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@Swagnarok
Do you know bully? That was amazingly accurate.There is an increasing number of men who spend their entire adult lives holed up in their rooms. They spend all their time on the internet, sitting constantly, growing fat, never finding a mate (and increasingly unsuited for a mate), never accomplishing a dang thing, living in dark, filthy, cramped conditions. That does not sound like living to me.
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@Goldtop
If the mass of Earth should increase, the orbit would remain the same right?
Tell us again genius.
(This is great.)
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@Goldtop
Thanks troll.
Here's a fiver. We want a table dance this time. Your stupidity is sexy.
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@bsh1
What is bigotry?
Bigotry is intolerant and single-minded devotion to one's own arbitrary ideological prejudices, disgust-responses, or irrational beliefs.
Surely you can see the difference?
Sure I can, but what if I was a racist who believed that black skin was repulsive, and so discriminated against blacks?
You've added in, "and so discriminated against" them. I only asked about the disgust.
The point of my example was to illustrate that disgust is itself not a criterion by which to judge moral questions like the worth of persons or the moral permissibility of certain kinds of sexual acts.
OK, but I specified that it was moral issues informing his views on permissibility of certain kinds of sexual acts. I said nothing about the worth of persons. You keep adding things like human worth and permissibility.
The permissibility of sex in the person's view may have nothing to do with how disgusting he finds it. I asked about a person who has a moral objection the homosexuality. Though you did not call him a bigot, you described a bigot. Just as Keith did.
I was responding to the question (also the title of this thread) you posed first, namely: "is repulsion at the homosexual act bigotry?" Nowhere in that question, or in any of the questions of the OP, do you mention a "moral" objection.
OK.
My answer to that first question is "no," because one can be repulsed by something, but still not allow their views of it to be defined in terms of their repulsion.
OK
A person repulsed by heterosexual sex could still come to believe that heterosexual sex is perfectly okay to engage in and that heterosexual people are of equal worth to him/her.
I don't see the connection between repulsion and considering people to be of equal worth, but OK.
In such a case, the persons disgust is not allowed to dictate the way they conceive of heterosexual sex.
Why should it not? Why is it bad if it does?
A moral objection to gay sex, to answer your new question, is not bigotry per se,
Thank you.
unless it is rooted in disgust (thereby conflating disgust with moral reasons/justifications), arbitrary ideological prejudices, or irrational beliefs.
How would a person ever know whether the disgust is being conflated with moral reasons/justifications, arbitrary ideological prejudices, or irrational beliefs?
I suspect that anyone concluding that homosexuality is morally wrong will be judged by you as conflating morality with prejudices and irrational beliefs.
But you have answered well.
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@Goldtop
Here's another dollar pretty woman. Show us more of your stupidity.
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@Stephen
You stupidly think the Bible is saying Jesus was crazy.
That is because it actually states the they all thought he was mad
They thought, jasper. They thought.
What gave the people and his own family reason to believe that?
Idiots like you claiming He was crazy.
Nothing in the bible needs to be played down,
But you have admitted that anything negative about Jesus would have been left out and " not noted". .
I did not "admit that", you're just too stupid to understand. If the verse is so bad that you'd post it more than 30 times, why would it be in the bible? You must be looking at it wrong. And lo! You are.
This is what you have wrote at post 100 page 4 above >>>
ethang5 wrote : If it was as bad as you think, the bible would not have noted it.
So then, because it is there, it isn't as bad as you think. See the off/ on button beside your brain? Switch it to on.
The gospel writers tell us there was nothing bad about Jesus.
Lets see where it states that then and I will believe you.
No you won't liar. You will just cherry pick and refuse to accept those verses. But read the first chapter of John.
Until then I can say with confidence that knowhere do these scriptures state any such thing, you liar!
You've learned to hedge with, "until then". Lol. Good.
Stephen wrote: All of those DIFFERENT gospels do not even mention the words "MAY BE".
Ethang5 replied: They don't have to homer. Peoples thoughts are not necessarily true. "they thought he was crazy". So what?
Then why do you say they do say " may be"?
