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@SkepticalOne
Nonsense. We had immigration for decades without fear of terrorist incidents. How many times did a Japanese burst into a nightclub shooting people? How many times has a Dutchman attacked the police with a knife? How many Icelandic terrorists have rammed a car into a crowd?How can you be sure you're not importing criminals and terrorists if you're not willing to stop immigration altogether? The truth is you can't. Either this hasn't occurred to you, you aren't willing to accept it, or you're hiding your true position.
And all of a sudden we can't be be sure we're not importing criminals and terrorists unless we stop immigration altogether? What changed?
I take it you realize your standard eliminates more than you thought.
And so what? No immigrant has a right to enter America. So what if Abdul is denied entry? So what? My standard eliminates moron terrorists. How is that a disadvantage?
Unless you hold some loony idea like immigrants have a right of entry or that America owes them entry, what is the disadvantage?
Merit based immigration and strict controls over areas of concern.
That's probably the best we could hope for.
And that is precisely what the liberals reject. You do not want strict controls, and you think every non-american has merit simply by wanting to come here. (See ACLU lawsuit)
You are the one hiding your true position. You want open borders, federal assistance given to all immigrants, no ICE, no border controls, heck, you don't even want theoretical borders. You too think a few terrorists is worth the liberal salve of having Akmed and his extended family here.
Hopefully, the country is not too far gone, and we can stop this insanity before we cross the line of no return. That's probably the best we could hope for.
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@Castin
They differed in many other ways but unlettered atheists misconstrue it. For example, "An eye for an eye" was meant to limit retribution to proportional repayment, not to insist that an eye must be taken at a eye lost, as atheist like to frame it.I wasn't aware the Hebrews significantly differed from their neighbors in this way.
Or when the Israelites would take the women from defeated cities as a mercy because leaving them meant certain death, but the smut brain atheist sees only rape and war booty. But kill everyone and he has problems too. Assimilating the foreign women into the tribe by marriage is seen as proof by the geniuses of sexual intent instead of a good way to address the problem of cultural differences.
God calls the Jews a "peculiar people". And they are.
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@FaustianJustice
No sir. The reason is that idiot liberals keep shipping in busloads of terrorists who then either kill citizens...
Is both irrelevant to your original suggestion, and assumes truth despite being demonstrably false.
Yeah. And you the other liberal apologists will keep spouting that line even as women are raped and people are killed.
2nd and 3rd gen are far more likely to be violent than real Americans
Fully explains why the prison system is full of 'real Americans' rather than a proportionate number of 2nd or 3rd gens, I suppose.
The prisons are, it just doesn't fit your narrative so your fake news media don't touch it. Oh, and the idiots tend to kill themselves after so prison is tough sell.
If I listed for you all the non-right wing killers, one thread page would not be enough. So ease up with the fake listing.
'Fake' listing? Sorry sir, you may dismiss, you may hide, you may run, and you may deride, but in the end, it still leaves you 'wrong'.
No sir. If there were more than 500 terrorist incidents in 2017, listing 6 out of that 500 by right wing extremists as "evidence" of right wing extremism is exactly the kind of obtuse stupidity countries all over the world are rejecting. I am right, but you, just like the German and Dutch police, cannot say so, because your PC stupidity won't let you "offend" any minority.
It started here:
It has nothing to do with God being driven out of society. Nothing at all.
Well, do you think it does? Or will you dodge that one too?
You end here:
There is no reason to import 3rd world killers into the country, and certainly not in such numbers.
I already know you think a few hundred dead Americans is worth getting Abdul here.
Do you care to return to your topic?
Never left it. I know it makes you uncomfortable to have your PC nonsense exposed to sunlight, but that IS the topic slick. You can run if you want, but you can't change the topic.
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@SkepticalOne
What cultures are acceptable in your opinion, it is it more an opinion of what cultures are not acceptable?
Ones where women are not cattle and body parts are not lopped off for blasphemy.
So, places like Saudi Arabia (one of our allies) is unacceptable?
Are you trying to be obtuse, or are you doing it by accident?
What is an acceptable number from your view?
100
Funny.
