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@ Stephen
written for an ancient audience and culture and society of the time.
Show me from the Bible, from all its separate books [66, I think] that it is written singly for an ancient audience? And you follow such a claim with "You are simply being disingenuous." Who is? English, my friend, happens to be my native tongue, and I measure the probable numbers of people on this site literate in Hebrew and Greek, and figure it would be a waste of time and space. Really? That's your argument?
for every verse that you choose to defend what is written in scripture, that I can almost guarantee you that there will be another verse from THE BIBLE that will and does often , contradict it and you.
You ask why I say "God is spirit" is not a correct interpretation? Read the rest of the post which fully explains it. Look, I did not invent all the various problems with translation that is the root of most of the problem of finding contradiction. It's there, I admit it, but, I've also said there is a means to resolve the problem by applying the faith necessary to study and pray about it; a simple solution you reject out of hand because you think it is just mumbo jumbo. That's on you and you alone. Argue for your limitations; they're yours. You have never, ever, and never will have a reasonable come-back against that reasoning. I can't prove it to you, but God can and will.
Until you get past that obstacle, there's no sense in answering any other questions, because they all are answered by the same means. You can take a horse to water, but he'll drink of his own volition. Or, be a horse's arse and blow it out.
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@zedvictor4
Technologically inspired understanding and knowledge of the universe and it's processes.
...which we see from a single perspective, so, given our vast technology, when we observe the universe expanding in all directions, assuming it will collapse likewise [and that is an assumption], how are we sure it is doing so at the same rate, given our singular "line-of-sight" perspective? And, do we know for certain what we consider the center-point of the Big Bang is really the universal center just as we once that that center was Earth? You must admit that the assumptions are piling up faster than we are acquring sure knowledge.
The arrogance of those assumptions are as great as those who produce "Ancient Aliens" assume that all our knowledge acquired is at the hands of the title characters...
...or is science going to admit that all we know is due to Almighty God? That'll be the day. Acquiring knowledge by our own sweat of the brow is part of that dominion over the Earth stuff we were given according to Genesis.
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Most on this site have the sense to challenge a debate….
Uh…
In the Debate section. Forum is an open season kind of place.
Well, to each their own, as anyone teaching punks a lesson have forgotten.
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@Bones
Legally, it actually does not matter. However, the government’s legal documents containing a person’s name will render all caps. Also, some non-govt legal documents will also do so, but peop lev can and have changed there given name in all lowercase, and it is legal to so so. The government will still render it in all caps, and that is legal, too.
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It's a deceptively simple concept. The whole idea of "God is spirit," which starts the ball rolling toward this kind of question, is, itself, misunderstood. It is said there are 20-some biblical verses proclaiming who God is, but, among them, there is only one verse specifically declaring God as a spirit: John 4: 24 "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
Well, the first three words tell us that God is a spirit, and everyone stops there, cherrypicking. They ignore the follow-up: "...those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." Does this mean in order to worship God properly, we must, ourselves, de-couple from our physical bodies to be only a spirit? Absurd.
So, Christ became flesh? Of course he did. We all did, too. Why? There's the second misunderstanding you cite: In order for Christ to understand human suffering. Nonsense. All-knowing God already understands it. We know from Genesis why all who have lived and died, or will live and die on Earth became mortal [i.e., obtain a physical bod]. Because that is the order of our progression: from spirit to physically embodied, to death and temporary separation of spirit and body, to resurrection of a perfect, physical body with the original spirit intact with it. To be as Christ is now, along with God the Father. They are both physical beings.
Hebrews 1: 3. "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." An exact representation? that would be the Son, even as a resurrected being, a representation of the Father. And so shall we be, after resurrection.
So, why? I mentioned Genesis. Chapters 2 & 3 tell the reason why: We must learn to recognize good and evil, and, hopefully, choose to be good, But, sin will tempt us all, and we will need a redeemer, Christ, to pay the price of sin such that we have the opportunity to repent of our sins and our choice to turn out hearts away from sin will be rewarded by Christ's forgiveness, the only means by which we will again enter the presence of God and Christ, in physical bodies as they have now. In fact, the entirety of Hebrews, all four chapters, detail the plan God has for us. So does Romans. Reading this stuff is enlightening. No cherrypicking allowed.