Poor reading comprehension. I did not say they said, I said they thought He might be crazy. And that is true, that is what they thought. You stupidly think what they thought must have been true.
yes and these people - his mother and brothers - were actually there weren't they? Surely they would know the state of this madman's mind much better than you. Why should I not believe these witnesses.
You're too stupid to not believe them. Go ahead and believe it. That way I get to keep tossing you as a loon. That's fun.
Get over yourself fool, you don't read your scriptures and the bits you have read you don't understand.
OK. But you're still the idiot thinking "they thought" means, ."it was so".
And Jesus is still loved and worshipped the world over, and you're still just a loony wingnut on the net parading your stupidity.
That must make you angry huh?
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@Goldtop
You cling to your stupidity like a prostitute to a dollar bill.
No mas. We're convinced.
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@Mharman
That's great. I happen to like trolls. Have you met Goldy and bully?
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Only in your dreams was I banned for a week. You tried by submitting continuous reports, and you failed. Have you given up reporting?
From what I saw, you had a come to Jesus meeting with bsh1 and you saw the light. Too bad he couldn't make you smart.
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Only in your dreams was I banned for a week. You tried by submitting continuous reports, and you failed. Have you given up reporting?
From what I saw, you had a come to Jesus meeting with bsh1 and you saw the light. Too bad he couldn't make you smart.
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@secularmerlin
Yes! And they no longer care. It's futile.
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The scary thing about the Thing was what it did to the group when they could not tell if the alien was one of them. The scene where the blood jumps away from the heated wire remains one of the scariest in all of movie history.
We never knew what the things natural state was, or what it's motive was. Made it mysterious, and therefore more scary. Alien was scary no doubt, but once you saw it, what was scary was the death it would inflict, not the monster itself.
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@secularmerlin
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@keithprosser
Ethan doesn't play obtuse.
You mean it's for real?
Lol, Ethan doesn't equivocate with articles either.
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@keithprosser
Having a moral objection does not make anyone a bigot,
OK. But it was misleading since you only spoke of bigots when asked about a moral objection.
bigots generally have (or claim to have) a moral objection.
As long as you realize your judgment call on them being bigots is just that.
My answer was specfic to homosexuality
So was the question.
I would ask him to be tolerant of homosexuality
Then you would be asking him to be tolerant of what he views as immorality.
I would ask him to introspect to see where his objection to homosexuality comes from and if it is rational and justified.
He could ask the same thing of your tolerance of homosexuality. And with your vested interest of being gay, your tolerance to homosexuality may come from self interest and not be rational and justified.
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@keithprosser
True. Thank God for that, or else we could be surprised to find ourselves falling into the sun after enough asteroid hits.You are not wrong, but the earth weighs 5.972 × 10^24 kg. It would require transferring an awful lot of stuff to make a noticeable diffference.
Many tons of material are added to the earth every year due ot meteorites.Again true. And many tons of material are lost from the earth every year due the atmosphere bleeding off. Nice balancing no?
If there is a lot of easily accessible gold on Mars then gold would lose its rarity value.
Not necessarily. If it was tremendously expensive to transport back to earth, gold might even increase in value. And gold being so heavy, that might well be the case.
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With one of your first posts here being, "heh, heh, you mom gay", excuse me if I don't find this to be a august occasion.
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The critter in the original "The Thing".
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@SkepticalOne
Your attempt to hide behind humor implies you are one of those individuals who are fearful.
I'm fearful.....
You point loses much impact if you're fearful too.
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@zedvictor4
I was brought up to be open minded....
I personally think that people who are always thinking and worrying about other peoples sexual behaviour are somewhat perverse and therefore any criticism that they might proffer is always going to be somewhat bigoted.
This, Gentle Readers, is open mindedness.
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An immediate swath of mass shooters can be negated from being liberal in so much as they swore allegiance/acted on behalf of theocratic interests.
Theist does not preclude liberal.
I did not say they were liberal.
What they say is not necessarily truth.
With precious few exception, nearly every mass shooter was known to be a troubled individual,
My post did not disagree they were troubled. It dealt with why they were troubled and why that trouble should result in mass murder.
