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@Stephen
So basically the same things everyone here says about you.
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@keithprosser
Seems reasonable.I can well imagine someone who is disgusted by the idea of gay sex but makes every effort to be tolerant; I would not call such a person a bigot.
To me a bigot is intolerant and unreasonably resistant to hearing the other side.OK, but why he has to listen to the other side escapes me. Especially when he finds it disgusting.
But what about when the guy has a moral objection, are you asking him to be tolerant of immorality? Are you tolerant of what you find offends your moral judgement?
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@Stephen
because you see the bible doesn’t actually state tha
Lie. The bible does state that Isaac was the son of the promise. That is how we know it.
It's in the text of the bible you didn't read. Issac was Abraham's only son inside the promise given by God. It helps you not to look like an idiot if you first read the passage you want yo oppose.
Stop making things up.
Stop being stupid and read the text. Its in there. How else would Castin know?
Because God couldn't give him another son?
I haven't said that.
If you know God could have given him another son, then your belief that the promise was impossible if Isaac died is stupidity.
I have said he had other sons. So Issac wasn't his ONLY son was he, you dunce.
Not the point genius. Isaac was the only son he had with Sarah, under the promise.
Because God could not raise the dead son back to life?
So where does it say, : "Abraham sacrifice your ONLY son and I will raise him from the burnt ashes once you have murdered him and set him of fire?
It doesn't have to say so for it to be possible for God Einstein.
You are so desperate to explain this crap away you are just making more crap up.
It's in the text Jed. You just didn't read it. Everyone here, theist or atheist, can at least understand the story, except you. You even deny points you've conceded. Nothing has been made up except your loony interpretation.
Because you're too stupid to figure simple stuff like that out?
I am not.
You certainly are. If God has the power to raise the son back to life, then the promise is not impossible with the death of Isaac. You're just too stupid to see this.
But Abraham was "too stupid" to work out that god would be going back on his promise to build a "great nation" from him if he was to kill his ONLY son.
See? You are too stupid to see it.
Who wasn't his ONLY son was he?
By Sarah and by the promise? Yes.
Get over yourself. This story is nonsense and you know it
The only nonsense here is from you.
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And he addressed that point. It is illogical to think that a meaningless universe based on chance would come up with moral judgements.
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@keithprosser
I still don't get it.
If I think a behavior is disgusting, am I not likely to be repulsed by people who voluntarily engage in that behavior?
I would give you examples except for the simpletons who will interpret them as, "are you comparing homosexuality to............!?!?
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@Castin
Doesn't explain why it resonates with me.
OK. But I think its the same reason for everyone. If the bible was just a book that could have been written by anyone and became popular only due to circumstances, the phenomenon would have been duplicated several times over the ages. But it never has been.
Certainly turn you, not likely turn you, as we see from the 3 holes that currently plague the religion board. Guess they lost the coin toss.That mentality would likely turn me into a hateful and contemptuous asshole,
it was tails -- frustratingly)
You could have gone for best out of three.
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Kepler was talking about the relation of mass to speed, not orbital balance.
The above forumula is talking about gravity in a two body problem,
Which is shat I tried to tell you genius. Its talking about a falling body pulled by gravity.
you were the one talking about orbital balance in post 12, Cleetus.
It was always about orbital balance Clem. You, in your militant ignorance, just didn't know it.
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@Plisken
Your concession is noted.
When you wake up, you'll be surprised.
Why would anyone advocate to treat a victim like a perp?
We've long stopped wondering why liberals act as loony as they do. Something about an attraction to death corrupts your mind.
What is adhoc?
Lol.
All citizens have a right to life and should be held to justice for the commission of a crime, including government employees.
Yeah, OK.
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Does reality matter to you? Our laws were not decided by mob.
Then drop this "we" stuff, and don't let others punish your own people with death.
You aren't making sense. But then, you're a liberal with no logical answer.
Please, letting you breathe is hardly a concession to siding with you.
Yes it is. You champion them. You have no similar care for the victim.
And you STILL have not addressed the point that this contends. You aren't even pro-life
I am. Not by the silly adhoc standard of liberals yes, but conservatives are. Pro life means we show that life is sacred and will not be violated. I know you think killing a mass murderer is a "violation", but you are a brain addled liberal. Eh.