Now, tell us why its funny.
How would you like to screen them beyond what we already do?
I would like to remove the terrorists before importing them.
That doesn't answer the question.
It doesn't matter jeb, as I am not the one who will screen them. When the authorized, duly elected, competent officials tried to screen them, you idiots went apoplectic.
Even with the death and carnage, you dolts still will not admit that your liberal way doesn't work. Yo just keep bringing them into the country by the ton. No wonder so many people think liberals hate America and want it to collapse.
I even had one brain dead idiot tell me that immigration was worth the death of American citizens. How is that not true if you keep shipping in terrorists after the incidents?
See the wave of nationalism sweeping the world? Philippines, Brazil, Italy, USA, Hungary, Russia, Israel, Tanzania, Poland, Holland, Brexit, the list goes on, it's cause by you idiots and your idiot liberal policies. People are sick and tired of PC stupidity.
I really want to know how you think that can be acheived.
No you don't. Because you liberal idiots think only your way is right, and being obtuse doesn't suit you. If we don't import any criminals, or terrorists into the country, they can't mow down our citizens. How is that difficult to comprehend?
"Oh", the liberal will weep, "That's funny. We have to let in more than a hundred."
Why?
How would have America been worse if the morons who did 9/11 had been refused entry? Immigrant rights?
Pffffftt.
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@Outplayz
Well, it has been growing.
It is biological, but humans are able to override their natural instinct.
The peer pressure to be PC is a powerful thing.
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@Outplayz
Not me, that's for sure. But with pop media treating it like its a virtue, the number who can "handle" it will only grow.wonder how many in the public can handle tranny porn lol
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@Goldtop
@3RU7AL
Look Goldy,
The moron is doing your, "tell it to the tree" shtick. And he's going "ho hum". Lol. That is funny.
I wonder if he'll repeat it for as long as you did yours? Shall we try the idiot?
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@Goldtop
Anyone who claims to have been trained to deal with internet morons is seriously fucked up.
I have to be Goldy.
Look at you, so bitter you don't mind repeatedly making yourself a blazing fool on the board. You follow me around, even from another website, spewing venom and idiocy. Trying to mulit-report me to get me banned, and then giddily bragging about it when you thought you had successfully manipulated bsh1.
The trolls I deal with are messed up. Surely you don't think you are mentally healthy?
Without my training, you wouldn't be racked with bitterness or acting like a fool in public. It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it. Can't let you morons run wild now can we?
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@3RU7AL
What? AI is a term of endearment?
You losers only see the "ad hom" directed at you, never the ones you throw. When you grow a backbone, let us know.
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@SkepticalOne
Can we not have immigration without importing people with cultures alien to western civilization?
What cultures are acceptable in your opinion, it is it more an opinion of what cultures are not acceptable?
Ones where women are not cattle and body parts are not lopped off for blasphemy.
Why do we have to import so many?
What is an acceptable number from your view?
100
Why should we not screen them?
How would you like to screen them beyond what we already do?
I would like to remove the terrorists before importing them. My President wanted to, but idiot liberals and their idiot judges delayed the process. Thank God for the supreme court.
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@Goldtop
And yet, unlike you, I don't follow people around carrying my bitterness like a cross and making public my stupidity.Wow, you have some serious issues there, pal.
Talk about serious issues.
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@3RU7AL
Must be why you are, like a coward, taking a shot a me, but directing your post to my tossee. You don't want me scoring points.The thing is simply grasping at straws because it scores points when you reply to it.
I decline his challenge, so I'm grasping at straws. That makes sense to your liberal brain huh? Bitterness looks good on you.
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@MagicAintReal
With this guy though, he attacked first and I'm all about self-defense.
I provided evidence and logic and he's just dismissed it all.
Dismissing what the moron calls "evidence and logic" is viewed as an "attack". Ah, PC liberals. "If you don't accept what I say, you are attacking me!"
...but yeah that makes me less angry about him.
Why are you angry? We could tell from your childish attempts at insult. But I'm not angry. You're being tossed.
I fucking hate that guy/AI.
