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@Salixes
But, as you quite rightly contended, the operative word here is "would"and the opening post said "if".
But the question you dodged is, " If God DID invent religion, what would have happened to all the fakes?
Why would there be no fakes IF God had started religion? You assume this though it is dazzlingly illogical.
As TS correctly points out, the presence of counterfeits, strongly indicate the existence of an original.
So your claim,
"Doesn't it stand to reason that if God invented religion, there would be only one religious text and one denomination of worship?"
Doesn't stand to reason. It falls. It fails. It rather stands to reason that if God was the one who invented religion, there would be many holy books and many forms of worship trying to imitate the original.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Sal is not as educated or as intelligent as you are assuming him to be.Yeah so he was talking about Plato like I said but not in the way I thought he was.
Since his delusion makes him believe he is %100 right, he doesn't need logic. Freed from the bounds of having to be logical, ol' Sal can say pretty much any idiotic thing.
And afterwards he answers no questions about his idiotic comments, so, win!
My guess is that this is his loony preemptive strike on Plato because he saw me write that there is less evidence for the existence of Plato than for Jesus.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You freak out very well. Too bad this performance was too late for this years Oscars. Lol.Omg I can't take it easy I am TOTALLY FREAKING OUT right now...
But your credentials are being questioned by association. You mentioned Plato, and Plato may have been a theist, ( he was a druggie anyway) and viola! Sal has found the reason you contradict him. You are faking being an atheist, like Plato!
Lol! Sorry, but its funny.
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@WaterPhoenix
For years he was the poster known as Willows infecting the religion board on DDO. He is still there ready to jump out from under his bridge and assault anyone posting as a theist regardless of their post.
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I cannot stop you, but it is hypocritical to @ me when you have me blocked. Just like a liberal, you want to shout and drown out the voice of others. Cancel culture.
If you don't want me sending posts to you, why are you sending posts to me? Well, your hypocritical block means nothing, not only your voice will be heard, Mine will too.
Please stop posting to me if you don't want me posting to you.
You are incorrect. Peace was not imposed on japan or germany. They surrendered. They chose to accept peace.
No sir. It was imposed. Both Japan and Germany were beaten into submission. Both Adolf and the Emperor did the same thing, they bowed to the inevitable, they could no longer resist the imposition.
If one side does not accept peace, then peace is impossible. They will continue fighting forever.
We know this is untrue because we know wars end. No side in a war is willing to surrender until the other side makes continuing indistinguishable from surrender. No side can continue fighting forever if they do not have an unlimited army. No one fights forever.
The only way to bring peace is to convince both sides to accept it, or to exterminate one side.
And the Russian soldiers marching into the capital of Germany convinced Hitler, and the mass atomic death in Nagasaki and Hiroshima convinced Japan. Palestine can likewise be convinced.
If you can't convince the palestinians to accept peace and you aren't a genocidal maniac, then peace will never happen.
Nonsense. There is no reason the Palestinians cannot be convinced. And they are already genocidal maniacs having stated their desire to extinguish Israel from the Earth.
Wars end when there is no one left willing to fight. Removing the people who wish to fight will save the lives of the majority. Israel should make them an offer they cannot refuse, and this problem will vanish in one generation. Just like it did in Japan and Germany.
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@Salixes
I know a little girl in Ghana that needs 10,000 Ghana CEDI's ( their unit of money) which comes to $200.
Surely a self-righteous atheist who can either do nothing to help this child or just doesn't care is either impotent or just plain, outright evil.
Which are you?
Remember now, you claim God doesn't exist and you do. If you believe God is imaginary, who do you think should help this little girl? You or someone else?
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@Salixes
What would have happened to all the confused, mistaken, and deluded people?Doesn't it stand to reason that if God invented religion, there would be only one religious text and one denomination of worship?
Not to mention all the fakes trying to use religion for profit?
Oopsies! I forgot again that you don't answer questions, especially ones that show how poor and biased your thinking is.
Carry on. I think you have 27 more threads to make today to meet your compulsion target?
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@zedvictor4
Oops Zed, you are now a closet Christian!
You can now be dismissed without reasoning.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Once he shoehorns you into that closet theist position, it's over for you.
This is just absurd.
Take it easy. You don't know the guy yet. He's going to make this you call absurd look like a thesis by Einstein in comparison.
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@Stephen
And yet you keep dodging the question of whether God created your loony threads. Why?