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@Double_R
For the same reason that a poundmetoo poster girl who accused Weinstein of rape said, by explanation, "He told me to take my clothes off, so I did."
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@zedvictor4
@Dr.Franklin
He should to into zed's abyss. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6478-a-short-hypothesis
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@zedvictor4
If all knowledge can be accumulated it must also accumulate the abyss and absorb even it, and not the other way around.
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@Intelligence_06
Some users may allegedly violate all kinds of English syntax by using all lowercase, but that's just English. Many other languages have no such regulation, and to impose English rules on those people on this site is a bit cheeky, don't you think?
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There are some on this site who believe the pfp name is a proper name, even though a legal fiction, and, therefore, must always be first-letter capitalized
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@Wylted
There's another side to that story, like the poundmetoo poster girl who said of Weinstein, "He told me to take my clothes off, so I did." Really?
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@Double_R
Trump claims he saved millions of lives from COVID by banning travel from China, then says it’s a hoax, it’s like the flu, never wears a mask or encourages social distancing, holds packed rally after rally in COVID hotspots = INCOHERENT
Trump proclaims himself the law and order president, said we need more police officers and we need to get tougher on crime, then repeatedly attacks Joe Biden for sponsoring the 94 crime bill which put 100,000 more cops on the streets and harshness sentences = INCOHERENT
Trump begins his campaign calling Mexicans rapists and calling for the ban of Muslims, then proclaims himself the least racist president ever. = INCOHERENT
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@Wylted
True Republicans are like Ron paul
Depends on what an R describes a "true R" to be. Face it, Rs are as fractured as Ds. Isn't that obvious?
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@oromagi
Can-do?
Nope. What I'm saying is a definitive, not a maybe: SloJo is a Cannot, absolutely. No questins about it, at all, and you you didn't hate Trump so much, you's realize that that is what Joe Biden is, even to Democrats who appraise him seriously: He is a not-Trump, not a positive Joe Biden.
Y0es, I've seen this apology from Politifact and CNBC. They are wrong. I have a professional sound studio, and I have run the sound of Biden's statement. He did not merely say, "I will be Joe Biden." there is a definitive, plosive "t" at the end of "be," before the "Joe," and all the apologies in the world from all the fawning media saying otherwise cannot erase what was actually said: A "t." I've said this, before, so blow your apologies. Did you miss it? That's on you. Joe Biden does not know who Joe Biden is, and my professional sound analysis, letter by letter, is all the evidence I need. Period.
Doctors say you should still get vaccinated even if you've already had COVID-19.
Appears the jury is still out on that claim.
Please show evidence that Biden and Harris complained that the vaccine is not effective
Please show evidence Biden says that vaccine should be mandatory.
"'A tough call’: Biden considering mandatory Covid vaccines for U.S. troops". https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/30/biden-covid-vaccines-troops-485099
fauxlaw concedes his prior inaccuracy when evaluating Biden's mental capacity.
Nope. fauxlaw has not conceded evaluation of Biden's mental capacity. fauxlaw has conceded that Biden's departure within six months was inaccurate. Let's read what I said, not what you think I said. That's half the problem I encounter. people misread what I say. Words mean things and I typically choose them carefully.
COHERENCE is "Unified; sticking together; Orderly, logical and consistent.
If you just want to gossip about people you don't like you should put it in the PEOPLE forum
Tell me if any of the above citations are gossip, or am I referencing your holy media?
But if Reagan were alive in 2020, does anybody really doubt he would have supported Biden before Trump?
A straw man argument since Reagan is not here to confirm one way or the other.
Actually national elections are determined by electoral votes counted at the State level
Those are your words, but the E.C. count at state level does not election a President. The President is not elected until the Senate completes its confirmation according to 3 U.S. Code § 15. Your statement is incomplete.
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@oromagi
Nope. I don't dream. I know exactly what media is, and is not. As the only private industry mentioned constitutionally, it has the role of balance, not of opinion. The latter is all CNN is.