You haven't demonstrated that justice does not matter because we expect from everyone not to risk life unnecessarily.
You do not expect from everyone not to risk life unnecessarily. You only expect that of law abiding people and law enforcement. Criminals and illegal immigrants get free reign from you.
You can't change the wrong nature of the death penalty....
The death penalty is correct and just. You can't change it into something else.
No matter how bad the deed, you still know your motives.
And you don't. And that is why we have courts.
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@keithprosser
There is a difference between saying 'gay sex is disgusting' and saying 'gay sex is disgusting to me'.
What's the difference? Wouldn't anyone assume the second at the first?
I'd guess most straight males are a bit queasy about gay sex, but not every straight male is a bigot.
Queasy at what? Would a bigot also be queasy?
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Riiiigggghhhtt, the mob decides that life is sacred unless it isn't.
Does reality matter to you? Our laws were not decided by mob.
Okay my judgemental friend, additionally you haven't addressed the fact that both a life sentence and the death penalty, which your country can afford, end up placing someone in custody of the state as a necessary evil until death
I am only addressing conservative positions. The silly state of our death penalty system is due to liberals. Death row is expensive only because bleeding heart liberals siding with the criminal make the system needlessly drawn out.
...and you want to take death into "our" hands because "life is sacred"....oh wait, that's not your position at all, because you think the sacredness of life gets a time out for your stupid penalty.
Conservatives believe justice matters, you don't. Go figure. You think the penalty is stupid, but you think so because your brain has been addled by PC nonsense. You go around treating life like a jihadist, and you will get the injection. Deal with it.
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@Plisken
Then we agree,
Um. I know you want my agreement, but you will have to earn it.
and logically you expect the same thing conservatives that don't support the death penalty do,
No sir. Justice calls for death.
No sir. It is for Justice because life is sacred. Not to you I know, but it is.except you choose death as a "penalty". The only reason the death sentence is warranted is for protection.
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I have no locality. I travel all over the country. Like all liberals, you think the people are stupid. Deplorables. You are the only one not tricked, right?In your locality it might very well be accepted so that people are tricked for voting party over interest, just as an example. It's not accepted as such in mine.
I don't buy your elitist claptrap.
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Death is not a higher penalty then subjectship until death.
Conservatives do not want slaves, they want justice.
I bet you are just cheap.
I don't bet.
If you aren't then you are still an advocate for subjectship till death.
You commit the crime, you pay the time. Spin it any way your liberal heart wants.
Also, you sound like a socialist or something with this "we" stuff.
What, conservatives are solitary?
It is the State's responsibility to protect the rights of everyone within it's borders, citizens or non.
This is an interesting statement considering your position on immigration.
Only if you are spinning. "Within it's borders", and protection is not citizenship.
I guess your solution to slavery is to simply deny that it exists.
It certainly isn't to flood my country with 3rd world wingnuts, or to bankrupt my citizens with tax dollars sent to terrorist banana republics.
Current estimated number of people working under forced labor in Ghana:
You go to the net to get liberal spin and bogus stats that the country needs to get PC money. I live here. I know them personally.
I don't care for PC buzz words.
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@Plisken
I don't mean to ignore political history but to me it just makes sense to have a common basis for "liberal".
In America, we do.
It's a fairly broad term that is certainly not synonymous with a political party.
I disagree. The word is accepted and understood in America. Democrats are liberals.
As a complication someone is making reference to "conservatives" when in fact there are conservative liberals and social liberals.
A conservative liberal is an oxymoron. It is obvious we are talking about political liberals and conservatives.
It may be possible to avoid the obvuscation caused for political interest.
The only obvuscation here is that you are attempting to introduce.
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Yeah, can you imagine the amount of real estate? But even if there was ground to stand on, the gravity would be sick.
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What? Is justice incompatable with advance nations? It is because we value life that we demand the highest penalty for violating it.Supporting the death penalty is definitely on the deathly side of things in an advanced nation.
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@Plisken
If you want to discuss liberalism I would recommend leaving the two party system in America out of it.
Why?
Also, you made a mistake on the death penalty.
We'll just take your word for it.
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@Goldtop
Just you. You haven't a clue, even after the hint. Kepler was talking about the relation of mass to speed, not orbital balance. But please go on.You mean, where Kepler was confused and Ethan is going to come along and educate us?