Because I have given up being the slightest interested in your bullshit questions
You dodged my questions on my first post to you liar. And you dodge all questions to you, not just mine.
your wasting your own fkn time trying to exchange with me.
Lol. I told you long ago that I was just going to toss you for lolz. Have you forgotten?
You have to get over the fact that if you are going to persist that "god" created everything
I'm over your repeated lie that I said God created everything. That's why you have to dodge my clear question, If I think God created everything, how come I know God didn't create your loony threads?
You have to fake a position for me because you are empty and dishonest. You run away because you are empty. You are a fraud, and I show you so.
And while you just run away and respam your debunked post, people all over the world keep loving and worshipping God.
If your argument was strong, you would be able and willing to defend it. But your position is weak. Lame. That's why you lie. That's why you run. That's why you spam.
And that's why I can toss you for lolz like pizza boy tosses pizza dough. It's not tiring because you're empty and therefore not heavy.
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@Salixes
You could just answer questions too, but you never do.
But questions to you are always "diversions" right? While yours are pertinent.
Here's one for your dancing shoes sheepie, is it immoral for a woman to abort her baby because she believes the baby will be gay?
While sheepie dances around that question let me tell you why he can't answer.
His default position is abortion on demand, no reason needed. But he's a loony liberal who thinks any opposition to homosexuality is immoral. So a "yes" answer kills his default position, and a "no" answer kills his homosexuality political correctness. So he's stuck.
He's stuck because is philosophy is dishonest, full of contradictions and deceit. So rather than answer, he will dance.
Go make another thread Sal. I know you're feeling the urge again.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Do you have beef with Alec?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Mopac doesn't go around insulting people. Mopac doesn't spam the board with caustic nonsense. Mopac has not been booted off every moderated site he's been on.So basically atheist Mopac.
So no. Mopac is not a bitter, compulsive stalking a board of people he claims to hate.
You are now "someone who say, claims to be an atheist..."
You credentials are now in question. And the only way you could be against him is if you are a closet theist, or controlled by theists. He is not just mistaken, the lad is deluded.
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Peace can be imposed.
It was imposed on Japan. Germany. Panama. Mexico. Sri Lanka. I could go on.
Since the Palestinians will not accept peace, it should be imposed.
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@Salixes
...the sexual inclination of that fetus.
Do fetuses have a sexual inclination? How do you know this? Oops, sorry you don't answer questions because you're dishonest. Skip that.
And does "sexual inclination" determine and lock in life choice? Can't a person resist or control his inclination?
What about a sexual inclination for kids? Is anyone born a pedophile? Or for sheep? Are there born sheepophiles?
But here is the hilarity of the thread. The on who believes it would be moral to abort a child simply because it was inconvenient, is asking the one who thinks it is immoral to kill a baby, if she would kill a baby if that baby was gay!
The questioner would kill a baby on a whim, forget about the sexual "inclination" of the baby. Just a "I don't want a baby" is enough for him.
If killing a baby simply because you don't want it is moral, how is killing a baby because it's gay immoral?
The questions are only food for thought for you Gentle Reader. The great debater Sal doesn't answer questions.
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@Justify
I respectfully suggest you don't hold your breadth waiting for them to do it.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
There ya go DD....they deserve at least a bit of retribution..
The genius thinks Christians deserve "retribution" and views his compulsive threads as "retribution".
So he isn't making 25 threads a day because he's a compulsive bitter geek, no, he's a savior to all those poor slobs who, unlike him, could not escape being hoodwinked.
He has said he believes the mods here to be Christians trying to shut him down because he's so dangerous to Christianity!
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Which of these more closely matches your intended meaning?
The second.
If this is not the case for you...
Well, all of us have had experiences with him. Alec claimed BMD told him in a PM. But no, I have never known him to behave insanely.
...the ratio of sane to non-sane people
That ratio may not be as low as you think.
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@drafterman
@Discipulus_Didicit
All of these findings (you may be startled to find), are incorrect, strictly speaking.
Not so. But let's look at them.
Starting with #3, the referenced paper does not prove that all identical sets are equal,
The paper does not try to prove all identical sets are equal! What would "identical" and "equal" mean in such a case? Identical sets ARE equal.
The paper asserted that though p was a subset of t, t was not larger than p! The subset still shared a 1 to 1 correlation with the original set. They were both infinite.
but rather that to specific infinite sets, p and t, have the same cardinality. Cantor's diagonal argument still holds to demonstrate that the Real numbers are a larger cardinality than countable sets.
