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@BrutalTruth
You seem to be wholly unaware that what goes on between your ears is not reality.
All you've done is to tell me what you personally think of your own position. No surprise that you have a ridiculously self serving opinion of your beliefs.
What are you on dude?
Conservatives tend not to need things to alter their sobriety.
Recreational drugs are a leftist/liberal thing.
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@EtrnlVw
He just posted to me on DDO. Yes, he had learned nothing.
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@Tejretics
Ghandi was assinated by someone just like him. An Indian equivalent of antifa.
No, Gandhi was assassinated by a far-right extremist. The polar opposite of Antifa.
India is not the US. Ghandi was killed by a fanatic who wanted to "shout him down" using violence and intimidation. That is the definition of antifa.
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@3RU7AL
Self defense is "protecting your family".
Only sometimes.
Self defense must always include "self" and for most people that also includes "family".
Only sometimes.
Are you suggesting that "self defense" means something else?
Only sometimes.
Please explain.
Sometimes self defense means something other than family, like country.
So? Did you ask me or ask the US Military? You asked about a specific event.
I'm asking if your justification of this particular event is capricious or based on some identifiable principle.
And I told you. Self defense. Please buy a clue.
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@3RU7AL
Self defense. Japan attacked America first.
Self defense is "protecting your family".
Only sometimes.
Not to mention that the US military has killed plenty of people who did not "attack first".
So? Did you ask me or ask the US Military? You asked about a specific event. Your thinking is disjointed.
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If fireboming japanese cities is a good thing then there would be no need to wait for a war to do it.
What if it is the condition of war that makes it moral?
Aren't you the one who says there is no such thing as objective morality? Please stop this dishonest way of debating. So is killing 100,000 people objectively immoral or not?
If your argument encapsulates arguments on either side, how can that be honest?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
100% of abortions end in death. apples and grapefruit.
Very good point.
And I hate grapefruit.
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@3RU7AL
Self defense. Japan attacked America first.If you are not basing your judgement on protecting your family, then what principle do you base this on?
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@3RU7AL
You would be wrong.
I would not sacrifice a city for my family. They are all Christian.
Do you believe that a terrorist firebombing 100,000 civilians is "good"?
No, but America doing it in 1945 was not bad.
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@3RU7AL
Look, If you want the government or some other charitable organization to take these embryos and raise them to term,
Where is your personal responsibility now? Why can't the skanks keep their legs closed if they don't want babies? But your argument always starts AFTER the irresponsibility. If they lived like human beings, instead of like rutting wilderbeests, they wouldn't have the problem.
MAKE IT HAPPEN.
When we try to, idiot liberals claim we are violating the woman's privacy.
Based on political affiliations, churches everywhere should be offering FREE CHILDCARE AND ADOPTION.
Silly. There are hundreds of religions and hundreds of beliefs.
Look, You can argue all day and all night about what rights an embryo should have.But that entire ontological discussion is a RED HERRING.
Especially since only you think it's ontological.
Your only concern should be about what happens AFTER THE CORD IS CUT.
No sir. Because what happens before the cord is cut determines whether there will be a cord to cut at all.
You can't claim that "all life is precious" and then turn a blind eye every time a (real live) child (or adult) is in danger.
Please stop being stupid. No one can address every real live child or adult that is in danger.
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@3RU7AL
I don't believe for a second that anyone, theist or atheist, thinks that flying a plane into a building is "good".
I don't believe for a second that anyone, theist or atheist, thinks that firebombing 100,000 civilians in Tokyo is "good"
I did.
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In 2004 I was a theist and would continue to be one for at least another half a decade and I knew precious little about Richard Dawkins.
I'm not omniscient homer, it was rhetorical.
(Not that it matters but I am a far bigger advocate of Mat Dilihunty's philosophy).
No one cares Sec.
I'm talking with theists on the religion board because I'm a theist.
So you are here to experience an echo chamber in which the only participants already agree?
No, that is only how a militant anti-theist would spin it.
That isn't very realistic
I'll say. Anti-theist aren't known for their realistic outlook. The delusion is strong with this one.
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Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do.
- Ann Colture
(Notice, no Islamic terrorists here spouting religious hate.)
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@secularmerlin
I have no evidence for or against any god(s) in the same way I have no evidence for it against any ghosts or Bigfoot or flying teapots.
Yet you don't spend hours on the ghost website debating ghost lovers.
My only claim is that we do not have any sufficient evidence and in the absence of evidence the reasonable thing to do is to withhold belief.