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@oromagi
Actually national elections are determined by electoral votes counted at the State level
Nope. The only nation-level activity in the Presidential election, constitutionally, is when the Senators [House is also there, but plays no role unless the proceedings fail to confirm the election by the E.C.] meet, under the direction of the President of the Senate to confirm the E.C. State votes, by physical count. Article II, sec. 1, clause 3.
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@oromagi
Biden is the most Republican president since George H. W. Bush
Bush 41 was hardly a Republican. He was progressive in virtually every way. Biden? A Republican? That's an insult. Biden has no clue what he is.
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@oromagi
You don't seem to have any problem with his positions or plans.
Previous posts certainly cover that. Must I be so repetitive? Who is have coherency, let alone memory issues, now?
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@oromagi
Biden stumbles and flubs in extemporaneous speech a lot but I never have a problem with coherency.
stumbling and flubs are indicative of coherency? Just how low is your bar of coherence?
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@oromagi
6 months ago, fauxlaw was taking bets that Biden would resign due to senility and Kamala Harris take over by April 30
Am I not allowed to be wrong? I admit it's taking longer than I antitcipated, which just shows that whoever is running things is afraid to put Kammie in the seat, or Pelostomy. Real troubles on the horizon.
On the other hand, who is really running the White House, today? SloJo, on an official schedule of 5-to-6 hours a day? Just look at his official daily schedule.
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@oromagi
5 months ago, fauxlaw claimed that because Biden said he couldn't solve the pandemic for America, he must not be a can-do president. Now the pandemic is almost exclusively killing people who did not get vaccinated.
No, I did not make a question of whether or not SloJo is a can-do. There is no question; SloJo still said he will beat Joe Biden. Doesn't know who he is; how can he possibly be competent? And as for killing people, there are plenty who have had the virus, and survived with antibodies that science says is as good, if not better than being vaccinated, but those who used to complain [including SloJo, and Kammie] that the vaccine would not be effective, are now saying it must be mandated. What changed, other than their ill-informed opinions?
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@oromagi
4 months ago fauxlaw was complaining that Biden was avoiding the media.
He still is. Don Lemon and CNN have yet to prove they deserve the to be journalists.
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@oromagi
- Scientists expect COVID-19 vaccine for under 12's soon.
Which does not follow the science that children under0 12 have very low risk of consequences of exposure
- Biden re-iterates that nobody can get away with saying nothing happened on Jan 6th.
True, but who did nothing: Pelosi, who runs the Capital Police, and ignored their pleas for help.
- Biden agrees that filibuster is holding up voting rights and a relic of Jim Crow but worries that changing filibuster will end any hope of GOP cooperation
What voting rights are being held up? Fully eight amendments deal with voting rights, and the 1964 Cib=vil Rights Act officially, documentationally, by legislated statute and procedural policy, ended Jim Crow, so, what relic, other than by individual racism, which no policy or statute can control, other than by hope?
- Biden expects improved economic growth will overtake inflation in the short (a big promise that he needs to be able to demonstrate before mid-terms)
Big government spending on entitlements never has and never will yield economic growth, so SloJo's expectations be damned.
- Re-iterated that Central American immigrants should not come to US and said working hard to re-establish a process for legal migration broken by Trump.
SloJo telling illegal immigrants, from many more countries than just in Central America, is certainly slowing the flow from the southern border, isn't it? Trump's policy, which SloJo broke immediately upon taking office, did slow the flow, no it's as high as before Trump took office. You just don't like trying to limit illegal immigration. No, they do not deserve to be here. It's called illegal for a reason. Change the law if you don't like it. No, Democrats can't do that, can they?
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@oromagi
Yes, but as I pointed out, the city of Cincy went for Biden. Presidential elections are not national votes, and, in the case of specific local visits by Presidents, not even statewide votes.
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@oromagi
Considering who's asking softball questions, and who doesn't even know who he is, no, he did not do well. The broadcast [on video, so you're welcome to review it] speaks for itself. Why should I add to it?
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@FLRW
Yeah, I do care. I expect that an elected President be coherent. What Joe Biden is is not Joe Biden, but not-Donald Trump. Who wants a negative as a President? Democrats. Y'all did it. Time to justify why.