I seem like AI to you because I'm more mature, and did not get rankled at your vulgarity or juvenile insults.
So now we're in idiot town.
You reside in idiot town. But I am the troll whisperer. I was trained to deal with internet morons like you. You can't anger me, you can't outlast me, you can't out think me.
You will get tossed like the idiot you are. Stupidity and name calling will not help you or bother me. I will just expose your stupidity as you post it. When your shame catches up with your stupidity, you will wake up.
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@Goldtop
It would be. Which is why it isn't worth it. Where is the glory in beating a retard?If I was so stupid, a debate with me would be a cake walk for you,
Plus, my time has value, you are just too stupid to waste it on you in a debate. Your every idiot post proves my point.
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@SkepticalOne
Why is everything either-or to liberals? Can we not have immigration without importing people with cultures alien to western civilization?How do you see America avoiding these things? Closing the borders and isolating ourselves from the world?
Can we not give entry to descent people while keeping morons and terrorists out? Why do we have to import so many? Why should we not screen them? How can liberals not see these simple, common sense things?
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Lol. I questioned that anyone with a graduate degree would write like a 15 year old with bad grammar.Later you even mention that I have a graduate degree negating one of those erroneous claims about me.
Though I have a tattoo....
Noooooo! Really?
I'm actually not a troll...
Get outta town!
I'm a well-known teacher and researcher in a thriving school district in Maryland....
Sure you are slick.
You are a gigantic coward pussy, because you will not respond to the evidence yet assert childishly that it isn't evidence.
I won't respond because there is no evidence for abiogenesis, and from you not knowing this means you're too stupid to debate. And your posts have confirmed it. Thus you get tossed, cause that is how to treat moron trolls.
Just like ethang5 here.
Lol. You're so predictable it's like being in high school again. You have a graduate degree and your students read your debates? Only the uneducated, not knowing what it is, think that they can fake an education.
I bet you think you're original. Lol. You're a dime a dozen internet immature moron. Pull out More 3rd grade taunts. It's all you have.
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@MagicAintReal
Sounds like you still don't get the concept. But growing up malnourished in a trailer park can do that to a young brain.
Third grade taunts bounce off me. No matter how stupid you get, I can and will toss you. You will learn.
Nope.
Oh yes. You may be too dumb to know it, but you are getting tossed sherlock.
You couldn't toss me if I let you lift me up...
Lol. Don't look at the ground.
Pussy is not used in third grade, it's used by adults who can clearly see when someone is a coward,
It's used by emotionally stunted trailer park adult trash who left school in the 3rd grade.
a scared person, a little bitch, a pussy bitch, a hide-behind-the-internet-so-there's-no-argument-accountability bitch pussy, and of course, an obviously inferior human,
Ever notice its always the tattooed, missing tooth, hillbillies who will call others inferior? Why are bigots always the most stupid in s society?
These are all adult concepts used by adults who see idiots run their mouth knowing they will not be held accountable because of the vale of the internet.
Oh yeah. You'd still be a moron troll if you weren't anonymous. Lol, do your tuff guy troll thing again.
You suck sir, you suck the most among the masses of those who suck.
This is the grammar of a person with a graduate degree. Lol.
I would guess you to be about 15 years old emotionally. Tossing someone that immature won't even be a challenge. But I'll enjoy it!
Come on Mr. Graduate. Tell us again how your gutter mouth means you're an adult.
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@Stephen
That is why the loon did not mention the verse number,
Mark 3:21
Thank you, though I had to shame you into citing the verse you were quoting.
Now, tell us, what crazy thing did Jesus do to make them think He was crazy? Can you say loony?
I asked you that. You haven't answered. WHY?
No you didn't loony. You just post a verse 40 times and claim that some people thought Jesus was crazy. I cited the verse and then showed that Jesus went into a house. Highlighting your idiocy.
What was Jesus doing? The loony will never tell you, so I will OK? Here is why Jesus' friends (and the loon) thought He was crazy....
Mar 3:19 - .....and they went into an house.
Mar 3:20 - And the multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread.
Mar 3:21 - And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.