True, and I touch on that later.
As a consequence, findings #2 and #1 are also false, as you can move from a countable set to an uncountable set via addition or subtraction. For example, the Integers + (Reals-Integers) = Reals. E.g. you've added something to a countable set to make it uncountable, thus increasing its cardinality. And a similar logic shows that you can subtract from an uncountable set to make it countable, thus decreasing its cardinality.
You are confusing countability with infinity. You cannot move from infinity to finite via subtraction with infinite sets. And addition does not change a sets cardinality. Findings #1 and #2 are correct as to the sets quality of being infinite.
Presuming that the set God is a countably infinite set, and the sets Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are proper subsets that are also countably infinite, then |G| = |F| = |S| = |H|.
Thank you.
That they exist in 1:1 correlation with God (and each other) is true.
And any being with a 1 to 1 correlation with God IS God.
However, it is not true to say that the sets are "equal." They have the same cardinality, yes, but sets are only equal if they contain the same elements.
Untrue. Two sets containing all the same elements are tautology. They would be the same set. They are equal in "infiniteness". And share cardinality.
Since F, S, and H are all proper subsets of G, then necessarily G contains elements not in F, S, and H meaning it is not equal to them.
Partly true. For F, S and H are still just as "big" as G, and still have a 1 to 1 correlation to G. And while G has elements not in each subset, no subset has elements not in G.
It is possible for F = S = H, however, since we are told of no other distinguishing characteristics that might set them apart.
If they are separate sets, they must have at least some unique elements.
But again, it would seem that the fact that G contains elements not in F, S, or H, then G has properties that are also not in F, S, H, namely the property of containing said elements!
Containing certain elements is not a "property". Of course G has elements not in a subset. That is a given. The point is that the subset is still the same size as G.
There are several different kinds of infinities and some are - contrary to common sense (but consistent with logic) - "larger" than others, for lack of a better term.
Yes, but I wanted to ease into that. An absolute infinity has elements which are continuous and therefore uncountable. God is an absolute infinity.
As the bible says..
2Ch 6:18 - “.... The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain [God].
And as Cantor showed, each subset of an absolute infinite set is itself an absolute infinity. God is like infinities within infinities. Like fractals.
This is what the bible is talking about when it says,
Rom 1:20 - For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Infinite set theory explains the trinitarian nature of God, and how the subsets work in and relate to, the superset God.
Heb 1:3 - Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.
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@drafterman
I am going to respond as a math aficionado, not an atheist:
Thank goodness! I just got assigned a duty by Mrs. Ethan so I'll reply later. Good post.
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@Stephen
if you are going to persist that "god" created everything in the whole universe...
And yet you keep dodging the question of whether God created your loony threads. Why?
..then he created homosexuals...
Where is your evidence that God created homosexuals?
...and then called it an "abomination"...
Does God call the act or the person an abomination?
then he ordered capital punishment for those who participate in homosexual act.
So even if an heterosexual participated, he would similarly get capital punishment? Oops! Sorry, you're dishonest so you don't answer questions.
Strange isn't it, that there is nothing in the bible that says sex with minors and infants is taboo.
There is. You're just ignorant. Do you have a problem controlling your attraction to children?
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@Stephen
And yet we are the ones who, unlike you, are transparent and willing to answer questions. Strange no?
The biggest sign of dishonesty is a person unwilling to answer questions about his own comments.
Are you aware that many people suspect that you and the genius Sal are the same person?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Bmdrocks21 also agrees with me on invading Africa.
Yeah, I could have guessed that.
You could, but it would have been a really stupid guess.
What would have been a really stupid guess? That he would believe that Bmdrocks21 agrees with him? Or that Bmdrocks21 agrees with him?
And either way, why?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Lol.
I'm not making this stuff up. He has told me himself.
He thinks Christianity is evil, feeding off the clueless masses. And he is the one who fights back and "exposes" that evil.
That is how he justifies his compulsion to himself. A guy who, say, washes his hand 30 times a day, has to rationalize that behavior to himself.
So Sal has built this elaborate world where there is this sinister shadow govt. of Christian evil agents. Like hydra. Anyone opposing him only gets relocated to this evil hoard.
Here is the thing to consider. Do you think the compulsive hand washer is trying to clean his hands? No. He is trying to soothe an emotional urge. It torments him till he washes his hands. He knows the urge is mental illness, so he rationalizes by talk about germs and calling his behavior sanitation.