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Biden's Town Hall last night [7/21] on CNN was a joke from start to finish. 'Moderated' by Don Lemon, a very center-of-the-road guy [and pigs fly], and, in a Republican district [although Cincinnati, itself, voted for SloJo], the event was so well attended, it probably had every voter who legitimately voted for Biden. So, it was not well attended. At all. Not as if CNN, itself, showed the empty seats; more than most of them. Many more. Trump would have filled the auditorium, even as a post-election event. But then, CNN would never host Trump in such an event, even-handed news organization that it is.
Biden, of course, was Biden, if only he knew who that was.
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@FLRW
I know the history of Einstein, thanks. My father, as a PhD student at Yale, joined a small group from Yale to go to Princeton to meet him and discuss his work in 1939 [as if any of them had any insights for Einstein!], ten years before I was born. I've been regaled with stories of that four-day meeting for most of my life. Einstein, himself, related stories of his education, mostly being bored with what was taught, and my dad was never sure where reality ended and fantasy began. He thought Einstein was merely trying to relate to people on their level. My father's lasting impression was that Einstein was the loneliest man in the world for lack of anyone who could converse with him at his level. Genius has its disappointments
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@MarkWebberFan
Yes. Einstein, as a child student failing math is a good example. Either he was not motivated to learn, then or his teacher[s] failed miserably to motivate. Either way, he obviously had sufficient latent intelligence; more than most of us. Good thing it ended up being tapped.
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@RM
My argument is the same with such names of things created by low-level perception that results in the "mouse," a device that had its tail coming from the head, and now has no tail at all. Tech just has a poor reputation for meaningful additions to the lexicon.
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@janesix
Evolution has a natural, and a manipulated force of change, and it may not be exclusively a human phenomenon. Adaptation, a natural attribute, and innovation, an attribute of intelligence.
All of it is, I believe, part of the injunction we were given in the Garden; dominion of the Earth. This is also why I believe blaming God for everything; he did not retain dominion. He gave us that responsibility
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@Wylted
There are bad actors in any endeavor, but does not warrant painting all of them as assholes. Isn’t that similar to claiming all children are spoiled brats who don’t deserve to be loved because they act like assholes? Anyone can paint. Doesn’t mean they’re all talented.
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@Barney
That was a brilliant piece of analysis. Well done, sir
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Somebody is not motivated. It’s either the teacher or the student, or both, and that says nothing about latent intelligence.
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@Wylted
Any word such as currency (money) whose prefix is as ominous as crypto, which, etymologically (Greek) relates to an underground burial conrainer of the dead, or a hidden repository, does not bode well for currency, the which investment ought to be open, above “ground” and increasing in value as an investment. It’s not the money’s fault; it’s stupid use of language and faulty contribution to the lexicon. As a suggestion for investment, it’s not a good start.
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@3RU7AL
WHO DO YOU BLAME ?
You've missed five steps in your attempt to relate to creation and its consequences:
1. Your master programmer has not given an overall plan for intelligent creatures to understand their purpose in their creation.
2. Your master programmer has not acknowledged and allowed both good and evil to co-exist in his program.
3. Your master programmer has not given the intelligent creatures any instructions relative to their expected actions.
4. Your master programmer has not allowed the intelligent creatures free agency to choose between good and evil actions.
5. Your master programmer has not provided a meaningful plan for the intelligent creatures to overcome their mistakes.
Whereas, in the real world, the Earth, as created, God provided all five steps for the intelligent creatures he created, and it is all described within the first 3 chapters of Genesis.
Without these five steps, you blame the master programmer. With them, as was actually done, you blame the intelligent creatures for not following instructions.
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@zedvictor4
There's already 7.9 billion people clogging up this planet
Not sure what this has to do with the topic, but, whatever. I don't agree that 7.9B is too many people. We don't have a people population problem; we have a resources distribution problem, coupled with greed.
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@oromagi
Don't know if tagging this will alert you in your activities, so I've added this post to you.
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Just noticed your avatar change, and the use of the Tri-Coulour. Thanks; much appreciated. Also just noticed in your profile that your birthday corresponds to Apollo 11 landing on the moon. Cool! Happy birthday, tomorrow!