That's it. Jesus went into a house and was pinned in by a crowd. That is why our local loon is foaming at the mouth.
So are you now saying that Mary was not Jesus’ Mother?
Mary was not mentioned in Mark 3. That is why you had to post another part of Mark, again with no Verse number, to lie. Mary did not think Jesus was crazy. It's just more of your fakery.
Are you YET again trying to rewrite the scriptures?
I don't have to with you faking verses. I told you that verses are numbered, it is highly stupid to try to fake them.
Mark 3.21 - "When his FAMILY heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
Mark 3. 34 - he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers!
You tried to join verse 21 to verse 34 so it would look like Mary was there. You got caught. That is why you again didn't post the verse numbers. You lied. Only idiots lie loony.
Come, lie again so I can bust you.
Jesus went into a house, so He's crazy!!!!
Lol. What a moron.
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@FaustianJustice
No sir. The reason is that idiot liberals keep shipping in busloads of terrorists who then either kill citizens, radicalize them into terrorists, or anger them into extreme opposition.And that reason solely lay with them, and their personal outlooks and feelings, then trying to square it up with in many cases, a sense of right wing authoritarian resolve.
2nd and 3rd gen are far more likely to be violent than real Americans. Right wing killers do not justify other types. And if we have right wing already killing citizens, that is even more reason not to import in even more killers.
If I listed for you all the non-right wing killers, one thread page would not be enough. So ease up with the fake listing.
The fact is inescapable. There is no reason to import 3rd world killers into the country, and certainly not in such numbers. The blood is squarely on the hands of the morons who think several hundred civilian deaths are worth the wonderfulness of having Aikmed molest our young women in America.
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@Stephen
When Jesus' family heard what he was doing,....
What was Jesus doing? The loony will never tell you, so I will OK? Here is why Jesus' friends (and the loon) thought He was crazy....
Mar 3:19 - .....and they went into an house.
Mar 3:20 - And the multitude cometh together again, so that they could not so much as eat bread.
Mar 3:21 - And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.
That's it. Jesus went into a house and was pinned in by a crowd. That is why our local loon is foaming at the mouth.
they thought he was crazy and went to get him under control.Yes they did think he was crazy as verse above attest to and had to take control of him, because they were there, they were related to Jesus and they would know a family member a lot better than you.
So tell us, what crazy thing did Jesus do to make them think He was crazy? Can you say loony?
I ask you again, who are you to contradict the Virgin Mary who is held blessed among all women the Holy Mother of God Jesus?
I'll tell you again, I am not catholic, and the verse does not mention Mary. Stop lying.
Now, I will tell you why. Because you're a troll idiot and you need to know.
Jesus was the worlds first superstar. The bible tells us that everywhere He went, He was thronged by crowds. His friends knew that going into a house, and letting it be known He was there was dangerous. They had heard Jesus accuse the authorities of trying to kill Him. If He became trapped in a house, it would be easy for the Pharisees to come get Him under the pretext of "rescuing" Him.
They thought Jesus was crazy for letting it be known that he was inside a certain house, and allowing the crowd to surround Him inside. So they went quickly to "rescue" Him before the authorities could.
Now, the idiot is going to say, "The verses don't say that!" Forgetting they don't say Mary was there either, but our loon is a cherry-picker so inconsistency doesn't bother Him.
That is why the loon did not mention the verse number, he didn't want us reading the verse telling us what Jesus had done. But we have read it, and once again, we see that he is being an idiot.
Ah, the bible; pawning atheist idiots since the 1st century BC.
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@disgusted
I used what the loon himself supplied. But thanks for admitting the verse supports my claim my "idiotic" claim that they only thought He was beside Himself.
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@MagicAintReal
Sounds like you still don't get the concept. But growing up malnourished in a trailer park can do that to a young brain.
Third grade taunts bounce off me. No matter how stupid you get, I can and will toss you. You will learn.
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@FaustianJustice
Theist does not preclude liberal.
Generally, no,....
Never. Theist never precludes liberals.
I did not say they were liberal.
What you say is irrelevant.
