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@Goldtop
Unless of course, those who claim to experience God are lying, mistaken or delusional. Can any of them show they are not?
Like I said, there is no way to convince atheists. I rest my case.
The problem is not atheists or God, the problem is those who claim God but cannot demonstrate it. They are the problem.
I didn't say there was a problem. There is no problem. God has obviously decided to remain anonymous to some people. That's between you and God.
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I find it futile to argue with atheists on the existence of God.
Because unless they experience God for themselves, there is simply no way to convince them that God exists.
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@Mopac
it seemed you were trying to make that argument. If you were not, then I apologize.
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@Mopac
That's fine.
Although I am here to discuss, not debate atheists.
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@Mopac
No one is saying that except you, and no one is disputing that your straw man argument is stupid.
You are saying it. Not me.
But you are ignoring the definition regardless because you don't respect the dictionary as an authority when it comes to the defining of terms.
The dictionary is created by man. it isn't always correct.
When I say God, I mean the ultimate reality, and the dictionary backs me up.
So? Doesn't mean you, or the dictionary, are correct.
What is your argument along with every other theophobe? God can't exist no matter what.
I am not a theophobe, and God certainly exists.
Denying God is superstitious. You'd be better off confessing The Truth.
Denying God is normal behavior, when one doesn't see any proof for such a being.
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@EtrnlVw
I mean you do see the difference in considering the concept of God then say.....belief in a gnome right?
The God concept is more common, but there is still little proof of either.
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@EtrnlVw
The point I am making is it is silly to say something exists because it is in the dictionary.
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@Mopac
But does that mean they exist in reality?
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It looks like gnomes and leprechauns exist, they are in the dictionary.
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@Stephen
And what effect, if any, do you think the Precessional cycle might have on us here on Earth? Or the Earth itself?
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@Goldtop
I agree, I haven't found anything that is linked to the cycle of the Precession. Nothing solid anyway.
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@Mopac
No, I don't know what God is. I can make guesses, but they are only guesses.
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@Mopac
I don't base my beliefs on dictionary entries.
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@Mopac
I don't know what that's supposed to mean.
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@Mopac
But how are you convinced that the Earth is a planet?
I'm not.
I'm not convinced of much.
Anyway, than k you for answering my question.
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@Goldtop
So you are open to the idea that there could be "changes" that occur during different seasons during the Precession?
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@Mopac
You didn't answer my question.
How are you convinced that God is the Ultimate Reality?
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@Mopac
Why doubt?
How can I really be sure of anything? Especially when there is no solid proof?
How are you convinced that God is the Ultimate Reality?
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Do you think something important will happen with the coming of the new Age, the ending of Pisces and the beginning of Aquarius?
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@Mopac
I am not denying that God is the ultimate reality. I am claiming that I do not know if it is true. There is a big difference.
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@Mopac
Well, then you aren't actually respecting the concept. You are talking about something else when you use the word "God".
I don't claim to understand God. I can only make guesses based on my experiences, and from what I can research in terms of what appears to be creation. God could be the ultimate reality, and the creator of everything. I find it highly likely.
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@Mopac
Except for those who don't believe that that God is the ultimate reality.
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@Mopac
Thank you for your detailed response. I am always interested in other's beliefs and how they compare to my own.
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@Mopac
I am trying to figure out what you believe. I don't understand what you are saying. Perhaps that is my own fault, perhaps you are not being clear.
What is God to you? You say the Ultimate Reality. If you mean that God is everything, and includes everything, I can understand that. But I'm not sure if that's what you mean.
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@Mopac
I have tried to understand what you are talking about. I give up.
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@Mopac
It's not created.
what isn't created? The solar system?
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@Goldtop
I am not an astrophysicist. But I don't really have any reason to disbelieve the current theory of solar system creation.
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@Mopac
And you can tell the difference, how?
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@SkepticalOne
I think there is NO objective evidence for God, I wanted to make that clear. I think there is objective evidence for a created solar system, but that doesn't mean necessarily that God created it.
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@SkepticalOne
I think there is convincing evidence of a creator. But it only seems to be convincing for me,and not many others.
Do you think subjective experiences of god can be influenced by upbringing, indoctrination, or culture?
sure.
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@Mopac
still not sure what you mean by thatThe Supreme and Ultimate Reality is God.
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@SkepticalOne
I think it is a matter of personal experience. No God claims SHOULD be accepted as real, without personal experience, or without convincing evidence for each individual.
Sometimes people just believe in God due to growing up with it, and being indoctrinated. I think this is true in a good portion of cases, and I think geography proves this (because most people are members of the predominant religion of where they grew up).
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@Deb-8-a-bull
No . Strike 1
did it work? I don't think so....
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@ethang5
Maybe you are right. I don't know.
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I see some people have done it, but how? I can't figure it out.
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@ethang5
I wouldn't claim to know who God is. It is up to God to show me how much of himself He wants to reveal.
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@ethang5
I don't think there is anything "wrong" with atheists.
I think it is up to God to make a connection with someone.
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@ethang5
In what way is God obvious? Can you be specific?
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@ethang5
I am unsure what you are trying to get at. It seems like you are sort of agreeing with me that God is not obvious.
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@Mopac
I don't deny God. I am not an atheist.
However, God is still not obvious, something you have yet to even address. Give us specifics.
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@Mopac
God is not "obvious". Otherwise there would be no atheists. And there would probably only be one religion.
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@Mopac
So you are not going to answer the question? How is God obvious?
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