Somewhere along the way, the thing got away from Sal. It became an uncontrollable compulsion. As you can probably tell, I am fascinated by the mentally unwell.
Its like watching a person who trapped inside themselves.
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I come to this topic as a mathematician, not as a philosopher or a theologian. From my perspective, mathematical "sets" — specifically infinite sets — can provide a small insight into the nature of God.
By Robbin O'Leary, Professor of Mathematics
I won't get into the details of the mathematics of Infinite Set Theory now. (Check out https://www.quantamagazine.org/mathematicians-measure-infinities-find-theyre-equal-20170912/
if you want to know the math)
Stated simply, a set is a collection of objects. These objects might be words, numbers or anything we group into that set.
The things we group into sets are called "elements". We will notice right away that some sets are finite, and others are infinite. That is, the elements within some sets have no end, like the elements in the set of all rational numbers, for example.
Theoretical scientists can then treat sets as single objects and do higher form of math to learn things about our reality that couldn't be learned otherwise.
There are some startling findings about Infinite set theory that shed light on some of the concepts found in the bible.
Startling finding #1 - Subtracting elements from an infinite set does not make it smaller.
If you have the set of all numbers, and remove from it, the subset of all even numbers, BOTH the original set AND the subset remain infinite!
Infinity can be taken out of infinity with no reduction in infinity! The same goes for addition. Adding the infinite set of all even numbers to the set of all odd numbers give us a set that is EQUAL in size to the sets added!
Startling finding #2 - Adding infinite sets to infinite sets does not make them any bigger! Infinite sets cannot be reduced OR increased!
Startling finding #3 - Infinite set are all identical. Each element in one infinite set can be paired with elements in another infinite set such that all infinite sets have a 1 to 1 correlation. They are all the same size!
What do these 3 findings mean to Christianity?
Jesus claimed to be God. He said to Thomas, "How can you ask me to show you the Father if you have seen me?" Jesus claimed to have "come out from God". He was calling Himself a proper subset of God.
He shared a 1 to 1 correlation with God, which did not reduce God, or render Jesus Himself less than God. This truth also shows how Jesus could not know some things, and still be God.
God is the absolute infinite set, with The Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit being proper subsets of the set "God".
All three sets are equal. The same size. Each one is equal to God, exactly in a 1 to 1 correlation with God. God does not diminish by removing one subset, or increase when one subset joins the Godhead.
Infinite subsets of infinite sets have a quality called "reflection", which means they have the same qualities of the original set. So as a subset of God, Jesus carries all the qualities of God, and indeed the bible calls Jesus the express image of God, He is the incarnation of God.
Set theory offers an explanation for the inner workings of the trinity.
Mathematicians Measure Infinities and Find They’re Equal
By KEVIN HARTNETT
September 12, 2017
Two mathematicians have proved that two different infinities are equal in size, settling a long-standing question. Their proof rests on a surprising link between the sizes of infinities and the complexity of mathematical theories.
In a breakthrough that disproves decades of conventional wisdom, two mathematicians have shown that two different variants of infinity are actually the same size. The advance touches on one of the most famous and intractable problems in mathematics: whether there exist infinities between the infinite size of the natural numbers and the larger infinite size of the real numbers.
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@Stephen
Pure lie.Maybe that is because Salixes is used to the fact that none of theists here are willing to debate anything
Salixes believes every theist is dishonest or deluded. He doesn't debate, he doesn't argue points, he doesn't use logic.
He believes he is right and the theist is lying before a word is spoken. He is totally deluded, and for 6 years I've seen nothing break through his delusion.
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@Vader
The people saw through the scam that was Yang's "Freedom Dividend".
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*Trump is acquitted in the Senate
*Trump wins emoluments case
*Those two idiots escorted out of the WH under armed guard
*IA caucus in shambles
*Economy still flying high
*Trump with his highest approval ratings
*Documents being requested from lying, dog faced, pony liar
If this continues, Trump's win 2020 might be anticlimactic.
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@TwoMan
It's not up to you to decide what is reasonable for another person.
True. But it still is unreasonable, even without my decision.
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@Dr.Franklin
I'm a theist so I have a cogent reason why I'm better than a cow. What reason do atheists give?
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@drafterman
Why are parables and poetry confusing?