You've told me your belief a thousand times. I just told you to stop telling us you're going to "withhold" your belief and you repeat the same thing again. No one cares what you withhold Sec.
I'm talking with theists on the religion board because I'm a theist.You are welcome to your beliefs but if you don't care about convincing people of them what are you doing on a debate sight?
You're here to tell us how you're going to withhold your belief if we don't pass your test. You think your belief is what we crave. That is why you, an anti-theist, comes to a religion board to repeat over and over that you're "afraid" you're going to have to "withhold" your belief.
If theist wanted your belief as badly as you imagine, we would have found you as you were being brainwashed on that Dawkins website in 2004.
Give it a rest. Sorry, but that ridiculously overblown idea you have of yourself and your thinking prowess is just that. Overblown.
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At least I'm not quoting comedians
Your loss.
If it was, you wouldn't be quoting comedians.
"In the history of the nation, there has never been a political party so ridiculous as today's Democrats. It's as if all the brain-damaged people in America got together and formed a voting bloc."
- Ann Colture
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@secularmerlin
We turn away astrophysicists in order to make room for illiterate Afghan peasants who will drop out of high school to man coffee carts until deciding to engage in jihad against us.
-Ann Colture
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@secularmerlin
There is no restriction on quotes, and this is an Ethan thread. At least I'm not quoting comedians.Quotes ethang5 quotes
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@keithprosser
It's debatable if 'quantum teleportation' has much to do with 'star trek teleportation'. To quote wikipedia,
Yeah, and since I didn't mention star trek, the only one to "debate" it would be you.
"Although the name is inspired by the teleportation commonly used in fiction, quantum teleportation is limited to the transfer of information rather than matter itself.
You say this not understanding the full scope of the potential behind it. Yes, today we can only teleport information, but that isn't fully true. After we collapse diamond A here, the B diamond sharing the entanglement "becomes" A. That is a type of teleportation.
That is why Schrödinger's cat is neither dead or alive till it is observed.
Quantum teleportation is not a form of transportation, but of communication: it provides a way of transporting a qubit from one location to another without having to move a physical particle along with it."
That is because you have convinced yourself that a skim of a pop science website is an education. Today, scientists have only been able to entangle particles (and recently, a few homogenous particles) but the principle theoretically should work with larger, more complex blocks of matter.
If scientists could entangle the particles of your body with other particles, the other particles should "become you" upon the observation of the original you. It isn't you being teleported, but all the data that makes the particles you. We are not there yet, but it is a theoretical fact.
The interesting question is, if we duplicated a human being exactly down to the particle level, would that duplicate be you? If yes, then consciousness is just a function of the matter making up your body. If no, then consciousness is the function of something other than just matter.
I would say that if 'soul' in the religious sense exists it would not be picked up by a teleporters scanners, so not transcribed into data and not reconstituted at the end - that is assuming teleporters operate on anything like the principles of engineering we understand today.
Exactly. We would be able to test the belief of the materialist.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
The America morons who want America flooded with illiterate idiots are about to wet their pants with joy about 7,000 backward lowlifes storming the border. A liberals wet dream.
We need to be careful that one of these morons don't fire on the migrants just to make it seem like the soldiers did. I know they would love to have migrants die if it could be blamed on Trump.
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When antifa needed demonstrators, the sweet girl didn't go, and people cheered her level headedness.
When the far right patriots needed demonstrators, the sweet girl didn't go, and people cheered her tolerance.
When the feminazis, and bigots, and xenophobes needed demonstrators, the sweet girl didn't go, and people cheered her good sense.
When Martin Luther King needed needed demonstrators, the sweet girl didn't go.
Some people claimed to have been surprised.
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@secularmerlin
Can you demonstrate this majesty and grace or are you merely asserting it? Understand that in the absence of evidence I have no choice but to reject your claim.
You keep talking as if the goal of the theist is your acceptance of his claim, and that your rejection is feared and of highest import.
This is why you don't answer questions but behave on the board as if you are evaluating theists who have brought their beliefs to you for validation.
Everyone is here debating. No one will be shattered if you reject a claim. No one is afraid of your rejection. Just argue your point and stop telling us how you will have "no choice" but to reject claims.
You aren't nearly as bright or as important as you think you are.
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Then it was capitalism no?Your question is fallacious. Slaves were considered 'capital'.
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Teleportation has been already been demonstrated in real life through quantum entanglement. So far only information has been teleported using elementary particles, but scientists believe the principle can be used for teleportation of larger and more complex bodies as technology advances.
Such phenomena were the subject of a 1935 paper by Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and Nathan Rosen,[1] and several papers by Erwin Schrödinger shortly thereafter,[2][3] describing what came to be known as the EPR paradox.