While your mind reading skills may be impressive, I prefer you to address what I say, not what you think. Otherwise, debate yourself. If what I say is irrelevant, your "reply" is also.
What they say is not necessarily truth.
By what context?
Any.
It dealt with why they were troubled and why that trouble should result in mass murder.
To which you then blamed 'liberals', as though ISIS shooting up a gay nightclub might some how be justified.
Who brought the nice Isis moron here? Liberals did. You told me shipping immigrants here was worth the deaths we would get from the Isis swine among them. Don't tell me you've changed your mind?
So you will block any conservative solution, all the while wailing at the people dying.
Which solution was that, exactly?
The common sense one. If you do not ship terrorists here by the busload, it's difficult for them to kill your innocent citizens dancing in a nightclub.
Who imported them? Didn't you tell me the immigration was worth the deaths? Yet here you are, overflowing with crocodile tears.
I lament the fact that some one whom should not have owned a gun was given a pass to own one.
You should also lament the fact that some one whom should not have been here in the first place was given a pass to be here.
I have no need to address an issue you just thumbed your nose at, and brought no real substance too, "judging a majority by the actions of a minority" is bad policy, end of.
Of course not, you've already told me the deaths are worth it. There's nothing for you to address. Prepare to send your condolences to the next one, and make tired statements about guns.
All you know to do is lay flowers and condemn guns. And stupidly wait for the next massacre while you condemn conservatives.
You are clearly not up to date on my stance toward "Gun Control".
Clearly I'm not Hillery. But the 2nd is still law, so I'll be fine.
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@Goldtop
When you stop being stupid, I will consider it. Till then, my time is too valuable to waste on a bitter troll.
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@Outplayz
Thanks for that honest and candid answer. I think your position would be pretty common in the general population.
It would have been interesting if you had also told us what you thought is bigotry. You said, "You can be repulsed and not be a bigot." But when is it bigotry? What would a person do that you would deem him a bigot in this situation?
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@RationalMadman
That is an oblique threat, which CoC says is not allowed.
And you're not a mod. Impersonating a mod is also a CoC violation. But as I'm not a mod, I don't care.
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@keithprosser
Oh, that Abraham was the father of Isaac and God asked him to offer his son as a sacrifice but then stopped him before he could kill the boy who became the ancestor of Jesus and all Christians.What did the writer of the Abraham/Isaac story want to put across to his readers?
Lol. Atheism really does make you guys silly. What did the writer of the Abraham/Isaac story want to put across to his readers? The
Abraham/Isaac story I would guess. D'uh.
But that is too much like right to you anti-theists. So you must ignore what the writer says and "focus" on your supplied reason of why he wrote what he did. Clumsy.
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For someone who "doesn't like speculating", you speculate more than any other person on the religion forum about things you categorically tell us you do not believe.
For a loon, he's got you dead to rights Keith. You speak out both sides of your mouth. You do this deliberately and knowingly. And he isn't the first person to have noticed this about you.
(Honesty requires me to admit here that you have been better)
Of course, part of his anger is that you tell him his argument is nonsense when it is. But then you turn right around and offer a nonsense argument of your own.
I guess he wants you using his nonsense exclusively.
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@Castin
So are the Christian views. Consider Abraham's answer to Isaac when asked about what would be offered. "God will provide an offering."Concerning #4: The Jewish views on the subject are interesting.
Abraham could have said, "God has provided an offering."
This wasn't a test as God already knew whether Abraham would pass or not. God said "offer" your son, and Abraham did offer him. That done, God could stop him from killing Isaac as what was asked for had been supplied.
Too many people, not knowing scripture, assume God was asking for the death of Isaac. They elevate their agendas over the text.
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@DebateArt.com
We are moving up. To see it, you have to make the correct search. If Dart moves up 50 thousand entries out of 3 million, it still won't make the 4th page.Those are the most basic things, I have everything in place, I even have markup to make it easier for the search engines. I believe there are only two things that stop us from going higher in the search results, it's either that we don't have a mobile version or that we just need to wait more time, 3 months is not that much after all.
Searches for specific members, like, "SecularMerlin" for example, are beginning to show Dart as the top entry. As activity increases, our rank will increase.