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I think murder anywhere is a moral evil. I am against it. And I certainly don't want to fund murder.
Wait, are you against killing, or just "murder".
I'm against both. Are you for one of them?
I think we may have found the problem. I'm not sure you can "murder" a zygote.
Slapping a name on a thing doesn't change it. Semantics will not excuse murder.
The opposite of life is death.
And death is liberalism.
You can't pretend the opposite of life is "murder".
I don't pretend. I don't have to. Liberalism is death.
If you are against death, then act like it.
That is why I'm not a liberal. I act like a conservative.
It is the state that guards the rights of the people within it. The baby has a right to life. The state has a responsibility to protect it.
You only become a citizen of the state when you are BORN.
It is the State's responsibility to protect the rights of everyone within it's borders, citizens or non.
The state protects citizens. If you have no birth certificate, you cannot be a citizen.
Nonsense. The state protects the rights of everyone within it's borders, citizens or non.
No one anywhere is free if anyone anywhere is enslaved. The murder of babies affects me. I am against the murder of innocent defenseless babies.
According to the 13th amendment, prisoners can be enslaved. Do conservatives want to fix that?
Strawman. Prisoners are criminals, so you as a liberal side with them. We don't. We worry about the victims of crime. We don't love death.
Also, about half of the chocolate in the world is produced by slaves.
I live in Ghana, a huge cocoa producer. That is a lie. And another strawman.
Also, most of the bananas grown in the world are produced by slaves.
Another liberal lie. I know those people, you are just spouting liberal buzz words.
Also, many of the consumer products exported from China are produced by slaves.
Another PC lie. And another strawman.
No. Do you?
At what point do you imagine a fertilized egg becomes a citizen of the state?
If you won't answer my questions, I don't have to answer your fake questions. I said the state is to protect everyone, citizens or non.
I would tell you that integrity would help you, but you're liberal, you don't value integrity.
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It made a huge impact. Honesty is generally underrated, but not by me.
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@3RU7AL
Why exactly are you personally concerned about whether or not a random woman decides to carry a pregnancy to term?
I think murder anywhere is a moral evil. I am against it. And I certainly don't want to fund murder.
How is this an issue for law enforcement?
It is the state that guards the rights of the people within it. The baby has a right to life. The state has a responsibility to protect it.
How does this affect your life?
No one anywhere is free if anyone anywhere is enslaved. The murder of babies affects me. I am against the murder of innocent defenseless babies.
Do you believe that every sperm is a baby?
No. Do you?
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Lol, you're losing it Jed. Don't get so worked up.
We know you're saying Jesus was not dead. We're saying you are an idiot for thinking so.
The bible contradicts you. And no one claims Jonah was dead, not even the bible. Stop arguing against what no one has claimed. It makes you look like a moron.
OK, now we've heard you. You think Jesus was not dead. We dismiss you as an idiot. The bible is true.
Anything else?
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@Stephen
You sound mad. In both senses of the word.I can't get mad....
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@MagicAintReal
Right. Showing us that you grew up gay in a seedy trailer-park will convince us that you have evidence for abiogenesis.
I fail to see the reference here.
Of course you don't. Vulgar speech is normal to you.
Because I'm asking you to specify which piece of evidence "isn't evidence"
And if none of it is, what will I specify? Do you know what "specify" means?
....I'm therefore from a trailer park?
Your gay upbringing and filthy language tells us that.
So you cannot explain to me WHY the evidence isn't evidence?
Or maybe you won't understand why when told if you don't already know why.
You can't mention quality, methodology, logic, anything?
Sure I can. But why would I to you?
I suspect you don't have any response and you're just, well, an intellectual pussy.
Typical trailer-park thinking. Eh.
So what specific piece of evidence is "not evidence?"
None of it is. English not your native language?
To be clear, your response to "What SPECIFIC piece of evidence is 'not evidence' and why?" was "none of it."
Yes. To be clear. Was that unclear?
If English were your native language, you'd be able to tell the difference between a question about general concepts and an open-ended question about specific components.
You cannot demand specificity when all of your offerings are the same; Not evidence. Specificity requires difference. And though you are a liberal under the delusion that I have to answer you, you will learn that you hold authority over no one, and that what you think of me is of no interest to me.