Entanglement is considered fundamental to quantum mechanics, even though it wasn't recognized in the beginning. Quantum entanglement has been demonstrated experimentally with photons,[13][14][15][16]neutrinos,[17] electrons,[18][19] molecules as large as buckyballs,[20][21] and even small diamonds.[22][23] The utilization of entanglement in communication and computation is a very active area of research.
But the question remains. Would a human soul teleport?
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Much of the left's hate speech bears greater similarity to a psychological disorder than to standard political discourse. The hatred is blinding, producing logical contradictions* that would be impossible to sustain were it not for the central element faith plays in the left's new religion.
-Ann Colture
*Properly treated, sex is the most potent force for male monogamy ever conceived
*Properly handled, water is the most potent force for incineration ever conceived
*Properly read, Mein Kamfp is the most potent force for tolerance ever conceived
No intelligence can stand up to a good dose of anti-theism.
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@Greyparrot
Ghandi was assinated by someone just like him. An Indian equivalent of antifa.
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@triangle.128k
Changes like what? Doctrinal or church structure?- An increase in the Catholic Church's power over western nations, as well as internal changes to the Church itself
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@Tejretics
Yes, really. I prefer challenges.
You're replying to Plisken, not me.
Are you Hindu or Muslim?
I'm an atheist.
I love how you're too scared to debate me.
Lol. Most people love the things they make up. But I've been debating you, and beating you, right here.
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The high court will of course strike down the temp injunction of this liberal activist court.
The idiot can break the law, and still we have to honor his asylum request? Then what is the border for?
This idiot judge was appointed by Barack Hussein Obama.
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@secularmerlin
Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.-Isaac Asimov
Yet the bible has managed to change billions of atheists into Christians, and has inserted religion into literature, art, and culture of every country on Earth, and was still relevant enough for comment 2,000 years later.
This goes to show how anti-theism can corrupt an otherwise intelligent man.
But his caveàt is "read properly", which apparently means, " interpreted stupidly ignoring history".
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@Tejretics
Yes, really. I prefer challenges.
Are you Hindu or Muslim?
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@Greyparrot
Liberals have a preternatural gift for striking a position on the side of treason.
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Democrats couldn't care less if people in Indiana hate them. But if Europeans curl their lips, liberals can't look at themselves in the mirror.
- Ann Coulter
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The use or abuse of Christianity in contradiction to the very message of the gospel reveals not the gospel for what it is, but the heart of man. That is why atheism is so bankrupt as a view of life, for it miserably fails to deal with the human condition as it really is. ~ Ravi Zacharias
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A little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion. ~Francis Bacon
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@Tejretics
Globalism, and anything which isn't globalism is protectionism
Indeed. Hardly a far-left position,
Lol. Not to you. Pygmies don't think mimi-me is short. Not only is globalism far-left, its opposite is not protectionism.
Indeed, most support for free trade in 2012 and earlier in the US was from Republicans.
Free trade is not globalism, its capitalism.
Also, nothing to do with "political correctness,"
It is one of the 8 pillars of political correctness.
Your definition of PC is like a bigots definition of bigotry.
Can you point out where I said I wanted "open borders"
You did not have to say it. Your irrational desire for immigrants, even illegal ones, scream it.
I said I leaned toward being in favor of unskilled immigration as well
Why? Why is immigration worth the deaths of your citizens?
I didn't use the word "xenophobia" in a single place. Maybe have evidence the next time you claim another person has a certain political opinion
Please don't get all emotional on me. I did not say you said it, but it is well known that liberals see only open borders or xenophobia. No other position is possible in their black and white worldview.
I have no clue what you mean by "the worst immigrants"....
For America, that would be Muslims.
I'm Indian and I think nationalism is generally bad,
Of course you do. You are PC and don't even know it.
in the US and in India. However, I didn't say that either, so not sure where you're getting that from.
You may think your liberalism is hard to see, but it isn't. You're bright pink.
.....climate change regulation
Way to hit every leftist talking point. It's like you just graduated from PC school.
Where did I say I have a "distaste" for capitalism? What do you think capitalism means?
If you love globalism, think nationalism is bad, and want to flood the country with needy illiterates, you cannot like capitalism.
I'm happy to debate you on drug liberalization or for-profit prisons.
To what end?
You can defend my position being "disproportionate" and "idiotic" then.
All I'd have to do is show it to be the liberal/ progressive position. I'd rather have something challenging.
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@Tejretics
Strait down the line politically correct progressive liberal position.