Some of the best communicated ideas were given through parables and poetry.
Sure parables and poetry can be confusing, but it seems you want a dialogue on your terms.
Too often the atheist pretends that metaphors, similes, and figures of speech don't exist and feigns confusion.
If God does exist, it seems highly logical that He would be the ultimate reality, as all reality would have flowed out from Him.
If you do not believe God exists, then OK, but if you allow the possibility, then the most reasonable extended conclusion is mopac's argument that the ultimate truth is God.
If you allow for the possibility of God existing, but deny He is the ultimate truth, why do you refer to Him as God?
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@Dr.Franklin
Oh, he's still there instantly attacking any theist who dares post.Glad your back, HArikisrish and anon is the only one at DDO
In his heart of hearts,he knows he's soon be stuck there again.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I've known him for more than 6 years. He doesn't learn, and he doesn't grow. He's posted this exact "joke" several times in the last 6 years.Now it is clear from the theme of your recent threads that you are either trying to be funny or you are trying to be a dick.
He sees himself as a knight on a white steed tilting at the windmill of Christianity.
Though he thinks he funny, he isn't really trying to be funny, he's going for hurtful.
When Dart first started, I told him to control his compulsion to post silliness. He didn't listen, and got banned after one bender of 26 threads in one day! He's been banned from most moderated sites.
After staying away for a year, swearing he'd never come back and fuming that the mods here are Nazis who want to tell him what to post, he's back.
But he is the same obsessed, compulsive, bitter little man he has always been. In a way, I'm sorry about his future because he really can't control his compulsion. But what can the mods do?
He has to post more and more to get the attention he craves, and he has to be more and more caustic to over come reader fatigue with his mono-topic silly posts.
It's like watching a crash where the car has already broken through the guide rails and is sailing over the ravine. The end is predictable.
And everyone watching is wondering, "what is the driver thinking right now?"
In Salixes case, he's thinking, "That'll teach those traffic cops!!"
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@ronjs
All other leaders of religions are dead in their graves, Christ is risen.
And lives to reign forevermore!
You tell'em Ron.
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@Salixes
Sort of like you and your droning, uni-topic, "God bad" spam threads.All the passenger would talk about was mechanics and nothing else.
Huh, wouldn't you know it eh?
Yeah, we would.
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@TwoMan
None of that is reasonable reason to intake. But freedom, right?
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@Alec
Everything I say on DART, it's what I actually believe at that time.
Ok. Nice to know.
In terms of invading Africa, I'm not alone in terms of my desire to do that.
A million people joining you makes it no less loony.
Yeah, I could have guessed that. It is still a startlingly loony idea.Bmdrocks21 also agrees with me on invading Africa.
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@Stephen
Repeating a debunked post is silly homer.
Or are you like hindu hari who thinks the last to post wins the argument?
You are a bigot. Nothing you can post about God changes that.
All the questions in my post you dodged still remain there calling you a fake and a fraud. You can't win by spam, or by being obstinate.
You will have to use your brain. If you have one.
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where do you get you get your stats from?
Of course, the liar "forgot" that question.
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@Salixes
2 zero reply threads so far. Even I didn't think your mono-topic lame threads would get old so quickly.
Lol. Do you feel another compulsive fit coming on?
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Of course.Oh, I see. So, by the same token, one may say that heterosexual behavioris by choice, or else it is a crime.
And, if not,...
And if not what? If not by the same token? If not heterosexual behavior? If not by choice? Tell us equivocator. If not what?
then one can be assumed to be homophobic and bigoted
You always assume that of Christians anyway you bigoted hypocrite.
Unless you are engaging in sexual behavior with yourself, it needs to be by choice of all parties involved, or else it's a crime. Sexual assault.
Sheep are exempt.
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Hold the horses. There may be movement on the Palestinian front.
The Palestinian leaders rejected the Trump plan, but they don't represent the Palestinian people. The people are pissed.
Now there is a growing movement to unseat their useless leaders and change their course.
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@Alec
I think this idea of yours is as loony as your invade Africa idea.
Every time I think you're being tongue in cheek, you say something that makes it seem as if you actually believe these loony ideas. Really?
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@ronjs
You are under the mistaken impression that Sal cares about accuracy.Never been to any church that tells people when to use their genitals, or incited hatred toward anyone...
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No one can see attraction. It has to do with behavior. And adults control their behavior. Homosexual behavior is by choice, or else it is a crime.
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