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@3RU7AL
This is the liberals only solution to everything. Increase funding. Here is what you're saying,IF YOU WANT TO STOP ABORTION, INCREASE FUNDING TO HELP SINGLE MOTHERS AND THEIR CHILDREN.
IF YOU WANT TO STOP ABORTION, BECOME LIBERALS.
No thank you. We've seen your "solution" in action. You bankrupt the nation spending other peoples money while turning young mothers into skanks and murderers, and whole neighborhoods into ghettos.
Conservatives have a better solution.
Conservatives go insane about the unborn zygotes, but don't give a sh*t about babies that are actually born.
Yet, virtually every hospital, school, and orphanage built around the world since 1600 was built by conservatives.
You are just telling us your bias, not facts. We want to stop abortion, not pay it lip service. We don't worship death or use other people's money.
Why is this even worth arguing over? Ever single major US city run by liberals in the past few years has become a theater of death. All of them. The facts are clear. The evidence is irrefutable.
Liberalism is death. It is the choice of death.
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@Goldtop
This is delicious, so I'll wait to see if anyone can point out to you why you're wrong. It will also give more time to be ignorant and militant and say things I can embarrass you with later.
Here is a hint. Orbiting bodies are actually falling, and we know that falling bodies all fall at the same rate regardless of mass. But an orbit is a balance achieved between gravity and centrifugal force.
Change the the mass (or speed) of the orbiting body and the balance is broken. Where you got confused was thinking that since more mass would not increase their speed, the orbit would remain intact.
Net mining is not a substitution for an education.
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Tell us all about how you aren't breathing the atmosphere again?
I said nothing about the atmosphere shemp. I said, unlike you, I'm not so ignorant to believe that the air is the same everywhere.
Apocalyptically horrendous air has descended upon India's sprawling capital territory, Delhi.
According to November 4 measurements taken by the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi, the Air Quality Index (AQI) hit 534. For perspective, the scale only goes up to 500, wherein levels are described as "Hazardous."
"534 is higher than your highest value -- which is insane," Anthony Wexler, the director of the Air Quality Research Center at the University of California, said in an interview.
...look the fool.
Lol, yeah.
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....if mass changes, their orbits remain intact.
Gentle readers, can any of you tell Einstein here why this is illogical?
What poor science knowledge, what militancy in that ignorance.
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Right. Showing us that you grew up gay in a seedy trailer-park will convince us that you have evidence for abiogenesis.Then you're an ill-informed intellectual pussy who claims there's no evidence and runs when given push back.
WHY isn't it evidence...If you don't already know why, you won't understand why when told. This requires an education, net mining is not a substitute for learning.
More specifically, what from the mountains of evidence you've ignored is not evidence?
None of it is. English not your native language?
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@Goldtop
I said nothing about the atmosphere.
Oh, so you wear a mask and breathe from a tank all day?
I'm not an idiot so I know the air is not the same everywhere. I still said nothing about the atmosphere.
Everyone on the planet shares the same atmosphere
I only need let your poor science knowledge simmer here for the Gentle Reader to marvel at.
I understand the effects of smoking, which is why I don't smoke,
Interesting then that you're here insulting the very one with that position. Hypocrite much?
You're so bitter, even when you agree, your bitterness forces you to be jerk troll. Lol. Your suffering tugs at my heart.
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@Mopac
Beautiful passage Mopac, I love reading that. All the more perfect when read against the fakery of Stephen. Thanks.
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Society needs to reclaim them somehow.
And society never will with liberals shooting down every moral value and stuffing the country with people of 3rd world morality.
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Conservatives have not made preventative medicine or health care in general a priority at all. We agree on this point.
Why should our priority be what you think it should be? We prioritize what is most important, not what liberals like. On the point of this thread, your position is death.
If conservatives cared about "life" they would make "life" a top priority.
That is why all their policies advance life, unlike liberals, who always side with death.
Conservatives are pro-suffering. We agree on this point.
No we don't. Conservative know that suffering is a natural part of life. Liberals think suffering should be solved by death. Because we won't kill a baby to relieve the psychological suffering of the mother does not make us pro suffering, it just makes you pro death.
If conservatives cared about "life", they would give refuge to people fleeing war zones.
Conservatives care about the life of their citizens, since no one can give refuge to everyone. Liberals want to give refuge to foreigners at the expense of their citizens because this advances death.