Not sure what anything I said has to do with "political correctness."
Of course you aren't.
*Globalism, and anything which globalism protectionism
*Irrationally wants open borders, and anything short of open borders is xenophobia
*Irrationally wants country flooded with the worst immigrants, any opposition is islamophobia
*Nationalism is good except in the case of Americans
*Wants bigger and bigger government.
*Distaste for capitalism when it comes to government
*Being really -- disproportionately, and idiotically, -- weak on crime.
As I said, strait down the line politically correct progressive liberal position.
No logic, all emotion.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
and?A baby outside the body is making financial and attention demands etc, so what.
It's just silly what they do. They pick some arbitrary difference, "the baby is smaller", or " the baby is dependant on the mother", or "the baby has fewer cells", and that is supposed to make the baby not a person.
They know the argument for abortion is bogus. They should just come out and say the truth. "This is what we want to do. Morality be damned."
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@Tejretics
Strait down the line politically correct progressive liberal position.
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@Ramshutu
As I said, I don't care. It isn't like I was unaware there were people like you. That is why I addressed virt and not you. People like you will be caught by their own behavior.
you just have to look at the first link......he didn’t like a vote I made.
And surprise, I'm conservative / theist. Who wodda think it?
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Your search - weedaleedalee - did not match any documents.
Suggestions:
Suggestions:
- Make sure that all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
- Stop being snarky.
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I'm bummed because bully missed it.
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@Raltar
Oh my heavens that was mic drop good!
I'm guessing he will come back with (A)
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@Stronn
Untrue.
Answer this. A baby is born, cord still attached to the mother, but is not breathing. The doctor comes to lift the child and spank it so that it starts breathing. The mother tells the doctor, "no". I don't want to be spanked. The doctor says, if we don't spank the baby, it will die. It needs to start breathing. The mother says, it is a part of me, it cannot live independently, it is not a unique person. Please don't violate my personal privacy.
The baby dies. Has the mother committed a crime? If yes, what crime? If no, why not?
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@Ramshutu
You either don't know what a conservative or theistic position is, or you're a petty liar. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and call it ignorance OK?
You must have been thinking, no one would actually check the links. Dude, I don't care to convince you that you're a ringer. Your links above show that you did not take the conservative or theistic position at all. An I'm not the only one who noticed it. And your links above prove it.
I’ve voted liberal/theist in these:....I have taken the conservative or theist side....
Yeah, we'll just say it's ignorance.
(Can the class say "slickster play slick with words"?)
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How do you know?
Research.
Lol. OK slick.
And again you can't say.
Your incredulity isn't an argument, I have no need to address it.
OK slick.
Fights who?
Wrong question.
Sorry, you haven't given me a list of acceptable questions yet. But you did say the govt fights. Did you forget?
As their citizens oppose it?
Have you ever heard the term "fighting" or "voting" against one's own best interest?
Can you smell the "big govt good" stench? Govt is working for our best interests and we don't know it.
How do you know this?
One again, your incredulity is not an argument, I have no need to address it.
OK slick
No illegality by ICE was mentioned.
Did I say ICE was doing something illegal?
Yes. Let me refresh you slick.
...selective enforcement when it comes to ICE raids.
ICE literally cuts deals with certain ag suppliers to take only a percentage of their labor force on any given raid.
Again, how can a worldview that requires you to lie be satisfying to you?
I am afraid you will have to be content with the simple notion that "Some one knows more than you" or "some one has researched more than you" or "some one pays attention closer than you".
As long as we can see, and we can see, that that person isn't you.
As you have now reached your usual place where you edit posts and pretend retardation, telling me questions are "incredulity", I will leave you till you become rational again.
Be sure to send me a list of the questions I should ask you. Lol.
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@Greyparrot
It's everyone with common sense.
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@3RU7AL
(IFF) human a soul sparks into being at the very moment of conception
(THEN) every miscarriage is very likely a murder/manslaughter/child abuse case.
Illogical. A human adult whom I'm sure you would agree is fully deserving all rights, can die with there being no crime. Why would a miscarriage be automatically a crime?
(AND) every miscarriage should be reported and investigated to the fullest extent of the law.
Just as every death is now. So what?
Ok, so when you said that it was more realistic to try and save the lives of every human that has already been born, and less realistic to try and save the lives of every embryo that has yet to be born,
Please show where I said this. You abortion people always get so emotional. I have no clue why you think I said this.
...and you refused to explain why you decided to choose the latter rather than the former,
I don't have to explain anything to you, especially things I didn't say. I'm sure you have your pro-life caricature in your mind, but please debate me and not him.