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@3RU7AL
PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WORLD
Why? Nice equation, but, clearly, the world is not perfect, and that says nothing for the condition of God. This is not his home. It's ours.
A PERFECT OMNISCIENT GOD CANNOT LEARN ANYTHING
Learning amounts to more than just learning facts, i.e., knowledge of stuff. Once we have knowledge, we learn the wisdom of using that knowledge to best benefit. Omniscience does not necessarily include that second step.
A PERFECT OMNIPOTENT GOD CANNOT BLAME OTHERS
More to the point, God, being perfect, need not blame anyone for anything. Laying blame is not the end and means of justice; that's just the beginning, and it is not necessary for God to do that. We handle that, ourselves, who are not perfect, yet. Consequences are God's to manage.
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@3RU7AL
This ignores the fact that God created all things with imperfection in order for those things to learn to be perfect by free will. Yours is the fallacy that an omnipotent God can only act by extreme omnipotence. Nope. He has free will, too.
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What's perfect?
A line. A plane. A circle. A square. The language of mathematics. The love of God. My choice to not smoke.
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@drlebronski
what if one just avoided the mess to begin with by thinking about the consequences of personal choice, because that is exactly what it is. Don't tell me some people are forced in to drugs. By whom? By people who choose to associate with people who have clearly made that lifestyle choice. Bad choice to join them in the first place. Sooner, or later, their bad choice catches up to them because of peer pressure. They've already demonstrated a weak backbone of resistance. I had to go through that, myself, and realized I'd made a bade choice of association, and ended it before I succumbed to that peer pressure. I value my values more than I value would-be friends.
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@Dr.Franklin
Like I said, stop whining. Why don't you make a town in Nebraska to compensate?
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@ebuc
Imagine an Earth so filled with resources, if only we would use them properly and without greed. It is, but we are not. There is enough and to spare if only we would stop being greedy about mine-mine-mine, and me-me-me. We don 't have a population problem. We have a resource management and distribution problem. The pity is, it doesn't have to be that way, but we're too dumb to realize that our resources can be managed and most are renewable if we gave them half a chance to do so. No, we must have it and consume now-now-now. That's plain stupid, but we'ere all addicted to consumption, and everyone else be damned. Wrong attitude.
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@Dr.Franklin
Paul Singer is worth about as much as Trump; a small-fry billionaire. I'm not even that, by a long shot, but I am prepared. So, Paul's buying up is not affecting everybody, and nobody who is, themselves, hedged reasonably well against inflation - anybody with enough wits to do what I did. I don't have a mortgage. I don't owe on any vehicle. I have food and supplies storage. I grow about 40% of my own food. Come on, stop whining because anybody can do this. It's called money management, building a revenue stream. I didn't use to have this stuff, but I made it a priority fifty years ago. I knew this idiocy would happen. How? I listened to my father. I listen to God. Yeah, the scriptures are full of warning, but they must be read and understood, then followed. I don't just believe in God as some distant figure who cares not a whit for me, personally. He cares because I do. I give 20% of my increase to charity, and also give my time. I read to children. I help neighbors with yard work and other stuff. I'm teaching to fish, so to speak. Those neighbors are at some distance because I live in a forest. But it's my time, isn't it? Look, stop running scared, complaining about the world around you. Take care of you and yours; you can then help others. That's the way it's supposed to work, Paul Singer or Joe Biden and inflation be damned. So things cost more than they did yesterday. Like I said, I don't buy a lot of stuff, anyway. He who has the most toys wins? Bullshyte. He who takes care of himself, then helps others wins. Every time, in the final analysis, which is nowhere near finished being done, yet. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Keep watching...
No, start making things happen. Anybody can watch and wonder...
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@Dr.Franklin
Well, all those issues are the predictable results of electing JoeBiden. Don't say I did have and offer sufficient warning. Not that I'm such a huge fan of Trump, but, economically, he was an effective president. A former successful business executive should have that knowledge, and Joe Biden, a career pol, may not even know who he is, anymore, let alone have econ saavy. Definitely not a step forward.
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