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@Mharman
You'll know for sure shortly.I should be a little bit cautious, I guess.
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@BrutalTruth
Good for you, but you will gain the disdain of the atheists here. Good luck with that.I will not be seen as a delusional hypocrite by theists.
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@Plisken
Bitches hear dogwhistles for no apparent reason.
I hear you.
Proverbs 28. 1 - The wicked run when no one is chasing them, but an honest person is as brave as a lion.
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@Castin
Homo!!...but I'd have to say my favorite part was when "true love" turned out to be sisterly love instead of romantic love.
Jk
Yeah, that was refreshing. I didn't see that coming, and movies hardly ever surprise me.
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@Stephen
Contemporary English VersionWhen Jesus' family heard what he was doing, they thought he was crazy
Who are you to contradict his BIRTH MOTHER!!!
Lol. Take your med retard. You're foaming at the mouth.
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@Castin
What the fu.....!!!??!?
Oh wait. UNpopular opinions. Right.
I loved the snow monster, he was funny, but the snowman character Olaf was one of the most endearing characters I have ever had the pleasure to know in any film, real or animated.
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@MagicAintReal
You're not getting the concept genius.
If you're scoring yourself, give yourself the points. Why be timid in your stupidity? Surely you can do...
MagicAintReal - 500
Ethang5 - 0
Try it. I'm sure you're smart enough to score 500.
Lol. What a moron.
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Yet only you chase people around, your ugly posts being ignored with the convo flowing around them like they were stones in a river.
This is the first time I've addressed you in days. You have in that time, sent me more than 50 turds in at least 10 threads. You are a petty, angry, troll. You are following me. Everyone can see it. You were that way at DDO, and you have repeated you sad history here.
Even your fellow atheists call you a troll. You go around, the only idiot telling people they will die, never noticing you are the only one obsessed with death. Your fear shows. That's why you're the only one chicken littling about death.
I can take you. Which is why I haven't reported you. You are just a yapping poodle. Your posts are easily ignored. Most people ignored them now anyway. You have no choice but to keep following and yapping. You will get more and more stupid as you try to get attention from a board that increasingly ignores you.
Until the man in the black van will have no choice, and like it was on DDO, you will get banned. So keep yapping. Placing you back on ignore now.
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@Plisken
I explained fully when I answered the question to the one who asked.Which aspect of the answer was entertained equivocally with "moral judgement"?
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@Plisken
I think that is a reasonable position.
But.....
...views dominate to the point where they couldn't effectively communicate with you, then we can talk about bigotry as there is proof of intolerance since you couldn't honestly consider the idea.
Why does a person need to "communicate" to be deemed not a bigot? Why does he have to "consider an idea" to be deemed not a bigot?
Each of you have inadvertantly done the same thing, judge a person a bigot simply for not listening and agreeing. No one is under any obligation to consider any idea. It is his behavior that counts.
Keith say he doesn't believe in thought crimes, but what crime has a person committed who has only conflated his morality with his disgust?
Every time I ask about a person who is only repulsed, they talk about bigots. As is the mere repulsion is bigotry. When pressed, you all say, "repulsion of an act is not bigotry." But then go right ahead and talk about the person who is repulsed as a bigot.
repulsion to sex with that which you aren't sexually attracted, is not religious/moral conviction
But it can be.
Secondly, there are lots of bad ideas that people need to tolerate.
Why is homosexuality one of them? Why does homosexuality need to be "tolerated"? And what does "tolerate" mean? Must a person with a moral objection to homosexuality "tolerate" it?
If yes, why? Why must a person with a moral objection "tolerate" what he views as immorality? The homosexual does not tolerate in the least the views of those he thinks are immoral.
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@disgusted
Yes, but I will have lived too. Your angry, bitter, pettiness chasing people around with vitriol is not a life. You will die too, angry, unhappy, and alone, having never lived.You're gonna die doofus.
A troll dies a thousand times and never lives once.
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@Goldtop
And your posts prove you are too stupid to waste time debating.
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@FaustianJustice
No. No it isn't.Is it really pizza without cheese?
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