We taught them to kill, and preferably not have a conscience about it,
America has had a military for 200 years. Like a liberal, you will refuse to examine anything that doesn't already conform to your PC dogma. So you will block any conservative solution, all the while wailing at the people dying.
...those that we did import,
Who imported them? Didn't you tell me the immigration was worth the deaths? Yet here you are, overflowing with crocodile tears.
We will keep having these killings till we become serious. Just as the killer posted. All you know to do is lay flowers and condemn guns. And stupidly wait for the next massacre while you condemn conservatives.
Bah.
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I don't think you're wounded at all.
I am glad you worked that out for yourself.
Of course. We know you're lying because we see that you've posted.
Your not much good at anything else especially understanding your own scriptures.
But unlike you, I can read.
If it was as bad as you think, the bible would not have noted it.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE LEFT IT OUT THEN?
No, it isn't what you think. You just stupidly think that if the bible mentions what a person thought, that thing was true. Of course, you will dismiss all the good thoughts people had about Jesus, and lock on to the negative thoughts like a wino on a bottle of rotgut. But we know you, so no surprise.
So you are admitting then the these gospel writers would and do hide things that they deem to be embarrassing and go against the general belief of Jesus and his nature
No jasper. The gospel writers tell us there was nothing bad about Jesus. You, being an idiot, think other people's thoughts describe Him, but only the negative thoughts. For some reason, you will never post the many verses where people thought He was, God, the Savior, the Messiah, or From God. Could that be because you're a little soft in the head?
it's just people saying they thought Jesus may be beside Himself.
Stop trying to play this down AND STOP TELLING LIES.
Nothing in the bible needs to be played down, and nothing I've said is a lie. That is all it is. That you stupidly think its something else is funny. Basically you've posted the same Verse more than 30 times. Because, as I've said, your rush comes from posting. You aren't here for debate or dialogue. You're just a moron spray painter thinking his graffiti means something.
All of those DIFFERENT gospels do not even mention the words "MAY BE".
They don't have to homer. Peoples thoughts are not necessarily true. "they thought he was crazy". So what?
So stop trying to rewrite the scriptures.
I am the one posting scripture. You stupidly think the Bible is saying Jesus was crazy. But that only makes people think you're crazy.
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@FaustianJustice
Me too! But for different reasons obviously. Why not eat pizza without cheese? Like with that soy cheese knock-off?I can really only enjoy pizza if I am going to be alone
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@Outplayz
Hey king playz,
Death is precious... i'll always side with death.
I tried to find in your post where you contradicted me and could not find an instance. Nice post.
You were always a straight shooter.
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OK then. What is bigotry? When is it bigotry?I think repulsion often drives bigotry, but I do not think it is itself bigotry.
Consider that I am repulsed by vaginas--they just look gross.
Surely you can see the difference? Your repulsion goes against your biological anatomy. You have structures and systems made for vaginas. But that in itself is not a crime.
That said, I can still believe that women deserve equal regard to men and that heterosexual sex is entirely morally permissible because I refuse to allow that disgust to shape my views to the exclusion of other, moral considerations.
But all you've done here is say you are right because.....you're right. You assume "disgust" is what is shaping the person's view. The permissibility of sex in the person's view may have nothing to do with how disgusting he finds it. I asked about a person who has a moral objection the homosexuality. Though you did not call him a bigot, you described a bigot. Just as Keith did.
It is obvious that what makes a person a bigot to you includes that he does not agree that sex is morally permissible between homosexuals. And the public, taking its cue from homosexuals, will instantly become rude and abusive at any disagreement, not caring for the reason for the disagreement.
Observe mharman above. How could his position possibly be right if that is his opening post? Do you think he cares about my morality or what shapes my view? He can't even distinguish that I have been only asking questions, and of a hypothetical person. Where do you think he gets that? Your post bsh1, is just an expanded, more educated version of his. But essentially the same. Making the same assumptions based on the same biases.
For some people, it is not disgust but morality that shapes their view of homosexuality. And some such people are even sometimes homosexual themselves. But if you begin with the definition of bigot being, "whoever disagrees with me", one can see why you see bigots under every rock, and why those " bigots" oppose you so passionately.
