He refers to Himself as "I AM" the infinite set G is constantly growing, it had no beginning, and will have no end. It just is.
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@TheRealNihilist
Salixes is Willows.It will make Salixes time here less pleasant when they are calling him a person that he doesn't know of.
I've known he was Willows for a while, and said nothing till he voluntarily admitted to me that he was.
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@drafterman
Sorry, I don't understand what you're opposing. Are you saying that two sets with the same number of elements cannot be called equal?Not in set theory, no.
It makes their cardinality the same, yes, but it does not make them equal.
It depends on what the equality refers to. Two infinite sets are equal in infinity if they share a 1 to 1 correlation. Also, two sets with similar element types can be said to be "equal", like a set of black cars, and the set of red cars, if "equal" is referring to the type of element within the sets.
You aren't always dealing with known sets. Sometimes you have two sets that may be different that are subsequently shown to be equal. That is: containing exactly the same elements.
Then you should say,
"Sometimes you have two sets that are [thought to be] different...
What property of God?
Infiniteness, omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, immutability.
The divine properties.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Are you aware of the recent dispute about whether Shakespeare wrote the works we currently attribute to him?
So all it takes is for someone to attribute something to someone and that is evidence?
I wasn't aware of any texts attributed to Jesus.
Ever hear of the Sermon On The Mount? Or the Golden Rule? Or the Parable of the Sower?
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@drafterman
The only way to reduce an infinite set in size is to subtract an infinity, but that is not subtraction as much as it is a deletion.The size of a set is represented by its cardinality. And you an certainly (as shown) move between larger and smaller cardinalities among sets of infinite size through addition and substraction.
No, being in 1:1 correlation with something does not make those two things identical.
It makes them identical in infiniteness.
The set of all even numbers is in 1:1 correlation with the set of odd numbers, but it would be incorrect to say that the set of even numbers IS the set of odd numbers.
You misunderstand me. A set that shares a 1 to 1 correlation with another set that is infinite, is itself infinite. And while we have infinite sets in theory, God is the only literal infinite set. Any real set that is infinite is either a subset of God, and therefore reflects the property of God, or it is the superset God itself.
But that is not what makes sets equal. Sets are only equal of they contain the same elements.
No. There are several ways sets can be equal. They can have an equal number of elements, or they can have the same type of element, or they can be infinite.
It is not rational to say two sets are equal because they have the same elements. This is tautology. Its like saying the set of all even numbers is equal to the set of even numbers. They aren't two separate sets. But sets can be equal in size, or type of S, or in infinity.
In this respect we were talking about reflection which talks about the properties of sets. What do you consider to be "properties" of sets in the context of the reflection principle?
Fantastic question! Elements are placed into sets because they share a property. For example, a car in the subset of the Set of Red Cars in America will be red. Red can be considered a "property" of the main set that will be reflected in any subset.
So any subset (F, S, H) of the superset G will reflect the property of Godhood found in the superset.
Jesus said, "I and my Father are one." He meant that He shared the property with the Father. That property is only shared by members of the superset G.
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@OntologicalSpider
No he wouldn't, and that betrays his contention here.
Of what value is his belief in God to God? Why would God want him to believe He exists?
He says he did invite God into his life, but what was the invitation for? For dinner? To share a drink? To watch a movie? To answer a few questions?
If he would listen, I would suggest to Draft that he's doing it wrong.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am not confused at all, and if we go by your stated standard, there is more evidence for Jesus existence than for Plato.That's laughably false. You may be confusing Plato with Socrates, though even then this statement would be a pretty big stretch.
The "more evidence for Jesus than Socrates" meme is based on the fact that Socrates left behind no written works of his own (or at least none that have survived to the present, it is hard to tell which). The number of firsthand accounts of his life, however, are incredibly numerous considering how long ago he lived.
There are more firsthand accounts of Jesus' life than for either Plato or Socrates.
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@zedvictor4
Lol.
I can dismiss you because the "shovel-leaning roadworker who wrote the book you get your ideas from", (what book?) is a theist!
Lol. Hilarious.
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While Draft has a point that mods should not be quality police, it is undeniable that quality does matter. What Salixes does diminishes the experience of the site.
Remember he was banned before (as Willows) for the same behavior. We are now under a different CoC, so it may be true that his is not violating our current CoC.
But what if Ethan, and Stephen, and Brother Dee Dee started doing the same thing? Would 75 mono-topic, one-liner, pun posts a day be OK? Now that we have mods on both sides of the issues, it would be a great time to update the CoC without the risk of it going too far one way or another.
Our format has only 30 threads per page. 25 threads from one person a day (added to all the others) would frustrate everyone else.
But what Salixes is doing is not really spam. We have never had this problem before. It is being called spam because that is the closest known thing to what it is. Here is the real problem with it...
Our home page says...
DebateArt.com is the best online debating platform created with a single purpose to give anyone a chance to test themselves in debates and improve argumentation and eloquence skills.
Does Salixes's threads help us fulfill this purpose? Incessant one liners ment to insult the religious?
A close look shows that Sal is not really responding to rebuttals, he usually takes responses to his posts as an excuse for more insults and vitriol. He hardly ever address the point in rebuttals.
But more practically, no one can adequately respond o 25+ threads a day. Most of his threads end up being convos between others, with him absent, while he goes off to start even more threads
Our home page also says...
...community plays a decisive role in the project's development.
What is the community now saying? Will the moderating team listen?
In order to meet the highest standards of content quality, a team of community approved moderators work days and nights to make sure that intellectual intercourses stay intellectual.
So quality does matter. If Dart was just an online platform, it would not need mods or a CoC. It is not, and should not, be a place where disgruntled people simply vent grievances over and over.
Finally, did any of you see how Salixes treated Mopac? Does anyone deserve getting insulted that way just because of their belief?
Where is Mike? Does he still believe this behavior is detrimental to the site?
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@Greyparrot
Correct. The liberal alternative is to have innocents on both sides continue to die for no good reason. That is worse to me.
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@WaterPhoenix
You don't appear clueless to anyone with a rational mind WP....make you appear clueless.
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@Salixes
Hope I didn't cramp your spamming style.Ah well, got to go now. I have 26 more to go today.
I've noticed too that your zero-reply count is growing. You know what's coming, and you cannot change your behavior. Do you feel trapped?
Compulsion must feel terrible. To know your behavior is crazy, but not being able to stop yourself from doing it, and then having to rationalize some weak excuse for why you do it that everyone knows is fake.
Weeping Willow fits you.
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