Confirms my point. Relatively few are due to rape.
32,000 a year is few?
Relative to all births, yes. Making laws on exceptions is silly. You talk as if most births are due to rape. The aren't.
EVERYONE believes in "personal responsibility"
You don't. You think the floozy who voluntarily spread her legs should escape the responsibility of birth. You want the scuzzy drug addict to escape the responsibility of addiction. And you want others to pay for it.
Are you denying that INNOCENT people die every day from preventable conditions and causes?
No homer, I'm saying it is not possible to help all of them.
I merely suggested that current law is not prepared to address every miscarriage.
Why not?
Finally!! A perfect solution.....
Now that you're through yelling, maybe you can answer the question you dodged. Is it sensible to base personhood on technology? Start yelling again and the question will just wait till you're honest again.
Some conjoined twins are not separate and cannot survive apart.
Good point.
That is why you are losing. Arguments are not paintings, they are knives. Tools. Address the point.
Rights are not given based on genetic percentage.
Good point. So why were you talking about genetics?
Because you said the baby is not human, AND, it is part of the mother. That is a contradiction. If the baby is part of the mother, it would share her DNA. It doesn't. And if the baby was not human, it would not have human DNA. It does. Your argument is illogical.
So is your understanding of genetics.
Clearly, not every organ or tumor or migrated cells within a single person that is genetically distinct from the majority of cells is considered "a different person".
You have no clue what you're talking about. The only example you gave was of a baby. That was my point remember? Tumors are not genetically different. And "migrated cells" are pseudoscience nonsense.
And yet you have no problem standing by and doing nothing when people are fleeing a war zone.
Stop being silly. I cannot save everyone. So I take care of my citizens first. I do not bring people into my country who will harm my people or my country.
Those people have countries. Let them build it the way Americans built their country. American money is for Americans. Conservatives are not evil because they don't follow your broken morality. They don't have to. Your morality is not the standard.
What a person does with their body (and what they discuss with their physician) is a matter of privacy,....
What a people do with their country (and what they discuss with their politicians) is a matter of privacy,....
Think.
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@FaustianJustice
Still waiting for your exposition.
As are not the readers who got a whiff of the stink of liberalism wafting from your lame argument.
Some one is paying under the table.
How do you know?
^ is that where you exposed something?
Don't worry. We'll take you word for it.
I think its your ignorance, not a hole in my point.
I sure am ignorant about how you know someone is paying under the table. Your point is lacking a point.
Perdue and Tyson pretty much have established their own bank to settle up with illegals on pay day.
Cities have many more people than banks.
Surely, that is where something was exposed. Oh, wait, no, its something irrelevant.
Sanctuary cities. Your bias was exposed, keep thinking it isn't relevant.
ICE literally cuts deals with certain ag suppliers to take only a percentage of their labor force on any given raid.
How do you know this?
Not a typo, folks. Just asked it twice on his quest to expose something.
And again you can't say. Something is being exposed alright. How in the world can you be satisfied with a worldview that requires you to lie?
So, the majority of citizens who want illegal immigration stopped, don't like low food prices? But the omnibenevolent government is fighting to keep them fed? Against the evil banks and evil ICE?
Yes, the government fights to keep people fed.
Fights who? As their citizens oppose it? Perhaps you should start using you brain now. You do have one right?
Ag is subsidized a huge amount, on top of selective enforcement when it comes to ICE raids.
How do you know this? (I know you have no idea, I just like asking you and then seeing you lie.)
RE Evil banks, if you are referring to Perdue and Tyson, those companies that I mentioned as being "evil banks", I am confident indeed you have exposed something, inability to follow context being a portion of it.
You seem to fear "exposure" a lot. Could you be lying?
A casual search on your end of "ICE raid" followed up with Perdue or Tyson should bring you up to a level you might be capable of continuing the discussion at.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/20/us/tyson-foods-indicted-in-plan-to-smuggle-illegal-workers.html start here if you want a spring board.
No illegality by ICE was mentioned. To keep to your PC liberal dogma, you've dodged and played obtuse. Instead of answering the simple questions, "How do you know?" You dodged and pretended retardation.
Your simplistic "capitalism bad" PC dogma will not fly here. You and your antifa hoards will not "occupy" Dart. You will have to tell us how you know the charges you make, or they will get dismissed as the unsupported trash they are.
Some one is giving people motivation to come here.
Yeah. Liberals.
See? I didn't have to ask you how you know this. We all know its liberals. No need for you to pretend. Relieved?
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