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@Greyparrot
Who is the worst "orange man bad" member here? Ebuc or Ramshutu?
Ramshutu. Ebuc's elevator doesn't go all the way to the top.
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Why you ask? Isn't it obvious?
That you're stupid? Yes.
Those re your words from the OP, which can only be true if you're watching men having sex with each other.
You said it was obvious, and in fact it is!
So, I asked you if that is indeed what you're doing in order to be repulsed?
You didn't have to. It was already obvious that you're an idiot. But you like to hammer home a point eh?
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So basically the same things everyone here says about you.
O dear. I am so, so wounded by the thought of "everyone" here is thinking I am as mad and insane as the gospels say Jesus was.
Why would you be wounded? You're loopy. You don't know you're a few beers shy of a six pack. I don't think you're wounded at all. You're just going on your merry crazy way.
JUST LOOK AT ALL THE BIBLES
If it was as bad as you think, the bible would not have noted it. No matter how many times you post it, it's just people saying they thought Jesus may be beside Himself.
Yet, 2,000 years later and Jesus is still worshipped. Still imitated. Still studied. Still revered. Still respected. Still hated by dolts like you.
Now you. No one is going to remember you 5 years from now. You will forever be thought of as a loopy kook. Still be considered a loon with mental problems.
That makes you mad doesn't it? Post your verses again and do the loony laugh, that might make you feel better. Won't change you being known as a retard, but you'll feel good.
Be careful, I think bully has copyrighted the loony laugh, though he calls it the donkey bray.
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Lol. OK.Once again, Kepler was not talking about falling bodies in his formula, but I know you have clue about that.
I provided Kepler's formula
Which shows that if the mass of Earth should increase, the orbit would remain the same right?
Its wonderful that you will be so publicly stupid willingly. Ah, militancy and ignorance, mixed in with crippling bitterness, what fun.
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Ethan doesn't play obtuse. You are free to be an idiot, but you will have to be so alone.
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@Goldtop
So, why are you watching homosexuals having sex?
Because you're stupid? Because you're an idiot? I gave up. Why?
Are you watching porn or something?
Wait. Is homosexual sex different from porn? Right now I'm watching you make a moron troll post. So I guess its "or something".
It you're repulsed, why do you keep watching?
Because you're stupid? Because you're an idiot? I gave up. Why?
(Just call me the troll whisperer)
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But if you are right people will agree with you.
No, this is what you fail to understand because of your broken moral system. If they agree with me, they will agree with me. It has nothing to do with being right. Truth is not what people agree on.
I don't care for a popularity contest. Your worldview is irrational. I can show this using logic. (So can PGA2.0) So a vote is not relevant.There's no one I know who would say I was consistent if they really thought I wasn't.
Especially since it isn't a crime for you to be illogical.
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@Goldtop
You're too stupid to waste time debating you. Thanks for the laugh.
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@Goldtop
Oops. Got another idiot who doesn't know what general relativity says. Shall we toss him?Those are all objective observations, someone else in another location will observe the same stars, planets etc. Cleetus.
Tell us troll. What is an objective observation?
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Its talking about a falling body pulled by gravity.
No. it's not talking about a falling body, Cleetus. You really have no clue.
All falling bodies are being pulled by gravity doofus. Lol.
It was always about orbital balance
You keep using terms that aren't there,
Aren't where? Are you reading from a script?
Better give it up, you're just making yourself more the fool
You just don't know about the balance in orbiting bodies between gravity pulling them inward, and centrifugal force, pushing them outward. Man, this is enjoyable!
I bet some people are thinking I'm paying you to look cluelessly stupid. I surely would if you weren't this stupid on your own.
"The orbit would remain intact." Lol!
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@Plisken
Glad we have come to an agreement on this issue....
I'm patient. I can wait till you wake.
as your previous statements undermined what one might initially have assumed to be a pro-life position,
As a liberal, you think the process between your ears is reality. Like facts, I don't care for your feelings. What you think is a "pro-life" position, is not so because you think it.