Conservatives know they are responsible for their citizens first, not the dregs of the world. Liberals will put every 3rd world half-wit before their citizens, right now in England, Somali half-wits are stabbing people like its a free for all. You will side with the Somali murderers, because that is what liberals do. Why are there Somali knife murderers in Northern England? Liberals say, " You're welcome."
Humans can live perfectly healthy lives without refined sugar. Humans will not die without refined sugar.
You said sugar moe. And sugar, refined or not, is not a drug. And whether it is a drug or not is immaterial to liberals being a death cult.
Literally millions of conservatives are addicted to prescription pain killers.
The work of your death cult. Conservatives are the people you most wish to kill.
You can't defend our military killing millions of people who have never declared war on our country and still pretend that you care about "life".
Hitler had not declared war on us when we declared war on him. Conservatives care enough about life to extinguish the life that will threaten death to others. Liberals would have welcomed Hitler, and in fact, did welcome him! Chamberlain ring a bell? Thank God for the conservative Churchill, or you might be speaking German today.
The Vietnamese people were not "knocking at our door", neither were the Iraqis, or the Afghans, or the Libyans.
Not since we beat the pants off them, and sent them back to the desert rat hole they crawled out from. But we know your cult of death loves them. Where was the knife wielding moron in Australia who was just shot, from? Tell us liberal.
When you pray to death, does it answer you?
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Thank you for confirming that Jesus, the founder of Christianity, had no denomination.
The only one dodging is you Cletus
Yes. He didn't fall for the rope-a-dope like you did. He thinks wikipedia proves that Christianity has denominations.
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All I keep seeing from you are excuses; you're kind of an intellectual pussy.
Must be why you're chasing me. Sorry, I'm not gay, though I should have known you were.
Specifically what from the evidence I sent you, which is numbered, isn't evidence?
None of it is. If anyone ever got real evidence for abiogenesis, it would be heralded by the leftist media as if it was the second coming of the Beatles. The simple existence of amino acids is not evidence that life spontaneously generates.
I said respond, not agree.
I responded. It isn't evidence.
You have yet to respond to the evidence, let alone agree with it.
It isn't evidence. Deal with it.
Don't you have learning to do?
Yes I do. And if you'd stop chasing me with this idiocy, I'd get back to it. I'll assume you have a life to get back to.
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Change the weight of these space bodies too much by transferring materials ( ie. like gold from Mars to Earth) and we could change the orbits of these bodies. In the case of Earth, that would be immediately catastrophic.
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@Castin
It has nothing to do with the current liberal attitude that life, and indeed nothing, is sacred, that morality is decided by personal tastes, that PERSONAL SOVEREIGNTY is paramount. It has nothing to do with our culture of immediate gratification, or our belief that we are entitled to whatever we want, and that every desire of ours is in fact a right.Why do high profile mass shootings seem to be becoming more frequent.
It has nothing to do with God being driven out of society. Nothing at all.
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I don't have low self esteem.
Right. You were banned 9 times for your great personality.
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And you have also failed to address the point of Isaac NOT being Abraham's only son
I did. Your poor reading comprehension has flommoxed you again. Its in the text of the bible you didn't read. Issac was Abraham's only son inside the promise given by God. It helps you not to look like an idiot if you first read the passage you want yo oppose.
Abraham couldn't world out for himself that there would be no nation coming from him if the order to murder his son was carried out.
Because God couldn't give him another son? Because God could not raise the dead son back to life? Because you're too stupid to figure simple stuff like that out?
Insulting people will not make you right. Your argument, as always, is built on militant ignorance and stupidity. The bible is not contradictory, you just lack common sense.
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Check Alabama, 1927 to 1935.Link to a case where "merely touching" a woman led to a rape conviction.
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Jesus was not a christian,....
NP one said He was. You were asked, what denomination was Jesus? The correct answer is, "Jesus had no denomination."
...he was a Jew if he ever existed.
He still had no denomination. Dodge it all you want, but there it stands, the founder of Christianity had no denomination, and the bible, the holy book of Christians, lists no denominations.
Which is why idiots have to use wiki.
These are Jews like Jesus was. Check it out.
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The universe is relative.
Interesting idea.
Most scientists who read Einstein's general theory of relativity think so. As do most physicists who prove Einstein correct in experiments.
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