...and made it look like it's made up by a bunch of windbags.
To you maybe. Brace yourself for reality diverging from the gibberish between your ears.
How are people going wake up?
The only one I know sleeping is you. Don't worry. Reality will wake you as it does all PC liberals.
What is AdHoc?
Ethan doesn't play obtuse. You are free to be goofy, but you will have to be so alone.
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Ok, everyone, let's put our thoughts and prayers to work on this receding god problem!
Your attempt to hide behind humor implies you are one of those individuals who are fearful.
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@keithprosser
Yeah. Because you irrationally think human consensus is truth.I'm willing to throw it open for people to say if I am being inconsistent and/or irrational.
Thanks, but I don't need your approval. It is clear that your worldview is irrational.
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@keithprosser
Strawman.
The 9/11 terrorist have nothing to do with the lack of logic in your worldview.
You say the universe is impersonal and mindless. Then you credit to this mindless universe things like society and altruism. It is illogical.
Your worldview is illogical. It is your right of course to hold irrational beliefs, but it is also my right to point that out to you.
I fear you do not understand the meanings of 'inconsistent' and 'irrational'.
Lol. I bet you don't.
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Then let's take a closer look at what you actually said, shall we?
You said,
To me a bigot is intolerant and unreasonably resistant to hearing the other side.
So I ask,
...what about when the guy has a moral objection, are you asking him to be tolerant of immorality?
Bigots don't use their brains to overcome that primitive tribal instinct - they use their brains to rationalise and justify their hate.
You dodged my question too, but that's ok. Par for the course.
My answer was "Bigots don't use their brains to overcome that primitive tribal instinct - they use their brains to rationalise and justify their hate."
Check. People with moral judgements are bigots.
I said "Bigots don't use their brains to overcome that primitive tribal instinct."
At a question that asked, "what about when the guy has a moral objection? Your "answer" assumed that people with moral objections are bigots.
Which is why I correctly said: "You think people with moral judgements are bigots."
I asked about people with moral objections and you spoke about bigots, insisting that was your answer. Now, if you don't think people with moral objections are bigots, then your answer is pretty dishonest.
Don't worry, I won't press you on it. You'd just continue speaking out both sides of your mouth.
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@keithprosser
My answer was "Bigots don't use their brains to overcome that primitive tribal instinct - they use their brains to rationalise and justify their hate."
Check. People with moral judgements are bigots. Very progressive point of view.
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No more movie theaters. Movies on demand 24/7 to your smartphone which will have a foldable expandable screen .
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@Stronn
Laws prohibiting manual driving of cars, first in large cities: 50 years
You are so on target, you're going to be early.
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@keithprosser
what about when the guy has a moral objection, are you asking him to be tolerant of immorality? Are you tolerant of what you find offends your moral judgement?
I'd say we humans have a tendency to hate 'outsiders', people who are 'not like us'. Bigots don't use their brains to overcome that primitive tribal instinct - they use their brains to rationalise and justify their hate.
You seem to be saying that bigotry is a primitive tribal instinct. But then you say evolution has wired us to be altruistic. Seems contradictory.
You dodged my question too, but that's ok. Par for the course.
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@Wylted
This surely wins the unpopular opinions contest.^
My God, everything, and I do mean everything, is better with cheese.
Bacon, Coca Cola, and Cheese are the main proofs that a benevolent God exists.
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Yes, but you start out with your illogical assumption as true. That is circular.
PGA2.0 said,
Why does a mindless process build into itself instinct, and instinct to live? It just happens. No reason. Those who survive have instinct and those who do not survive lack the instinct. So what? How does that make anything good? Is it good to survive in a meaningless universe that does not care about you and won't when you serve your pointless, meaningless existence? You have already stated there is no wrong. Does that mean there is no good either?You are welcome to your beliefs but they don't make sense from a senseless universe, yet you continue to make and find sense in them? Why? It is all futile from a nihilist perspective. Nothing matters yet you continually make it matter. That is inconsistent.
It is inconsistent. You simply assume this. Against all reason. You are welcome to be irrational, but please don't pretend you aren't.
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